Nope! A trend does not apply to EVERY SINGLE SOUTHERN BAPTIST! Nike is a trend...does EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE wear nike? NOPE!

You're splitting hairs to hide behind.

You seem to have the wrong definition of "trend". It isn't absolute certainty, it is just a guess at what you will see. And from your reaction, es guessed quite well. :D Good job on your detective skills es!

This turned into a pi**ing match, well boys can p** further then girls because of the way are guns are aimed so HA HA :D

Es, Sputnik; LMAO

Just for the fun of it, why don't y'all get back to some semblance of a meaningful conversation?

What's with the high school level bitch fest? Seriously.

sorry DAD

Originally posted by mad dog
sorry DAD LOL mad dog, you're on a humor roll today bud.

Originally posted by eyeful
Just for the fun of it, why don't y'all get back to some semblance of a meaningful conversation?

What's with the high school level bitch fest? Seriously.

That's what I have been saying this WHOLE time!

More like when did this "New School Prayer" thread become a "personal struggles, accomplishments, and bragging rights by ugababe" thread.

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
More like when did this "New School Prayer" thread become a "personal struggles, accomplishments, and bragging rights by ugababe" thread.

What?! I do not have any personal struggles first of all and secondly the only reason I mentioned anything about my grades is because I was called stupid...I have not once bragged...I was simply defending myself and if you have a problem with that then don't call me stupid! I'm not the one who keeps bringing all this stuff BACK up...SO LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by ugababe117
What?! I do not have any personal struggles first of all and secondly the only reason I mentioned anything about my grades is because I was called stupid...I have not once bragged...I was simply defending myself and if you have a problem with that then don't call me stupid! I'm not the one who keeps bringing all this stuff BACK up...SO LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. I never called you stupid
2. talking about your grades, how you're in a sorority, and how you're graduating at the top of your class IS bragging
3. I'm not the one who brought anything up, you did
4. I think you're the one who needs to "let it go"

Nope! I only said I was graduating at the top of my class to prove that I wasn't stupid, and how in the world is saying I am in a sorortiy classified as any type of bragging?!!!!!!! I do believe you're the one who won't shut up about it...I am simply defending myself because EVERY SINGLE THING you have said about me has been COMPLETELY wrong! Now PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE just move on!!!!!!!!!!

Tell me, uga, do you stamp your feet when you type?

Originally posted by es347fan
Tell me, uga, do you stamp your feet when you type?

Tel me, eswhatever, do you ever step out of your 3rd grade mind set into the real world?

How I just love pushing whatever buttons I can find on an uptight, yuppette. It's almost to easy.

Ugababe

Are you wearing a red dress??? just wondering, there is the old saying, becarefull of the woman with the red dress on, she is really the devil.

I don't get you ugababe...if I'm the only one who won't shut up about it, how do you speak for es and mad dog? why don't you tell them to "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE just move on!!!!!!!!!!" Cause obviously, if es is 52 years old, and has even served in the military, he's out of this so-called "3rd grade mindset." Maybe its just a struggle for a valid argument...who's with me?

ES made me do it {running away now} :D

UGA comes across like a petulant, spoiled child. Trouble is, she's now claiming to be 22, and acting half that.
Real world?? I've forgotten more about the real world than you're going to learn. By the time I was your age, UGA, I'd spent 3 long years in a combat zone, was responsible for a few million dollars worth of military equipment and the personnel to go along with that equipment. Now, talk to me again about the real world.

I'm not gonna lie...I am extremely spoiled...I grew up having everything and you'll just have to deal with it. As for you being in the military...BIG FREAKIN' DEAL! My grandfather was in vietnam...not to mention I have had relatives die in the war.I know more about the real world than you think I do...I have been exposed to things you don't know a clue about! Trust me...you don't want me to tell you the stories I have heard...now do you want to talk about combat zones tough guy?!!!!!

YOU don't know shit from shinola. I was in and out of Viet Nam as a soldier before I was your age. You may have heard war stories on your grandpappy's knee, or even read some, good for you. I was there and saw it first hand.
Go back to your sorority sisters, child.

Originally posted by ugababe117
I'm not gonna lie...I am extremely spoiled...I grew up having everything and you'll just have to deal with it. As for you being in the military...BIG FREAKIN' DEAL! My grandfather was in vietnam...not to mention I have had relatives die in the war.I know more about the real world than you think I do...I have been exposed to things you don't know a clue about! Trust me...you don't want me to tell you the stories I have heard...now do you want to talk about combat zones tough guy?!!!!!

how can you be spoiled AND know about the real world? the two are almost always mutually exclusive, and from the way you've been talking I think you live in a bit of a bubble. With the whole military thing: do you understand what it's like living with a draft? I don't think you do. I'm Israeli, and I have a cousin doing things there that he can't talk about over the phone. THAT's the real world, not knowing whether people you love are going to make it through the next few years, the constant threat of rockets falling on your house, your mom almost getting blown up by a suicide bomber. There's no way on earth you can understand the feeling of having to go through bomb drills in school and being issued gas masks by the governemnt just in case your country goes to war. You come from a very priveleged enviornment, and there's no way in hell that you can understand the things you claim to. there's a whole world out there totally out of your grasp, which is not your fault, but acting self righteous and pretending to know things you don't is all your own doing. Uga, you need to learn to live with the fact that you aren't always going to be the noe who knows the most about everything. get over yourself.

Originally posted by ugababe117
I'm not gonna lie...I am extremely spoiled...I grew up having everything and you'll just have to deal with it. As for you being in the military...BIG FREAKIN' DEAL! My grandfather was in vietnam...not to mention I have had relatives die in the war.I know more about the real world than you think I do...I have been exposed to things you don't know a clue about! Trust me...you don't want me to tell you the stories I have heard...now do you want to talk about combat zones tough guy?!!!!!
Ignorant, spoiled bitch.

Wow, your grandpa was in Nam. Were you? No. Do you know anything about the real world? Obviously not, if you thinking having a vet for a grandpa makes you an expert on the real world. Stories don't make you tougher than an actual, real life vet either.

MY DAD WAS IN THE PENTAGON ON 9/11...NOW WHO DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THE REAL WORLD?! I didn't know if my dad was okay, or even alive...don't talk shit to me about not knowing the real world...I know it more than any of you can imagine.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
how can you be spoiled AND know about the real world? the two are almost always mutually exclusive, and from the way you've been talking I think you live in a bit of a bubble. With the whole military thing: do you understand what it's like living with a draft? I don't think you do. I'm Israeli, and I have a cousin doing things there that he can't talk about over the phone. THAT's the real world, not knowing whether people you love are going to make it through the next few years, the constant threat of rockets falling on your house, your mom almost getting blown up by a suicide bomber. There's no way on earth you can understand the feeling of having to go through bomb drills in school and being issued gas masks by the governemnt just in case your country goes to war. You come from a very priveleged enviornment, and there's no way in hell that you can understand the things you claim to. there's a whole world out there totally out of your grasp, which is not your fault, but acting self righteous and pretending to know things you don't is all your own doing. Uga, you need to learn to live with the fact that you aren't always going to be the noe who knows the most about everything. get over yourself.

ok, let me start...hun you are 14 years old...DO NOT talk to me about stuff you don't know jack about! I've given you plenty of warnings!

Originally posted by ugababe117
MY DAD WAS IN THE PENTAGON ON 9/11...NOW WHO DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THE REAL WORLD?! I didn't know if my dad was okay, or even alive...don't talk shit to me about not knowing the real world...I know it more than any of you can imagine.


ok, let me start...hun you are 14 years old...DO NOT talk to me about stuff you don't know jack about! I've given you plenty of warnings!

Everyone has different experiences in life and even two people who share the same experience come away from that experience changed in different ways. Ugababe, I'm sorry your dad was in the Pentagon on 9/11...I hope he's OK. Whammybar I hope your cousin is OK.

Both of you have had different experiences in life but that doesn't make one set of experiences valid and the other not. No doubt you have both experienced the "real world' in one form or another. Trying to determine who has had more "real" experience is fultile. Age is not a factor but your willingness to learn and grow from that experience is.

Good judgement comes from experience.

Experience?...well...that comes from bad judgement.

UGA, I don't believe a word you're saying.

Originally posted by es347fan
UGA, I don't believe a word you're saying.

It's people like you that make me want to throw up...you have NO respect when it comes to things like this...I really don't give a damn if you believe me or not...you're some 60 year old perv on the internet...I DON'T BELIEVE A WORD YOU'RE SAYING LOL!

What are you trying to prove with your stories of you dad being in the pentagon and your grandfather telling you stories? That you are educated on real world matters? You may well be, but in that case. I am just as educated as you are about war and viet nam, because I have heard first hand accounts myself. That does not mean I know what it was like there and I will not pretend that I know what it felt like. You shouldn't either.

Frankly I don't know why I talk to you with respect at all considering the incessant disrespect you have shown everyone here. Consider that you will be treated as a child, not because of your age, but because you act like one.

Originally posted by ugababe117
I really don't give a damn if you believe me or not...you're some 60 year old perv on the internet...I DON'T BELIEVE A WORD YOU'RE SAYING LOL! Perv? I've rarely even read an indecent remark posted by ES. He doesnt need me to fight his fights but in this case i felt it neccessary to tell you that you are one incredibly stupid person.

As far as whether you believe ES or not. I doubt you have one person who posts here who actually takes anything you say seriously. You're just some dumb ass trying to make people believe you matter. You dont, get over it.

and the score now stands at:

regular, mature, non bitchy human beings: 1,856, 973
ugababe117: 0

Geez....what a drama queen. Anyone care to place bets on just when she might mature?

UGA, I'm sure you've gained plenty of personal experience with perverts disguised as fraternity members & sorority sisters. Maybe your entire social circle is made up of them. Mores the pity.

However, child, I don't fit the bill, neither as a 60 yr old, or as a pervert. Take a good look in the mirror - perhaps you'll spot one there.

lol wow, i have never read so many lame/stupid comments in my LIFE...first let me say sputnik you are 14 hun...I don't listen to you lol...es...you are 52 years old talking to 22 year old girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The whole trying to call me immature has gotten REAL old...obviously I am extremely mature to juggle everything I am right now in life...I'm always right...I'm mature when I need to be...and I really thought talking on one of these chat boards would be cool but was I WAY wrong...it's just a bunch of lame people who have NOTHING to do...so they argue with the person who has a life and a good one at that! I couldn't relate to any one of you in any way...I'm on a completely higher level here!!! nuff said...

Originally posted by ugababe117
l...I'm always right...I'm mature when I need to be...and I really thought talking on one of these chat boards would be cool but was I WAY wrong...nuff said...

hmmm...always right and WAY wrong...nuff said indeed

Lucky this is in the religion thread.

"I never told my religion nor scrutinize that of another. I never attempted to make a convert nor wished to change another's creed. I have judged of others' religion by their lives, for it is from our lives and not from our words that our religion must be read. By the same test must the world judge me."
Thomas Jefferson
(this is probably the corniest post I will ever make)

Come on, Blib, don't even bother wasting your posts on this flamewar, especially when one of them don't even know she's beat.

uga, give it up. no matter what you claim to have gone through in life, no one on this board is going to take you seriously after all of your immature behaviour. you say your'e spoiled rotten, and you act like it. no one wnats to deal with a bitchy sorority sister. if you really think we have no life, then leave us alone, and go talk to people who do.

Come on, Blib, don't even bother wasting your posts on this flamewar, especially when one of them don't even know she's beat.
I tried not to. But then I came across my quotes again, and I thought that one looked like it would fit in, I liked it, but could never find someplace to put it, I did now. Maybe somebody could just lock this thread...

Whammy, you're not helping.

Wow, a couple days of absense to the boards and I miss all this???

Uga, judging who people are just because she feels that they are classified in that way? Saying that those who are younger than her are literally incompetent so she does not talk to them. Those who are older are somehow sick pervs on the internet, so she does not talk to them, filling our minds with conceited bitchiness and self righteousness? This all coming from the same person who considers herself to be a true avid follower of the bible and religion? It's almost funny that we're witnessing the virtual and actual breakdown of an AFN member and i guess no one's gonna try to stop it.

By the way, upon reading the other posts, my guess at the age of ugababe's final stage of maturity.....never.

I think Ugababe is hot{just look at the name} I like the way she is telling you all off. :D :D :D ........I think I just split my side :D :D ES, you old pervy :D :D :D

Originally posted by mad dog
I think Ugababe is hot{just look at the name} I like the way she is telling you all off. :D :D :D ........I think I just split my side :D :D ES, you old pervy :D :D :D
Hey if es is a perv then just think of what my 85-year-old great-grandparents (who I talk to often) are!!!
Originally posted by Blibblob
I tried not to. But then I came across my quotes again, and I thought that one looked like it would fit in, I liked it, but could never find someplace to put it, I did now. Maybe somebody could just lock this thread...
Moderator's decision: Flame on! :D

Originally posted by HaVoK
There is a big difference between something being "forced on children" and simply exposing somthing to children. Besides, IMO, if you have to force something on people, the product you're selling must not be very good. Whereas, i believe, that once children are exposed to love and kindness, they will always want to have it in their life. Simply teaching children right and wrong is not the answer IMO. We have to show them they are loved and they matter as well. And for me, when i think of religion, i think of love. If there is another way to show these children love and self respect that doesnt require religion then im all for that as well. Because my God would rather remain anonymous and the world be filled with love than to have everyone on the planet worship him and the world be as it is today. Hope my rambling made a little sense to people who read this.

If our society was truly worshipping the Lord, it would not be such a mess. If people were sincere about God, they would also desire to live by His principles and willing do what is right and love one another.

Unfortunalety, there isn't too much love in this world. At least not true love. If people had jesus in their hearts, there would be love for others and respect for others.

Originally posted by Blibblob
[B]Havok, everytime I protest religion in schools it is protesting the teaching that there is a god. When I went to a Catholic school for 2nd grade(curse my grandparents), when we had our spirituality lesson, it wasn't about loving one another, it was about how god exists, why you should obey god,

Obeying God deffenitely includes loving one another and doing what is right towards others. Jesus loves everyone and everyone equally. We should also love others. That is pure obediance to the will of the Lord.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
wow. that's so biased it's not even funny. I'm an athiest, and it took years of thinking and questioning to get to the poiint where I felt totally certain that theyre isn't a god. and somehow I don't go around telling people who do beleive in god that they are unrealistic.

I used to wonder if God was really real. He showed me that He was. He revealed Himself to me. God would reveal Himself to someone if they realy wanted to know that He is real.

You feel certain that there isn't a God, but you obviously cannot be absolutely sure of that.

Originally posted by the J Man
I used to wonder if God was really real. He showed me that He was. He revealed Himself to me. God would reveal Himself to someone if they realy wanted to know that He is real.

You feel certain that there isn't a God, but you obviously cannot be absolutely sure of that.
Yet one can be absolutely sure there is one? Bullshit.
Unfortunalety, there isn't too much love in this world. At least not true love. If people had jesus in their hearts, there would be love for others and respect for others.
Actually, being a Christian does not automatically grant people respect and love for others. Plenty of hate-filled, "Christians" out there. And plenty of non-Christians who have as much love and respect for people as the truly good Christians.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Actually, being a Christian does not automatically grant people respect and love for others. Plenty of hate-filled, "Christians" out there. And plenty of non-Christians who have as much love and respect for people as the truly good Christians.

I think you are confusing what it is to be a Christian and what it is to say you are a Christian.

A person who is full of hate is not a Christian....or at the least is a backsliding Christian, who needs to pray for forgivness and move past this.

If one truly is a Christian, he will not have hate for others.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I think you are confusing what it is to be a Christian and what it is to say you are a Christian.

A person who is full of hate is not a Christian....or at the least is a backsliding Christian, who needs to pray for forgivness and move past this.

If one truly is a Christian, he will not have hate for others.
That's why I put "Christians" in quotes and added the qualifier "truly good" in the final sentence.

You also said being a christian (no quotations) does not automatically grant someone love for another...which may be true, but as a Christian, we are commanded to, and we should ask the lord to help us do just that.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Yet one can be absolutely sure there is one? Bullshit.

Sure I can be absolutely sutre that there is a God. He has proven to me that He is real. He has delivered me and others from many things. I wouldn't still be in the church after 8 years if God was not real.

Actually, being a Christian does not automatically grant people respect and love for others. Plenty of hate-filled, "Christians" out there. And plenty of non-Christians who have as much love and respect for people as the truly good Christians.

If someone has truly and genuinely accepted Jesus, than they wouldn't be hate filled because they would have God's Spirit in them. They would love others if they truly have Christ in them. There is a difference between someone who is a christian and someone who just pretends to be one. Calling oneself a christian does not make that person a christian.

Absolutely.

Another excellent post J-Man.

Originally posted by the J Man
Sure I can be absolutely sutre that there is a God. He has proven to me that He is real. He has delivered me and others from many things. I wouldn't still be in the church after 8 years if God was not real.
Proven? How? Did he walk up to you one day, shake your hand, introduce himself, then float back up to heaven?

As for you, Jere, if you have nothing substantial to say please do not pad your post count with meaningless "I AGREEZ0RZ!!!" posts.

Oh, c'mon Borg. You know we Christians are outnumbered, we need the support, lol.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Oh, c'mon Borg. You know we Christians are outnumbered, we need the support, lol.

The Holy Spirit always gives me the words to say. It makes no difference if we are outnumbered. The word of God never comes back void.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
[B]Proven? How? Did he walk up to you one day, shake your hand, introduce himself, then float back up to heaven?

Oh no, God's ways are so much better and life changing than that! Im would never come on here and lie to you. There was a time when my lower back was in pain and there was no way that medical treatment or therapy was going to heal my injured back. But the Lord healed me instantly one night at a "deliverance teaching" service. My whole back was re-aligned and the apin was totally gone.

I could go on and on about what the Lord has brought me through. The Lord delivered me from depression, anger, sucidal thoughts, and there are people of God who are int he prophetic ministry that have prophecied life to others and the Lord has delviered many through that.

There are drug addicts, alcoholics and gambling addicts who have been instantly delivered from addcition that were destroying their lives. There has been people who have been healed from incurabke diseases and infirmites. In the name of Jesus, God's people have the power to destroy satan's works. In the name of Jesus, they can be healed and delivered.

The Lord Jesus Christ has shown me how real He is. If you went to a Holy Spirit filled church, you would surely see the power of God. After a few times going there, you would "never" be able to deny that Jesus is Lord and that God exists. Again, all that I told you, I would never come on here and just make this up.

Originally posted by the J Man
The Lord Jesus Christ has shown me how real He is. If you went to a Holy Spirit filled church, you would surely see the power of God. After a few times going there, you would "never" be able to deny that Jesus is Lord and that God exists. Again, all that I told you, I would never come on here and just make this up.
I've been to church many times and I used to be a Christian. Prayed regularly, all that jazz. And today, I deny that a deity exists...

What does that say though Borg? Just because you went to church and prayed, and now dont believe, is that any sign that theres no God?

Well now that we know this about you, Borg, I'd just like to know what made you suddenly give up christianity?

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
What does that say though Borg? Just because you went to church and prayed, and now dont believe, is that any sign that theres no God?
Merely contradicts J's statement that by going to church, one would never be able to disbelieve in God.
Originally posted by silverbulletkc
Well now that we know this about you, Borg, I'd just like to know what made you suddenly give up christianity?
Lots of internal reflection, the feeling that my prayers did absolutely nothing, the logical perfection of agnosticism, and a dash of my-Christian-relatives-ostracized-my-lesbian-mother thrown in for flavor.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Merely contradicts J's statement that by going to church, one would never be able to disbelieve in God.



He said a holy spirit filled church. The fact that your relatives treated your mother badly is a red flag that you were not surrounded by the greatest bunch of Christians.

Okay. I must point out one thing that drives me NUTS and I hear it ALL THE TIME.

Almost any time I've ever been involved with or witnessed a debate about Christianity, the person who doesn't believe in Christ gave this reason:

"I knew this guy who was a Christian and he was mean, and he did this and he said that, blah blah blah."

When Christians commit sins, this should in NO WAY be seen as proof that their doctrine is incorrect. Just because some Christian does something mean, you're going to discount their religion? Give me a break.

Borg, suppose I hold up Darwin's book on evolution and say it is the basis of my religious faith and I think it's inspired by God. Then I go out and kill someone. Are you then going to say that Darwin's book is hogwash? No, because his book did not tell me to do this.

So my question is - why does Christian SIN make you disbelieve a book that SHUNS these sins? Doesn't make sense. I mean, if you say "I don't believe because I just don't feel like I have a reason to," that is perfectly acceptable to me, but saying "I don't believe because this Christian called me a name" is ridiculous.

I think there are simple solutions to this....

If you want Christian values included in your child's curiculum, there are plenty of private christian schools, and if you don't want them to be surrounded by kids dressed like freaks, I am sure these schools also have strict dress codes, or even better, uniforms.....

The Lord delivered me from depression, anger, sucidal thoughts, There are drug addicts, alcoholics and gambling addicts who have been instantly delivered from addcition that were destroying their lives.

You know? The Creator saved me from many of these things, by allowing me to choose the right path. I am not a Christian nor do I believe Jesus is Lord. Which goes to say he steps outside of Christianity to help grateful people.

I have had many deep spiritual epiphanies in my life, all leading me to a better path and none of them involve Jesus Christ.

God doesn't only help Christians, but he helps everyone, regardless of Religious boundaries.....just thought you might like to know....

You say the good things in your life were not caused by Christ...but then go on to say that they were by God.

Incase you dont know, God and Jesus are part of Trinity.

When you say that God has done things for you, but Christ hasnt, you are contradicting yourself.

You say the good things in your life were not caused by Christ...but then go on to say that they were by God.

yes



Incase you dont know, God and Jesus are part of Trinity.

In your religion maybe.......we don't have a Trinity.



When you say that God has done things for you, but Christ hasnt, you are contradicting yourself.

No I am contradicting you.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I've been to church many times and I used to be a Christian. Prayed regularly, all that jazz. And today, I deny that a deity exists...

Unfortuanelty, some churches are not walking the way they are supoposed to be. 2ndTimothy3:5 mentions people who haev a form of Godliness, but deny the power thereof. That represents many christians.

It is important when praying that you have faith when prayer and you don't doubt God. Hebrews11:6 says-Without faith it is impossible to please God" for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewrder of those who dilligently seek Him.

John15:7 says- If you abide in me(Jesus), and my Words abide in you, youshall ask waht you will, and it will be done unto you.

That scripture is saying that we must abide in Him and his Word to abide in us. In other words, we must live the life that God has called us to. Yes, no-one is perfect, but He does expect us to live in righteousness and truth. If yuo want the fullness of God in your life, it is important to live a Godly life, not just pray.

Psalms84:11 says- no good thing will the Lord uphold from those who walk upright.

Again, we must walk upright if we want God to bless us with good things.

John14:14-If you ask anythin in My name, I will do it

In John14:14, it makes mention that we must ask in the name of Jesus.

Matthew6:33 says- But seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all it's righteousness; and these things shall be added unto you.


We must seek the Lord face in order for Him to give us His hand. It's not just praying, but it is seeking the Lord and living in righteousness that gets us our prayers answered.

Again, if you were to go to a Holy Spirit filled church you would see the power of God. Not just any church, but a church that walks with God and belives in the power of God.

Originally posted by creetwins
I think there are simple solutions to this....

If you want Christian values included in your child's curiculum, there are plenty of private christian schools, and if you don't want them to be surrounded by kids dressed like freaks, I am sure these schools also have strict dress codes, or even better, uniforms.....

It's not about how you dress that matter's, but it is what is inside a person's heart that matters. If society is without christian values and not having the Lord in their hearts than this society will continue to be a mess and filled with calamity. A life without God is liek a car without a steering wheel. You may get a little ways, but eventually you will crash.

About people being freaks, Jesus cares about them too.

Creetwins,

If you have no trouble believing in that a God has been good to you and has blessed you, what leads you to think that Christ hasnt, or worse, that he doesnt exist?

What evidence tells you that Christ doesnt exist? Obviously, hes working in your life, because you notice it, and miserly brush it off as just the acts of just some God.

It's not about how you dress that matter's, but it is what is inside a person's heart that matters. If society is without christian values and not having the Lord in their hearts than this society will continue to be a mess and filled with calamity.

It is not prudent to impose Christian beliefs in a public school. The people on my street for example. My Persian next door neighbours, the Chinese next door, and the Sikhs across the street all send their Children to the same school.

In a society of many faiths, the public school system is not a place to inject one system of beliefs, it is just not realistic, and not sensitive to those of other cultures. Why is this so hard for some people to get?



If you have no trouble believing in that a God has been good to you and has blessed you, what leads you to think that Christ hasnt, or worse, that he doesnt exist?

What evidence tells you that Christ doesnt exist? Obviously, hes working in your life, because you notice it, and miserly brush it off as just the acts of just some God.
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You need to understand that your religion is only that to some people, a set of beliefs. I have a set of beliefs, I believe in the Creator, I go to ceremonies, and attend gatherings where I have felt the presence of the Spirit. The same feeling you get when you go to your Spirit filled churches. God has many forms and speaks to many people Christian and non, but you believe he only favors people of your faith. I am here to tell you you are wrong.

You are a very poor jumper to conclusions. I have never implied that God only loves Christians, nor do I believe it.

God loves us all.

Originally posted by creetwins




You need to understand that your religion is only that to some people, a set of beliefs. I have a set of beliefs, I believe in the Creator, I go to ceremonies, and attend gatherings where I have felt the presence of the Spirit. The same feeling you get when you go to your Spirit filled churches.

You have felt the presence of the Spirit? That there, you are admitiing to acknowledging the reality of God. If God didn't exist, yuo wouldn't fell anything. I sure do get that when going to Holy Spirit filled churches. It's an awesome feeling.

but you believe he only favors people of your faith. I am here to tell you you are wrong. [/B]

God favors those who homor Him and acknowledge Him and those who live by His righteous principles. Those who live Godly, can find favor with God.

God does love every person and every person equally. No matter what you have done in your life, He loves you sincerely.

J-Man...I think you may be setting a kind of bad tone when talking about holy spirit filled churches.

Now I agree with you and understand what you are saying, but others may and probably do not fully understand the concept, and the idea may seem strange and too particular.

You have felt the presence of the Spirit? That there, you are admitiing to acknowledging the reality of God. If God didn't exist, yuo wouldn't fell anything. I sure do get that when going to Holy Spirit filled churches. It's an awesome feeling.

Yes I have. ANd it was not in a Christian setting......I don't think I have disputed the existance of the Creator.........I only mean to say he doesn't only present himslef in a Christian setting.

God favors those who homor Him and acknowledge Him and those who live by His righteous principles. Those who live Godly, can find favor with God.

I don't believe that exactly. My prayers have been answered, and in no way am I christian, or do I pray in the Christian way.

The bible says ask and it will be given to you, Creetwins. It does not say that you have to be a Christian to be loved ans appreciated by God, but you are sinning against God by not believing in Christ, and sin, God hates.

The bible says ask and it will be given to you, Creetwins. It does not say that you have to be a Christian to be loved ans appreciated by God, but you are sinning against God by not believing in Christ, and sin, God hates.

So basically the message I get out of that is that God must hate me then. You believe that because I do not worship in your way, which I think is rude of you to insinuate. Typical..............

I have experienced it differently, in no way has god led me to believe I am on the wrong path. I am blessed beyond belief, and have been allowed to survive.

Originally posted by creetwins




I don't believe that exactly. My prayers have been answered, and in no way am I christian, or do I pray in the Christian way. [/B]

God is a very merciful God. I just hope that oneday, you'll see Him for who He is.

Originally posted by creetwins
So basically the message I get out of that is that God must hate me then. You believe that because I do not worship in your way, which I think is rude of you to insinuate. Typical..............

Like I said, you are not very talented at jumping too conclusions. God does not hate you. He hates sin. God loves you enough that he sent his son to die on a cross so that we can be forgiven of that sin.

Originally posted by creetwins
I have experienced it differently, in no way has god led me to believe I am on the wrong path. I am blessed beyond belief, and have been allowed to survive.

We serve a generous and loving God. He is not going to withold every blessing from you, but at the same time, you are not living for him in your full potential.

He is not going to withold every blessing from you, but at the same time, you are not living for him in your full potential.

Shut up, you are not living up to your full mental potential.

I am not criticizing you for your beliefs, don't try and tell me which potential I have or have not reached, I hardly consider you an expert.

I just hope that oneday, you'll see Him for who He is.

Who's to say I'm not.....There is no guarantee that your ways are the only way, only you believe that.

Originally posted by creetwins
Shut up, you are not living up to your full mental potential.

I am not criticizing you for your beliefs, don't try and tell me which potential I have or have not reached, I hardly consider you an expert.
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I mean, you are not living according to God's word, which keeps you from recieving even more blessings from God.

You don't speak for God, Jere.

Very True Borg. The Bible does, however.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Very True Borg. The Bible does, however.

Considering that you have admitted to having only a passing familiarity about what the Bible says, aren't you a rather poor spokesman for Gods word?

That is your opinion Pagan, and as of yet, you have not showed me you have anything other than an bias one.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
That is your opinion Pagan, and as of yet, you have not showed me you have anything other than an bias one.

I'm biased and so are you. The difference is that when I talk about the Bible, I'm speaking about something that I have some knowledge of. You have admitted that you don't know the bible very well, yet you insist that everything in it is true. The only "truth" you can say about the Bible is that you don't even know the subject very well. This makes you a poor advocate. You are much better at playing the "put my name on every thread" game than you are at speaking intelligently about the Bible. It's absolutely amazing that you feel qualified to tell people who do know the Bible better than you, and who have much more life experience, that they are wrong for what they believe, and then you suggest what they should do better. You know nothing.

Youre entire post is a huge mislead. I told you that I do not know as much about the bible as I should. In other words, I wasnt, and probabaly still not, doing enough reading on the bible. As much as God would like me to anyway.

I do not speak these things because I am just trying to tell someone they are wrong, I do it because I care about each person, and I am doing my part to spread the word of God.

I feel extrodinarily lucky to have the opportunity to spread the good word of Christ through this means, and I have seen somewhat of a coming around in a few people.

If one person comes to accept Christ, and makes it to Heaven, based on my "playing the name on post" game, than my life will be of some importance, and that fact, makes me proud to be doing what Im doing.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
The difference is that when I talk about the Bible, I'm speaking about something that I have some knowledge of.

It's one thing to have knowledge of it, but are you living by it? We are to be doers of the Word and not hearers only.

You have admitted that you don't know the bible very well,

If he has admitted to not knowing the bible very well, that is why it is imprtant for us to read the bible regularly so that we can get to know it very well. From what I see, Jerejere does know the Word of God well.

yet you insist that everything in it is true.

The Word of God "does not" lie. God is a God of truth. There is no untruth in Him.

It's absolutely amazing that you feel qualified to tell people who do know the Bible better than you, and who have much more life experience, that they are wrong for what they believe, and then you suggest what they should do better. You know nothing. [/B]

God doesn't call the qualified, He qualifies the called. If yuo have the desire to serve God and you have a heart for God and others, then there is no such thing as being qualified.

Also, revelation is more powrful than education and experience. If the Holy Sirit gives you revealtion, than it is correct. It is the Holy Spirit that gives us revelation of the Word of God if we desire to know God trhough His Word. You byno means have to be a biblical scholar to get revelation for God.

Thanks for the kind word J-Man.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Thanks for the kind word J-Man.

Keep on standing for the Word of God. Your dong an excellent job!

High Five! :rolleyes:

lol...your ok too creetwins.

*gives you a high five and chuckles to himself.*