Murders Committed or Ordered by God


Everyone except Noah and his family (Gen. 7:23)

3000 men (Ex. 32:27,8)

14,700 died (Num. 16:49)

Everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:24)

All the first-born in Egypt (Ex. 12:29)

10,000 Perizzites and Canaanites (Judges 1:4)

10,000 Moabites (Judges 1:4)

120,000 Midianites (Judges 8:10)

50,070 people of Bethshemesh ( I Samuel 6:19)

22,000 Syrians (II Samuel 8:5)

40,000+ Syrians (II Samuel 10:18)

70,000 people (II Samuel 24:15)

Every man in Edom (I Kings 11:15)

185,000 Assyrians in their sleep (II Kings 19:35)

500,000 men of Israel (II Chron. 13:16-20)

20,000 Edomites (II Chron. 28:11,12)

120,000 Judeans in one day (II Chron. 28:5,6)

75,500+ people (Esther 9:12-14)

100,000 Syrian footmen (I Kings 20: 28-30)

Hmmm... what an interesting yet silly question...the one that caught my eye was the one about killing 185,000 Assyrians in their sleep. Doesn't seem like cricket to me.

2 Kings 19
35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

Hmm....I guess it wasn't God that did the killing it was an angel. That's a heap o'smitin he did in one night. Quietly too it would seem.... I wonder how all the dead guys woke up in the morning to discover they were really corpses.....

you know what they say...ask a silly question...;)

Murder, on whose sense of morals and upon whose justifications?


"Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "why have you made me like this?
Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory"

Romans 9:18-23

I never read the bible, but here is what I think:

To try god will be problematic. In most monothiesm religions, certainly Christianity included, the god is supposedly the ulmate judge of everything. You will have two problems here charging god for murder, one is no being is above god, so god cannot be tried by anybody; second problem, since god makes up rules and standards and whatever values he pleases for men to follow, you wouldn't be able to try him for anything, god can declare that in such and such case his killing was okay, and therefore you have no ground on which to charge god.

Of course, there is another problem if you managed to try god. Since he is by definition all powerful, he 1. wouldn't lose in a trial, he can control the result 2. if he willingly lose in a trial, any punishment can't hurt him

And there is the most likely result. You set up a trial, but god doesn't show up. Ask those athiests out there, and you will see.

It's a philosophical question you ask here.

Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
I never read the bible, but here is what I think:

To try god will be problematic. In most monothiesm religions, certainly Christianity included, the god is supposedly the ulmate judge of everything. You will have two problems here charging god for murder, one is no being is above god, so god cannot be tried by anybody; second problem, since god makes up rules and standards and whatever values he pleases for men to follow, you wouldn't be able to try him for anything, god can declare that in such and such case his killing was okay, and therefore you have no ground on which to charge god.

Of course, there is another problem if you managed to try god. Since he is by definition all powerful, he 1. wouldn't lose in a trial, he can control the result 2. if he willingly lose in a trial, any punishment can't hurt him

And there is the most likely result. You set up a trial, but god doesn't show up. Ask those athiests out there, and you will see.

It's a philosophical question you ask here.

Very good, Dio. :)

Where would you find a jury of his peers?

The creater kills his creation, is it murder or is he just destroying his toy? judge "God do you swear on the Bible that you will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?". God "yes". little boy in back ground "But God the Bible is your words?" God "yes, therefore I will not be lying".............God thinking to himself "stupid, stupid humans :) :) :D :D "

Originally posted by HaVoK
Where would you find a jury of his peers?

Let's see - Buddha, Vishnu, Zeus, etc.

If he was found guilty, where would we put him? Or if he was sentenced to death, then what? The holy hand grenade of Antioch?

Go ahead - try & get HIM into court. Probably won't look like George Burns or Morgan Freeman though.

God, the original Tony Soprano

I would like to shoot down one piece of Dio's logic.

You will have two problems here charging god for murder, one is no being is above god, so god cannot be tried by anybody

By your definition, my boss could not be tried by myself. The President of the US could not be tried by anything underneath the Supreme Court. But this is not the case. Rankings, "who is above who" is not a matter in the justice system we are familiar with.

Kar:

It's true. So that leaves the problem of what you can do to god once he's formally charged and convicted.

*crickets chirping*

Who would represent God in court ? I heard that the Devil has all the lawyers.:D

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Who would represent God in court ? I heard that the Devil has all the lawyers.:D
Probably the ACLJ...

Me :) Hugs and Love! acaveyogi

Id like to be there when he is sworn under oath.