first, the united states along with other countries who are willing to help kill afarat and all of his cronies then kill off the palenstinain army and also small terrorist groups(leave the civilians alone though). I know this is expensive and will probaly lead to a larger war maybe even world war 3. but do you think it may be worth a try?

Again the good old cowboy method. Kill the people who bother you and hope it will solve the problems.
By doing this you would only the opposite : more terrorists, more violence, more hatred.

1) It's not that easy to kill of terrorist groups, or it'd be done already.
2) I don't think the Palestinian army is the problem here.

Originally posted by depressedbutfun
first, the united states along with other countries who are willing to help kill afarat and all of his cronies then kill off the palenstinain army and also small terrorist groups(leave the civilians alone though). I know this is expensive and will probaly lead to a larger war maybe even world war 3. but do you think it may be worth a try?

How can you tell a terrorist from a civilian?

NO I don't think it's worth a try.

How can they 'not' kill civilians? Whenever killers kill the killers, it's hard to find the middle of the circle. Who's right or who's wrong? In other words, violence always lead to more violence.

Kill 'em all, let GOD sort it out. How's that?

More killing is hardly the solution. So long as the US guided by jewish lobbists runs the show the US is never going to have much credibility - and nobody else but the US can broker the peace.

Israel is not blameless but certainly so long as the sucide bombings continue there will be no end in sight. Israel has no choice but to demonstrate that terror will only lead to more repression and more hardship - it has to continue to prove that terror will never result in the aims the palestinians want. Only then will Hammas etc lose their appeal.

The average guy in the street always wants peace - its the radicals that never let the peace happen. Radicals on both sides, but sucidie bombings is by far the worst expression of radical views. The Israelies aim for specific targets the palestinians aim for civilians. It has to be very tempting for Isreal to completely destroy the palestinians - they could do it so so easily.

Originally posted by DrewM

Israel has no choice but to demonstrate that terror will only lead to more repression and more hardship - it has to continue to prove that terror will never result in the aims the palestinians want.


One could make the symetric statement : palestinians have no choice but to demonstrate that repression and hardship will only led to more terror. I think both are wrong.



The average guy in the street always wants peace - its the radicals that never let the peace happen. Radicals on both sides, but sucidie bombings is by far the worst expression of radical views. The Israelies aim for specific targets the palestinians aim for civilians. It has to be very tempting for Isreal to completely destroy the palestinians - they could do it so so easily.

Again I do not totally agree. Sure, radicals from both side are a major problem, but from what I have heard from both jewish and palestinian people , peace is too abstract. People have other priorities.

The average Isreali guy's priority is not peace, it is safety. If safety comes from peace then it is OK but if peace means more bombing they won't make peace. The average israeli says "why can't I go to the restaurant, why can't I send my kids to school without fearing a bombing ?"

The average palestinian guy's priority is justice and a "normal" life - their living conditions are so unfair they wil support any action to change them. Again, if peace is the solution, they will buy it, but they are not ready to accept a peaceful "status quo". They say "Why can't I have access to water for my field ? Why can't I travel to the next town to see my family or to work ?"

ES LMAO :D

Kill off one group this week and there will allways be another to take over. Humans will never agree 100% there will allways be this or that group. Lets have all the good people move to Mars :)

I'll not even pretend to offer a solution to this problem. Some of the greatest diplomats and world leaders have made repeated attempts during my entire lifetime and have come up empty handed. Arafat is a walking definition of "one who speaks with forked tongue", and he needs to go away. Rather than killing him and giving the Palestinians yet another martyr, I suggest a nice villa in the Carribean, fully staffed and completely cut off from the rest of the world. The Palestinians need leadership that is capable of making sound decisions. The same goes for the Israelis. One things for certain - there's no saints on either side.

Well, I'm going to pretend to offer a solution. I originally posted this on another thread but it is more appropriate here. I don't suggest this is a perfect solution or even that it would work but it does seem better to me than the solutions I've heard here.

The militant groups must continue to foment violence simply because when the violence stops they lose their status in palestinian society. They'll be out of a job. The palestinian people support them, because they offer hope to a people that has none. They also provide an outlet for the people's desire for revenge against Israeli aggression.

I absolutely support the use of military forces to stop the violence between Israel and the Palestinians, furthermore I believe it would be neccessary. The cycle of violence must be BROKEN, it will not stop on its own. To stop the violence it will be neccessary to prevent both palestinian bombers from entering Israel, and Israeli troops from entering the Palestinian state. This would not be easy, and would require a significant number of troops, ideally from the U.N.
Every person from palestine would have to be thouroughly searched before entering Israel, and the Israeli military would have to be convinced that any aggression against the palestinians would be met with military force. No small undertaking to be sure, but in my opinion it is the only way to stop the killing and begin the healing process. It would probably take years before these troops could be removed, maybe more than a generation.

I also realize it may not be possible to stop someone from sneaking into Israel and setting off a bomb, but we certainly could make these incidents a lot more rare, and I believe that if we offer meaningful aid and support to the Palestinians, the support for these militant groups would dry up over time.

Your suggestion is intersting - I agree that a third party should interfere to oblige both sides to calm down. But there are 2 problems :
- I think the USA and Israel will not accept the UN's intervention.
- and most of all, Israel and the palestinian territories are not two distinct countries. They are so close that it is nearly impoissible to separate them !

(look at this picture and do not forget the scale !!)

http://www.ranchgazette.com/intl/israel/map-clashes-2.gif

The wall seems like a good idea - steps to remove all hope for a solution that the palestinians would like - an incentive to act.

Israel is not strapping explosives onto soldiers and having them walk into crowded areas and blow themselves up. Whatever responses come from Isreal they are aimed at stopping the terrorists.

1 sucide bomb should result in massive retaliation - the palestinans have to see that sucide bombings will never achieve anything good - only then will they come to the table and renounce terror.

The Palestinians could have had peace already several times - only to see Arafat piss it away.

So long as people are strapping bombs on and exploding themselves - then that side has no right to anything except being completely wiped out.

I am sure 99% of the palestinians are good honest decent people - it's the radicals and their leadership that are pissing their future down the drain.

They should put a bullet in Arafats head. Sure the world would piss and moan for a few weeks but it would be better in the end.