I agree with Borg, there;s no way to know for sure, but I'm about as cetain as one can be without proof that a od doesn't exist. I find myself too certain to be an agnostic, and at the end of the day titales really don't matter, so I just call myself an athiest.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Probably died of laughter at your girlishly weak attempts to ward it off.
You have any idea what happened to the last guy who laughed at me? An animal would be no exception!

Civa, you’re right about atheists being confused individuals. I don’t hate them, I feel sorry for them. But hey, if they don’t want any help, what can you do? At least I can say that I TRIED to talk some sense into them.

Originally posted by Mopoloton


Civa, you’re right about atheists being confused individuals. I don’t hate them, I feel sorry for them. But hey, if they don’t want any help, what can you do? At least I can say that I TRIED to talk some sense into them.

how would you feel if I said I feel sorry for someone who devotes time in their life to god? becasue quite frankly, I do pity anyone who bothers.

Originally posted by Mopoloton

Civa, you’re right about atheists being confused individuals. I don’t hate them, I feel sorry for them. But hey, if they don’t want any help, what can you do? At least I can say that I TRIED to talk some sense into them.

Ok, Mopo...how about trying to talk some sense into me?

I don't expect you to accept the challenge , but hey, if you can convince me through logic that ONE seemingly miraculous occurence that is described in the Bible actually took place as described, I'll convert.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
You have any idea what happened to the last guy who laughed at me? An animal would be no exception!
No, enlighten us, please, Mopo.

Originally posted by mpoloton
You have any idea what happened to the last guy who laughed at me?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....nope, can't say that I do.

No, enlighten us, please, Mopo.
The old “smack on the ear” did the trick. Some guys can take a punch in the nose but nobody can take a smack on the ear.
I don't expect you to accept the challenge , but hey, if you can convince me through logic that ONE seemingly miraculous occurence that is described in the Bible actually took place as described, I'll convert.
Well, I explained in an earlier thread how it was entirely possible for the flood to take place. But hey, if you can think of another bible verse you want me to explain, let me hear it.

Originally posted by Mopoloton

Well, I explained in an earlier thread how it was entirely possible for the flood to take place. But hey, if you can think of another bible verse you want me to explain, let me hear it.

Hmmm...tough one... there are so many unexplainable verses in the Bible.

In Joshua 10, there is a story that has always intrigued me. Israel was involved with one of their many campaigns to butcher off the enemies of the Lord, and during one of these battles Joshua asks the Lord's assistance. The Lord assists Joshua by making the Sun and Moon stand still in the sky for a whole day, giving the Israelites plenty of light for their slaughtering.

Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

What would your explanation of this event be?

Well, some believe that God extended the hours of daylight for the Israelites to defeat their enemies. Others suggest that the sun remained cool (maybe because of an overcast sky) for an entire day, allowing the fighting to continue well into the afternoon. You have to remember that our version of the bible is a translation of the original. Certain scriptures, like this one, could have two or three different meanings.

Personally, I don’t find it difficult to believe that God delayed the sunset for a few hours by temporarily slowing the Earth’s rotation. Even now, there is one day of the year that is longer than the rest.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Personally, I don’t find it difficult to believe that God delayed the sunset for a few hours by temporarily slowing the Earth’s rotation. Even now, there is one day of the year that is longer than the rest.
That has nothing to do with the rotation of the Earth and everything to do with the tilt of the Earth in relation to the sun.

And if that happened, due to centrifugal force, the Earth would plummit towards the sun pulling the moon out of orbit and more than likely slingshotting it out into space. But of course it's a miracle.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
That has nothing to do with the rotation of the Earth and everything to do with the revolution of the Earth around the sun.

Actually Borg, the length of a day is dependent on the Earth's rotational speed, and the length of a year on the Earth revolving around the sun once every 365+ days.

So, if Earth’s orbit is never really perfect, it would be entirely possible to slow its rotation for one day without having any lasting effects (such as plummeting towards the sun and pulling the moon out of orbit or slingshoting it out into space).

An omnipotent being, if one exists, surely could. Anything that is not, however, could not possibly alter the Earth's rotation without some fantastic technology.

Is there any record of an elongated night in asian or native american religions?

If history books went back that far there would be.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
If history books went back that far there would be.
Funny. When I took history, they went back millions of years to when Homo sapiens did not exist. Sounds like they went back far enough.

Artificial light misunderstood as the suns light?

What artificial light? They didn't have flood lights back then. What exactly are you thinking of?

Sun flares don't go that far... plus, that'd be on the other side of the planet.

Sun flare with a full moon?
I'm attempting to find a rational reason.

If history books went back that far there would be.
What do history books have to do with religion? Religion was a spoken word thing.

Is there any record of an elongated night in asian or native american religions?

Blib

Well, Chinese traditional believes and folklores (which most scholars see as the "religion" of majority of Chinese, past and now [with moderations] , one which stays rooted deeply even when they actively follow an organized religion) described a bunch of such miracles. I am unable to think up any such actual historical occurance recorded, but in informal recordings such unexplainable things took place very often. The Chinese traditionally credits "The Sky" ('Tian') for all thing unexplainable. It is very close to Western concept of the most powerful diety, except in China it was never humanized. The all powerful being in traditional Chinese believes is a force of balance itself, constantly at work. It is very different from the emotional and highly humanized dieties in Greek religion/mythology. Also different from God in Judeo-Chrisitian believes. There are many lesser dieties in TCB, those are highly humanized and could directly interfere human activities or basically dwell in men's world. They usually act in accordance with Tian, but have interests of their own, like Greek gods.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Funny. When I took history, they went back millions of years to when Homo sapiens did not exist. Sounds like they went back far enough.
That was probably science class, and it was all theoretical. The history books go back as far as written records do.
Even today there is one day of the year (I can’t remember which day it is) that is longer than the rest. Maybe that was the day this battle took place.