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coberst
07-01-2008, 07:00 AM
Paradox: Narcissism is Necessary and Detrimental for Survival

The fetus resting in the womb is in a state of absolute narcissism. Freud says “By being born we have made the step from an absolute self-sufficient narcissism to the perception of a changing external world and the beginning of the discovery of objects.” The absolute self-narcissism is partially dissolved and divided with objects.

The “normal” person, in maturity, has made an apportionment of narcissistic energy between the self and the other in a manner that society finds acceptable.

Originally Freud’s view of narcissism was based on his concept of sexual libido wherein this psychic narcissistic energy was directed for sexual manifestations. This theory was later modified by Freud and was empathesized by Jung as an energy that binds the needs of the individual both internally and externally to fit the needs for survival. Highly charged energies create forces that motivate behavior for that organisms’ survival.

The comprehension of human behavior depends upon an understanding of these narcissistically energized forces.

Primary narcissism is the label given to this force accompanying the new born; wherein the only reality is the self, its body and its accompanying sensations associated with a need for sleep, bodily contact, warmth, thirst, and hunger.

Moral hypochondria is little different from physical hypochondria manifestations. “The narcissism underlying physical or moral hypochondriasis is the same as the narcissism of the vain person, except that it is less apparent, as such, to the untrained eye.” K. Abraham calls this negative narcissism and it is characterized by feelings of inadequacy, unreality, and self-accusation.

How do we recognize the individual with abnormal levels of narcissism? S/he shows all the signs of self-satisfaction, generally oblivious of others, very sensitive to criticism, little genuine interest in the outside world, and all of these characteristics are often hidden behind an attitude of modesty and humility.

Another important characteristic of some individuals is the association of certain aspects of their person that become objects of focused narcissism. They become very sensitive to any disagreement with their ideas, their honor, their house, their car, intelligence, or physical prowess. S/he will often seem to have fallen in love with all of their stuff.

“Speaking teleologically, we can say that nature had to endow man with a great amount of narcissism to enable him to do what is necessary for survival. This is true especially because nature has not endowed man with well-developed instincts such as the animal has…In man the instinctive apparatus has lost most of its efficacy—hence narcissism assumes a very necessary biological function…Narcissism is a passion the intensity of which in many individuals can only be compared with sexual drive and the desire to stay alive.”

Narcissism has an important function to perform—it is important for our survival. However, there is a serious down side. Extreme narcissism makes us indifferent to others and incapable of giving our personal needs second place to the needs of the community. Extreme narcissism is the opposite of empathy; it makes us asocial creatures unable to cooperate for the common good.

Another dangerous result of narcissism is that it distorts our ability to reason and to make good judgments. “Narcissistic value-judgment is prejudiced and biased. Usually this prejudice is rationalized in one form or another and the rationalization may be more or less deceptive according to the intelligence and sophistication of the person involved…If he were aware of the distorted nature of his narcissistic judgments, the results would not be so bad. He would—and could—take a humorous attitude toward his narcissistic bias. But this is rare.”

The narcissistic person reacts with great anger when criticized. S/he tends to take all criticism as a personal attack; this can be understood when we recognize that the extremely narcissistic person is unrelated to the world; s/he feels alone and frightened and these feelings lead to compensation by self-inflation. “When his narcissism is wounded he feels threatened in his whole existence…This fury is all the more intense because nothing can be done to diminish the threat by appropriate action; only destruction of the critic—or oneself—can save one from the threat to one’s narcissistic security.”

Depression is a means other than rage for struggling against a wounded narcissism. The narcissistic person uses the shield of self-inflation, acquiring a feeling of omniscient and omnipotent, to overcome the arrows of the outside world. The narcissistic person dreads the feeling associated with depression and one way to combat this alternative is to attempt to change reality in such a way as to conform to his self created image. This is done by associating with others in a dynamic of group narcissism.

This post is getting too long; I will close by saying that group narcissism represents the most dramatic phenomenon that leads to human destructiveness.

Ideas and quotes from “The Heart of Man” Erich Fromm

Napsterbater
07-01-2008, 07:15 AM
I think you're confusing "narcissism" with "solipsism."

Foolsworth
07-01-2008, 08:00 AM
I think you're confusing "narcissism" with "solipsism."

Well bless yer heart.At least you're making an attempt to engage
via a professional arena of ideas.In my Freud reader,much mention of
Narcissism exists,but nary a mention of yer Solipsism.
And I'm talkin 832 pages.
Narcissism results and is the result of many a psychosis.

Decka
07-01-2008, 01:08 PM
Wy are you quoting that cokehead Freud? LOL

coberst
07-01-2008, 01:14 PM
I think you're confusing "narcissism" with "solipsism."

I don't think so.

coberst
07-01-2008, 01:19 PM
Wy are you quoting that cokehead Freud? LOL

I quote Freud because he is, in my opinion on the level of greatness along side Newton and Darwin. Newton has provided us with the fundamental theories of objects, Freud has provided us with the fundamental theories of the psyche, and Darwin has provided us with the fundamental theories of biology.


I think that it is important to study this domain of knowledge to the extent that each of us has foundation knowledge about the human psyche. Psychology is not like the field of medicine that allows one to take blood samples in order to determine the chemical condition of the body. We must become more sophisticated in our knowledge of this very important domain of knowledge if we are ever to develop a comprehension of just why humans do the things we do.

Napsterbater
07-01-2008, 03:24 PM
Well bless yer heart.At least you're making an attempt to engage
via a professional arena of ideas.In my Freud reader,much mention of
Narcissism exists,but nary a mention of yer Solipsism.
And I'm talkin 832 pages.
Narcissism results and is the result of many a psychosis.
http://allforums.net/showthread.php?t=13956
Man, I can't believe I used to write like that!

Napsterbater
07-01-2008, 03:26 PM
I don't think so.
"The fetus resting in the womb is in a state of absolute narcissism." How in the world could you attribute narcissism to an infant? Infants evolved to act that way, whereas narcissism is a psychological phenomena. Solipsism would be the proper word here.

Foolsworth
07-02-2008, 08:35 PM
I quote Freud because he is, in my opinion on the level of greatness along side Newton and Darwin. Newton has provided us with the fundamental theories of objects, Freud has provided us with the fundamental theories of the psyche, and Darwin has provided us with the fundamental theories of biology.


I think that it is important to study this domain of knowledge to the extent that each of us has foundation knowledge about the human psyche. Psychology is not like the field of medicine that allows one to take blood samples in order to determine the chemical condition of the body. We must become more sophisticated in our knowledge of this very important domain of knowledge if we are ever to develop a comprehension of just why humans do the things we do.

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07-02-2008, 08:55 PM
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Foolsworth
07-02-2008, 08:58 PM
Foolie likes big butts!:banana:

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07-02-2008, 09:08 PM
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