http://youtube.com/watch?v=bXl4vMRocHk

nice video, but if they don't want to give GW a blank check, why to they want to give one to Iran?

nice video, but if they don't want to give GW a blank check, why to they want to give one to Iran?

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In light of what the video is about, I have no idea what would prompt such a comment by anyone.

A "blank check to Iran" ---

-- what the.....?!?!?!?!

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In light of what the video is about, I have no idea what would prompt such a comment by anyone.

A "blank check to Iran" ---

-- what the.....?!?!?!?!
"immediate, unconditional talks" ring a bell? maybe you should have watched it instead of just singing along with the soundtrack?

"immediate, unconditional talks" ring a bell?

Yes.

But "giving a blank check to Iran" does not ring a bell.

I still have no idea why the above video would prompt a ""blank check to Iran"" comment.

Yes.

But "giving a blank check to Iran" does not ring a bell.

I still have no idea why the above video would prompt a ""blank check to Iran"" comment.
well that is as much "giving a blank check" as we did with North Korea, and look where that got us:@@:

well that is as much "giving a blank check" as we did with North Korea, and look where that got us:@@:


I see. So you are by that suggesting that by simply talking to Iran, it will somehow lead to that country building --as North Korea did-- a nuclear weapon. Interesting assertion.

Bizarre. Irrational. Unfounded.

But interesting.

I see. So you are by that suggesting that by simply talking to Iran, it will somehow lead to that country building --as North Korea did-- a nuclear weapon. Interesting assertion.

Bizarre. Irrational. Unfounded.

But interesting.


and you think bargaining with a government controlled by people that want to end the world is a good thing? what do they have to gain?

and you think bargaining with a government controlled by people that want to end the world is a good thing?

Yes. Absolutely.

If we do not talk to them, but instead retain a belligerent and combative stance toward them they are certainly not going to change their stance, but if we talked to them, there is at least some chance of a meeting of the minds and/or of averting any supposed attempt they may make to "end the world". (Not that I agree with your contention that that is their aim.)

what do they have to gain?

?!?!?

Everything.

They have their continued existence on this planet to gain, as in their possibly averting this country's extreme right warmongering government from wiping them out with nuclear weapons, {of which America possesses around 10,000}, which is far, far more likely than the opposite; them wiping this nation out with nukes {of which Iran possesses zero}.

Everything.

They have their continued existence on this planet to gain, as in their possibly averting this country's extreme right warmongering government from wiping them out with nuclear weapons, {of which America possesses around 10,000}, which is far, far more likely than the opposite; them wiping this nation out with nukes {of which Iran possesses zero}.
you're missing the point. they don't want to continue their, or anyone else's existence. they aren't just content to let the world end, they want to help it along!:rolleyes:

Even the Bush admin gave in and talked to N Korea, which resulted in the dismantling of their enrichment plant. Why not "talk" with Iran? This Bush admin has you so brainwashed into thinking that talking is bad, because they just want to use military force!! Don't fall into the same trap. Don't believe me? Well listen to the former press secretary Scott McClellan.

We have been talking to iran, directly and thru various intermediaries for a number of years. The notion that we haven't is unfounded.

We have been talking to iran, directly and thru various intermediaries for a number of years. The notion that we haven't is unfounded.

Tell that to John McSame, who thinks it is a "radical" idea. :rolleyes:

Maybe US couldn't take strain keeping war in Iran. Actually, Could we say keeping war in Iraq without any strain? Hurricane Katrina, subprime loan, illegal immigrants, many matter is worried in domestic matter, but it seems that US doesn't enough resorce to them.

So, if US will retreat from Iraq, it may prevent Iran to continue nuclear nuclear development by two ways.
First, Iran will guess that US won't invade any state unilaterally.
Second, Iran will guess that US will have resource to declare war if Iran take unjust policy.

you're missing the point. they don't want to continue their, or anyone else's existence.

Riiiiiiiiight.

So......in a nation of 70,000,000 people, all of them are intent on committing suicide. They all "want the world to end", eh?

Those 70,000,000 people do not --according to you-- want to continue to live.

Yeah. Makes perfect sense. [/sarcasm]

Even for a rightwinger, that's a truly astounding (in its stupidity) statement.

....they aren't just content to let the world end, they want to help it along!

Again, even with the realization that we are dealing with a claim from the rightwing faction in America, it's impossible for me to believe that you --or any other human on this planet-- actually subscribes to the notion that the nation of Iraq is intent on committing suicide.

Tell that to John McSame, who thinks it is a "radical" idea. :rolleyes:

After you let obama know we're already talking to them.

After you let obama know we're already talking to them.

Let us know when the President sits down with them. :rolleyes:

Riiiiiiiiight.

So......in a nation of 70,000,000 people, all of them are intent on committing suicide. They all "want the world to end", eh?

Those 70,000,000 people do not --according to you-- want to continue to live.

Yeah. Makes perfect sense. [/sarcasm]

Even for a rightwinger, that's a truly astounding (in its stupidity) statement.

it only takes a few nuts in power to ruin it for everyone. see Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany, and Pol Pot's Cambodia.
The Twelvers also believe that the 13th Imam is hidden and he will return as the Mahdi to restore Islam as the dominant faith. This doctrine believes in an Islamic final days scenario. The President of Iran is a follower of this belief and he seems bent on hastening the Islamic 'end days', much like his fundamentalist Christian counterparts.
http://www.integralworld.net/harris23.html



Again, even with the realization that we are dealing with a claim from the rightwing faction in America, it's impossible for me to believe that you --or any other human on this planet-- actually subscribes to the notion that the nation of Iraq is intent on committing suicide.
Iran and Iraq aren't the same country.

it only takes a few nuts in power to ruin it for everyone. see Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany, and Pol Pot's Cambodia.

As well as America, under the rule of the Corporatists.

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I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.___________Woodrow Wilson