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Garry Denke
05-27-2008, 03:32 PM
The Gods
I believe in all the Gods (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=Woe+unto+us%21+who+shall+deliver+us+out+of+the+ hand+of+these+mighty+Gods%3F&restrict=All&size=First+100) of the Old Testament.
These are the Gods (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=these+are+the+Gods+that+smote+the+Egyptians+wit h+all+the+plagues+in+the+wilderness.&restrict=All&size=First+100) of King James Version.
But which Gods (http://www.godchecker.com/) do you guys believe in?
If any Gods (http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/gods.htm) of course. Thanks a lot!
G (http://www.garrydenke.com) :cool: (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=Ye+are+Gods&restrict=All&size=First+100)D (http://www.denocoinc.com)
afinertouch5
05-27-2008, 05:06 PM
None!
Decka
05-27-2008, 05:24 PM
not to threadjack.. but your avatar, afinertouch, makes no sense to me. Since it says "your".. I will look inward. How is the God that will give me eternal salvation, forgive me of my sins, and be the basis of my life my "worst enemy"? Care to elaborate?
Love2smile
05-27-2008, 06:53 PM
There is only one God. That's what I believe.
F. de Marzipan
05-28-2008, 09:43 AM
So says the followers of every religion. You can't all be right.
dharmabum
05-28-2008, 11:59 AM
1st commandment: "I am the lord thy God. You will put no other gods before me."
According to this, God herself told Moses that there are other gods, but that she should come first among gods.
Decka
05-28-2008, 01:23 PM
You can quote scripture... good job.
mikezila
05-28-2008, 05:40 PM
1st commandment:
According to this, God herself told Moses that there are other gods, but that she should come first among gods.
"no other" implies that there are other Gods.
Foolsworth
05-28-2008, 09:00 PM
In history,especially Greek Tragedy,the use of a god {small g }
or gods or demigod was of particular importance to give the
lesson or story notable flair and an air of superiority.
" Even the gods cannot change history "
-- Agathon
Dio Seijuro
05-28-2008, 11:11 PM
I don't believe in any god, but it's mainly because I find no use for it, not because I can "prove" no god exists.
Ride4Life
05-29-2008, 01:54 AM
So says the followers of every religion. You can't all be right. My god is better than your god, and thats all there is to it
Love2smile
05-29-2008, 01:57 AM
1st commandment:
According to this, God herself told Moses that there are other gods, but that she should come first among gods.
In this passage other gods refers to man made gods, such as the many idols that people in biblical time worshiped. There is only one Alpha and Omega.
dharmabum
05-29-2008, 06:54 AM
In this passage other gods refers to man made gods, such as the many idols that people in biblical time worshiped.
With respect, that is a distinction without a difference. All Gods are man made in that we have no external proof that they exist outside our own minds.
Thats why we have "faith" in them.
Garry Denke
05-29-2008, 04:09 PM
When the Lords Gods created Particle Physics...
Old story, New names
Rev. 4 (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5391256)
1 god (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=O+Lord+God+Almighty&restrict=All&size=First+100) is 1 rock (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7529895).
4 beasts (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=boolean&q1=four+beasts&operator1=And&q2=full+of+eyes&operator2=And&q3=&rgn=verse&restrict=All&size=First+100) are 4 charges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_%28physics%29).
father charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge) .333... e (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_charge) (spin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28physics%29))
son charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge) .666... e (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_charge) (spin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28physics%29))
ghost charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge) .999... e (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_charge) (spin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28physics%29))
spirit charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge) .000...1 e (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_charge) (spin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28physics%29))
24 elders (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=four+and+twenty+elders&restrict=All&size=First+100) are 24 fermions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermion).
father charge .333... e quarks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark)
(1st gen) down quark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_quark) - down antiquark (spin 1/2)
(2nd gen) strange quark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_quark) - strange antiquark (spin 1/2)
(3rd gen) bottom quark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_quark) - bottom antiquark (spin 1/2)
son charge .666... e quarks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark)
(1st gen) up quark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_quark) - up antiquark (spin 1/2)
(2nd gen) charm quark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charm_quark) - charm antiquark (spin 1/2)
(3rd gen) top quark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_quark) - top antiquark (spin 1/2)
ghost charge .999... e leptons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepton)
(1st gen) electron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron) - positron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron) (spin 1/2)
(2nd gen) muon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon) - positive muon (spin 1/2)
(3rd gen) tau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau_lepton) - positive tau (spin 1/2)
spirit charge .000...1 e leptons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepton)
(1st gen) electron-neutrino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino) - electron-antineutrino (spin 1/2)
(2nd gen) muon-neutrino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino) - muon-antineutrino (spin 1/2)
(3rd gen) tau-neutrino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino) - tau-antineutrino (spin 1/2)
Rev. 6-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206-8;&version=50;)
4 horses (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206:1-8;&version=50;) are 4 forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction).
white charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_charge) .999... e higgs force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_field)
red charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_chromodynamics) .999... e strong force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_interaction)
black charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_charge) .999... e electro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism) .000...1 e weak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_interaction) force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_interaction)
pale charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_charge) .999... e gravitation force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation)
144,000 seals (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%207;&version=50;) are 144,000 particles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics).
7 spirits (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206-8;&version=50;) are 7 bosons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_boson).
white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White) charge .000...1 e higgs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson) (spin 0/1)
red (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red) charge .000...1 e gluon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluon) (spin 1/1)
black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black) charge .000...1 e photon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon), Z boson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_boson) .999... e W,-W bosons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_bosons) (spin 1/1)
pale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_%28color%29) charge .000...1 e graviton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton) (spin 2/1)
Rev. 21 (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5440490)
1 great city (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021;&version=50;) is 1 standard model (http://www.fisicx.com/quickreference/images/medium_particle_chart.jpg).
12 gates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_%28engineering%29) are 12 particles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_particles)
12 foundations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_%28engineering%29) are 12 antiparticles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiparticle)
Rev. 22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022;&version=50;)
1 rock (http://www.flickr.com/photos/garrydenke/979647239) is 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_%28number%29).
...Why did the Lords Gods create only 7 stars?
Seven stars (7 stars*)
1) dark temperature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature): [(hbar*c^5/G)^1/2]/k = 4.2903353(04) x 10^31 K (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin)
2) electric current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_current): e/[(hbar*G/c^5)^1/2] = 9.8137286(29) x 10^24 A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere)
3) dark matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass): (hbar*c/G)^1/2 = 6.5907305(98) x 10^-9 kg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram)
4) amount of substance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amount_of_substance): [(hbar*c/G)^1/2]/M = 1.6605387(82) x 10^-24 mol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_%28unit%29)
5) dark length (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space): (hbar*G/c^3)^1/2 = 4.8943724(18) x 10^-36 m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre)
6) luminous intensity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_intensity): [(hbar*G/c^5)^1/2]/alpha = 2.2372317(89) x 10^-42 cd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candela)
7) dark time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time): (hbar*G/c^5)^1/2 = 1.6325869(07) x 10^-44 s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second)
I mean ...Why not 8?
G (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity) - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_collapse)D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density)
Love2smile
05-29-2008, 08:11 PM
With respect, that is a distinction without a difference. All Gods are man made in that we have no external proof that they exist outside our own minds.
Thats why we have "faith" in them.
Yes but only one God made man. Gen 2:7
Foolsworth
05-29-2008, 08:20 PM
I don't believe in any god, but it's mainly because I find no use for it, not because I can "prove" no god exists.
You mean to tell me,if a God,was only a belief of some external
good that comforts one,when in time of pain or crisis,you would
deny yerself that slight benefit.?
Pardon moi,but that seems irrational.
I can't even say an animal in the wild would hold such
brain activity.
I know fer Goddamned sure that our Pets { Dogs & Cats } DON'T.
MeskDXB
05-29-2008, 09:00 PM
Yes but only one God made man. Gen 2:7
r u serious?
mikezila
05-29-2008, 09:03 PM
r u serious?
does any other accept the blame?
Love2smile
05-29-2008, 09:03 PM
I am.
BorgHunter
05-30-2008, 01:27 AM
You mean to tell me,if a God,was only a belief of some external
good that comforts one,when in time of pain or crisis,you would
deny yerself that slight benefit.?
Pardon moi,but that seems irrational.
My mom died when I was nearly 15. I was an atheist then, and I am still one. I handled her death just fine without faith, thank you very much.
Garry Denke
05-30-2008, 01:27 AM
Drawn from Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel,
and the Apocalypse of St. John, Sir Isaac Newton, 1733.
the mark, name, image, and number...
Rev. 12
Gravitation - G, the Letter of Gods, the mark.
Gravitation - JESUS, the Word of Gods, the name.
Gravitation - G'S US, the Sentence of Gods, the image.
Gravitation - .666 x 10^-7 space^3/mass-time^2, the Wisdom of Gods, the number.
seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (.666), ten horns (x 10), seven crowns (^-7), and tail (space^3/mass-time^2)
Rev 13
Gravitation - G, the Letter of Gods, the mark.
Gravitation - JESUS, the Word of Gods, the name.
Gravitation - G'S US, the Sentence of Gods, the image.
Gravitation - 666. x 10^-10 space^3/mass-time^2, the Wisdom of Gods, the number.
seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (666.), ten horns (x 10), ten crowns (^-10), and tail (space^3/mass-time^2)
Rev. 14
G, JESUS, G'S US, 6.66 x 10^-8 space^3/mass-time^2
Why not 8?
Dio Seijuro
05-30-2008, 11:01 AM
You mean to tell me,if a God,was only a belief of some external
good that comforts one,when in time of pain or crisis,you would
deny yerself that slight benefit.?
Pardon moi,but that seems irrational.
I can't even say an animal in the wild would hold such
brain activity.
I know fer Goddamned sure that our Pets { Dogs & Cats } DON'T.
If one is so comforted then god is perfectly useful to this person. I spoke for myself. I have no need for god in times of crisis. I simply say "oh crap" and start looking for anything I can do to improve my situation. If I have terminal cancer, I'd rather have somebody bring me a video game console and morphine shots whist bed-ridden. Lying there praying isn't going to make my pain go away.
dharmabum
05-30-2008, 03:55 PM
Yes but only one God made man. Gen 2:7
Yes and all the gods say it was them.
Love2smile
05-30-2008, 05:24 PM
Yeah, Superman says he can fly and Spiderman claims to spin webs too. Both are man made fictional characters.
MeskDXB
05-30-2008, 06:47 PM
Yeah, Superman says he can fly and Spiderman claims to spin webs too. Both are man made fictional characters.
So is your god.sorry to burst your bubble. All religious books were written by men just as comics books were.
BorgHunter
05-30-2008, 07:58 PM
Yeah, Superman says he can fly and Spiderman claims to spin webs too. Both are man made fictional characters.
Why is the God of the Bible non-fictional, but all the other ones fictional?
Love2smile
05-30-2008, 08:06 PM
Okay but... comic books are not over 2000 years old. The bible was physically written by the diciples yes, but... God told them what to write. I don't think you can say the same for comic books.
see John 1:1-18.
Love2smile
05-30-2008, 08:08 PM
Why is the God of the Bible non-fictional, but all the other ones fictional?
Because our existence is non-fictional and he created us.
mikezila
05-30-2008, 08:15 PM
Yes and all the gods say it was them.
sorry? i don't think any other gods say they created Man.
dharmabum
05-30-2008, 08:51 PM
Both are man made fictional characters.
"What is the definition of Mythology? Someone else's religion." - Joseph Campbell
dharmabum
05-30-2008, 08:54 PM
sorry? i don't think any other gods say they created Man.
Every religion has it's own creation myths.
BorgHunter
05-30-2008, 09:00 PM
Because our existence is non-fictional and he created us.
But you have no proof for that. Even if I grant you the assumption that a god created man (which I wouldn't, in general, but am here for the sake of argument), what evidence do you have that it was the Judeochristian God and not, say, Allah? Or Zeus? You are making guesses as to the mind of God by saying that this religion is the one true religion, and all others aren't.
mikezila
05-30-2008, 10:24 PM
Every religion has it's own creation myths.
share with us?
mikezila
05-30-2008, 10:26 PM
Judeochristian God and not, say, Allah?
same God:slap:
or so the Islamics claim.
Dio Seijuro
05-30-2008, 10:58 PM
same God:slap:
or so the Islamics claim.
That leaves still the problem of differences in the teachings even if you successfully argued that all world's religion's are talking about the same god. Which teaching is correct? Let me tell you the secret method most people use to answer this question: "The one that suits me".
mikezila
05-30-2008, 10:59 PM
That leaves still the problem of differences in the teachings even if you successfully argued that all world's religion's are talking about the same god. Which teaching is correct?
mine:)
MeskDXB
05-31-2008, 05:56 AM
see John 1:1-18.
Please see issue number 292 of Superman from 1957 in which it says Superman came from the planet Krypton.:lolhit:
dharmabum
05-31-2008, 06:37 AM
share with us?
Here you go. (http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html)
Foolsworth
05-31-2008, 07:34 AM
But you have no proof for that. Even if I grant you the assumption that a god created man (which I wouldn't, in general, but am here for the sake of argument), what evidence do you have that it was the Judeochristian God and not, say, Allah? Or Zeus? You are making guesses as to the mind of God by saying that this religion is the one true religion, and all others aren't.
Oh ! and here I thought for sure you were about to take issue with
the generic gender use of " his " as an exclusive feature of God.
God is the Theological genus for Supreme Creator,in Christianity,as well
Islam and Judaism.
This is no way to go about receiving guerdon.
I'm not perturbed in the least that yer Ignurnce is showing.
It has before and will again.Is my bet.
Is all.
Love2smile
05-31-2008, 09:04 AM
In the end it all comes down to faith. Believing without seeing. It doesn't always seem logical, but if you let yourself submit to believing, it becomes all to real.
Foolsworth
05-31-2008, 09:25 AM
Because our existence is non-fictional and he created us.
Bravo ! And succinctly true and to the point.Maybe not for
the uninitiated,but they'll have to provide for their own
philosophy when the time arrives.
God is the author of good.
The Republic
" Then God,if he is good,is not the author of all things,as the
many assert,but he is the cause of a few things only,and not
of most things that occur to men.For few are the goods of
human life,and many are the evils,and the good is to be
attributed to God alone;of the evils the causes are to be
sought elsewhere,and not in him. "
-- Plato
dharmabum
05-31-2008, 10:11 AM
In the end it all comes down to faith. Believing without seeing. It doesn't always seem logical, but if you let yourself submit to believing, it becomes all to real.
I agree 100%. I think the key is recognizing your faith and being able to seperate it from what you know as fact.
Foolsworth
05-31-2008, 10:37 AM
I agree 100%. I think the key is recognizing your faith and being able to seperate it from what you know as fact.
OK,thar Mr.Fact sheet.Can you tell us all what kind of day is
was outside,the day you were born.?
Was it warm and sunny.? Maybe Cloudy & Cold.
Maybe an Indian summer.Or snow everywhere.
There ././././ I juts disproved yer Smartypants right off.
mikezila
05-31-2008, 01:27 PM
Here you go. (http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html)
thanks..
this is an interesting one-
http://www.indianlegend.com/lakota/lakota_001.htm
a great flood, a great spirit, Man descending from the union between a god and the survivor of the 1st humans....but where did the 1st humans come from? dammit Lame Deer! you should have worked in Hollywood!
dharmabum
06-03-2008, 10:51 AM
thanks..
this is an interesting one-
http://www.indianlegend.com/lakota/lakota_001.htm (https://ssl.mci.com/http/www.indianlegend.com/lakota/lakota_001.htm)
a great flood, a great spirit, Man descending from the union between a god and the survivor of the 1st humans....but where did the 1st humans come from? dammit Lame Deer! you should have worked in Hollywood!
That reminds me of Genesis in the Bible, where Adam and Eve have two sons and then one of them goes "across the water" to the "land of nod" to find a wife. Where did those people come from?
mikezila
06-03-2008, 11:08 AM
That reminds me of Genesis in the Bible, where Adam and Eve have two sons and then one of them goes "across the water" to the "land of nod" to find a wife. Where did those people come from?
who said the folks in the land of Nod were humans? Lilth wasn't.
Love2smile
06-03-2008, 11:26 AM
I've wondered about that too. Adam and Eve were the first man and women God created, but no where does it state they were the only ones.
dharmabum
06-03-2008, 11:33 AM
who said the folks in the land of Nod were humans? Lilth wasn't.
maybe they were the space aliens who helped build the pyramids! ;)
dharmabum
06-03-2008, 11:35 AM
I've wondered about that too. Adam and Eve were the first man and women God created, but no where does it state they were the only ones.
That strikes me as a pretty glaring omission.
Love2smile
06-03-2008, 01:11 PM
It's like the question, where did the gentiles come from?
mikezila
06-03-2008, 01:31 PM
That strikes me as a pretty glaring omission.
there's only so much room in a book.
dharmabum
06-03-2008, 02:45 PM
It's like the question, where did the gentiles come from?
I think that is a good question.
IMO, the creation story in the bible is just the story of the Hebrew tribe.
Not all mankind.
dharmabum
06-03-2008, 02:46 PM
there's only so much room in a book.
Read all you want, we'll print more pages... :)