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paulc
05-24-2008, 04:36 AM
It was a mighty Ark. 140 metres long according to the Bible. However most scientists agree that still would not have been enough o hold the millions of species that have been discovered on Earth.
As next weeks meeting of the UN Convention on Biological Diversity gets ready to kick off in Bonn Germany, estimates of the number of species on Earth are surging to hull busting levels as biologists find new life almost everywhere they look, from African swamps to Antarctica.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0515/noahsark.html
MeskDXB
05-24-2008, 06:27 AM
How dare you question god's ability? If god wanted to put all the millions of species into onto a 140meters long boat, He can do it as god is outside the realm of physics. And plus, they have found the boat atop some mountain top - so its real!!
(sarcasm)
HaVoK
05-24-2008, 08:29 AM
How dare you question god's ability? If god wanted to put all the millions of species into onto a 140meters long boat, He can do it as god is outside the realm of physics. And plus, they have found the boat atop some mountain top - so its real!!
(sarcasm)I always have to wonder why there are so many negative emotions directed at people of faith or their God. Cant you just disagree and leave it at that?
Why must every observation have a sarcastic and not so witty tone to it? What do you get out of it?
Love2smile
05-24-2008, 09:38 AM
We know there was a great flood and the animals still exist. How much more proof do you need?
BorgHunter
05-24-2008, 09:48 AM
We know there was a great flood and the animals still exist. How much more proof do you need?
And the Oscar for "Most Specious 'Reasoning' in an Internet Forum Post" goes to...
Vilepagan
05-24-2008, 11:21 AM
We know there was a great flood and the animals still exist. How much more proof do you need?
Well, for starters, you could define "great flood" and then show us the proof?
BorgHunter
05-24-2008, 11:25 AM
Well, for starters, you could define "great flood" and then show us the proof?
From context, I think the "great flood" she's talking about would have to be one in which there was no dry land on Earth. Clearly, there is not enough water on Earth for that to have happened in the relatively short period of time in which multicellular land creatures existed, nor is there any satisfactory explanation for the survival of land plants in such a scenario. There have been a number of floods in the period of time where multicellular land creatures existed, but none were quite that large.
LionelHutz
05-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Of course the assumption here seems to be that most view the Ark as literal truth, which no doubt some do, but many people on this board make the mistake of viewing Christians as a singular entity greatly resembling a TV televangelist.
DarkFantasy96
05-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Of course the assumption here seems to be that most view the Ark as literal truth, which no doubt some do, but many people on this board make the mistake of viewing Christians as a singular entity greatly resembling a TV televangelist.
I was going to refrain from saying this, as it seems to be what I always say in these discussions. I'm glad someone else did it thought - great point. :)
Love2smile
05-24-2008, 07:19 PM
The Great Flood was a very unusual and singular event. Because of the magnitude of the destruction, it would have left an indelible and permanent mark on the minds of any survivors. This story would have been told and retold, passing down from generation to generation. And so it was. The story of the Great Flood is embedded in many cultures and beliefs. Over 600 of these stories throughout the entire world have been carried down to the present age.
Vilepagan
05-24-2008, 07:38 PM
The Great Flood was a very unusual and singular event. Because of the magnitude of the destruction, it would have left an indelible and permanent mark on the minds of any survivors. This story would have been told and retold, passing down from generation to generation. And so it was. The story of the Great Flood is embedded in many cultures and beliefs. Over 600 of these stories throughout the entire world have been carried down to the present age.
Indeed so, and there's significant evidence to suggest a large flood did occur in what is now the Black Sea, but your earlier posts suggest you adhere to the biblical account which is usually interpreted to mean that the entire world flooded.
Decka
05-24-2008, 08:05 PM
too bad we can't find out what those "anomalies" are in Durupinar and Ararat... along with other suspected areas LOL.
Love2smile
05-24-2008, 10:23 PM
How could the waters cover the entire earth during the Great Flood?
The crust of the Earth is flexible and deforms over geological time under redistributed weightloads. Mr. Anderson describes this process in some detail in his book. During the Ice Age, the weight of ice sheets miles thick effected the shape of the world; the ocean became shallower and the continental landmasses flattened out.
BorgHunter
05-24-2008, 10:37 PM
How could the waters cover the entire earth during the Great Flood?
The crust of the Earth is flexible and deforms over geological time under redistributed weightloads. Mr. Anderson describes this process in some detail in his book. During the Ice Age, the weight of ice sheets miles thick effected the shape of the world; the ocean became shallower and the continental landmasses flattened out.
And how would such a Great Flood end? Water doesn't just disappear, nor would enough to cover the Earth easily evaporate away enough to leave land uncovered, even if the air started fairly dry (which would seem unlikely). A flood covering the entire Earth is not possible unless the Earth was really flat, and the Earth does not flatten from nearly 9,000 meters above sea level and nearly 11,000 meters below sea level to a point supporting a planetwide flood in just a few thousand years (the period of time between the last glacial period and now). There have been some big floods in Earth's history, but never one that big.
Napsterbater
05-24-2008, 10:46 PM
To play devil's advocate here, why do we have to assume that the Bible meant species in a scientific sense? Noah could have gotten two of each animal form, brought them aboard his boat, and then they split off into different species later.
Love2smile
05-24-2008, 10:53 PM
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c005.html
Check out this link.
Decka
05-24-2008, 11:58 PM
That is taking the bible literally Love.. but it was a good read.
Now if there were solid evidence that the tops of mountains had water damage to them, it might "convince" people to consider that it happened.
Me, personally... I think there is a spiritual being whether the Ark existed or not.
BorgHunter
05-25-2008, 12:43 AM
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c005.html
Check out this link.
You're starting with a conclusion and selectively choosing evidence to support it (while ignoring a multitude of contradictory evidence), rather than starting with facts and working toward a theory. Hell, you don't even have to do the mental heavy lifting; it's all been done for you. It's a far more consistent way to live, to be entrenched in, you know, reality rather than believing that dinosaurs coexisted with men, as that site of yours claims. That kind of claim goes from the realm of "being a bit too literal" to "should be wearing a straitjacket in a rubber room".
MeskDXB
05-25-2008, 04:52 AM
Me, personally... I think there is a spiritual being whether the Ark existed or not.
When arguments fail, you can always fall back on this one.
Decka
05-25-2008, 02:10 PM
I don't intend on trying to argue or prove the existence of God... Hence the meaning of the word "faith"... I like bonhoeffers quote: "A God who reveals himself is actually an Idol". That would make the skeptics, negatives, materialists, and critics believe... and would quite frankly be too easy.