"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK"
This I agree with.

That's not leadership. That's not going to happen,
This part is scary.

That's not going to happen,
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Napoleon said the same thing when they told him the Tsar might burn Moscow.
I wonder if the 2 of them suffer from delusions of grandeur?

At least Bonaparte had a REASON to think highly of himself, but ah well........

Maybe The Bama ought'n ta make up a New Misery Index.
Then,at least he'll be like the other Paper Tiger Candidate/President.
Namely Jimmy { F'uped the Economy } Carter.

With the dollar weak and oil expensive I think Americans have some difficult choices to make in the coming years.

With the dollar weak and oil expensive I think Americans have some difficult choices to make in the coming years.

This is correct under the Democratic way.
As we've seen firsthand since the New Pelosi Congress of
last year.
And if 'tweren't for the New Newt Congress of 1994,then Welfare
Reform and a Balanced Budget Amendment wood also be like
a rampant Vampire on the loose.

With the dollar weak and oil expensive I think Americans have some difficult choices to make in the coming years.


Yes, we do have some difficult choices to make in the coming years but I don't want Obama telling me how much I can eat, what I can drive and how warm I keep my house.

Don't worry, the Democrats are going to suit OPEC and we'll be okay.

Don't worry, the Democrats are going to suit OPEC and we'll be okay.
did they name themselves as defendants too? they won't increase domestic production.:lolhit:

That's not leadership. That's not going to happen

So what is his plan? This is what bothers me about all these Democrats acting like Obama is god. What is he going to do? Do any of those idiots even know? I don't think they do.

There is a one-word, very simple solution to the oil prices ...

TELECOMMUTE

yet, for whatever reason, they just can't seem to say it and certainly don't show any signs of implementing it -- by law if necessary.

Make it mandatory, that all non-essential-in-plant workers are to work at home. That takes 50% or more cars off the freeways and many of the ones still driving will be taking a 3 mile trip to Ralphs, not a 140 mile round trip from Riverside to El Segundo for a paycheck.

Oil will drop to .99 gallon and our friends in the middle east can start drinking the stuff.

Obama is full of crap just like the rest of them.

Yes, we do have some difficult choices to make in the coming years but I don't want Obama telling me how much I can eat, what I can drive and how warm I keep my house.
You're exactly right.

Over the last several years I've heard about the Bush dictatorship, King Bush, the Bush Monarchy, etc....

If those people were serious then, they should be horrified by the ramifications of what Obama is saying here.

Unless, of course, a spokesman tells us he "misspoke".

Brooks,

All you have are two sentences taken out of context and you expect me to be "horrified" by them?

Please. :rolleyes:

Then it should be really easy for you to explain it in context.

How the heck would I know the context? This is your thread.

So far it just sounds like a bunch of anti-democratic B.S. to me.

1. How the heck would I know the context? This is your thread.

2. So far it just sounds like a bunch of anti-democratic B.S. to me.
1. I accept you acquiescence.

2. Actually Drama, Obama's statement is what sounds very anti-democratic.

1. I accept you acquiescence.
Me have not offered it.

Well? I am waiting. Are you going to provide the rest of the quote to give those two sentences some context or not?

Are you going to at least provide a link to prove you aren't just making those two sentences up? You are not exactly known for being truthful ya know.


2. Actually Drama, Obama's statement is what sounds very anti-democratic.
What statement?

I haven't seen anything except two sentences from you with no link and no context followed by a bunch of anti-democratic B.S. from a motley collection of hyper-partisans.

:slap:

Brooks: I accept you acquiescence.
Drama: Me have not offered it.

Drama:Well? (incomplete sentence) I am waiting.
Are you going to, at least, provide a link to prove you aren't just making those two sentences up? You are not exactly known for being truthful ya (I was unable to locate this word in several dictionaries.) know.
What statement? (Where is your verb?)
I haven't seen anything except two sentences from you with no link and no context followed by a bunch of anti-democratic (This should not be a hyphenated word) B.S. (You probably shouldn't capitalize this.) from a motley collection of hyper-partisans (This is not a word).



Here are the two paragraphs in question, followed by the link.
"We can't -- drive our SUVs and you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on you know, 72 degrees at all times, and whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the tundra, and then just expect that every other country's going say OK.

You guys go ahead and keep on using 25 percent of the world's energy. Even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we'll be fine. Don't worry about us.
That's not -- that's not leadership. That's not going to happen. And that's, by the way, why, for example, I had this big argument with Senator Clinton and McCain about the gas tax, holiday.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/2008_05_19.html

Please tell me how a nondictatorial leader will achieve this?

OPEC.
I cant figure out how a Government can sue another Government or organisation over oil.

Yes, we do have some difficult choices to make in the coming years but I don't want Obama telling me how much I can eat, what I can drive and how warm I keep my house.

It doesn't matter if he says that or not. The market and environment ultimately dictates how much you can consume. And if Obama meant that in what he said, then I certainly can't find fault.

Higher prices for goods, the specter of global warming, and ultimately war all seem to be connected through uncontrolled population growth and the demands that such a population places on the environment and economy. As with any macro or microcosm, natural checks must exist to preserve supply.

Please tell me how a nondictatorial leader will achieve this?
Through taxes. And I'm all for higher gas taxes, punitive taxes on vehicles under X mpg, taxes on vehicles greater than X pounds, etc. for personal, noncommercial use.

So...political suicide.

I'm with Erst on this one. Market forces will eventually force us to change our habits. Let's hope that it's not too late by then.

When u have a western attitude of 'man mind thyself', market forces are simply going to continue catering to that attitude, so nothing will ever change.

Except these market forces are already pushing us away from that attitude. Oil is only going to get more expensive, especially considering the dwindling reserves and the increasing instability in oil-rich countries. Also, the falling dollar may eventually cause oil to be traded in Euros, which will make it even more expensive because that would cause further depreciation in our currency's value. The end result is that we're going to have to pick ourselves up out of this.

Through taxes. And I'm all for higher gas taxes, punitive taxes on vehicles under X mpg, taxes on vehicles greater than X pounds, etc. for personal, noncommercial use.

Higher gas taxes pretty much accomplishes everything the punitive taxes would. And punitive taxes, while penalizing wasteful people, would also penalize those with large families who need larger vehicles.

Here are the two paragraphs in question,
Two paragraphs? That's your idea of context? :slap:

Let me know when you can post a link to the WHOLE quote. Not just two paragraphs taken out of context.

Frankly speaking, I don't guess global warming matter is just on political issue. We need science technology to resolve global warming. About oil price also. Just political means couldn't help resolving this matter yet. We don't have enough skills to keep economy with decline in CO2 emissions.
The story on politics to help declining CO2 will be proceeding research about carbon-neutral fuel and to help expanding them. But if scientists take nothing, Obama couldn't do anything(McCain either.)

Through taxes. And I'm all for higher gas taxes, punitive taxes on vehicles under X mpg, taxes on vehicles greater than X pounds, etc. for personal, noncommercial use.
I'm for that too, but that's not what he said.

Right now economists are hard pressed to explain why gasoline consumption hasn't gone down as expected despite the soaring prices.
Raising the cost does not guarantee that consumption will be lowered.
But his firm words say consumption will be lowered.
How is he going to do it?

He said "That's not going to happen". He didn't say he would attempt to lower consumption through raising taxes and he didn't say he would give incentives, etc.
He said "That's not going to happen".

If this is going to be another one of those cases where someone is going to explain what he really really meant, save it. I'm getting tired of it.

Two paragraphs? That's your idea of context? :slap:

Let me know when you can post a link to the WHOLE quote. Not just two paragraphs taken out of context.
It's in the link, dear.
(That's the blue letters. Click on it)