1. Use Solar and/or Wind for electrolysis (split water into H2 and o). Store this H2. This could be done at home in your backyard. Water can be stolen from the Ocean. Saltwater works better in Electrolysis anyway. and the O gas can be sold for some industrial uses.

2. Take an electric car (like the tesla or some other future electric car). Rip out the existing battery and put in a fuel cell.

3. Put the H2 tank from step 1 in your car (like the tesla) to feed the fuel cell. the fuel cell will create energy to drive the motors, etc. You can still have a conventional battery in parallel which will get recharged from regenerative braking to assist the fuel cell.

WHY CAN'T THIS BE DONE?? (i know I am a genius!!)

Or just use your wind/solar to recharge your existing battery. You could have like 10 batteries charging in your garage at one time with wind/solar so you always have one ready when you need it.

WHY CAN'T THIS BE DONE?

Now you are driving around for free!

liquid hydrogen is highly unstable. it can be done, but it's no where near cost effective.

In which step do you think the cost is not effective? In the steps noted above, we are getting hydrogen from water through electrolysis, which is powered by solar/wind.

In which step do you think the cost is not effective. I am being serious.
a suitable cryogenic storage tank is your 1st stumbling block. 3 of them big enough to be useful is likely to cost more than the average home.

if it'll make you feel better, GM has been working on fuel cell cars for quite some time. at least since Apr 05 when one of them torched my trailer.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/mikezila_bucket/trailerfire009-1.jpg

1. Use Solar and/or Wind for electrolysis (split water into H2 and o). Store this H2. This could be done at home in your backyard. Water can be stolen from the Ocean. Saltwater works better in Electrolysis anyway. and the O gas can be sold for some industrial uses.
The main problem right now is storage. The technology doesn't exist yet for storing hydrogen at concentrations that are both useful and safe for automotive applications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_storage

2. Take an electric car (like the tesla or some other future electric car). Rip out the existing battery and put in a fuel cell.
Fuel cells are still expensive to produce and are fragile. They're not quite ready to be mass produced. Many designs require expensive and rare metals such as platinum to work properly. Also they're very susceptible to freezing temperatures.


3. Put the H2 tank from step 1 in your car (like the tesla) to feed the fuel cell. the fuel cell will create energy to drive the motors, etc. You can still have a conventional battery in parallel which will get recharged from regenerative braking to assist the fuel cell.
Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither will the hydrogen economy. Overcoming the issues I listed above will take years of research. But there are groups out there doing the research. You need to come to appreciate the difficulties of mass production.

Why can't Hillary SHIT in the woods w/o Bill takin credit
fer it.?
Proilly cuz Yogi and BoBo done got the polaroids of it.
And udder stuff.

Why can't Hillary SHIT in the woods w/o Bill takin credit
fer it.?
Proilly cuz Yogi and BoBo done got the polaroids of it.
And udder stuff.


.....and I was just asking in another thread where you have been. Sorry I asked. This was a science discussion not a political one.

a suitable cryogenic storage tank is your 1st stumbling block. 3 of them big enough to be useful is likely to cost more than the average home.

if it'll make you feel better, GM has been working on fuel cell cars for quite some time. at least since Apr 05 when one of them torched my trailer.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/mikezila_bucket/trailerfire009-1.jpg

does it have to be compressed and stored as liquid. Can't you just feed the H gas into the fuel cell?

does it have to be compressed and stored as liquid. Can't you just feed the H gas into the fuel cell?
volume

and the O gas can be sold for some industrial uses.
"O gas"? Perhaps you mean O2?

"O gas"? Perhaps you mean O2?
H2O2 degrades to water and oxygen, if you could stabilize jet quality hydrogen peroxide or even separate the excess water without dumping it out on the road or keep it from freezing in the winter that could work. if it will run a turbine engine, it will run a diesel engine.

next problem would be making it at home-commercial H2O2 is made from natural gas.

All I can think of trying to follow this conversation is...

REMEMBER THE HINDENBERG? Hydrogen BAD.

Other than that, I'll leave inventing a new fuel up to you smart guys. Just don't ask me to test ride your blimp.

;)
SMW

H2O2 degrades to water and oxygen, if you could stabilize jet quality hydrogen peroxide or even separate the excess water without dumping it out on the road or keep it from freezing in the winter that could work. if it will run a turbine engine, it will run a diesel engine.

I think the Germans had some rockets in WWII powered by H2O2, but jet aircraft run on kerosene.

volume
Exactly. You just can't store enough hydrogen on board a vehicle for it to be useful without compressing it and possibly liquefying it.

H2O2 degrades to water and oxygen, if you could stabilize jet quality hydrogen peroxide or even separate the excess water without dumping it out on the road or keep it from freezing in the winter that could work. if it will run a turbine engine, it will run a diesel engine.

next problem would be making it at home-commercial H2O2 is made from natural gas.
I wasn't talking about hydrogen peroxide.

I wasn't talking about hydrogen peroxide.
no, you bringing up O2, reminded me that hydrogen peroxide breaks down into water and O2:D

"O gas"? Perhaps you mean O2?

yes O2