Nappy and Vile, those are great posts.

*clap clap clap clap*

I don't know that the right is so much against it as they'd prefer a little perspective. At this point in time you're just not going to be able to run the country using wind power and solar power. And it's not like were close, either.

As far as being able to achieve anything if we just try - a lot of people really think that if you try hard enough we can somehow invent our way out of problems, but sometimes things just aren't possible. I find myself chuckling everytime someone says that all we need is a "Manhattan project to solve X." Well, sometimes that ain't gonna happen. The Manhattan project to create a room-temperature superconductor doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Agreed on everything you said. But, I don't think anybody is asking to "run the country using wind power and solar power". It does not have to bel "all or nothing". Even if you use solar in your home during the day (in fact you would be feeding extra electricity to the city grid most of the time and getting paid for that), and you use the grid at night, that's a drastic reduction. We just can't sit back and say no no no and say yes to stupid ideas like drilling in ANWR which will do nothing but make a quick buck for Bush's buddies. BTW I am all pro-business and also for making a quick buck as y'all can see from my previous posts.

For example, there's no reason every house in the country couldn't have solar panels on the roof. Would it solve the problem? No, but it'd sure help. We have the technology to exploit wind power, there's just no money to be made, or not enough in the short term. I think part of the problem is our unwillingness to view the problem in the long term. Capitalism demands a quick return on your investment, especially in the private sector.

Ah, but there's always the classic "Who's gonna pay for that?" question. Generally people aren't going to do it for themselves because, as you point out, the investment takes way too long to pay off. And the government is in too much debt as it is.

It occurs to me that maybe instead of investing money to come up with more efficient solar power, we'd be better off coming up with cheaper solar, at least in the short term, so the investment is easier to justify.

I read that Whole Foods is already starting to work with solar providers. Basically, the deal is that every flat top store they have will get at least 10% of its electricity through a solar provider that sets up panels on their roofs. They'll still be plugged into the grid, but it's a step in the right direction.

Ah, but there's always the classic "Who's gonna pay for that?" question.

True enough, but we're going to pay for it one way or the other.

I read that Whole Foods is already starting to work with solar providers. Basically, the deal is that every flat top store they have will get at least 10% of its electricity through a solar provider that sets up panels on their roofs. They'll still be plugged into the grid, but it's a step in the right direction.

I learned about Whole Foods while watchin the game show
- Cash Cab -.I never would have expected that a special
nutrition store would make it in today's vast sources of
groceries and savings.I mean,even Wal*Mart has stuff that is
unbeatable.I wouldn't buy a steak or nice pork chop there,But I
now buy my bread there.They have $1.oo Fresh bakes french
of Italian or Herb toasted breads.It doesn't get any better.
I remeber buying really fancy whole bread at where I shop for
my Liquor.Formerly Liquor Outlet.Guaranteed lowest price on
liguor.Vast array of sauces,pasta sauces,oilive oils.
Well,they have a local supplier with a boutique bakery and really
homemade fresh baked euro type breads.With fancy names and
stuff like fresh basil and herbs baked-in.Very xrusty lookin and
feelin bread.Very expensive.Like $ 4.99- $6.99.
I bought a loaf once.It was shit.The baker must not have the
expertise to know how baking and not using conflicting ingredients
& when the bread dough is ready for the oven.
The bread was very chewy,wet and not at all properly baked.
I even tried to bake it a little first then toast or slice.
The stuff was doughy,lumpy and couldn't be used.
Same with some of Liquor Outlet's expensive,fancy boutique
mustards.The ones with raspberry and fancy lookin,expensive
jars.Also, mostly for shit.
There's a lesson to be learned about goin for fresh or fancy
or eye appeal.
Is all.

I learned about Whole Foods while watchin the game show
- Cash Cab -.I never would have expected that a special
nutrition store would make it in today's vast sources of
groceries and savings.I mean,even Wal*Mart has stuff that is
unbeatable.I wouldn't buy a steak or nice pork chop there,But I
now buy my bread there.They have $1.oo Fresh bakes french
of Italian or Herb toasted breads.It doesn't get any better.
I remeber buying really fancy whole bread at where I shop for
my Liquor.Formerly Liquor Outlet.Guaranteed lowest price on
liguor.Vast array of sauces,pasta sauces,oilive oils.
Well,they have a local supplier with a boutique bakery and really
homemade fresh baked euro type breads.With fancy names and
stuff like fresh basil and herbs baked-in.Very xrusty lookin and
feelin bread.Very expensive.Like $ 4.99- $6.99.
I bought a loaf once.It was shit.The baker must not have the
expertise to know how baking and not using conflicting ingredients
& when the bread dough is ready for the oven.
The bread was very chewy,wet and not at all properly baked.
I even tried to bake it a little first then toast or slice.
The stuff was doughy,lumpy and couldn't be used.
Same with some of Liquor Outlet's expensive,fancy boutique
mustards.The ones with raspberry and fancy lookin,expensive
jars.Also, mostly for shit.
There's a lesson to be learned about goin for fresh or fancy
or eye appeal.
Is all.

You been hittin the bottle this morning, I can tell. :@@:

I read that Whole Foods is already starting to work with solar providers. Basically, the deal is that every flat top store they have will get at least 10% of its electricity through a solar provider that sets up panels on their roofs. They'll still be plugged into the grid, but it's a step in the right direction.

They do have a nice advantage that other stores don't - their clientele will reward them for doing environmental things like that. It definitely helps push the reward closer to the cost.

They do have a nice advantage that other stores don't - their clientele will reward them for doing environmental things like that. It definitely helps push the reward closer to the cost.
BINGO!

Here's another interesting thing about WHOLE FOODS.

Dallas has both wet & dry areas, meaning you can't buy beer, wine or liquor just anyplace. The area I live in (which encompasses nearly 1/4th of the inner city) is dry. Even though there are lots of 'urban renewal' projects going on in my area (coffee shops, restaurants, art galleries), there are very few 'upscale' grocery stores. Neighborhood activists have been trying to entice stores like Whole Foods to open a store on our side of town.

Their reply?

No booze sales... no store.

Appears Whole Foods' markets themselves organic, but actually makes their $$$ on booze.

There ya go, Prae -- more hippie farts.

:)
SMW

I like Whole Foods. Good quality. Good selection. And they're trying to change the way we do things. Unfortunately, they're a bit too pricey for my everyday grocery shopping :( Hello Giant Food!

I like Whole Foods.
Most people do, myself included. :)

Whole Foods has great cheeses and breads, as well as a great selection of "exotic" foods and drinks that you don't really see everywhere. A bit pricey though. Luckily you can get a lot of organic stuff at conventional grocery stores now.