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The Praetorian
04-29-2008, 10:19 AM
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Ayrton Senna, Ren?!?!? You're awesome! He's, IMHO, the best driver to have ever lived. A true genius behind the wheel. Unfortunately, I remember his death like it was yesterday (right around this time of year in '94, no less). :(
Leper
04-29-2008, 10:27 AM
Ayrton Senna, Ren?!?!? You're awesome! He's, IMHO, the best driver to have ever lived. A true genius behind the wheel. Unfortunately, I remember his death like it was yesterday (right around this time of year in '94, no less). :(
Racing, Prae? C'mon, can we say pseudo-sport?
smartmouthwoman
04-29-2008, 10:30 AM
Racing, Prae? C'mon, can we say pseudo-sport?
Which brings up an interesting point... wonder why more blacks aren't involved in racing?
Probably just another of those cultural differences, huh?
rendova
04-29-2008, 10:44 AM
Ayrton Senna, Ren?!?!? You're awesome! He's, IMHO, the best driver to have ever lived. A true genius behind the wheel. Unfortunately, I remember his death like it was yesterday (right around this time of year in '94, no less). :(
It was a real shock. I thought he was indestructible! (The only thing wrong with him was he never raced at the 500, but heard he wanted to in 1992.)
He was a great one, but I love Jim Clark best. To me, he's the epitome of classy, dashing driver.
I am gearing up for the Month of May!!!!!
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8232/200pxjimclarkwn5.jpg
rendova
04-29-2008, 10:47 AM
Racing, Prae? C'mon, can we say pseudo-sport?
tsk, tsk...get out. NOW.
:lolhit:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5995/indyci8.gif
Jim Clark's Lotus at the 500, 1965
Jaxwuzhere
04-29-2008, 11:01 AM
I am gearing up for the Month of May!!!!!
I'm dreading it. Both sons have b-days, so there goes all my "fun money" and then the city decides that race time is the best time to start tearing up the roads! Bastards. Plus, I have to work race day. I hate that!!
Let's just hope we don't have a repeat of a couple of years ago when the race was affected by tornadoes. The race party I was at came to a grinding halt when the tent blew down. Twisters....always a buzz kill.
rendova
04-29-2008, 11:16 AM
Plus, I have to work race day. I hate that!!
That sucks!
I have to work the day before, but RACE DAY??
HAH--NEVER!
We always have our Race Day BBQ and blow the speakers out of the stereo for the neighbors' enjoyment!
I haven't been to the track for a race since Roberto Guerrero spun out on the parade lap--remember THAT race??!!!!
paulc
04-29-2008, 11:18 AM
I think Sebastian Loeb must be considered the worlds best drive at present.
Jaxwuzhere
04-29-2008, 11:27 AM
That sucks!
I have to work the day before, but RACE DAY??
HAH--NEVER!
We always have our Race Day BBQ and blow the speakers out of the stereo for the neighbors' enjoyment!
I haven't been to the track for a race since Roberto Guerrero spun out on the parade lap--remember THAT race??!!!!
Yes! How the hell do you manage to do that? I mean, you make it to the 500....surely you should know how to handle the parade lap!
I haven't been to the race since '91. I always sat in the Miller suite, so I got a tad spoiled. Just couldn't figure out a way to keep those seats after the divorce! Dammit.
DarkFantasy96
04-29-2008, 11:37 AM
white trash, nigger, spick, mick, etc.. words used by the economically and socially threatened.
superiority attitudes come in many forms. whether people are aware of it or not. and the sad part, most aren't aware of this at all.
Hey now, pm. I don't mean the term "white trash" as an insult. How could I, when I consider myself part of that group?
BorgHunter
04-29-2008, 11:40 AM
Hey now, pm. I don't mean the term "white trash" as an insult. How could I, when I consider myself part of that group?
I don't think you can separate the insult from the term. Gays can certainly turn "queer" into a good word, but it's rather hard to spin "trash" into a good thing.
rendova
04-29-2008, 11:41 AM
Yes! How the hell do you manage to do that? I mean, you make it to the 500....surely you should know how to handle the parade lap!
I haven't been to the race since '91. I always sat in the Miller suite, so I got a tad spoiled. Just couldn't figure out a way to keep those seats after the divorce! Dammit.
The Miller suite--wow, pretty fancy!
We always sat in the bleachers, turn 4. Once we went to the infield. Once.
That was enough. There were racing "fans" there so loaded, they wouldn't of known (or cared) if Danica pranced around nekkid. Or even Arie Luyendyk.
rendova
04-29-2008, 11:42 AM
I think Sebastian Loeb must be considered the worlds best drive at present.
Post a pic, paul. Gotta get us in the racing spirit.
DarkFantasy96
04-29-2008, 11:52 AM
I don't think you can separate the insult from the term. Gays can certainly turn "queer" into a good word, but it's rather hard to spin "trash" into a good thing.
Well when someone comes up with another term for it, I'll use that. And anyways there's a difference between meaning it as an insult and saying it lightheartedly.
OldPhart
04-29-2008, 11:55 AM
Post a pic, paul. Gotta get us in the racing spirit.
Is this him?
http://images.stockcarracing.com/howto/0509_07z+Dont_Break_The_Bank+Multicar_Dirt_Track.j pg
BorgHunter
04-29-2008, 11:57 AM
Well when someone comes up with another term for it, I'll use that.
Redneck? "White trash" conjures up images of people living in trailers and selling crystal meth to their toothless neighbors.
rendova
04-29-2008, 11:59 AM
Is this him?
http://images.stockcarracing.com/howto/0509_07z+Dont_Break_The_Bank+Multicar_Dirt_Track.j pg
That's KINDA similar to him, but actually that's Dharmabums' "race" "car".
Racing fans KNOW these things.......
rendova
04-29-2008, 12:01 PM
Redneck? "White trash" conjures up images of people living in trailers and selling crystal meth to their toothless neighbors.
I picture "White trash" as coming out of all society's layers.
I've know some rather well-off people who were still trashy.
IOW, you're born trash, you're gonna die trash. Money or a fancy house has really nothing to do with it, IMO.
BorgHunter
04-29-2008, 12:04 PM
I picture "White trash" as coming out of all society's layers.
I've know some rather well-off people who were still trashy.
IOW, you're born trash, you're gonna die trash. Money or a fancy house has really nothing to do with it, IMO.
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I can understand that viewpoint. Some people just have no morals, and that would be perhaps a better indication of "trashiness" than how much money one has or if one, say, chews tobacco.
But I fear we're delving into a pointless semantic argument here.
rendova
04-29-2008, 12:08 PM
But I fear we're delving into a pointless semantic argument here.
That's true, but what else is new around here?
It passes the time.......
OldPhart
04-29-2008, 12:17 PM
That's KINDA similar to him, but actually that's Dharmabums' "race" "car".
Racing fans KNOW these things.......
My bad... I thought this was his car...
http://www.thedailypage.com/media/2007/07/16/598schwel.jpg
rendova
04-29-2008, 12:36 PM
It's actually THIS:
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8618/mantricycle1797310xe0.jpg
"They call him.......SPEED RACER..........."
dharmabum
04-29-2008, 01:52 PM
That's KINDA similar to him, but actually that's Dharmabums' "race" "car".
Racing fans KNOW these things.......
Rednecks... er, racing fans, don't know jack.
This is Dharmabum's "race" "car".
http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Dodge-Charger-2005/Dodge-Charger-2005-001.jpg
:thumbs:
rendova
04-29-2008, 02:03 PM
Not redneck. Hillbilly.
You'd think you'd know that by now.
Can you make the picture a little bigger?
It's hard to see on this here newfangled contraption computer thingamajiggy a mine.
Thanks, sonny.
BorgHunter
04-29-2008, 04:57 PM
This is Dharmabum's "race" "car".
You own a Charger? I bet that thing spends more time at the mechanic's than it does on the road.
paulc
04-29-2008, 05:13 PM
Post a pic, paul. Gotta get us in the racing spirit.
Sebastian Loeb.
es347fan
04-29-2008, 05:32 PM
This is Dharmabum's "race" "car".
A P.O.S. Dodge? Why am I not surprised? "Boy-racer" gas hogging hemi.
The Praetorian
04-29-2008, 05:43 PM
You own a Charger? I bet that thing spends more time at the mechanic's than it does on the road.
Nah - that shitbox has roughly the same level of mechanical sophistication a brick does. With, like, 7 moving parts in it's entirety, reliability shouldn't be an issue - however.....it is a late model Chrysler product we're talking about, so......
The Praetorian
04-29-2008, 05:45 PM
A P.O.S. Dodge? Why am I not surprised? "Boy-racer" gas hogging hemi.
More like faux-hemi. Can you say "marketing tool"???
mikezila
04-29-2008, 05:49 PM
Nah - that shitbox has roughly the same level of mechanical sophistication a brick does. With, like, 7 moving parts in it's entirety, reliability shouldn't be an issue - however.....it is a late model Chrysler product we're talking about, so......
it's also the best car the Michigan State Police have ever tested.:drive:
The Praetorian
04-29-2008, 05:54 PM
it's also the best car the Michigan State Police have ever tested.:drive:
So in terms of beating a fucking Caprice or Crown Vic, it reigns supreme in the "handling" dept. Big frickin' deal. That's like saying, "gee, that's pretty cool for a garbage truck"....
mikezila
04-29-2008, 05:54 PM
More like faux-hemi. Can you say "marketing tool"???
no, it's a Hemi-it has hemisherpical combustion chambers...but then so did my '94 Shadow. only 30mpg, but the first clutch lasted 230,000 miles:thumbs:
The Praetorian
04-29-2008, 05:58 PM
no, it's a Hemi-it has hemisherpical combustion chambers...
I realize that it's being somewhat true to it's namesake, Mike, but (and I'm sorry if you own one) that thing's tacked together like an expensive Russian vehicle.
es347fan
04-29-2008, 05:59 PM
The state cops have plenty of them so it doesn't really matter how often they're in the shop. They also don't give a flying F about the cost of maintenance or the gas mileage - that's something for the taxpayers to worry about.
dharmabum
04-29-2008, 06:02 PM
The state cops have plenty of them so it doesn't really matter how often they're in the shop. They also don't give a flying F about the cost of maintenance or the gas mileage - that's something for the taxpayers to worry about.
And we can influence it by lobbying the elected officials in charge of the budget.
mikezila
04-29-2008, 06:02 PM
So in terms of beating a fucking Caprice or Crown Vic, it reigns supreme in the "handling" dept. Big frickin' deal. That's like saying, "gee, that's pretty cool for a garbage truck"....
and Impala, and Tahoe, SHO Taurus, and everything else that's ever been submitted as possible for service vehicle use..ever.
The Praetorian
04-29-2008, 06:09 PM
and Impala, and Tahoe, SHO Taurus, and everything else that's ever been submitted as possible for service vehicle use..ever.
Impala: FWD assbag vehicle that tips the scales at almost 4,000 lbs.
Tahoe: WOW! It beat a body-on-frame TRUCK replete with leaf springs and a live rear axle!?!?!? Now, that IS impressive....
SHO Taurus: From what era? The late '80's or the late '90's?
mikezila
04-29-2008, 06:10 PM
I realize that it's being somewhat true to it's namesake, Mike, but (and I'm sorry if you own one) that thing's tacked together like an expensive Russian vehicle.
i kinda miss that car-i should never have let my cousin borrow it.~sigh~
anyhow, sure it's not the big Hemi in the SRT, but even the AWD will smoke good tires at a stop light. have you ever seen 4 tires kicking out smoke at the same time? it's damn impressive!
mikezila
04-29-2008, 06:17 PM
Impala: FWD assbag vehicle that tips the scales at almost 4,000 lbs.
Tahoe: WOW! It beat a body-on-frame TRUCK replete with leaf springs and a live rear axle!?!?!? Now, that IS impressive....
SHO Taurus: From what era? The late '80's or the late '90's?
any
say what you want about the Tahoe, but K-9 units like the space, and there's a lot of rural PDs that need something that can go off road, and still catch the cheese wedges when they buzz thru on the highway.
The Praetorian
04-29-2008, 06:19 PM
i kinda miss that car-i should never have let my cousin borrow it.~sigh~
anyhow, sure it's not the big Hemi in the SRT, but even the AWD will smoke good tires at a stop light. have you ever seen 4 tires kicking out smoke at the same time? it's damn impressive!
:) Yeah, that is cool, and in answer to your question, one time; a highly modified Lancer Evo 8 with about 500 WHEEL hp drifting on blacktop in Florida.
BorgHunter
04-29-2008, 06:36 PM
and Impala, and Tahoe, SHO Taurus, and everything else that's ever been submitted as possible for service vehicle use..ever.
I don't recall Ford ever recommending the SHO as a service vehicle. It didn't offer an automatic until 1993, was FWD, and had some engine failure troubles on the Yamaha V6 they used.
DarkFantasy96
04-29-2008, 08:18 PM
Redneck? "White trash" conjures up images of people living in trailers and selling crystal meth to their toothless neighbors.
There are people who are white trash who aren't rednecks. How about wiggers? Poor or lower middle class white people who live in the city? Hippies? Hardcore punk types? Redneck is a type of white trash (which, by the way, I use very often to describe myself.)
HaVoK
04-29-2008, 09:54 PM
I don't think you can separate the insult from the term. Gays can certainly turn "queer" into a good word, but it's rather hard to spin "trash" into a good thing.How?
BorgHunter
04-29-2008, 10:34 PM
How?
Ask them. They have.
HaVoK
04-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Ask them. They have.Perspective.
Decka
04-29-2008, 10:41 PM
Yea, is gays calling each other queer like black people calling each other niggers? But in this role, it's not racist, it's sexist, or sexual inclination.. ist. LOL
Brooks
04-30-2008, 05:45 AM
Come on, Frannie.
Didn't you hear?
According to Brooks, the sentences he posted were "nearly" quotes.
I guess that's like a woman being "almost" pregnant.
Free, Frannie gave partial quotes to show I was pulling things out of context.
I posted the rest of her sentence to show I accurately represented his statements.
Then I blamed her news source instead of her.
What more do you want?
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 08:42 AM
Yea, is gays calling each other queer like black people calling each other niggers? But in this role, it's not racist, it's sexist, or sexual inclination.. ist. LOL
Exactly. And I can talk about what a redneck I am all I want, but if some snooty city slicker says it in a derogatory manner, I'd certainly take is as the insult they meant it to be. It's sort of about who says it, but not entirely... More like HOW they say it.
BorgHunter
04-30-2008, 09:49 AM
but if some snooty city slicker
"City slicker"? What is this, some cheesy Western movie?
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 09:56 AM
"City slicker"? What is this, some cheesy Western movie?
Joke?
BorgHunter
04-30-2008, 09:58 AM
Joke?
Ditto?
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 10:02 AM
That's what I was asking.
The Praetorian
04-30-2008, 10:08 AM
...if some snooty city slicker says it in a derogatory manner...
LOL!
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 10:11 AM
LOL!
:D I was half-serious about that. But I just want to point out that HOW something is said is more important than who says it, and both of those things make a difference.
The Praetorian
04-30-2008, 10:34 AM
Oh, I fully agree...
Decka
04-30-2008, 11:23 AM
Dark, i get what you are saying.. but it is all so depending on how fragile each person is, and what their personality is etc...
How do you define a "city slicker"... and what defines a demeaning tone? Why not just let everyone say the word, and not have these racial, socialeconomic, or sexual double standards.
HaVoK
04-30-2008, 11:24 AM
:D I was half-serious about that. But I just want to point out that HOW something is said is more important than who says it, and both of those things make a difference.A word is a word. The only words i can see we should censure at all are words like fire or bomb that cause panic when used.
To me, a black man saying "nigger" is no different that a white man saying it. I dont understand why so many make that distinction?
Decka
04-30-2008, 11:27 AM
A word is a word. The only words i can see we should censure at all are words like fire or bomb that cause panic when used.
To me, a black man saying "nigger" is no different that a white man saying it. I dont understand why so many make that distinction?
because it's socially accepted racism.. that's why.
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 11:31 AM
How do you define a "city slicker"... and what defines a demeaning tone? Why not just let everyone say the word, and not have these racial, socialeconomic, or sexual double standards.
The "city slicker" thing was a joke, Decka. I've lived in the city far more than the country.
And yes, everyone can say what they want. My point was exactly that - HOW it's said is the most important factor, not who says it.
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 11:33 AM
To me, a black man saying "nigger" is no different that a white man saying it. I dont understand why so many make that distinction?
I don't say the N word because I think it's offensive. Black people can say it to each other all they want, but the fact that they say it doesn't make it OK for me to say it.
Decka
04-30-2008, 11:33 AM
well tell that to every black person... as i watch every one of them hug each other and say "what's up nigga"... but If I utter the word, it sears through the air like a hot knife in butter and i'm some racist asshole. I ain't the racist asshole, they are.
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 11:40 AM
well tell that to every black person... as i watch every one of them hug each other and say "what's up nigga"... but If I utter the word, it sears through the air like a hot knife in butter and i'm some racist asshole. I ain't the racist asshole, they are.
A black person saying the N word to another black person is not racist. Even a white guy saying "nigga" to his black friends is not racist, if you ask me. Racism is the differentiating between races based on the belief that one is superior to the other. The fact is that the word has taken on a new meaning culturally, which I think is a good thing. The fact that we can take a derogatory word and gradually change its meaning to something that is not inherently insulting is not, as you seem to believe, a sign that the world is ending.
The Praetorian
04-30-2008, 12:02 PM
And yes, everyone can say what they want. My point was exactly that - HOW it's said is the most important factor, not who says it.
Well, I think that's key to communication, in general. There's a lot more to the spoken word than the "word" itself.
HaVoK
04-30-2008, 12:15 PM
I don't say the N word because I think it's offensive. Black people can say it to each other all they want, but the fact that they say it doesn't make it OK for me to say it.LoL...thats your fear of the unknown talking, imo.
How can any intelligent person think a word has such negative impact that they cant use it, but feels its ok for a certain ethnicity to say it? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
The Praetorian
04-30-2008, 12:24 PM
LoL...thats your fear of the unknown talking, imo.
How can any intelligent person think a word has such negative impact that they cant use it, but feels its ok for a certain ethnicity to say it? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
I tend to agree.
Decka
04-30-2008, 12:50 PM
while your utopian thoughts are comforting dark.. the sad truth is that black people will still call each other niggers, and if I did the same thing, in the same context, even with an attempted hug or friendly tone.. i'd get my ass whipped by 10, or at the least a ghostly look...
paulaorcas
04-30-2008, 01:31 PM
well tell that to every black person... as i watch every one of them hug each other and say "what's up nigga"... but If I utter the word, it sears through the air like a hot knife in butter and i'm some racist asshole. I ain't the racist asshole, they are.
i agree. im on the side of the people that dont understand why they think they can say it and we cant.
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 05:39 PM
while your utopian thoughts are comforting dark.. the sad truth is that black people will still call each other niggers, and if I did the same thing, in the same context, even with an attempted hug or friendly tone.. i'd get my ass whipped by 10, or at the least a ghostly look...
Yeah, right now. But I think that eventually the world will become less and less derogatory and at some point there will be no negative connotations to it at all. I was talking about a process... a slow process...
Jester
04-30-2008, 06:19 PM
while your utopian thoughts are comforting dark.. the sad truth is that black people will still call each other niggers, and if I did the same thing, in the same context, even with an attempted hug or friendly tone.. i'd get my ass whipped by 10, or at the least a ghostly look...
I have to disagree with you there. I've seen white people do that and have nothing happen to them.
The Praetorian
04-30-2008, 06:29 PM
I have to disagree with you there. I've seen white people do that and have nothing happen to them.
Where? In South Korea?
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 06:45 PM
I have to disagree with you there. I've seen white people do that and have nothing happen to them.
Oh so have I. Most of the black people I know would definitely just laugh...
Jester
04-30-2008, 06:52 PM
Where? In South Korea?
Like I've said before, things aren't as bad as you and Decka make them out to be.
The Praetorian
04-30-2008, 07:02 PM
Oh, really....
And you wouldn't fear reprisal in a black neighborhood for saying such a thing? Pardon me while I stand back and watch (preferably in an armored vehicle).
Jester
04-30-2008, 07:08 PM
And you wouldn't fear reprisal in a black neighborhood for saying such a thing?
Considering that I've seen it happen, no I wouldn't. But I don't talk like that anyway.
Freethinker
04-30-2008, 09:01 PM
Free, Frannie gave partial quotes to show I was pulling things out of context.
I posted the rest of her sentence to show I accurately represented his statements.
Then I blamed her news source instead of her.
What more do you want?
Brooks, it seems to me that you took a statement of Wright's --
“When schools were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my school freaked out. Why? Because black kids wouldn't stay in their place.”
And translated it -for the purposes of making a point in this thread- as Wright having made the statment; “black kids climb on the desks at school when they are supposed to be learning.”
That strikes me as a very dishonest characterization of what was said.....and thus a somewhat misleading characterization of what sort of person Wright is.
MeskDXB
04-30-2008, 09:02 PM
That strikes me as a very dishonest characterization of what was said.....and thus a somewhat misleading characterization of what sort of person Wright is.
Are you surprised?
mikezila
04-30-2008, 09:10 PM
Brooks, it seems to me that you took a statement of Wright's --
“When schools were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my school freaked out. Why? Because black kids wouldn't stay in their place.”
And translated it -for the purposes of making a point in this thread- as Wright having made the statment; “black kids climb on the desks at school when they are supposed to be learning.”
That strikes me as a very dishonest characterization of what was said.....and thus a somewhat misleading characterization of what sort of person Wright is.
that must be why Obama finaly disowned him...he saw what the rest of us have been seeing.
MeskDXB
04-30-2008, 09:13 PM
that must be why Obama finaly disowned him...he saw what the rest of us have been seeing.
Well that's another issue. The fact that Brooks took it out of context is another issue.
Obama is distancing himself because Wright is somewhat of a loose canon and extremist.
mikezila
04-30-2008, 09:22 PM
Well that's another issue. The fact that Brooks took it out of context is another issue.
Obama is distancing himself because Wright is somewhat of a loose canon and extremist.
i'm starting to think Obama and Hillary are both setting themselves up for 2012.
MeskDXB
04-30-2008, 09:25 PM
i'm starting to think Obama and Hillary are both setting themselves up for 2012.
I wish Hillary had run in 2004 instead of that bore Kerry. I think she missed her chance then. There was no obama then, not even close.
CarbonBasedLife
04-30-2008, 09:57 PM
i'm starting to think Obama and Hillary are both setting themselves up for 2012.
Can Hillary ever realistically beat Obama? Obama's weakness is experience which he's obviously going to gain as time goes on.
mikezila
04-30-2008, 10:04 PM
Can Hillary ever realistically beat Obama? Obama's weakness is experience which he's obviously going to gain as time goes on.
has anyone ever ran again after getting pantsed in a general election?
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 10:12 PM
has anyone ever ran again after getting pantsed in a general election?
Nixon lost to Kennedy in 1960 and then went on to win in '68. It was a close race though.
MeskDXB
04-30-2008, 10:18 PM
Nixon lost to Kennedy in 1960 and then went on to win in '68. It was a close race though.
How do you know this stuff? Did you just look it up or was it just sitting in your brain?
HaVoK
04-30-2008, 10:48 PM
Considering that I've seen it happen, no I wouldn't. But I don't talk like that anyway.
I call bullshit on this. You're not living in the real world if you believe you can waltz into a predominately black neighborhood and say the word "nigger" just one time so it can be heard, and not recieve a savage beat down at the least.
Having done many years of service work in such neighborhoods, I would'nt even want to witness what would happen to you if you were dumb enough to try it.
BorgHunter
04-30-2008, 10:51 PM
How do you know this stuff? Did you just look it up or was it just sitting in your brain?
Uh...it's pretty common knowledge to anyone who knows recent U.S. history. Including a big reason why Nixon lost (the first televised debate, where Nixon looked sweaty and unkempt). In fact, there was some talk about Al Gore "pulling a Nixon" in 2008 until he ended up not running.
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 11:02 PM
How do you know this stuff? Did you just look it up or was it just sitting in your brain?
Well we just talked about it in history class, but I did already know. I'm like a sponge for useless or semi-useless trivia.
DarkFantasy96
04-30-2008, 11:03 PM
Uh...it's pretty common knowledge to anyone who knows recent U.S. history. Including a big reason why Nixon lost (the first televised debate, where Nixon looked sweaty and unkempt). In fact, there was some talk about Al Gore "pulling a Nixon" in 2008 until he ended up not running.
Oh yes, the beginning of the Age Of TV, and the better looking candidate swings the election with his nice hair and straight white teeth. :thumbs:
MeskDXB
05-01-2008, 04:29 AM
Uh...it's pretty common knowledge to anyone who knows recent U.S. history. Including a big reason why Nixon lost (the first televised debate, where Nixon looked sweaty and unkempt). In fact, there was some talk about Al Gore "pulling a Nixon" in 2008 until he ended up not running.
Pretty common knowledge huh? I don't really like your condescending tone. I see you spend a lot of time on AFN and at the same time complaining that you don't make enough being a TA or whatever. Instead of spending so much time on here, why don't you get another job?
MeskDXB
05-01-2008, 04:29 AM
Well we just talked about it in history class, but I did already know. I'm like a sponge for useless or semi-useless trivia.
Thanks for the proper reply.
DarkFantasy96
05-01-2008, 05:58 AM
Pretty common knowledge huh? I don't really like your condescending tone. I see you spend a lot of time on AFN and at the same time complaining that you don't make enough being a TA or whatever. Instead of spending so much time on here, why don't you get another job?
I know he's probably too offended to tell you this, but he has been applying for jobs.
BorgHunter
05-01-2008, 09:09 AM
Pretty common knowledge huh? I don't really like your condescending tone. I see you spend a lot of time on AFN and at the same time complaining that you don't make enough being a TA or whatever. Instead of spending so much time on here, why don't you get another job?
Please show me where I have been "complaining". People like you and Evil Homer have attempted to tell me how to spend what money I do have (which makes me the condescending one?) and I tried to explain that I'm not making enough money to be able to defend donations rationally. Why don't you mind your own fucking business, hmm? Maybe if you spent your time studying history instead of telling other people what to do, you wouldn't be so goddamn ignorant?
The Praetorian
05-01-2008, 10:09 AM
Obama is distancing himself because Wright is somewhat of a loose canon and extremist.
Ya THINK!?
The Praetorian
05-01-2008, 10:20 AM
I know he's probably too offended to tell you this, but he has been applying for jobs.
He'll be just fine. I know we don't agree on politics, but Borg's gonna make a lot of money someday (if he wants to). And he may not want to admit this, but he's pretty staunchly conservative in the fiscal department (in the classic sense).
HaVoK
05-01-2008, 10:21 AM
Please show me where I have been "complaining". People like you and Evil Homer have attempted to tell me how to spend what money I do have (which makes me the condescending one?) and I tried to explain that I'm not making enough money to be able to defend donations rationally. Why don't you mind your own fucking business, hmm? Maybe if you spent your time studying history instead of telling other people what to do, you wouldn't be so goddamn ignorant?Ouch. Hit a nerve, did he?
Just so you know, not everyone is 18-19 years old and still in school. Lets see you retain all your knowledge 20 years after you get in the real world. (Job)
The Praetorian
05-01-2008, 10:25 AM
Lets see you retain all your knowledge 20 years after you get in the real world. (Job)
The two scenarios aren't mutually exclusive, Havok.
primitive man
05-01-2008, 10:40 AM
while your utopian thoughts are comforting dark.. the sad truth is that black people will still call each other niggers, and if I did the same thing, in the same context, even with an attempted hug or friendly tone.. i'd get my ass whipped by 10, or at the least a ghostly look...
it is just ignorance. there are a lot of black people who do NOT call each other nigger or nigga. in the "old" days in my time as far back as the 60's and 70's if one black called another a nigger it was a derogatory remark. as in having a slave mentality. kissin duh massas ass, ya know?
just think. a lot of blacks move from slavery to non-slavery, but still face extreme racism both socially and economically. which places them in some of the worst places in the world. as in "the projects" slums, etc.. then a mentality springs from this. and NOW is reinforced by tv.
i'm not sayin blacks or anyone should act like "white" people. what ever that means.
but everyone should develop some sense of self respect socially, and for themselves.
i'd like to see half of the "brothers" who use nigga and nigger go to africa and call someone there that and they know what it means. (not the british meaning, which means "brown" or "black", but the offensive american meaning.) i loved richard pryors message of where he went to africa and he noticed the people there didn't call each other that. not even in jest. or a sense of brotherhood.
people who do that, to me, is no different than the slave mentality where the slave likes being a slave, and acts like an idiot to please his master.
BorgHunter
05-01-2008, 11:30 AM
And he may not want to admit this, but he's pretty staunchly conservative in the fiscal department (in the classic sense).
I've said that myself numerous times.
Jester
05-01-2008, 11:47 AM
I call bullshit on this. You're not living in the real world if you believe you can waltz into a predominately black neighborhood and say the word "nigger" just one time so it can be heard, and not recieve a savage beat down at the least.
Having done many years of service work in such neighborhoods, I would'nt even want to witness what would happen to you if you were dumb enough to try it.
Let me correct myself... I haven't seen it happen in a black neighborhood, as I mistakenly implied. I have, however, seen white people use the word "nigga" (in the same way a black person would use it) around groups of black people without getting any kind of reaction at all.
MichelleG.
05-01-2008, 12:57 PM
Let me correct myself... I haven't seen it happen in a black neighborhood, as I mistakenly implied. I have, however, seen white people use the word "nigga" (in the same way a black person would use it) around groups of black people without getting any kind of reaction at all.
I've called and been called that before by some black friends,they laughed it off and all was good.
Would I go walking around East Detroit yelling "N***er"? Hell no! I do like living.