Hagee Says Hurricane Katrina Struck New Orleans Because It Was ‘Planning A Sinful’ ‘Homosexual Rally' (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/hagee-katrina-mccain/)

On September 18, 2006, Pastor John Hagee — whose endorsement Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said this past Sunday he was “glad to have” — told NPR’s Terry Gross that “Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.” “New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God,” Hagee said, because “there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.”

On his radio show yesterday, right-wing talker Dennis Prager asked Hagee to respond to “the various charges made against him” in a fact sheet put out by the Democratic National Committee. Asked about his comments on Hurricane Katrina, Hagee said “the topic of that day was cursing and blessing”:

HAGEE: Yes. The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. … What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it’s called a curse.

Prager followed up by asking if all natural disasters are a result of “the divine hand” and if there is “any natural disaster that is not the result of sin?” Hagee responded by saying “it’s a result of God’s permissible will” and “that there was going to be a massive homosexual rally there the following Monday,” which he said “was sin”:

PRAGER: Right, but in the case, did NPR get, is this quote correct though that in the case of New Orleans you do feel it was sin?

HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.

PRAGER: No, I understand.

HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.

PRAGER: No, I’m only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God’s hand was in it because of a sinful city?

HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.

Unconvinced by Hagee’s explanation, Prager said “frankly” that critics “can get you” for those comments “because people don’t like to hear that sort of thing.”

In February, after working hard to gain Hagee’s endorsement, McCain said he was “very honored” to receive it. Since then, he has both “repudiate[d]” and defended Hagee’s anti-Catholic and “anti-anything” remarks. But as Think Progress has noted, McCain has never specifically commented on Hagee’s offensive beliefs about Hurricane Katrina or his anti-gay comments.

What do you all think? Does Mr. McCain agree with the pastor whose endorsement he sought and appreciates, or doesn't he?

Hagee ... fat, sawed-off cretin fleecing folks world-wide from San Antonio, TX.

Oh yeah, anything that turd-bucket says is certainly newsworthy.

As newsworthy as anything Jeremiah Wright says?

What do you all think? Does Mr. McCain agree with the pastor whose endorsement he sought and appreciates, or doesn't he?

And if he does not agree with him, why did he seek out his endorsement?

And if he does not agree with him, why did he seek out his endorsement?

That's the $64,000 question. :thumbs:

As newsworthy as anything Jeremiah Wright says?
it was back when he said it.

Fran, is the purpose of this thread to continue to attempt to equate the McCain/Hagee relationship with Obama and Wright's?

Fran, is the purpose of this thread to continue to attempt to equate the McCain/Hagee relationship with Obama and Wright's?

You don't think that McCain's seeking out the endorsement of someone who says God "cursed" America is enough of an issue on it's own?

You don't think that McCain's seeking out the endorsement of someone who says God "cursed" America is enough of an issue on it's own?
has cursed, or should damn?

has cursed, or should damn?

He said he has cursed. (post #1)
You really think he is going to say God was wrong?

He said he has cursed. (post #1)
You really think he is going to say God was wrong?
you missed the comparison.

you missed the comparison.

I get you. My point is that there is no difference.

By saying God did it, it is assumed that it should be.

Final authority and all that.

I get you. My point is that there is no difference.

By saying God did it, it is assumed that it should be.

Final authority and all that.
if God had wanted robots, he would have made us that way instead of giving us Free Will.

Fran, is the purpose of this thread to continue to attempt to equate the McCain/Hagee relationship with Obama and Wright's?

The purpose of this thread is to look a bit more closely at one of the individuals Mr. McCain has invited to stand next to him for support in his bid for the presidency, and to question whether or not Mr. McCain shares that individual's homophobic, anti-semitic, anti-Roman Catholic Church views.

The purpose of this thread is to look a bit more closely at one of the individuals Mr. McCain has invited to stand next to him for support in his bid for the presidency, and to question whether or not Mr. McCain shares that individual's homophobic, anti-semitic, anti-Roman Catholic Church views.
I think you're tryin' too hard here, Fran -

In short....

McCain/Hagee = political tie (which, FTR, I find appalling, BTW)

Obama/Wright = highly personal, political, and long time tie (i.e. if it walks like a duck....)

I think you're tryin' too hard here, Fran -

In short....

McCain/Hagee = political tie (which, FTR, I find appalling, BTW)

Obama/Wright = highly personal, political, and long time tie (i.e. if it walks like a duck....)

They've both distanced themselves from their "supporter's" comments.

I like what Bill O'Reilly said about Obama, when he said "He denounced Wright's comments, but he didn't throw Wright under the bus, and I respect Obama's loyalty for that". The same can be said of McCain.

Why can't people accept the fact that you can dislike someone's view on something without severing all ties with them? Most of us have had friends/family members with an extreme opinion...do you end that relationship?

Unless Hagee or Wright are running for President, these are non-issues.

if God had wanted robots, he would have made us that way instead of giving us Free Will.

What does Katrina have to do with free will?
It was an act of God.
An act that Rev Hagee says indicates God has "cursed" us.

I like what Bill O'Reilly said about Obama, when he said "He denounced Wright's comments, but he didn't throw Wright under the bus, and I respect Obama's loyalty for that".
I do too. As a matter of fact, it's made it very easy for me to pick another candidate.
The same can be said of McCain.
McCain's an asshole, but I'll take him over Obama any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Obama's "platform" alone is enough to send any rational person running for the hills. Don't ask for any details or experience, let's just hope he's the man for the job, and I'm sure we'll be taken care of...
Most of us have had friends/family members with an extreme opinion...do you end that relationship?
Of course not. It's the nature, length, and quality of their friendship that concerns me.
Unless Hagee or Wright are running for President, these are non-issues.
Nonsense. They're very telling, and my guess is, unlike Obama, McCain won't run to "consult" his whacko for his "advice" upon being elected President of the United States (like Obama did when he won his senate seat). McCain probably won't dedicate two books in Hagee's honor, nor has he attended his services, and as far as I know, McCain hasn't given him 20+ years of "deeply personal" friendship, which is, as you know, NOT something you do if you find the PASTOR we're talking about to be a morally repugnant separatist, who HATES his country; the very country you're looking to LEAD. Being the liberal you are, I'm sure you wanna overlook this STRIKINGLY obvious issue, but if we vote that smarmy, racist, consummate politician into office, then surely - we'll get what we deserve.

What does Katrina have to do with free will?
It was an act of God.
An act that Rev Hagee says indicates God has "cursed" us.
you're confusing an act of god with an act of divine intervention, but that's ok, it's a common mistake.

but while we're here-if sitting in a city under sea-level with a hurricane coming isn't the clearest example of bad life choices, i don't know what is.

you're confusing an act of god with an act of divine intervention, but that's ok, it's a common mistake.


No, I am not.

No, I am not.
yes you are. an act of god is an event that can not be reasonably foreseen, like a tornado. divine intervention is something so bizarre that it defies conventional explanation, like tornado tearing apart a house, and a baby being found in his crib 300 ft away-unhurt beyond scrapes.

Riiiiiiight and which one do you think Rev Hagee was referring to that makes what he said okie dokie in your mind?

Riiiiiiight and which one do you think Rev Hagee was referring to that makes what he said okie dokie in your mind?
i'm still trying to figure out why you can't make the distinction between an observation (wrong, but beside the point), and a hope (also wrong).

for what it's worth, i don't think God sent hurricanes to LA, if he was still into that sort of thing, NYC and SF would be continually wet.

i'm still trying to figure out why you can't make the distinction between an observation (wrong, but beside the point), and a hope (also wrong).

I have yet to see anyone demonstrate that Rev Wright hopes for that. What I heard in his sermons were observations.



for what it's worth, i don't think God sent hurricanes to LA, if he was still into that sort of thing, NYC and SF would be continually wet.
LOL
That is true.

I have yet to see anyone demonstrate that Rev Wright hopes for that. What I heard in his sermons were observations.

"they want us to sing "God Bless America"??....no, no, no..."God Damn America".."

that sounds more like a wish to me.

"they want us to sing "God Bless America"??....no, no, no..."God Damn America".."

One piece of one sentence does not a complete thought make.

And it certainly does not lend to comprehension.

One piece of one sentence does not a complete thought make.

And it certainly does not lend to comprehension.
i was kind enough to leave out the laundry list of urban myths that makes him look like a more of a kook.

Would they also be in partial sentences? ;)

"Looking like a kook" for repeating urban legends is just not comparable in my mind to saying that God "curses" America for tolerating homosexuals.

Whats more the relationships are not even comparable.

Wright just happened to be the pastor of Obama's church.

John Sidney McCain III sought out Hagee and Parsley for their political endorsements.

What do you all think? Does Mr. McCain agree with the pastor whose endorsement he sought and appreciates, or doesn't he?

Even if Sen. McCain does agree, he would say he wouldn't. And the same thing goes for Sen. Obama. If he agreed with Rev. Wright, he would say he wouldn't. I don't think politicians really can display their true opinions. Sticking close to party lines is all that really matters. That and furthering their political careers. We see this with all the three of the front-runners.

I do too. As a matter of fact, it's made it very easy for me to pick another candidate.

McCain's an asshole, but I'll take him over Obama any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Obama's "platform" alone is enough to send any rational person running for the hills. Don't ask for any details or experience, let's just hope he's the man for the job, and I'm sure we'll be taken care of...

Of course not. It's the nature, length, and quality of their friendship that concerns me.

Nonsense. They're very telling, and my guess is, unlike Obama, McCain won't run to "consult" his whacko for his "advice" upon being elected President of the United States (like Obama did when he won his senate seat). McCain probably won't dedicate two books in Hagee's honor, nor has he attended his services, and as far as I know, McCain hasn't given him 20+ years of "deeply personal" friendship, which is, as you know, NOT something you do if you find the PASTOR we're talking about to be a morally repugnant separatist, who HATES his country; the very country you're looking to LEAD. Being the liberal you are, I'm sure you wanna overlook this STRIKINGLY obvious issue, but if we vote that smarmy, racist, consummate politician into office, then surely - we'll get what we deserve.

Being the liberal I am, it might surprise you that if the election were between McCain and Obama, I am leaning slightly toward McCain, and I've stated in the past (probably about two years ago) that if 2008 came down to McCain vs. Hillary, I'd vote for McCain (I don't believe much of what Hillary says). McCain was the one person running on the Republican side that I kind of like.

McCain isn't that bad. He at least seems like he's able to compromise. Obama also seems somewhat like that, although admittedly McCain has proven his compromising ability much more in the past. Hillary seems like she would be more polarizing and less able to get things done over party lines.

Whats more the relationships are not even comparable.

Wright just happened to be the pastor of Obama's church.

?!?!?

"happened to be".............???!

Come on, dharma. I have to take issue with you on this one.

Obama chose the church he'd attend, and we can be 100% confident he knew exactly who the preacher (Wright) at that church was.

I mean sure, Jeremiah Wright IS (contrary to what practically every white person in America wants to believe and wants to have other people believe) telling the absolute unvarnished truth about America when he points out the horrible racism that --collectively-- the American populace has subjected the black race to, and the discrimination that blacks have suffered in America. It should be NO surprise to anyone that what he has seen black people being subjected to has caused him to be angry. Very angry. He, after all, sees things for what they are in America and is not afraid to say so.

Wright is correct in his pronouncements about America.........and I for one would have NO problem with Obama admitting it and embracing the remarks.

But no black man in America who tells the truth (concerning how America has treated and continues to treat blacks) is ever going to be elected.

Obama would not have the slightest chance of being elected to any public office, not even as dogcatcher, if he came out and said --"Yes, my preacher, the Reverend Wright is telling it like it is, and I agree with him, and white America needs to admit it and face the truth."...........so naturally, the politician Obama will do (and is doing) everything in his power to distance himself from Wright.

But to say that Wright just "happened to be" the pastor where Obama went to church (where he chose to attend church) is a bit of a dodge, don't you think?

Nonsense. They're very telling, and my guess is, unlike Obama, McCain won't run to "consult" his whacko for his "advice" upon being elected President of the United States (like Obama did when he won his senate seat).

The problem I have is with trying to link some crazy opinions of Wright's to Obama, I don't see it...just like I don't think McCain feels the same way about gay people as Hagee does.

Sure, you can hear select quotes from Wright and come to the conclusion that he is racist, but tell me what you've heard Obama say that makes Obama "racist"? When you say "Obama ran to consult Wright for advice upon being elected to the Senate", please tell me what racist legislation Obama initiated or supported as a result? Maybe he was consulting him on the issues he preached about 99% of the time he went to his services...stuff like spirituality and faith. I doubt he went to Wright and said "I've been elected to the Senate, tell me about the 'God Damn America' speech again".

Being the liberal I am, it might surprise you that if the election were between McCain and Obama, I am leaning slightly toward McCain, and I've stated in the past (probably about two years ago) that if 2008 came down to McCain vs. Hillary, I'd vote for McCain (I don't believe much of what Hillary says). McCain was the one person running on the Republican side that I kind of like.
Well, remember that as John Sidney McCain III is turning the Supreme Court into the most Right Wing court we have ever seen that will roll back our liberties and turn us into a full fledged corporatocracy faster than you can say "Oops, I bought into the media hype and voted for the wrong guy". McCain is the second most partisan Repub in the Senate after John Kyl.

The problem I have is with trying to link some crazy opinions of Wright's to Obama, I don't see it......

I doubt he (Obama) went to Wright and said "I've been elected to the Senate, tell me about the 'God Damn America' speech again".
I've heard Wright unequivocally disparage this country and white people in EVERYTHING he's ever said (and NO, it's not because I'm predisposed to "hearing" it in his speeches; HE TAKES SOLACE IN IT - end of story). And to clarify, I'm not just talking about the highly popularized, cherry-picked sound bites of his rantings, either (which are a dime-a-dozen, mind you, but I digress).

In short, you don't become a long time, dedicated, and devoted "friend" to someone like that unless they were "preaching to the choir", so-to-speak. How people can deny that FACT is fucking MINDBLOWING, IMO.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Mcain got endorsed by some crackpot and won't reject it donesn't make the Obama?Wright thing suddenly OK. They are both wrong. It is just sad that certain people here can not admit when their candidate is wrong, dhrama.

There is nothing "wrong" with the "Obama/Wright thing" that still needs to be made "Ok".

It is old news now.

But McCain hasn't been covered anywhere near as much, so it is still a fresh story.

Obama finally decided to denounce his pastor after 20 years of friendship, 2 books, and thousands of dollars because, well...."he didn't know him as well as he thought he did". LOL - does he actually expect anyone to buy his "honest" explanation being that he's.....uh.....you know, incidentally down in the polls, and all?

Pfffft - what a fuckin' joker.

Obama finally decided to denounce his pastor after 20 years of friendship, 2 books, and thousands of dollars because, well...."he didn't know him as well as he thought he did". LOL - does he actually expect anyone to buy his "honest" explanation being that he's.....uh.....you know, incidentally down in the polls, and all?

Pfffft - what a fuckin' joker.
i fully expected to see that story have it's own thread.

if we vote that smarmy, racist, consummate politician into office, then surely - we'll get what we deserve.

I'm still waiting for you to back up the "racist" argument you made. I don't see where the "smarmy" remark comes from either.

I'm still waiting for you to back up the "racist" argument you made. I don't see where the "smarmy" remark comes from either.

Good luck with that. Prat is one of those trolls who should have been banned a long, long time ago.

Good luck with that. Prat is one of those trolls who should have been banned a long, long time ago.
And who the fuck are you, exactly? I mean, outside of the hack everyone here loathes....