I seriously question Obama's judgement on things. There is no good explanation why he refused to put his hand over his heart like everybody else did. After all he's running for President of the United States!

http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/snopesbinary/Politics/?action=view&current=abc_obama_anthem_071022a.flv

Because though he knows about foreign countries well, he doesn't know America.

I seriously question Obama's judgement on things. There is no good explanation why he refused to put his hand over his heart like everybody else did. After all he's running for President of the United States!

http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/snopesbinary/Politics/?action=view&current=abc_obama_anthem_071022a.flv

A. You are thinking of the pledge of allegiance. Not the Star Spangled Banner.

B. This is an old story so that has been pointed out numerous times in the past.

oh not this again...

It may be a tradition [I dont know] to place your hand over your heart, but this is getten ridiculous.

If you place your hand over your heart when the pledge is recited or the flag is passing by it is a sign of respect. The fact that you have done so might go unnoticed and unremarked on because it is so commonplace.

When you refuse to place your hand over your heart in those instances it is a sign of disrespect and will sure be noticed and commented on.

Not placing one's hand over the heart is a childish, in-your-face action. You are advertising your lack of respect for the symbols of your country.

If you place your hand over your heart when the pledge is recited or the flag is passing by it is a sign of respect. The fact that you have done so might go unnoticed and unremarked on because it is so commonplace.

When you refuse to place your hand over your heart in those instances it is a sign of disrespect and will sure be noticed and commented on.

Not placing one's hand over the heart is a childish, in-your-face action. You are advertising your lack of respect for the symbols of your country.

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I sometimes place me hand on me crotch when in the heat of
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Gotta mean somthin.

Well, people don't care emotion of anyone from shape. Most of people look just shape of another. So, when there is a person who touches his heart, people see him that he respects American spirits even if the man hides having another emotion, and vice versa.
If you cry that such people must be stupid, maybe so. But such people vote in the election, and such people make society. No one can force them to change. Therefore, people try to take something to fit others by any way by the shape. So, I guess it's not necessality to have to butter up everybody anytime, but never make enemies of a lot of people. These ways are very different.

If you place your hand over your heart when the pledge is recited or the flag is passing by it is a sign of respect. The fact that you have done so might go unnoticed and unremarked on because it is so commonplace.

When you refuse to place your hand over your heart in those instances it is a sign of disrespect and will sure be noticed and commented on.

Not placing one's hand over the heart is a childish, in-your-face action. You are advertising your lack of respect for the symbols of your country.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what obama was going for! - ridiculous!.

big deal. i don't place a hand over heart, ever. even when a kid. got into a lot of trouble for that one in school.
the only time i show respect for nationalistic stuff is when a soldier is being buried and taps is playing. respect for him, not a country.

out of everything else wrong in this world and all the BS being tossed around in this election people choose this to make a big stink out of? :rolleyes:

It's not required. You don't have to do it. You're not necessarily unpatriotic if you don't.

But Frogger's right - it's a sign of respect.

You don't have to shake someone's hand, or remove your hat in church, or be quiet at a funeral or listen to someone talking to you.

In fact, you never have to show respect at all.

But what do you think of someone like that?

I dunno guys. I never hold my hand to my heart during the National Anthem. It's not out of disrespect, just...habit I guess. I stand at attention an hold my hands behind my back, facing the flag. What's so disrespectful about that?

Look kids, its Mt. Conservative Talking Point!

http://www.humeseeds.com/molehill.jpg

Its made entirely from minute non-issues like flag-pins and whether not putting your hand over your heart for the star spangled banner means you are really a secret Muslim mole for Al Queda.

This is what Conservatives in America are reduced to these days.

big deal. i don't place a hand over heart, ever.
Case in point.

It's not required. You don't have to do it. You're not necessarily unpatriotic if you don't.

But Frogger's right - it's a sign of respect.

You don't have to shake someone's hand, or remove your hat in church, or be quiet at a funeral or listen to someone talking to you.

In fact, you never have to show respect at all.

But what do you think of someone like that?
Exactly.

Exactly.

Kinda like Bush making funny faces in the pre-press conference. Yes, the press conference in which he announced that we are sending troops over to Iraq. Now that's not disrespectful to the troops who were going there to risk their lives and of course many died? Sorry I keep forgetting Bush is saved! (yes, prae I mentioned religion and Bush in same sentence - so you can attack me now).

You guys give Bush so much slack yet you are jumping all over Obama for this ONE pic??? smells of something.....

Pretty lame comparison, Mesk.

But anyway, what do you think of a person as I described?

It's not required. You don't have to do it. You're not necessarily unpatriotic if you don't.

But Frogger's right - it's a sign of respect.

You don't have to shake someone's hand, or remove your hat in church, or be quiet at a funeral or listen to someone talking to you.

In fact, you never have to show respect at all.

But what do you think of someone like that?

Are you trying to insinuate that Senator Obama acts like that?

He's not required to put his hand over his heart. Doing so is just a sign of respect. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not showing a sign of respect, in any form, is a statement about yourself.

He's not required to put his hand over his heart.

I agree with that.

Doing so is just a sign of respect.

I disagree. I think it is a matter of habit and how you were taught as a child.

Respect IS taught... it is not a instinct.

Respect IS taught... it is not a instinct.

Nature and nurture are both factors in a developing personality.

Pretty lame comparison, Mesk.

But anyway, what do you think of a person as I described?

How is it lame? Why don't repubs get all hot and bothered about Bush's actions and disrespecting the troops? I don't understand how he keeps getting a free pass.

Now, about judging a person (obama) just based on ONE pic of him not holding his had to his heart, I think you are reading too much into it. IT IS ONE PIC! And the reason why this ONE PIC was circulated has obviously worked on many simple minds as it can be seen. (However Brooks I don't think of you as a simple mind and quite enjoy reading your posts and replies.)

Using "unpatriotic" as an attack is the common norm of the right wing. Remember, if we question the government then we are unpatriotic - forget the hand over heart thing.

1. Why don't repubs get all hot and bothered about Bush's actions and disrespecting the troops?
2. I think you are reading too much into it. Using "unpatriotic" as an attack is the common norm of the right wing.
1. I don't see the comparison. If the President showed disrespect while talking about the troops I could see your point. But how long before a press conference begins is the president's behavior linked to the subject matter? Ten minutes? Five minutes? One?
Though I do feel, as you probably do also, that a president just shouldn't be making stupid faces in public at all. Since we're talking about respect here, that's disrespectful to the office.

2. I was trying to be careful not to make that particular accusation:
"You're not necessarily unpatriotic if you don't.
But Frogger's right - it's a sign of respect."

If the President showed disrespect while talking about the troops I could see your point.


He did. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4608166/)

He did. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4608166/)
Making faces during the press conference is embarassing.
Letterman's clip of him spitting is embarassing and disrespectful.
But that bad "joke" you linked to was clearly self-deprecating.

If he jokes about the fact that the weapons haven't been found, who is being made fun of there?
His joke was about a policy error, not the job the troops were doing.

But that bad "joke" you linked to was clearly self-deprecating.

No, clearly it was not. It was mocking the troops who were actually on the ground looking for WMDs.

It was disrespectful.


If he jokes about the fact that the weapons haven't been found, who is being made fun of there?
His joke was about a policy error, not the job the troops were doing.

"policy error" my ass.
He was mocking the people doing the looking, making them look foolish for looking at all.

I think that placing your hand over your heart may be a sign of respect,
tho it doesnt necessarily follow that not doing so is a sign of disrespect.

Some people are more inclined to show their patriotism than others,it doesnt mean their more patriotic.

No, clearly it was not. It was mocking the troops who were actually on the ground looking for WMDs.

Sure he was honey.

Sure he was honey.

Yes, Clearly he was.

Sure he was honey.


Brook, what I am seeing here i that you are ready to forgive Bush and the rightwing for anything and at the same time make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes from the left.

Brook, what I am seeing here i that you are ready to forgive Bush and the rightwing for anything and at the same time make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes from the left.

BINGO!

Give that man a cigar!

He's not required to put his hand over his heart. Doing so is just a sign of respect. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not showing a sign of respect, in any form, is a statement about yourself.


so , since when did the freedom of choice go out the window in america? he wasn't acting like a dick . he was quiet and just standing there. looks respectful to me.
people like you are no different than islamic dicks who cut peoples heads off for not believing and submitting to "allah". piss off.

Brook, what I am seeing here i that you are ready to forgive Bush and the rightwing for anything and at the same time make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes from the left.
Do you think that President Bush would intentionally mock the troops in front of the press.

The debate back then was NOT that there were WMD's and the troops couldn't find them. It was that Bush was wrong about their existence in the first place.
Who is he mocking by pretending he couldn't find the WMD's?

I think he is often embarassing, I just disagree on who he was mocking here.

people like you are no different than islamic dicks who cut peoples heads off for not believing and submitting to "allah". piss off.
Yes, stop me.
Today claiming that putting your hand on your heart is a sign of respect,
tomorrow blowing myself up in a marketplace.

Glad the pot's really helping.

Do you think that President Bush would intentionally mock the troops in front of the press.

There is no question that he would since he did.

There is no question that he would since he did.
I didn't think it would ever happen, but a joke by President Bush actually went over someone's head.

I didn't think it would ever happen, but a joke by President Bush actually went over someone's head.

Yeah... yours.

:lolhit:

Bush takes any action for his own dream, but I guess it doesn't stand on the real. Although people like such dream than real, at least they took not Gore standing on analyzing national power but Bush standing on dream for President, showing dream may be for people. But Bush show dream for himself to see the dream. The dream, that is like playing movie, was like cowboy at one time. Now, the dream may be like world war 2. I mean, generals shake hands each other, and they point on the map to take strategic point, and in the end, they order their force to defeat enemies with bugle. WMD is like B-17 and B-24 flying to bomb in the movie, isn't it? Maybe Bush watched 'The Longest Day.'

But acting such role needs many resources. In fact, America was fashed wartime shortage during 6 years to world war 2.(Around the same time, Japanese people kept their lives like in the dark ages after Roman Empire collapsed, but it's a different story.)

I guess it may be better to play role that Lee in Civil War, who with sigh, caring his fellow into grief, accepting surrender, and saying "It's the end of war, we'll be in the peace together" in the movie now. Such dream may fit us, if it is all the same to us to see dream as the movie. But Bush will never do so.

so , since when did the freedom of choice go out the window in america? he wasn't acting like a dick . he was quiet and just standing there. looks respectful to me.



yep,he did
I mean,he could have been digging in his nose,can you imagine the hoopla if he did that?

I didn't think it would ever happen, but a joke by President Bush actually went over someone's head.

Do you think joking about WMD's is wise wether its about the troops or not?

Also, regarding the press conference in which he is making faces, the decision to send troops did not happen AT the press conference so I don't understand how anybody who is about the declare war could be in such a jovial and fun mood. It shows some sign of psychosis, I'm sure.

But, I'm sure you'll have some nice spin to it and forgive bush because he has "strong morals" and he as accepted Jesus as his saviour.... ALL BULLSHIT!!

I was taught that you put your hand over your heart for the pledge and you stand at attention for the anthem.

It seems very silly to me that there's an expectation for everyone to show respect in exactly the same way.

I was taught that you put your hand over your heart for the pledge and you stand at attention for the anthem.

It seems very silly to me that there's an expectation for everyone to show respect in exactly the same way.


...and on one pic. This pic that has been circulated around did the job it was meant to do. And all these right wing followers are all falling for it! Sheep, I tell ya, sheep!!

ewe wish!

ewe wish!
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