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Pepper
12-23-2003, 06:33 PM
By JONATHAN SALANT, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The first suspected case of mad cow disease in the United States has been discovered in Washington state, but officials took immediate action Tuesday to ensure the safety of American beef.

"We remain confident in the safety of our food supply," Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman told a hastily assembled news conference.

The announcement could have dramatic economic ramifications for the beef industry after earlier scares in Europe heightened consumers' fears that they could contract the disease from eating meat.

Veneman said a single Holstein cow that was either sick or injured — thus never destined for the U.S. food supply — tested presumptively positive for the brain-wasting illness.

"It is too early at this point to say whether or not this will be an isolated case," she said.

Mad cow disease, known also as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, eats holes in the brains of cattle. It sprang up in Britain in 1986 and spread through countries in Europe and Asia, prompting massive destruction of herds and decimating the European beef industry.

A human illness, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, is related to mad cow disease and doctors believe humans get it from eating meat containing infected tissue.


It was not immediately known how this particular cow could have become infected. Scientists believe that the disease is usually transmitted when cattle eat feed containing tissue from a sick animal.

The Food and Drug Administration has banned such feed since 1997.

"This incident is not terrorist-related," Veneman said Tuesday. "I cannot stress this point strongly enough."

Veneman said the apparently diseased cow was found at a farm in Mabton, Wash., about 40 miles southeast of Yakima. She said the farm has been quarantined.

"Even though the risk to human health is minimal, we will take all appropriate actions out of an abundance of caution," she said.

Samples from the cow have been sent to Britain for confirmation of the preliminary mad cow finding, she said.

Mad cow disease has never been found in the United States before this incident despite intensive testing for it.

However, there was a case of mad cow disease in Canada last May that officials described as a single, isolated incident. That cow was suspected to have links to cattle in the United States, but there was never any evidence that the infection had spread into this country.

The United States originally banned imports of Canadian beef, as did other countries. The U.S. and Canadian governments are lobbying international regulators to change the policy of closing borders when mad cow is found so that trade can continue in the case of an isolated incident.

Veneman said a tissue sample from the suspect U.S. cow was taken on Dec. 9 and had been tested at a lab in Ames, Iowa.

She said the Agriculture Department has had safeguards in place since 1990 to check for mad cow disease, and 20,526 cows had been tested in 2003 in the United States.

"This is a clear indication that our surveillance and detection program is working," Veneman said.

She said U.S. beef remains "absolutely safe to eat," adding that she plans to serve it at her Christmas dinner Thursday.

The USDA will frequently update its Web site, and concerned consumer can call a hot line at 1-866-USDA-COM.

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Agriculture Department: http://www.usda.gov

mad dog
12-24-2003, 06:23 AM
Mc D's will have a new line of burger " The Whopper Mind Blower" :D

es347fan
12-24-2003, 06:39 AM
Let's just hope this isn't widespread. Thus far, one cow, at one farm in Washington state.

BorgHunter
12-24-2003, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by mad dog
Mc D's will have a new line of burger " The Whopper Mind Blower" :D
Wouldn't that be Burger King? ;)

silverbulletkc
12-24-2003, 10:15 AM
McD's wouldn't need a mad cow burger to have it jump off the table...they do that when they're normal anyway.

mad dog
12-24-2003, 10:27 AM
Borg you are probably right, like I said in another post I don't eat to much fast food. Of course now that the cows are mad do we still call it fast food, slow food, stupid food, or mad food? :D

All joking aside I do hope it doesn't spread.

DrewM
12-24-2003, 11:16 AM
Just like it was in the UK - this is a big deal over nothing.

They think there might be some connection between mad cow disease and some kind of alzhiemers type condition that shows up maybe 20 - 40 years later, that is if you eat the brain of the cow. In reality not one single case has been tied to eating beef.

They used to use the brains of cattle recycled back as food for other annimals - they don't do that now, but they still feed the rest of the annimal back. This isn't a virus or bug passed on from one annimal to the next - it happens when certain proteins in dead annimals are fed back to other annimals and injested.

Mad cow disease was/is widespread in the UK for over 20 years and nothing bad has ever come of it except for media frenzy.

Mad cow disease is probably widespread in the US and probably has been for years anyway. Considering they make cows into cannibals (which is how it is spread) - it's unlikely it has not surfaced already.

MajiPirate
12-24-2003, 11:31 AM
other than the tremendous economic impact it had on the agriculture community in britain, yeah NO BIG DEAL. i can't wait to see what kind of impact it would have on the world agriculture market for the largest beef producer in the world to go under sanctions like britain did... fun times.

and guys, don't worry about it... McD's served ARGENTINIAN beef. Can't wait though 'til signs on the fast food restraunts say "meat NOT made in america".

DrewM
12-24-2003, 01:47 PM
I didn't say the media wouldn't create a big deal - just that in reality it is not a big deal

In Odder Words
12-24-2003, 10:42 PM
The Bubonic Plague wuz once a funny idea, too, Drew!

Ever heard of an infectious smile? It comes from the grinnin'

feudal age cynics who died laffin'... at the notion of infectious

diseases...


I know this ta be true, 'cuz I just made it up! Hope ya don't have

a... beef... about that! Yeck!

DrewM
12-25-2003, 08:22 PM
Mad Cow Disease is not an infectious disease

es347fan
12-25-2003, 08:31 PM
If you're in the cattle business, Mad Cow Disease is a huge deal. Just the mere mention of it cranks anxiety levels & cancels orders. Look at the list of countries already banning U.S. beef.

" ... Since it was identified in the mid-1980s in Britain, mad cow disease, or BSE, has resulted in the slaughter of millions of cattle -- and the deaths of dozens of people from the related brain-wasting disease known as vCJD. ... ".

It can get very expensive. (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/madcow/)

In Odder Words
12-25-2003, 09:00 PM
I alwayz use ta wunder just what KIND of folks would ever WANNA be a... food taster (as in those who test food before world leaders eat it...)

Drew's perticular view on mad cow disease may provide a... clue...
;)


Sorry, if my comments are givin' ya a headache, Drew... Ya might consider takin' some Tylenol...

Wait! Wuzn't there a time when wunna the active ingredients of Tylenol wuz...

Better try Bufferin instead! "Cyanide! Never HAD it... Never WILL...)

;)

DrewM
12-26-2003, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by es347fan
and the deaths of dozens of people from the related brain-wasting disease known as vCJD. ... ".

This is my point - there are no confirmed cases of CJD in humans related to BSE in cattle - it is 100% speculation with no solid evidence of any kind to tie BSE to CJD

This is why I'm saying it's not a big deal. And to imagine that this is the 1st case in the US of BSE in cattle is just far-fetched.

I'm not saying is that it wouldn't be a big deal in terms of impact to the cattle industry - of course it would, that goes without saying - you can see the impact already.

But, a big deal in reality - in terms of actual impact to humans - there is not much of a real issue.

In Odder Words
12-27-2003, 05:18 PM
I suppose if people are THAT nervous about a little mad cow disease here and there, they COULD change their diets and start eatin' such things as guinea pigs...

...but then, they just might be arrested fer... cannibalism! (That's a good thing fer you, Drew! 'Cuz YOU might not be as hard ta swallow as some of yer ideas...)

;)

DrewM
12-27-2003, 06:04 PM
I'm not the one with fanciful ideas

mad dog
12-29-2003, 07:32 AM
I will agree with Drew on this one, the media is what makes this look worse then what it is. With the medias involvement the farmers take another kick in the arse. Just what this country needed something else to give farmers a hard time :rolleyes:

Pepper
12-29-2003, 01:36 PM
Small farmers are a dying breed. They have had their asses kicked for the past 40 years. When you say poor farmer, think huge agribusinesses.

MajiPirate
12-29-2003, 01:54 PM
you gotta realize, though, pepper, that what some call "huge" agribusinesses are now "small" farmers. even in the 50's a man that had as much land as a "small" farmer today was considered a "rich" farmer. to keep with increasing costs, the farmer has to buy moe land or stock with which to make profits. what happens to "huge" agribusinesses if the mad cow thing gets out of hand... the same things that happened to the "small" farmers.

mad dog
12-29-2003, 03:34 PM
Russia went to those so called huge agribusinesses and look how well they are doing with food???????? Some times big business is not the answer with big business comes big/more paychecks. With more paychecks comes higher prices for the consumer. I do agree the farmer is a dying breed, but at the same time I think it is a damn shame. Never could understand why we pay 2.50 for a gallon of milk while farmer Joe is forced to dump his tanks. I don't know how close any of you are to farmers, but I can tell you first hand they have been getting a royal screwing by our government.

Pepper
12-30-2003, 01:51 PM
Good point mad dog.

Most of the costs for farming have gone to petrochemicals and machinery, and genetically modified seeds. Seeds that die each year and have to be replaced. (Farmers used to just take some seeds from the year before...not anymore) They have become servents to these feudal lords.

When things get bigger they get inefficent. Small famers are more productive, and a greater portion of the profit goes to the farmer, instead of some upper management corporate entity.

MajiPirate
12-30-2003, 02:01 PM
pepper, i love ya and you're close but there a few things: first off, there's two kinds of corn that farmes raise; seed corn and corn grown for consumers. the farmers sell seed corn to seed companies for them to package and sell back without the farmer having to worry about it. the consumer corn goes to processing plants and such.

i disagree that bigger means more efficient. because a farmer needs machinery to run a farm <no matter the size>, there will be machinery costs (maintenence,etc.) Combines alone cost $200,000, yet farmers use them three weeks out of the year. the "upper-management corporste entity" is usually the farmer themself, who in adapting to moder trends has become a businessman as well as an agrarian.

the governement is helping and hurting farmers, depending upon the year. federal crop insurance has kept many of my friends and my friend's parents from having to quit farming. it evens out over a long period of time, but just as everyone wants better now in the economy farmers want better now in the markets.

Pepper
12-30-2003, 02:20 PM
It's been my impression that it's always better to work for yourself then for someone else. I think the model that is being promoted for farmers only benefits big farms. Most government subsidies go to those who know how to jump through the hoops, or at least those who can afford the lawyers to jump through the hoops.

Co-operative farms have been popular in the past and are making resurgence, but are often marginalized as too socialist. But why should a farmer spend $200,000 on a machine she/he uses for 3 weeks. Farming has been around for thousands of years, and many of the old successful customs are being lost to modernization.

Monsanto has a very well known brand called Roundup. Most seeds they sell are roundup resistant. This means farmers can spray all sorts of petro chemicals on their/your food, and eliminate all the pesky bugs without damaging the crop. Unfortunately bugs start to build a resistance to the chemicals, so they need to spray more and more.

These seeds have to be replaced every year. Farmers used to have seed sharing and just hold onto excess seeds from the year before.

I would recommend a book called the Botany of Desire; it is a very insightful book drawing some of the issues we are talking about here. One of the most telling comparisons was two potato farmers (both family farms) one was organic, the other using more conventional means (chemical spray). The organic farmer could take a potato from the earth and eat it right there (yeah it wouldn't taste as good cooked), but the conventional farmer would not.