Guys, how do you sell God to atheists and maybe agnostics? Does anybody have any suggestions :) ? Good, bad or otherwise? :) !

It would probably piss off everybody that is in religion. Atheists and agnostics are not stupid people. I do not think that they are one of those "suckers born every minute." Or they would be one already of the suckers :) !

Love!

tuck

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hK41Gbjljfo :thumbs: And of course if this link does not take you directly to the video you can type in XTC-Dear God and it will come up. Enjoy!

The first thing you would have to do is cure all the bullshit that goes on in organized religion. Then you would have to open it to non-believers and make sure nobody tries to sell them too hard on God. Avoiding alienation is the key. Don't ask for donations, and don't press too hard for mass attendance.

Do you want to try to get someone to believe in God? I can't even begin to imagine how you could sell that to someone. Either he's amenable or he's not. Circumstances may change that attitude, but it's generally not something another person can affect. Typically people only find God in times of great hardship, loss, or, more rarely, times of success and ease. If you can give an atheist something really, really great, you might have a shot. Other than that you're probably beating your head against a wall.

Convince Richard Dawkins that God exist

You're not going to convince a committed atheist that God exists any more than you can convince a committed believer that there is no God .

Guys, how do you sell God to atheists and maybe agnostics? Does anybody have any suggestions :) ? Good, bad or otherwise? :) !

It would probably piss off everybody that is in religion. Atheists and agnostics are not stupid people. I do not think that they are one of those "suckers born every minute." Or they would be one already of the suckers :) !

Love!

tuck
how do you sell a car to the Amish? they get by just fine with their horse and buggy.

I don't see why you would preach differently to an atheist. Why would you? Your religion is there, the principles are there, it's not like you can just change stuff around so it's more "attractive" to atheists. If you can, what kind of religion is that anyway?

You "sell" it to them by being a good person and otherwise leaving them alone.

Guys, how do you sell God to atheists and maybe agnostics? Does anybody have any suggestions :) ? Good, bad or otherwise? :) !

It would probably piss off everybody that is in religion. Atheists and agnostics are not stupid people. I do not think that they are one of those "suckers born every minute." Or they would be one already of the suckers :) !

Love!

tuck


First off,why isn't this in Religon? :confused:

Second,IMO trying to sell God to someone is the same as pushing your own beliefs on them and to me that is wrong and should never be done.

Guys, how do you sell God to atheists and maybe agnostics? Does anybody have any suggestions :) ? Good, bad or otherwise? :) !

It would probably piss off everybody that is in religion. Atheists and agnostics are not stupid people. I do not think that they are one of those "suckers born every minute." Or they would be one already of the suckers :) !

Love!

tuck

Simple... Point a gun at him. There IS an old saying that goes "There are no athiest in Foxholes"

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J/K ;)

There IS an old saying that goes "There are no athiest in Foxholes"
I read something somewhere that said that there are actually more atheists in the military than there are in the general population. I imagine that's just a statistical burp, though; the only two professions I can think of that would be majorly skewed are priests and scientists, and even scientists aren't skewed that badly.

You're not going to convince a committed atheist that God exists any more than you can convince a committed believer that there is no God .
Thats why it'd work.

Thats why it'd work.

How would it work?...That's Fundy logic plain and simple ...I've been there, and have seen every mind game in the book --and a few that aren't :lolhit: used.

You don't sell God to atheists. God freely offers himself to everyone. You either accept him or reject him.

You don't sell God to atheists. God freely offers himself to everyone. You either accept him or reject him.

Frogger my loved one :) (and that is honest), atheists are non believers (hell most/at least alot of believers, are non believers. Actually in all religions.). A really lot of Christians (many thousands of them) have sacrificed their lives to bring the gift of Jesus (and salvation) to non believers. God talks to those around us through us. Yes He/God sometimes thumps someome on the head like He did Saul/Paul. But generally "this does not happen." It is like Mose's went to Pharaoh and said, "Let my people go!"

Pharaoh said, "Yah right!"

The rest was history :)

As a side note, the Jews walked off with Egypt's gold :) Life is cool when God is on your side. :)

Anyhow Frogger my "Loved one", sometimes God's Holy Spirit thumps somebody and those around that person change in an awesome way :) and our Lord as a Savior becomes interesting. Maybe even to the whole world!

Folks do accuse me of talking in "riddles". Ok? :)

Love you!

tuck

I think it would be easier to sell organized religion to an atheist than to sell God.

I'd point out that my experience in everyday life has shown me that people who believe in God and are involved in their church generally have more friends, are happier, deal with tragedy better and have better marriages and better relationships with their kids.

I'd further point out that my experience on AllForums has shown me that believers are less bitter, less nasty and FAR less judgemental than atheists.

I'd further point out that my experience on AllForums has shown me that believers are less bitter, less nasty and FAR less judgemental than atheists.
Do you really think a politically-based forum is a good place to judge the adherents of one belief system or another? I'd guarantee that your usual suspects (Freethinker and so forth) are far less nasty IRL than on here. Some folks, like Freethinker, and sometimes even myself, use Allforums as a means to vent. If Allforums is your only exposure to atheists, I grieve for you.

There are bitter, nasty people in every belief system. Claiming that atheism has more is nothing more than prejudice.

1. Do you really think a politically-based forum is a good place to judge the adherents of one belief system or another?
2. I'd guarantee that your usual suspects (Freethinker and so forth) are far less nasty IRL than on here.
3. Some folks, like Freethinker, and sometimes even myself, use Allforums as a means to vent.
4. If Allforums is your only exposure to atheists, I grieve for you.
5. There are bitter, nasty people in every belief system.
6. Claiming that atheism has more is nothing more than prejudice.
1. I was being sort of light-hearted, but since you've brought it up....

2. I don't think so. I don't think a decent person in real life could be as nasty as some are on these fora. Someone who could mock, imitate and use such hateful words about entire groups doesn't just invent those feelings for the sake of this site.

3. If this is where you need to vent "I grieve for you".

4. It's not so you don't have to.

5. True. In fact I as much as said so by using the comparative phrase "less bitter, less nasty".

6. That's not true. Unless you feel the amount of nasty religious people is equal to the amount of nasty atheists, one group will be larger. By my experience I feel it is clearly the latter.
Do you think it's a perfect tie, or do you feel you are "nothing more than prejudice[d]"?

I think it would be easier to sell organized religion to an atheist than to sell God.

I'd point out that my experience in everyday life has shown me that people who believe in God and are involved in their church generally have more friends, are happier, deal with tragedy better and have better marriages and better relationships with their kids.

I'd further point out that my experience on AllForums has shown me that believers are less bitter, less nasty and FAR less judgemental than atheists.

Wow :) !

Hi Brooks, it is nice to meet you :) Your approach to this topic is interesting.

It should be understood :) that if everybody was a Christian there would be nothing for us "rogue" folks to do. And being on the side of God, "as a died in the wool "rogue" person", might cut one some slack :) I am hopeful! :)

Tuck looks a Napster and grins :)

Anyway Brook it is nice to meet you and welcome to this messageboard!, about 6000 posts to late :)

Love you!

tuck