.....from the same folks who insisted there were WMDs in Iraq.

Yep! It's been another cry wolf day!!

ya, becasue we all know 9-11 didnt really happen, and this is all a big charade to keep bush in power. there really arent hordes of arabs hell bent on killing us, they really are all very peaceful and we are just using a few unfortunate incidents to drive our war forever. You are always so right on shaman.

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering

peppy, umm.. maybe you didn't get the word, but here's where you use YOUR OWN words...

But but but but but we were told that we would be safer now that Saddam is caught.

Dop

Hermann Goering, now there is a great source for info. hell why beat around the bush, why not just go straight to the man and start quoting hitler himself. you are a jackass. I guess you missed that little incident that happened in NYC and the pentagon a couple years ago. no one has to tell me we are being attacked, i saw it live on TV, and if you call appeasing our enmy with countless chances peacemaking, I suggest you look at Chamberlain and the French and how they "took care" of Hitler in the years leading up to the war. Maybe if you knew history and the men you quote, instead of just copying and pasting from your favorite communist web site, you would have a greater appreciation of the feats that this country has accomplished, in spite of all the nay sayers and "peace acctivists"

yep, just another day where we got bored and decided to raise the terror threat level, isn't it shammy? For that matter, let's lower it to Level Green...or even Blue! Areas that are pretty much pointless to have on the terror risk factor chart thingie-whatever in the first place! Or maybe we'll raise it to Level Red in hopes to see Mr. Ridge appear on the TV only to say "HAHAHAHA...WE GOT YOU! WE GOT YOU! Pretty funny wasn't it?" Would you rather be attacked, gased, bombed, etc? We gotta take every threat seriously nowadays.

Actually the orange alert is to cover for the poor xmas shopping numbers that are starting to come out. This way, instead of admitting they are lying about the economy imporving, they can claim the xmas numbers are down due to the orange alert -- people are too scared to go out and shop. LMAO at these amateurs.

Dop

Originally posted by Travh20
Hermann Goering, now there is a great source for info. hell why beat around the bush, why not just go straight to the man and start quoting hitler himself. you are a jackass. I guess you missed that little incident that happened in NYC and the pentagon a couple years ago. no one has to tell me we are being attacked, i saw it live on TV, and if you call appeasing our enmy with countless chances peacemaking, I suggest you look at Chamberlain and the French and how they "took care" of Hitler in the years leading up to the war. Maybe if you knew history and the men you quote, instead of just copying and pasting from your favorite communist web site, you would have a greater appreciation of the feats that this country has accomplished, in spite of all the nay sayers and "peace acctivists"

I think you need to stop assuming things about me.

I belive there is a good enough comparison to what Goering is saying what CheneyBushRumsfield and Co. are doing. These Orange alerts are about as effective as duck and cover. It is distracting us from the real problems this country has.

yes, the orange alert is to cover for the poor shopping numbers. DO you idiots realize that we are in a war? We all know you are safe and cozy in your homes, which makes the idea of some crazed arab living in a hole and plotting to kill you and our family far fetched, but it is happening. Why must you insist absolutly everything is some sort of coverup? wake up. First you compare W's admin to the Nazis, then you say somhow we started an orange alert to cover up some stupid shopping numbers? please just go back to your homes and shut up, let the soldiers and firemen and cops protect youa s they always do, while you sit back and concot stories to prove yourselves right. You are a bunch of thankless assholes who think you are always right, when in reality you are nothing but spoiled kids with to much freedom and time on your hands.

Let's go through the possibilities here:

1) Gov't doesn't raise the alert level - U.S. is attacked. Dop will claim that Bush knew ahead of time (or planned attack himself). Bush is evil.
2) Gov't doesn't raise the alert level - U.S. isn't attacked. Dop will claim that the entire terrorist threat was a lie and that there is no threat. Bush is evil.
3) Gov't raises the alert level - U.S. is attacked. Even further proof that Bush knew about (or planned the attacks)! Bush is evil.
4) Gov't raises the alart level - U.S. isn't attacked. Bush did this to cover his corporate buddies (Ken Lay and Rupert Murdoch) during a disappointing Xmas shopping season and to cover for the fact that he's busy setting up Saddam as the next ruler of Iran. Bush is evil.

Sort of a no win situation for the President, huh?

I just want to say that trav and lionel said it all there is no more to say discussion is over! The people need to realize that there are thousands not a few not hundreds but thousands of people that would love to destroy the U.S and all of it's occupants. This means YOU!!!! Not just our leaders!!!!!!! Take that to bed with you!

just gives us reason to be happy that we lived through another day.

Originally posted by standalone
I just want to say that trav and lionel said it all there is no more to say discussion is over! The people need to realize that there are thousands not a few not hundreds but thousands of people that would love to destroy the U.S and all of it's occupants. This means YOU!!!! Not just our leaders!!!!!!! Take that to bed with you!

Sorry I'm not biting. This administration (and previous) have lied to us too many times before, I'm not going to start believing them now.

I'm not the only one who feels this wayAmericans Mostly Shrug Off Terror Alerts (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=3&u=/ap/20031222/ap_on_re_us/terror_threat_states_13)

LOL, ya, good idea. You'll show them.

Originally posted by Pepper
I'm not the only one who feels this way

There's a difference between thinking it's a lie and just continuing to go about your business, as people in the article are doing. Just because I believe there's a threat doesn't mean that I'm hunkered down in the bunker I built in my basement.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
There's a difference between thinking it's a lie and just continuing to go about your business, as people in the article are doing. Just because I believe there's a threat doesn't mean that I'm hunkered down in the bunker I built in my basement.

Point taken.

hell, i'll tell ya the truth i went to the mall when i heard of the alert in HOPES that the damn last minute christmas rush would have thinned for the day... nope.

it was just another oh-look-the-terror-alert-has-been-raised-to-orange-but-that-doesn't-mean-anything-at-all- cause-nothing-will-happen-to-me-because-i-live-in-the-middle-of-nowhere day for everyone in my area.

Not that people shouldn't be vigilant, but you gotta figure that even on 9/11 99% + of the people flying that day made it home safe and sound. The vast majority of us will be fine and able to take the fight back to the perpetrators, or in some cases, post articles to your website claiming that it's all an evil conspiracy put in motion by Carl Rove.

Originally qouted by Pepper
These Orange alerts are about as effective as duck and cover.
I totally disagree.

Although the rise in terror level may not be seen by the public as an important issue, I can tell you when you work for a government agency on an AFB (or any military base) the increased security is reassuring. There are 100% ID checks, random vehicle inspections, barricades put into place around gate entrances and more security guarding gates and patrolling the area. The threat increase also makes me more aware of my surroundings. You begin to notice vehicles that look out of place or that have been sitting too long outside of the gate or people who do not have visible ID displayed. To the casual person, the level rise may seem trivial but I feel safer when I go to work because military institutions are always a target.

Don't take a knife to a gunfight.
It is good that the government reminds us forgetful Citizens that we truly must stay on guard. The threat is real reqardless of my political beliefs.
In the comfort of our personal invironments it is easy to forget there are those which hate us without knowing us.
Is it not great that we can bash our government officials without worrying that we will be dragged from our homes and tortured and murdered.
Probably caution will be a very real part of our lives for a long time be it called orange, red or whatever.

as atomic suggests, the level raise really doesn't affect that many citizens. while places like IOWA can just laugh at it, there are some pretty tall buildings right on the major flight paths of the world that worry their brains out, as well as military installations that go on a "quick-response" mode: the color system is so people will actively look for activity on the day it's raised. we all know that we should be vigilant, but the government's information of when and where combined with a vigilant public is one step VERY likely to catch terrorists before they can act. its one thing to have the gov't looking for the signs, its another to have every citizen of a country looking.

yeah...i mean, what are they possibly gonna do in Iowa? Where I live, my only threat is Offutt AFB in Omaha...otherwise, what's a terrorist gonna do here? Bomb a farmhouse? A Barn? Hell, A cow even? maybe even the 801 Grand (a building in Des Moines)???

We live in colorful times...

Yellow alert!

Orange alert!

Red alert!

Chartreuse alert! (That's fer when Dubbya can't decide what the flavor of the day is...)

;)

Strike that last joke...



I thought it would be funny, but it wuz a false alarm...

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
yeah...i mean, what are they possibly gonna do in Iowa? Where I live, my only threat is Offutt AFB in Omaha...otherwise, what's a terrorist gonna do here? Bomb a farmhouse? A Barn? Hell, A cow even? maybe even the 801 Grand (a building in Des Moines)???

They could plow a plane into a Hawkeyes football game or something. Not that it's likely, but it could happen. So far the terrorists seem obsessed with the major cities, maybe because that's all they ever hear about in other countries. But they could easily decide some day to blow up a large building in say, Lubbock TX. We can't guard everything.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
They could plow a plane into a Hawkeyes football game or something. Not that it's likely, but it could happen. So far the terrorists seem obsessed with the major cities, maybe because that's all they ever hear about in other countries. But they could easily decide some day to blow up a large building in say, Lubbock TX. We can't guard everything..
True, but where better to strike terror in the eyes and hearts of millions of people at once than a large city with large buildings in cities that are known around the world? Noy saying the chance for a terror attack in little ol' podunk county isn't possible, but what would they really want out of that?

Originally posted by LionelHutz
The vast majority of us will be fine and able to take the fight back to the perpetrators, or in some cases, post articles to your website claiming that it's all an evil conspiracy put in motion by Carl Rove.
ooooooooooooooo.....yeahhhhhhhhh.......

What're The Chances Of THAT??!!! (http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html)

"He's America's Joseph Goebbels. As a 21-year old Young Republican in Texas, Karl Rove not only pimped for Richard Nixon's chief political dirty tricks strategist Donald Segretti but soon caught the eye of the incoming Republican National Committee Chairman, George H. W. Bush. Rove's dirty tricks on behalf of Nixon's 1972 campaign catapulted Rove onto the national stage. From his Eagle's Nest in the West Wing of the White House, Rove now directs a formidable political dirty tricks operation and disinformation mill."

Mr. Sham what would you do instead of the warning system that is in place now? You bitch enough about it your idea must be alot better.

i dunno if i would trust a "political newsletter"- from which your source is taken- to hold any more truth than you claim our current government to hold.

Originally posted by MajiPirate
i dunno if i would trust a "political newsletter"- from which your source is taken- to hold any more truth than you claim our current government to hold.
Keep in mind, Maji, that this is shammy we're talking about...10/10 people really wouldn't and couldn't care about what he posts...since most of it is just crap anyway

so true...

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Buy one! Get another half-dozen for fee!


That's right, boys and girls, if you BUY that there are "highly trained" and "deadly" terrorist "sleeper" cells eagerly plotting and waiting for their chance to strike FEAR into mainland America, Dubbya has even more to offer you if you act fast! Further terrorist threats for fee!!!

These terrorists will be, of course, highly CREDIBLE threats, even though they CAN'T seem to understand how childishly easy it would be to simply MIMIC the already tried-and-proven methods used by snipers John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo or copycat the still-never-caught Tylenol-cyanide Chicago area killer of the '80s... both easy-to-emulate examples which could plunge our entire country into significant levels of panic! That maybe proves that Dubbya's "sleeper" terrorists ain't the brightest... but certainly NOT that they ain't REAL or anything like THAT, okay?

Anyway, they'll be a bargain, because for EACH terrorist threat you actually buy, Dubbya will give you a half-dozen MORE!!! Probably for not much more than a few trillion dollars spent on further Homeland "security" and the shredding of whatever's left of the U.S. Constitution!!! So be a Patriot and act now by buying whatever the hell it is Dubbya and cronies are trying to sell you whenever they try to sell it to you!

:)

By the way, the more I see of Mr. Shaman's post's, the more I

LIKE 'em!

He provides a... breath of fresh IRE... from a liberal

viewpoint that I believe is badly NEEDED on this site.

Stay the curse-- I mean course-- Mr. Shaman!

;)

i'm tired of hearing about all the bad things that might happen but never do.:o

Originally posted by hayryan
Mr. Sham what would you do instead of the warning system that is in place now? You bitch enough about it your idea must be alot better.

Sorry.....you'll have to find your excitement elsewhere.

Unlike the present-administration, I never felt the need to sit-around-the-campfire and tell ghost-stories to rattle little-kids.

Your need to re-live those days is costing us, on a national-level. Why can't you (merely) shell-out a few bucks (of your own), if you need a rise (http://www.scarydvd.com/legends/stephen_king_horror_movies_on_dv.htm), and save the rest-of-us a lotta tax-dollars?

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
Keep in mind, Maji, that this is shammy we're talking about...10/10 people really wouldn't and couldn't care about what he posts...since most of it is just crap anyway

.......Yet, you're unable to dispute/disprove anything I've posted! :D

Suspicious-behavior, indeed!!

Originally posted by In Odder Words
Anyway, they'll be a bargain, because for EACH terrorist threat you actually buy, Dubbya will give you a half-dozen MORE!!!

Dear Sirs;

I'd be more than happy to pursue such an offer, if........and, only if.....they continue to magically fall on each-and-every U.S.-holiday, as they always have!! After all, what good is a national-holiday, without being scared shitless??!!!! :eek:

Originally posted by depressedbutfun
i'm tired of hearing about all the bad things that might happen but never do.:o

Whatta shame you're not the President......who's allowed to start a war, when he's feeling the same way.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
.......Yet, you're unable to dispute/disprove anything I've posted!
Yeah...why waste my time? And it seems like everyone else around here has done it for me as well as themselves.