Would Someone Please Explain To Me How These People’s Minds Work….. (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/would_someone_please_explain_to_me_how_these_peopl es_minds_work/)

......because I simply cannot wrap my brain around this kind of classless, base, and absolutely vulgar stupidity: (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-080323-arrests-holy-name,1,1788110.story)
Six people were arrested at Holy Name parish’s auditorium Sunday after disrupting an Easter mass to protest the Iraq war.
The group—whose female and male members identified themselves as Catholic Schoolgirls Against the War—stood up at the beginning of Cardinal Francis George’s homily and shouted their opposition to the conflict, which marked its fifth anniversary last week. As security guards and ushers tried to remove them from the service, the demonstrators squirted fake blood on themselves and parishioners dressed in their Easter finery.

The red substance, which one protester later described as “stage blood,” initially drew gasps and a few terrified yelps from the 600 worshipers at the mass. The shock, however, quickly transformed into anger as people booed the six while they were escorted from the parish auditorium.
Just what in the name of the human brain could they possibly have been thinking when they decided to parade their stupidity this way?
Did they think that when they barged into that church on Easter and threw fake blood on people and demanded an end to the war that the parishoners there, who were minding their own business, would jump up and say, “YEAH! You know, Crazy Dude, you’re right! We’ll just run right out this very minute and put a stop to that mean ol’ war. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.”
Some of the parishoners didn’t take their little act sitting down:
A small number of worshipers, however, followed the protesters into the lobby to berate them for disrupting the service and frightening children in attendance.
“Are you happy with yourselves?” Mike Wainscott of Chicago shouted at the demonstrators as they were being handcuffed. “There were kids in there. You scared little kids with your selfish act. Are you happy now?”
Good for them.
The group, by the way, calls itsef the Catholic Schoolgirls Against The War. Personally, I think the name “A Group Of Idiots Who Have No Common Sense, Decency, Or A Life” would be more approriate.
Imbeciles. Classless, clueless imbeciles.

I am all for the right to protest. I think it is an important part of american freedom. However..... since when does right to protest mean you have the right to cause someone else discomfort. Since when does the right to protest mean you have to right to cause a scence upon people who do not welcome it? And what in the hell do these people think they were proving by interupting a church service? If they want to stop the war,march on captial hill not thier home town churchs.

Would Someone Please Explain To Me How These People’s Minds Work…..
They don't. These people obviously have the intelligence of a turd.

Think ft will volunteer for another lobotomy?;)

Not much point standing up in church and protesting.

Stand outside a Republican Party Office with a placard, telling America how that party is killing 'American kids abroad'.

Oh for fuck's sake, paul. Quit it with the Republican bashing. My dad and step-mom are both Republicans and they do not and have never supported the war.

Oh for fuck's sake, paul. Quit it with the Republican bashing. My dad and step-mom are both Republicans and they do not and have never supported the war.

Good, maybe they vote for someone else next time then-YES

Not much point standing up in church and protesting.

Stand outside a Republican Party Office with a placard, telling America how that party is killing 'American kids abroad'.

I find it funny paul,that you say that when almost all of congress initially agreed with the war,and to date even those who are against it,would still stay the course.

I find it funny paul,that you say that when almost all of congress initially agreed with the war,and to date even those who are against it,would still stay the course.

LF, I was against the invasion, and Im against withdrawal, work that one out.

Good, maybe they vote for someone else next time then-YES
How could you possibly know that they voted for Bush?
(For the record, I'm sure that both of them did in 2000, but I don't think either of them voted in 2004. There was some really serious shit going on in my family in 04.)

I noted the story didn't mention if the kids where members or not.

Members of what?

This church

How could you possibly know that they voted for Bush?

It doesnt matter whether they voted for Bush or not really. Bush has dragged the Republican Party down to new depths with him, and the risk of a new Republican President following suit are too great for one to be put in office.

It doesnt matter whether they voted for Bush or not really. Bush has dragged the Republican Party down to new depths with him, and the risk of a new Republican President following suit are too great for one to be put in office.
Basically, you assume that all Republicans support Bush and the war, and that Bush is an accurate representation of a typical Republican. None of these things are true and I think it's extremely silly of you to assume that they are. There are plenty of Republicans (in fact, I'm going to wager that this includes most of them) who would do a better job as President than Bush has. It's like saying that because he's white, or because he's Christian, or because he's a male, we can't elect any more white, Christian men because they'll do the same thing he has. That's completely illogical and I'm surprised you can't see that.

Not much point standing up in church and protesting.

Stand outside a Republican Party Office with a placard, telling America how that party is killing 'American kids abroad'.

I agree Paul. You are absolutely right. The Republicans own this invasion and occupation. It is their doing. They wanted it, they got it and now they are trying desperately to distance themselves from it, which stinks of dishonesty and irresponsibility.

The majority of Democrats in Congress voted against it, but they were in the minority at that time so the Republicans got their way.

Basically, you assume that all Republicans support Bush and the war, and that Bush is an accurate representation of a typical Republican. None of these things are true and I think it's extremely silly of you to assume that they are. There are plenty of Republicans (in fact, I'm going to wager that this includes most of them) who would do a better job as President than Bush has. It's like saying that because he's white, or because he's Christian, or because he's a male, we can't elect any more white, Christian men because they'll do the same thing he has. That's completely illogical and I'm surprised you can't see that.

Sorry DF, but you are dead wrong.
The Republicans elected Bush TWICE, supported the war and supported every initiative and spending spree he wanted.

The Republicans are tied to Bush and no amount of wishing that were not so will change reality.

Just what in the name of the human brain could they possibly have been thinking when they decided to parade their stupidity this way? Did they think that when they barged into that church on Easter and threw fake blood on people and demanded an end to the war that the parishoners there, who were minding their own business, would jump up and say, “YEAH! You know, Crazy Dude, you’re right! We’ll just run right out this very minute and put a stop to that mean ol’ war.

My guess would be that their main intent --in regards to making their views known to a large audience-- was that they hoped to get some publicity out of it. Anything that helps bring an end to B*sh and his Administration's trumped up, phony "war" against Iraq one second sooner is a worthwhile thing......


......because over THERE, (not that the citizenry here in America, secure in their little cocoons, would ever know it or be caused by Media coverage of it to think about it) the blood that's being sprayed all over and spilled into the sand is not fake. It's real.

.... since when does right to protest mean you have the right to cause someone else discomfort....Since when does the right to protest mean you have to right to cause a scene upon people who do not welcome it?

Yeah...."discomfort". Ewwww. Can't have the herd being made to feel any "discomfort". Wouldn't do.

For me, the far more pertinent question is -- "Since when does the right to seek oil to run one's nation give that nation the right to preemptively attack another nation and bring about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?"

If they want to stop the war,march on captial hill not thier home town churchs.

I think you have a valid point there LF........and to be frank, even though I am angered by the bullshit 'war' that has been dishonestly foisted off upon the American People, I can see your point about not going into churches and slinging blood everywhere as a means of protest.

But please try to understand..........some people feel very strongly about the tide of real blood that is being shed every day in Iraq, and are moved to do some radical things to cause people to think about it and to reflect on it and to possibly want to see it ended.

But please try to understand..........some people feel very strongly about the tide of real blood that is being shed every day in Iraq, and are moved to do some radical things to cause people to think about it and to reflect on it and to possibly want to see it ended.
assault goes well past "radical". that you'd miss that is no shock.

protesting war at a church is akin to autoworkers on strike picketing a bicycle shop. The Church doesn't endorse, condone, or support warfare on any scale. not even wars of liberation anymore.

Sorry DF, but you are dead wrong.
The Republicans elected Bush TWICE, supported the war and supported every initiative and spending spree he wanted.

The Republicans are tied to Bush and no amount of wishing that were not so will change reality.

You misunderstood what she said dharma, not that it surprises me... but not ALL republicans think Bush is good. Some might have voted him in just because John Kerry was so lame... others just toe the party line, just as you toe YOUR party line, and just as FT toes the socialist party line. She has a valid point, and you look rather foolish trying to make something out of nothing.

Basically, you assume that all Republicans support Bush and the war, and that Bush is an accurate representation of a typical Republican. None of these things are true and I think it's extremely silly of you to assume that they are. There are plenty of Republicans (in fact, I'm going to wager that this includes most of them) who would do a better job as President than Bush has. It's like saying that because he's white, or because he's Christian, or because he's a male, we can't elect any more white, Christian men because they'll do the same thing he has. That's completely illogical and I'm surprised you can't see that.

The fact remains that Bush is the Republican President. The extremeist who run that party are a major threat to the world in general and the United States in particular.
They dont deserve one single vote from an American, you only have to look at human rights abuse in Cuba, Constitutional rights ignored and by-passed,
'war for oil' in Iraq, a failed military policy in Afghanistan [the forgotten war].

And last but not least, ending the 'war on terror' when invading iraq, thus allowing AQ leadership to slip away, thats what the Republican Party stands for.

My guess would be that their main intent --in regards to making their views known to a large audience-- was that they hoped to get some publicity out of it. Anything that helps bring an end to B*sh and his Administration's trumped up, phony "war" against Iraq one second sooner is a worthwhile thing......

Well anybody can get cheap publicity for something. I can go to the Presidential debates and stand up during a speech, naked, with a sign that says "seal our borders", and run around all greased up so that even if they try to grab me i'll slip right through their fingers... and then hey, I can even throw a bunch of wine and such all over the audience, who dressed up for the occasion!!! What a great way to get my point across [sarcasm]

This was in a catholic church, and even though my beliefs don't coincide with theirs, they believe that the service, the traditions, and all are part of being divine with God. Since this is a "freedom of religion"... we have idiots who are disrupting their religious traditions, on one of the holiest days of the year, just to make a point about the war. It is selfish and disrespectful.

Should catholics have been enraged? I wish they wouldn't have. I wish they would have laughed it off, used it for a better service than for a "tragedy"... they probably could have strengthened the service by saying that no matter what happens, we will still believe. However, religion is quite emotional, and bitterly emotional for some people.

And as far as a war in Iraq.. that means nothing compared to God and the celebration of Jesus's sacrifice.

And before you belittle me about how I can not value human life... remember that you drive a car, which among our population will kill thousands of people today...and probably millions all over the world ;)


......because over THERE, (not that the citizenry here in America, secure in their little cocoons, would ever know it or be caused by Media coverage of it to think about it) the blood that's being sprayed all over and spilled into the sand is not fake. It's real.

The blood is real everywhere. There is blood in war?? You act surprised FT. Did you know that we noble americans spilled the blood of thousands of indians and thousands of british soldiers, just so we can have our freedom? And you LIVE here... so you STAND for that... right? That's your justification for everything else... all in or nothing at all. How can you explain THAT one FT... please, i'm all ears.



Yeah...."discomfort". Ewwww. Can't have the herd being made to feel any "discomfort". Wouldn't do.

For me, the far more pertinent question is -- "Since when does the right to seek oil to run one's nation give that nation the right to preemptively attack another nation and bring about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?"

We aren't talking about your theories on the Iraq war, start another thread.

As far as discomfort, we can all use it. It should be required that we all go live in Africa for a few weeks out of the year... that would make us more aware of wtf is going on over there.



I think you have a valid point there LF........and to be frank, even though I am angered by the bullshit 'war' that has been dishonestly foisted off upon the American People, I can see your point about not going into churches and slinging blood everywhere as a means of protest.

But please try to understand..........some people feel very strongly about the tide of real blood that is being shed every day in Iraq, and are moved to do some radical things to cause people to think about it and to reflect on it and to possibly want to see it ended.

But yet they don't give a flying shit about cigarettes, alcohol, cars, cardiovascular disease, etc. They care about their political agendas, and being right, just like you.

I respect people's right to an opinion.. but that was the wrong place at the wrong time. I think we can all agree on that.

Maybe I'll go disrupt Hannukah (sp) with a protest about how many people are killed from cars every year... sound like a good plan FT? Maybe I'll scream, and throw fake blood all over everyone... real classy.

You misunderstood what she said dharma, not that it surprises me... but not ALL republicans think Bush is good. Some might have voted him in just because John Kerry was so lame... others just toe the party line, just as you toe YOUR party line, and just as FT toes the socialist party line. She has a valid point, and you look rather foolish trying to make something out of nothing.

I think youll find that Bush only signed the paperwork, Cheney and Rumsfeld were the main architects for failure in the ME, along with some cronies in the Pentagon who wanted the blank cheques to keep arriving.

Now that theory I'd definitely buy, paul.

Now that theory I'd definitely buy, paul.

Thanks.

PS: For fucksake find an av and stick with it for a couple of days at least.

Tho I agree with the current one :D

I always keep them for at least a couple days... I like this one a lot though. :p

And as far as a war in Iraq...that means nothing compared to God and the celebration of Jesus's sacrifice.

I was about to respond point by point, but it seems the entire locus of our disagreement can be found in that one statement.

To me, it is the exact opposite; the war in Iraq is many tens of thousands (i.e., the number of people who been killed there since the U.S. moved in the war machine) of times more important than any single instance of a bunch of people "celebrating" some deity's "sacrifice".

I can go to the Presidential debates and stand up during a speech, naked, with a sign that says "seal our borders", and run around all greased up so that even if they try to grab me i'll slip right through their fingers... and then hey, I can even throw a bunch of wine and such all over the audience, who dressed up for the occasion!!! What a great way to get my point across.....

I agree that it would be a very good way to call attention to that issue........and like the instance with the BibleGod believers having a bit of fake blood thrown on them, not a single person would be physically harmed in any way. (again, just the opposite of what is happening in the bloodbath in Iraq)

The blood is real everywhere.

Demonstrably false. The 'blood' in the church in question was stage blood.

There is blood in war?? You act surprised FT.

Nope. No surprise to me at all.

Who would be surprised though??!......the complacent, obedient drones in that Catholic church are the ones who'd likely be shocked and/or surprised to see any actual t.v. footage showing a drop of *real blood* being spilled in Iraq, given that the Corporate Media has been ordered to not "discomfort" the masses or to upset them by ever showing them -on the nightly news on their televisions- the harsh realities of what is happening in that "war" over there.

Maybe I'll go disrupt Hannukah with a protest about how many people are killed from cars every year... sound like a good plan FT?

Go ahead. Doesn't matter to me if some superstitionists somewhere are 'disrupted' for a couple of minutes. I have been 'disrupted' by their bullshit many times as I've gone about my daily life.

But then as to what is being protested, let's get real; it is a far different thing for people to be killed in car accidents than for them to be killed due to the illegal, anti-human acts of some predatory nation who decides to bomb some country back to the Stone Age so as to appropriate their oil.

I was about to respond point by point, but it seems the entire locus of our disagreement can be found in that one statement.

Either that, or you keep on dodging certain points that I continually make... and you don't answer.

To me, it is the exact opposite; the war in Iraq is many tens of thousands (i.e., the number of people who been killed there since the U.S. moved in the war machine) of times more important than any single instance of a bunch of people "celebrating" some deity's "sacrifice".

Well that is just a difference in opinion and priorities... Of course I view God as much above anything that happens here on earth, but those are just my religious beliefs. You can continue to disrespectfully ridicule them, while I respect your right to not believe... go right ahead.



I agree that it would be a very good way to call attention to that issue........and like the instance with the BibleGod believers having a bit of fake blood thrown on them, not a single person would be physically harmed in any way. (again, just the opposite of what is happening in the bloodbath in Iraq)

Well I guess it's no problem doing anything to anyone as long as it doesn't harm them now.. is that the case? Can i go down East 55th street and do the Hitler march saying "Heil!!!".. and be patted on the back by you because it "didn't harm anybody"???



Demonstrably false. The 'blood' in the church in question was stage blood.

I wasn't talking about the fake blood in the church, i was talking about the real blood spilled every day in america, and the real blood spilled for you to have the rights that you have. With your standards, I don't see how you could live here.



Nope. No surprise to me at all.

Who would be surprised though??!......the complacent, obedient drones in that Catholic church are the ones who'd likely be shocked and/or surprised to see any actual t.v. footage showing a drop of *real blood* being spilled in Iraq, given that the Corporate Media has been ordered to not "discomfort" the masses or to upset them by ever showing them -on the nightly news on their televisions- the harsh realities of what is happening in that "war" over there.

You dodged the question and changed the subject, and told me what a bunch of people, whom you don't associate with, think based on your own skewed, bastardized opinion. way to be.


Go ahead. Doesn't matter to me if some superstitionists somewhere are 'disrupted' for a couple of minutes. I have been 'disrupted' by their bullshit many times as I've gone about my daily life.

At least you are consistant... but i'd have to see it to believe it.

But then as to what is being protested, let's get real; it is a far different thing for people to be killed in car accidents than for them to be killed due to the illegal, anti-human acts of some predatory nation who decides to bomb some country back to the Stone Age so as to appropriate their oil.

Can you please leave your BS out of the equation FT? We get it, we know you think that your theory is true. But you use it to change the subject again, and again, and again... it's a cop-out, and it's something that cannot even be proven. Is there evidence to it? yes. There is evidence that Barry Bonds took Steroids, but I cannot say it's a FACT that he KNOWINGLY took them... I just have my suspicions. You are entitled to your own suspicions, but you failed to address the points that i made, and instead tried to turn it into another FT thread... "WAR BAD, BUSH EVIL, WAHHH".... I don't think it is possible for you to view things from outside of your own warped mind.

Of course I view God as much above anything that happens here on earth, but those are just my religious beliefs. You can continue to disrespectfully ridicule them, while I respect your right to not believe... go right ahead.

Thank you.

Here's some more for you--

''We have a name for people who have many beliefs for which there is no rational justification. When their beliefs are extremely common, we call them 'religious'; otherwise, they are likely to be called 'mad,' 'psychotic' or 'delusional.' '' To cite but one example: ''Jesus Christ -- who, as it turns out, was born of a virgin, cheated death and rose bodily into the heavens -- can now be eaten in the form of a cracker. A few Latin words spoken over your favorite red wine, and you can 'drink his blood' as well. Is there any doubt that a lone subscriber to these beliefs would be considered insane? The danger of religious faith is that it allows otherwise normal human beings to reap the fruits of madness and consider them "holy".

Well I guess it's no problem doing anything to anyone as long as it doesn't harm them now.. is that the case?

For me, yes.

"An it harm no one, do as thou will"

Can i go down East 55th street and do the Hitler march saying "Heil!!!".. and be patted on the back by you because it "didn't harm anybody"???

Yes. I take the strict libertarian view on this subject. Merely 'doing the Hitler march saying Heil' is an expression of an opinion, and you would IMO be free to it. I fail to see how people on the street would suffer physical harm or lasting harm from it.

With your standards, I don't see how you could live here.

If I were wealthy or had family in some progressive country like Sweden, I wouldn't.

You dodged the question and changed the subject,

I did neither.

Yes, there is blood in war. No, I am not surprised nor, contrary to your question, was I registering anything akin to surprise over it. I answered your question point blank.

At least you are consistant... but i'd have to see it to believe it.

The religionist faction is incessant in their intrusion on the lives of non-religious people. If you are not aware of that you're stupider than I thought. But then, that would be impossible.

Can you please leave your BS out of the equation FT?

Hard to do, when all I was doing was responding to bullshit.

We get it, we know you think that your theory is true.

It's no 'theory' bub. It is historical fact.