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Ares720
12-19-2003, 08:28 PM
My brethren, I have stood in the shadows of this world for far too long. Now, I believe, it is time that I point out a distressing matter that has been left in the hands of the incompetent and the hypocritical. Since the dawn of our conscious existence, religion has perhaps been the greatest influence that has ever graced the minds and cultures of our world. Although we can credit most of laws and morals to it, religion is also an influence that is holding back our potential at being a unified race.

Our brethren, have been fighting for a land that has been promised to them by their separate “gods”. These people willingly give their lives in order to reclaim the land that has been promised to them by separate entities. People die fighting for their causes and people are hurt by this loss. And many of us have asked, what’s the point? Why do our brothers and sisters willfully subject themselves to fight a war that no one wants?

In another case, the protestants and catholics in Ireland fight each other over a feud that has lasted well over three hundred years. These people hate and create division in the unity that the leaders of our many nations are trying to establish. I remember reading a specific article in a newspaper that involved the bombing of a group of catholic schoolgirls.

In the end, the sole reason for the fighting is because we, human beings are unwilling to turn away from the beliefs that have made us feel safe from what we fear most: to die, to be forgotten, to live life without a purpose. But, as it is, the security blanket that we use to shield our eyes from the “monsters” of daily life is only blinding from us that which we must see most. What we must realize in our lives is that human beings were not put on this planet with any set purpose in mind.

In this meager existence, it is our belief that we believe that our “destinies”, as our new generation has colorfully put it, are laid out in front of us, that we are meant to do what it is that some higher being wants us to do. But this being is not any being that is any higher than ourselves. This being is the combined consciousness of the society that our culture has created.

So, instead of persisting on preserving the continuity of the religious tyrants that we have created in our minds and follow with our mouths, perhaps our main goal should focus on the preservation and the continuity of our noble human race.

Abu Ali
12-20-2003, 11:54 AM
Our brethren, have been fighting for a land that has been promised to them by their separate “gods”. These people willingly give their lives in order to reclaim the land that has been promised to them by separate entities.

i just want to point out this mistake in what you posted, the god of jews is the same god of the muslims. and the palestinians are only fighting for the right to remain alive and for the house they were unlawfully forced to leave.

christians, jews, and muslims should come to a common word that God is one without parteners and worthy of all worship and praise.

So, instead of persisting on preserving the continuity of the religious tyrants that we have created in our minds and follow with our mouths, perhaps our main goal should focus on the preservation and the continuity of our noble human race.

what noble human race is that?! lol! God has blessed mankind to be honoured but mankind through continuous transgression have failed to become noble.

Ares720
12-20-2003, 12:53 PM
Alright then, I made a mistake, as all humans do. But that is still no excuse for you to make their fighting ssound honorable. They can avoid this if they overcome their differences to live and prosper in a single world. Your need to feel safe from ignorance will not help to do so.

Abu Ali
12-20-2003, 12:59 PM
Alright then, I made a mistake, as all humans do. But that is still no excuse for you to make their fighting ssound honorable. They can avoid this if they overcome their differences to live and prosper in a single world. Your need to feel safe from ignorance will not help to do so.

their figthing IS honorable! look at it like this.....

the jews have come to that land and stolen their homes resources and forms of income and then go on to kill the innocent (women and children).... and you reckon that they should just roll over and take it?

Ares720
12-20-2003, 03:14 PM
Well there is a way to solve all of this without fighting. Although violence has been the main influential force that has driven humanity to its current status now, we should now be mature enough as a species to know that it's all pointless. We can make a world without war. And you know it. You just don't want to acknowledge our potential.

Abu Ali
12-20-2003, 04:02 PM
Well there is a way to solve all of this without fighting. Although violence has been the main influential force that has driven humanity to its current status now, we should now be mature enough as a species to know that it's all pointless. We can make a world without war. And you know it. You just don't want to acknowledge our potential.

is there really? only a fool will believe this. we live in the real world... as a species we are prone to fight, so there needs to be a group of righteous people who fight on the behalf of the oppressed and if you have a solution to make this a world free of violence... please feel free to share it with us..better yet, tell that to the instigators of the violence ie. bush, sharon, tony blair etc etc etc...

sputnik
12-20-2003, 08:44 PM
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their figthing IS honorable! look at it like this.....

the jews have come to that land and stolen their homes resources and forms of income and then go on to kill the innocent (women and children).... and you reckon that they should just roll over and take it? [/B]

let this be said first: i believe that there should be a palestinian state.
but i do not believe that the way that palestinian terrorist groups are fighting is honorable at all. you condemn killing the innocent but then you seem to support suicide bombings at the same time! if we do not resolve this conflict peacefully there will not be peace. and if there is not peace then we have achieved nothing.

and yes, it is quite possible to resolve conflicts without violence. nonviolent civil disobedience. gandhi and martin luther king jr. preached this method, and it can acheive great things if you trust that it can.

Abu Ali
12-21-2003, 11:34 AM
let this be said first: i believe that there should be a palestinian state.
but i do not believe that the way that palestinian terrorist groups are fighting is honorable at all. you condemn killing the innocent but then you seem to support suicide bombings at the same time! if we do not resolve this conflict peacefully there will not be peace. and if there is not peace then we have achieved nothing.

and yes, it is quite possible to resolve conflicts without violence. nonviolent civil disobedience. gandhi and martin luther king jr. preached this method, and it can acheive great things if you trust that it can.

the palestinians have every right to free their land of the forgien occupiers, suicide bombings, or what have you. and you can not expect much more from a people that get trampled on every day of their lives.

and i have no respect for the likes of gandhi or mlk jr! gandhi only achieved success because the opppresors (the british) no longer wanted to fight for what they stole, and mlk jr achieved no success! more successful civil rights movements were NOI or the black panther party

sputnik
12-21-2003, 08:40 PM
the palestinians have a right to a state in gaza/the west bank. i don't believe they have any right to try to achieve this through suicide bombings or violent means. i don't believe they will achieve any sort of success through these means, and it won't bring peace. it will end up killing more INNOCENT PEOPLE. my brother and sister are israeli and i get sick to my stomach every time i look at the newspaper and there's news of israelis being killed by palestinians and palestinians being killed by israelis and more and more violence and IS IT EVER GOING TO STOP


it won't if it continues like this

MajiPirate
12-21-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Abu Ali

and i have no respect for the likes of gandhi or mlk jr! gandhi only achieved success because the opppresors (the british) no longer wanted to fight for what they stole, and mlk jr achieved no success! more successful civil rights movements were NOI or the black panther party

ah, to retun to a world where the only way to change the system was through violence... let's see how long it takes for the entire civilization of the world to collapse.

Ares720
12-21-2003, 11:29 PM
But then, that's why we must find a way to stop all of this violence. It may have been useful to us in the past. But that is only because we were at our civilized infancy. Don't you think that now is the time that we cast off these feelings of posession and realize that the planet is everyones? As you said, majipirate, the world will soone collapse under its own devices of hatred unless we realize that everyone is equal and that everyone has something to contribute to our world. And it won't be by killing others.