Apparently it's OK to psychologically scar kids for life and turn them against their parents, as long as no animals are harmed . . .

How to freak out little children . . . the PETA way! (http://www.furisdead.com/momfur.html)

As an aside, as a local radio guy pointed out this morning, how come PETA folks never pick on leather-clad motorcycle riders?

There are other uses of a cow then just leather.

When was the last time you ate mink?

If people knew more about the conditions on which our food and clothing were made, less people would participate.

80% of chicken inspectors don't eat chicken.

So are you saying that 20% of chicken inspectors eat chicken?

Animal rights nazis strike again. Why isn't that pamphlet considered pornographic in nature?

There are other uses of a cow then just leather.

When was the last time you ate mink?

PETA thinks the killing of an animal for any reason is bad. Some PETA people think even drinking milk is bad. Clearly they would not be in favor of leather. They're just afraid to pick on biker guys. However they don't seem to fear women and children.

If people knew more about the conditions on which our food and clothing were made, less people would participate.

80% of chicken inspectors don't eat chicken.

I don't understand the relevance of the argument. The issue is not whether animals are treated poorly or whether eating/using animals is wrong. The issue is just how screwed up PETA is when they think it's OK to scar little children who are in no way responsible for any of the issues PETA is against.

Peta is an organization for stupid a**es with no life.

Children are more resilient then you give them credit.

I hardly think the truth behind how mommies fur was made is going to have long lasting scars on children.

Sometimes the truth is ugly.

sometimes the truth isnt the truth, as is the case when PETA says a little girls mommy is an animal killer becasue of the type of coat she wears, and that reminds me, I bet most of the people in PETA dotn give a crap about human children being aborted everyday in mass numbers. I would be interested to know the number of pro life vs. ro abortion people within PETA

Well if animals were killed in the process of making the coat, and mommie pays a few thousand to buy that coat, then she is supporting the murder of animals.

Human children are not aborted, a fetus is aborted.

Fetus does not equal a human child.

Let's make that distinction right away.

Second, Pro choice does not equal pro abortion.

AHHH!!! PETA has done it again... Last time I watched one of their movies I was a vegetarian for a couple of months... Biggest problem is that they ARE right, all of their accusations, the horror going on in slaughterhouses, it's all true. Now stuff like this... they may be right, but that doesn't mean that they should try and scare people into becoming vegetarians.

Originally posted by Pepper
Well if animals were killed in the process of making the coat, and mommie pays a few thousand to buy that coat, then she is supporting the murder of animals.

Human children are not aborted, a fetus is aborted.

Fetus does not equal a human child.

Let's make that distinction right away.

Second, Pro choice does not equal pro abortion.

[1] What if all of the animal is used hide for a coat, meat for humans, scrapes go for pet food.

[2]we're back to this old debate again

[3] fetus will end up being a human child

[4] your opinion not everyones

[5]I do agree

Question for you, are you a member of PETA?

1) I would be surprised if such a thing were true. I don't think it's legal in this country to put any animal into pet food, although I could be wrong.
There are plenty of ways to keep warm without the use of animal fur. Many of them are much more humane than an electrode in the ass.

2) He started, not me.

A fetus could end up a bloody mass in the toilet too. Do we have death certificates for every miscarriage?

Every sperm and egg has the potential for human development, but very few make it to that stage.

I am not a member of Peta.

Originally posted by Pepper
Well if animals were killed in the process of making the coat, and mommie pays a few thousand to buy that coat, then she is supporting the murder of animals.

Human children are not aborted, a fetus is aborted.

Fetus does not equal a human child.

Let's make that distinction right away.

Second, Pro choice does not equal pro abortion.

the murder of animals, LOL, ya. You care more about animals the humans, you sick bastard. You support the wholesale murder of children and use a technicality as your reason. A fetus is not a child, well were you a fetus at some point? I am betting you were. How anyone can use that argument is insane! You call it a distinction, whatever, thats your call. Just becasue you made it past fetus stage doesnt give you the right to kill off any fetus you want becasuef some arbitrary "stage" you picked where one is alive and one isnt hant been reached. Enough of that though.

You say you are not pro abortion but pro choice, isnt that just a fancy way to say you are pro abortion? according to the anti war movement, I am pro war. I am not pro war, I supported the war and the soldiers, but I dont like war. you see, its jsut more hypocrisy from the over the top hypocrits of the left. you support abortion, but are called pro choice, I support the war, and am called pro war.

I find it funny that you call yourself pro-life but have no problem with the title of this thread.

I never said I cared more about animals then I do children. If you could point that out somewhere I would appreciated it.

I was a fetus at one point, and a sperm and an egg. I know many a sperm and egg wasted, are they all to be as cherished as a child?

I suppose if you are pro life and want to see an end to abortion then you support comprehensive sexual education?

Originally posted by Pepper
I find it funny that you call yourself pro-life but have no problem with the title of this thread.

I never said I cared more about animals then I do children. If you could point that out somewhere I would appreciated it.

I was a fetus at one point, and a sperm and an egg. I know many a sperm and egg wasted, are they all to be as cherished as a child?

I suppose if you are pro life and want to see an end to abortion then you support comprehensive sexual education?

Yes the title of a thread in a forum perfecly proves you are right!

The very fact that you worry about a minx, yet see nothing wrong wih aborting a child says to me that you care more about animals than pepole, is it that hard to see?

yes, you are being absurd, of course not every sprerm needs be cherished. if you cant see the difference between a pool of jism and a beating heart in a baby in a womb, you have bigger problems than we thought.

I do supprt educating our children about sexual issues, of course why wouldnt I? that includes the option of adoption, as there are thousand sof couples who desperatly want babies, but are unable to. And it seems that the abortionist prefer to send all babies to tehir death to support their pet issue, becasue if women didnt get abortions anymore, they would be irrelevant, and we know that among the leftists th eloss of issues can not happen, so they claim to want to end poverty and racism and disease, but in reality need them to cling to the most important thing of all in their eyes, power.

So you are up for young people to be fully educated on sex? I'm not talking about choices after a woman is pregnant, I'm talking about methods of protection.

Prevention of pregnancy is the key to reducing abortions.

ya, I am for young people being fully educated. Educated in prevention of pregnancy and disease, not educated in S & M and how to put a condom on a cucumber with their mouth, or how2 men engaging in sodomy is a perfectly natural thing to do, becasue it isnt. SO if they stick to prevention of pregnancy nd disease yes its a good idea.

Nothing wrong with a little creativity in the teaching process, Trav. While S&M is probably a bit much for the classroom, the cucumber - condom trick isn't. Remember - bubba klinton took the wraps off oral copulation when he declared it wasn't actually a sex act. It seems that many youngsters have taken that to heart, so teaching them to place a condom properly .... get my drift?

Originally posted by Pepper
Children are more resilient then you give them credit.

I hardly think the truth behind how mommies fur was made is going to have long lasting scars on children.

Sometimes the truth is ugly.

How the hell did you guys manage to turn this into an abortion argument?

Anyway Pepper, just because children might not be harmed permanently, and just because the truth is ugly, does that still make it right? As I said, the children had no say in whether or not their parents got the fur and there's nothing they can do to get the animals' lives back. If they want to yell and scream at the parents, that's fine, the parents should be able to handle it. But their treatment of the children is no more acceptable than if I invited their kids to my house and fed them a hot dog.

Originally posted by LionelHutz


their treatment of the children is no more acceptable than if I invited their kids to my house and fed them a hot dog.

The horor!!! the horror!!! LMAO

if some latte swilling punk started talking shit to my son about his moms wardrobe I would put his head through the nearest starbucks window (the punks, not my sons, lol)

I think we do use all of the animals. The cow, at least. The hooves go to glue, we eat the meat, use them for coats, shaving cream, and tires. I'm not so sure about other animals, but cows are very useful.

I think we do use all of the animals. The cow, at least. The hooves go to glue, we eat the meat, use them for coats, shaving cream, and tires. I'm not so sure about other animals, but cows are very useful.
That doesn't really matter if they don't bother to see if the cow is dead before they start to skin it.

"That doesn't really matter if they don't bother to see if the cow is dead before they start to skin it."
I agree that we need to start treating them better, but we can't stop killing them all together as PETA suggests. They're just too important to our society. Besides, it's not like they can survive in the wild anymore. We've bred them to be slow and stupid.

Cows will overtake America if we stop eating them. No, I'm serious. They have no natural predators, except humans, so they'd just reproduce and reproduce (fuck and fuck, if you will :D), and soon we'll be like India.

PETA (pretty efficient terrorist association)

Start change thru the children.
Looks like this orginzation could use their talents to better the human race. I like my steak med. rare.:D

Thank you for your answer's

Originally posted by Pepper
1) I would be surprised if such a thing were true. I don't think it's legal in this country to put any animal into pet food, although I could be wrong.
There are plenty of ways to keep warm without the use of animal fur. Many of them are much more humane than an electrode in the ass..

I got some news for you, animals are used in pet food, sometime when your at a wal-mart or any other store pick up a bag of dog food and read what it is made of. We have been using cow and other gritters for dog food for a long time.

Seeing most people in this country like a Mc d's what is the harm in using the fur for whatever purpose? I take it that you do relize burgers don't come from the burger tree :confused:

I do relize that "some" meat farms need a boot in the arse, but alot of meat farms are respectable.

How many critters are killed each year only for their skins?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Cows will overtake America if we stop eating them. No, I'm serious. They have no natural predators, except humans, so they'd just reproduce and reproduce (fuck and fuck, if you will :D), and soon we'll be like India.

I don't think that is true. First, the US eats more cow then they grow, we import cows from Mexico, Argentenia, Brazil, Canada, etc. Many cows are grain fed in addition to grass (Grain gives all that tastey fat that everyone likes). This grain (and soy, or corn) is also imported from other countries.

Many waterways are diverted to accomidate cows that would not live in that environment without the assistance. In fact the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) and the Department of Agriculture subsidizes cattle ranches, and puts in a tremendous amount of resource into keeping a cow alive.

I live here in Oregon and there are forests, high desert, and alkaline lake beds, and I have seen cows in every one of those environments. If people weren't around to help, they would not survive.

Cows are not natural to the United States, they too were imported from the Spanish and British during the early years of colonialism.

Originally posted by mad dog
Thank you for your answer's



I got some news for you, animals are used in pet food, sometime when your at a wal-mart or any other store pick up a bag of dog food and read what it is made of. We have been using cow and other gritters for dog food for a long time.

Seeing most people in this country like a Mc d's what is the harm in using the fur for whatever purpose? I take it that you do relize burgers don't come from the burger tree :confused:

I do relize that "some" meat farms need a boot in the arse, but alot of meat farms are respectable.


I don't think racoon, or minks, or other animals used for their fur are put in dog or cat food. That was what I was refering to in my earlier post, sorry for any confusion.

If you are going to eat meat, I think it is best to get it as close to the source as possible. In a single hamburger, you can have cow parts from 1000 different cows. Only one needs to be diseased.

its funny how these vegetarian are always "cramming their vegatarianism down our throat" LMAO the only vegetarians that dont try and make you feel guilty for eating meat are the Seventh Day Adventists, who are christians. your typical vegatarian/animal rights/environmentalist liberal activist are usually bossy assholes. I dont remember anone giving a crap if someone was a vegetarian, but I sure see a lot of vegetarians giving people who eat meat a lot of crap.

Originally posted by RazorJ
I think we do use all of the animals. The cow, at least. The hooves go to glue, we eat the meat, use them for coats, shaving cream, and tires. I'm not so sure about other animals, but cows are very useful.


SHAVING CREAM!?!? ugh. eeew. that makes me want to vomit.

Originally posted by Travh20
its funny how these vegetarian are always "cramming their vegatarianism down our throat" LMAO the only vegetarians that dont try and make you feel guilty for eating meat are the Seventh Day Adventists, who are christians. your typical vegatarian/animal rights/environmentalist liberal activist are usually bossy assholes. I dont remember anone giving a crap if someone was a vegetarian, but I sure see a lot of vegetarians giving people who eat meat a lot of crap.

uh, well trav, i'm a vegetarian and i happen to think that what peta is doing is wrong. a bit extreme, shall we say. eating meat is a natural thing. i don't do it myself because the corporate responsibility of many fast food restaurants and meatpacking plants is despicable. also after two years of being a vegetarian, meat grosses me out so much that i wouldn't be able to eat it even if i wanted to.

Originally posted by sputnik
also after two years of being a vegetarian, meat grosses me out so much that i wouldn't be able to eat it even if i wanted to.
Come on. You're telling me that you wouldn't like a nice, juicy burger or a big, thick, juicy sirloin after two years away from the stuff? I don't think that's humanly possible. I can't go a weak without beginning to crave a steak or a burger.

P.S. For anyone who's interested, I make a really good burger. I spice them with my own special blend. You can have it...but by request only. :D

Originally posted by BorgHunter


P.S. For anyone who's interested, I make a really good burger. I spice them with my own special blend.

Ya, I bet you do Borg, I dont think anyone would be interested in it though :D

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Come on. You're telling me that you wouldn't like a nice, juicy burger or a big, thick, juicy sirloin after two years away from the stuff? I don't think that's humanly possible. I can't go a weak without beginning to crave a steak or a burger.

P.S. For anyone who's interested, I make a really good burger. I spice them with my own special blend. You can have it...but by request only. :D

ya, a big hunk of muscle, tendon and fat stewed in its own blood taken from the corpse of a cow. sounds delicious.

here we go again. Vegetarians with an air of superiority, because they dont eat meat. Noting like making what someone else eats gross and disgusting to make you look above it all, thus making everyone who eats gross and disgusting things below you. I know you will say that you didnt say that, but we all know thats what saying such things implies. Thats why I hate radical vegetarian movement, they think they are so much above everyone else.

Originally posted by sputnik
ya, a big hunk of muscle, tendon and fat stewed in its own blood taken from the corpse of a cow. sounds delicious.
Oh great, now I'm hungry again. I just ate dinner! :D

Think we could start a movement to save the vegetable?
Think of those cruel people that eat only those cute little things that grow out of cow fertilizer.:p

I think it's cruel to exploit the cows and their dung to grow veggies! Shouldn't a vegan be opposed to this exploitation?

Hey, I read a study made by graduate students from Texas A&M that records stress waves from trees as they are being cut down. This could lead some to believe that plants, too, feel "pain" as they are "cruelly" harvested...

SAVE THE VEGETABLES!!!!!

Originally posted by Travh20
here we go again. Vegetarians with an air of superiority, because they dont eat meat. Noting like making what someone else eats gross and disgusting to make you look above it all, thus making everyone who eats gross and disgusting things below you. I know you will say that you didnt say that, but we all know thats what saying such things implies. Thats why I hate radical vegetarian movement, they think they are so much above everyone else.

travh!! what did you want me to say!!! borg asked me how i could survive for 2 years without meat, so i answered him. please don't hate me for it now!

please don't hate me for it now!
If you said "I love Bush", he'd condem you. Trav just trys to stir up trouble by twisting what you say and twisting your facts.

Originally posted by sputnik
travh!! what did you want me to say!!! borg asked me how i could survive for 2 years without meat, so i answered him. please don't hate me for it now!
You're concerned about Trav hating people? He's done that at least since I've been here, and that's over a year.

i'm not that concerned about trav hating people in general, i'm concerned about him hating me for something that i'm not even aware that i did.

Originally posted by Pepper
I don't think racoon, or minks, or other animals used for their fur are put in dog or cat food. That was what I was refering to in my earlier post, sorry for any confusion.

If you are going to eat meat, I think it is best to get it as close to the source as possible. In a single hamburger, you can have cow parts from 1000 different cows. Only one needs to be diseased.

[1] I do know some hillbilly's that eat racoon, mink possum, etc... :eek:

[2] I do agree that is why I like venison. I have to ask, when is the last time you met someone that got mad cow disease from eating at a fast food place? I'm not saying it doesn't happen but you have better changes of winning the lottery.

Sputnik;

What else do you eat, fish, turtle, clams, worms, bugs etc....?

Just curious

i still eat fish but only when i dont' have a choice and i have been eating less and less of it recently. it's hard to become a vegetarian all at once it's easier to do it bit by bit.

and no, i don't eat bugs. ewwww.

what i do eat is salad. it's the curse of the vegetarian, you have to spend the rest of your life eating salad. i eat it at least once a day. i once ate an entire bowl of salad for dinner. better than the alternative, though.

Originally posted by mad dog
[1] I do know some hillbilly's that eat racoon, mink possum, etc... :eek:

[2] I do agree that is why I like venison. I have to ask, when is the last time you met someone that got mad cow disease from eating at a fast food place? I'm not saying it doesn't happen but you have better changes of winning the lottery.

You would have to ask someone in Britain.

It is also believed that Mad Cow is just an accelerated form of Alzheimers.

I used to be a big meat eater, never went a day without eating some chicken, pork or beef. 5 years ago if you asked me if I would ever consider giving it all up I would have said no way. But it's been over 2 years without so much a craving of meat.

I don't shove vegetarianism down people's throats, but I do think it's important to know what happens to the food we put in our body. Meat or veggie.

Originally posted by sputnik
i still eat fish but only when i dont' have a choice and i have been eating less and less of it recently. it's hard to become a vegetarian all at once it's easier to do it bit by bit.

and no, i don't eat bugs. ewwww.

what i do eat is salad. it's the curse of the vegetarian, you have to spend the rest of your life eating salad. i eat it at least once a day. i once ate an entire bowl of salad for dinner. better than the alternative, though.

ahh yes the old "I am a vegetarian, I only eay fish (or chicken)", LOL and I bet eating that entire bowl of salad must of been brutal. You know, sometimes I eat an entire bowl of salad with and entire steak, and let me tell you, its rough, LOL

haha, trav, i was exaggerating about the salad thing. but the whole bowl of salad thing is true. i don't know how you could eat an entire bowl of salad and a steak though. you must have a large appetite.

and it's not easy to become a vegetarian all at once. try waking up one morning and saying "ok, i'm not going to eat any sort of meat for the rest of my life." it's something you gotta do bit by bit.

ps: i have a question. would people fall under the category of red or white meat? and if we were all cannibals, would children be considered veal?

Eat what you want . Drink what you want. You are still going to die. I personally would not want my last meal to be some form of grass.
I eat country cooking,lots of meat. Vegetables seasoned with fat meat for a great taste. Am a chocolate nut. 55 years old,strong as a horse,low cholesterol, great blood pressure, not much body fat. Lucky I guess like my 90 year old grandmother that taught me how to eat. Hmmmm hungry now think I'll have a greasy , thick hamburger make from a vegetarian cow. :D

I also like salads especially chef's salad, with lots of meat and cheese thrown in. I once ate a whole head of lettuce then hate a crap load of chiken, I was younger then. I have eaten worms right off the ground just open up and say ahhhhh.

Pepper I also like to know what I'm eating, I hardly ever eat fast food, maybe 3-4 times a year, and never Mc D's. We have CWD right here on our turf, it's pretty much the same thing as mad cow. I was just pointing out someone is always saying you'll die etc.. if you eat at Mc D's but I haven't seen it happen, atleast not in mass proportions. Probably the only way a person would die from eating Mc D's food is from a heart attack.

"I have eaten worms right off the ground just open up and say ahhhhh."

AAAHGH

i have a phobia of dead insects.

you wouldnt do well in the military sputnik. you seem to be afraid of just about everything.

Originally posted by Travh20
you wouldnt do well in the military sputnik. you seem to be afraid of just about everything.

first statement: true.
second statement: false.

"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals.
I'm a vegetarian because I HATE PLANTS!"

LMAO

If I tryed to become a vegan I think that my husband would kill me. Damn meat and potatoes boy. It is natural for one to want to eat meat, if a person doesn't want to what are you going to do? Condem them for it? I don't see what good it would do.

Question did any vegetarians ever get punished as kids for not eatting there vegetables? :)

why would vegetarians be punished for not eating their vegetables? they would probly be punished for eating too many vegetables.

unless i'm missing something here...