A rise in violent crime in the U.S. and increases in prisoner abuse, racial discrimination and child poverty, plus a myriad other human rights violations allegedly committed by Americans in the execution of the Iraq war and the war on terrorism.

The Chinese State said it prepared the report because the U.S. once again neglected to reflect on its own shortcomings.

This is Beijing's response to The U.S. Country Report on Human Rights Practices in 2007.

Wait, wait, wait... China is disapproving of our human rights violations? Well that's ironic.

Well, I think the worst offense we commit is to fly to China to get organ transplants.

Well, I think the worst offense we commit is to fly to China to get organ transplants.
they put lead paint on kids toys, who in their right mind would get an kidney there?:lolhit:




(besides the fact that you can buy them there, and they'll even execute the political prisoner that has your new one while you wait.)

Wait, wait, wait... China is disapproving of our human rights violations? Well that's ironic.
i'd go with moronic. only a pinko would take that seriously.

Credibility counts so far I cannot remember a lie made by the Chinese.

all china is doing is trying to point the finger... HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD..... SURE WE USE TEAR GAS ON MONKS IN THE STREET WHO PROTEST PEACE. SURE WE SEND TANKS DOWN STREETS TO CHASE COLLEGE STUDENTS AWAY WHO ARE DESPERATE FOR CHANGE.......... BUT YOU HAVE A 13% ALLEGED ABUSE RATE FROM YOUR COUNTRIES POPULATION OF PEOPLE IN YOUR PRISION SYSTEM,AND YOU HAVE HUNGRY CHILDREN IN YOUR STREETS.. ... NEVERMIND OVER HERE WE STOP YOU FROM HAVING MORE THAN ONE CHILD.


this is not a case of the pot calling the kettle black... this is more like the pot calling the kettle a light grayish tint.

Well, I think the worst offense we commit is to fly to China to get organ transplants.

I agree that it should be an offense and I would like to ban re-entry into Canada with an illegal gotten organ. (Human right issue.)

This is like Jeffery Dahlmer calling Martha Stewart a "criminal".

I agree that it should be an offense and I would like to ban re-entry into Canada with an illegal gotten organ. (Human right issue.)
re-entry to a person's place of birth is also a human right. two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree that it should be an offense and I would like to ban re-entry into Canada with an illegal gotten organ. (Human right issue.)



So,if one of your children desperately needed an organ transplant and the only place you could get one is China you wouldn't do it even though it would save your childs life?
You're not looking at this from all angles are you?

This is like Jeffery Dahlmer calling Martha Stewart a "criminal".

Thats true but they still have more credibility.

China has more credibility than the U.S. in human rights issues?

If you believe that, you are more fucked up than a $2 whore at a bachelor party.

I was referring about the truths out there. I don't like tainted news much.

China has more credibility than the U.S. in human rights issues?

If you believe that, you are more fucked up than a $2 whore at a bachelor party.
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I wouldn't know about those parties and I'm in conflict with someone who does.

If you believe that, you are more fucked up than a $2 whore at a bachelor party.

Where the heck are you guys buying whores? is there a mail order site?

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I wouldn't know about those parties and I'm in conflict with someone who does.

:drinktothcool beans... enjoy yourself there CF

:D

:drinktothcool beans... enjoy yourself there CF

:D

I don't understand but can you say a lie that China has made?

I don't understand but can you say a lie that China has made?

HUH? the country? the government? the people?

and what does the lie have to be about? their human rights? our human rights? Paris Hilton?


You need to be more clear. China is NOT a "good guy" you narrow down what you want and watch this thread explode.

I'm not defending China I just think that there more credible, I actually stated I never heard a lie from China, have you; please post it and I'll be happy.

Where the heck are you guys buying whores? is there a mail order site?
Maybe he's talking about a melon...

mmmmmmm... fresh Florida watermelons....

;)

:drinktothcool beans... enjoy yourself there CF

:D

Please explain "CF" are you making up stuff?

Probably a typo and he meant "CR."

Probably a typo and he meant "CR."
I was hoping that to be the case but I wasn't sure.

Maybe he's talking about a melon...


You an evil,evil man Nappy....

I love you too, LF. :D

But not as much as I love my cantaloupes!

Have you guys/gals ever been to China. I go about every 4 months for last 6 years. Believe me, the people ARE happy with their government. The government is actually doing good for the people. Has anyone seen their infrastructure, it is starting to make ours look like Africa!

Have you guys/gals ever been to China. I go about every 4 months for last 6 years. Believe me, the people ARE happy with their government. The government is actually doing good for the people. Has anyone seen their infrastructure, it is starting to make ours look like Africa!
try getting out of the city.

http://heyhotshot.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/image797.jpg

City’s Edge

I am drawn to the peripheries of China’s cities - the strange and nebulous region where urban and rural China meet. This landscape is emblematic of China as a whole: unresolved, abrasive , contradictory. Here, the wealthiest Chinese live in ‘Mc Mansions’ - cookie-cutter villas beside migrant workers who can only afford to erect shanties on temporarily vacant land. We see manicured lawns and golf courses extravagantly watered next to parched farmland and polluted dumping grounds.


http://heyhotshot.com/blog/2007/05/22/spring-hhs-winner-daniel-traub/

try getting out of the city.Some folks stand in the way of progress.

http://www.ananova.com/images/web/916474.jpg

try getting out of the city.

Have you been to China?

"We see manicured lawns and golf courses extravagantly watered next to parched farmland and polluted dumping grounds."

That could be said about anywhere.

Have you been to China?

"We see manicured lawns and golf courses extravagantly watered next to parched farmland and polluted dumping grounds."

That could be said about anywhere.
my bad-http://heyhotshot.com/blog/2007/05/22/spring-hhs-winner-daniel-traub/

Over the next 25 years I doubt any Chinese will live in poverty.
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China is the most qualified of nations to govern there own1.3 billion people. Not many countries have that kind of qualification.

Over the next 25 years I doubt any Chinese will live in poverty.
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China is the most qualified of nations to govern there own1.3 billion people. Not many countries have that kind of qualification.
the Chinese government governs for it's own benefit, not the benefit of it's people.

the Chinese government governs for it's own benefit, not the benefit of it's people.
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Do you have a credible source of information about that?

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Do you have a credible source of information about that?
their track record. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989)

http://en.wikipedia.org/
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Credible source

I'll read it but with allot of salt.

Isn't there another story about the US killing there own students as swell, don't forget China has 1.3 billion people and is getting stronger every minute.
Your in denial maybe.

Kent State. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings)

4 versus thousands? what planet are you from?

Kent State. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings)

4 versus thousands? what planet are you from?

Canada i believe

You guys have not given a fabrication made up by the Chinese Government. What ever the Chinese say about anything is probably true. And I think that make some jealous.

I'm jealous that the Chinese can tell the truth? What is that supposed to mean?

And BTW, it's not whether or not they're lying.... The issue here is that human rights violations in China are a WAY bigger problem than they are here.

so what does the US know about governing 1.3 billion people?

What does China?

so what does the US know about governing 1.3 billion people?
What does that have to do with anything?

What does China?


There in a building boom so they must be on the right track.

Took them long enough.

You guys have not given a fabrication made up by the Chinese Government. What ever the Chinese say about anything is probably true. And I think that make some jealous.Read this story:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/mountain-shooting-was-self-defence-china/2006/10/13/1160246293121.html

Then watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkMcj4vQtRU

You tell me who's lying.

I haven't seen the video yet but the article doesn't show any fabrication that I read.

I'm jealous that the Chinese can tell the truth? What is that supposed to mean?


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Your human rights record

I haven't seen the video yet but the article doesn't show any fabrication that I read.Try this part:

A report by the official Xinhua news agency said the refugees were making an illegal border crossing.

It said the Chinese guards tried to persuade them to return to Tibet but they "refused and attacked the soldiers".

"The frontier soldiers were forced to defend themselves and injured two," the report said, citing an unnamed Chinese official.

Get back to me after you watch the video.

Sedan help me understand how the US would have handled it?

Sedan help me understand how the US would have handled it?We don't normally shoot people trying to leave our country.

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Your human rights record
Are you trying to say that the U.S. is jealous of the Chinese human rights record? That's fucking ridiculous.

Are you trying to say that the U.S. is jealous of the Chinese human rights record? That's fucking ridiculous._______________________________________ ________

No I'm saying what they say about the US does have credibility because I haven't seen them lie before unlike the US.

No I'm saying what they say about the US does have credibility because I haven't seen them lie before unlike the US.I just showed you where they lied.

We don't normally shoot people trying to leave our country.
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Would the US allow people to refuse authority? What I saw in the video was suicide by cop.

Would the US allow people to refuse authority? What I saw in the video was suicide by cop.Usually I argue with irrational people, just to have a little fun.

But you're not even worth that much.

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Would the US allow people to refuse authority? What I saw in the video was suicide by cop.
Typically we tazer people who refuse authority. I've heard your country has gotten quite good at that as well.

Typically we tazer people who refuse authority. I've heard your country has gotten quite good at that as well.

True. But for Sedan to hint that no ones ever been shot in cold blood by US authorities seems to be an exaggeration. But it could be true is it?

True. But for Sedan to hint that no ones ever been shot in cold blood by US authorities seems to be an exaggeration. But it could be true is it?
Um, he absolutely did not say that.

Wow..this thread has taken an interesting twist from yesterday hasn't it.
CR,if you want to spout an anti US government agenda,then by all means... make yourself right at home. There are plenty of allies right here on this forum,most of them born and raised right here in the USofA.

But if you want to give the US a black eye,and use china as your pulverable bully... you are divinely more off your rocker than i think anyone realized.

Um, he absolutely did not say that.
He said We don't normally shoot people trying to leave our country. (Sorry)
I'm going to look at that video at least twice more.

Ok I eat my words they obviously lied about it.

Thank You

He said We don't normally shoot people trying to leave our country. (Sorry)
I'm going to look at that video at least twice more.
Yes, he said we don't shoot people who try to leave the country. He did not say that U.S. authorities have never shot anyone in cold blood.

It doesn't matter the whole thread is bullshit since the Chinese have been caught lying.

I apologize to ALL.

No problem...

It doesn't matter the whole thread is bullshit since the Chinese have been caught lying.

I apologize to ALL.

In my opinion this thread turned into bullshit as soon as china's human rights record was compared to the unites states.

You guys have not given a fabrication made up by the Chinese Government. What ever the Chinese say about anything is probably true. And I think that make some jealous.


Yea true just like the truths our (Canadian) government tells

Yea true just like the truths our (Canadian) government tells

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Are you talking about something in Canada's foreign policies. Like external Affairs or something like that?

In my opinion this thread turned into bullshit as soon as china's human rights record was compared to the unites states.
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I never compared the two records but I was concerned about there version.
and wanted it discounted as a reliable.

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Would the US allow people to refuse authority? What I saw in the video was suicide by cop.
wth? are you watching thru a Chinese Government filter?

wth? are you watching thru a Chinese Government filter?
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Are the hikers on the pilgrimage aware or not of the soldiers presence in the mountains? They probably do and took there chances.

(At this point I forgot I was been show the Chinese in a lie .)

However why I said something that may have sounded cruel. Is when it comes to China with such a large population to control and protect. That fearing unrest is a legitimate argument but whats obvious now is that China is hiding what they did so maybe they didn't warn those people either.

I already have apologized for my remarks but they were intended to find the Chinese in a lie.

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Are the hikers on the pilgrimage aware or not of the soldiers presence in the mountains? They probably do and took there chances.

(At this point I forgot I was been show the Chinese in a lie .)

However why I said something that may have sounded cruel. Is when it comes to China with such a large population to control and protect. That fearing unrest is a legitimate argument but whats obvious now is that China is hiding what they did so maybe they didn't warn those people either.

I already have apologized for my remarks but they were intended to find the Chinese in a lie.
the Chinese claimed that their troops shot in selfdefence, then you see footage of ppl being shot in cold blood from a distance. what more proof do you need?

the Chinese claimed that their troops shot in selfdefence, then you see footage of ppl being shot in cold blood from a distance. what more proof do you need?

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None The jobs done. I forgot I was been show a lie, I forgot I was been show a lie, I forgot I was been show a lie. I put that in brackets before I guess you forgot.

I don't agree with what the Chinese soldiers did but I believe they will shoot me if they tell me they will.

did you see anyone close enough to issue a warning?

did you see anyone close enough to issue a warning?
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I believe they were all together did you see where the soldiers where in relation to the hikers. Can you see where everyone was in one picture or close to that? It sounds like you can

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I believe they were all together did you see where the soldiers where in relation to the hikers. Can you see where everyone was in one picture or close to that? It sounds like you can
you missed the shot of the shooter on the ridge. there were no soldiers with the hikers, they shot the lead, then the one to the rear. then caught up to collect the bodys.

you missed the shot of the shooter on the ridge. there were no soldiers with the hikers, they shot the lead, then the one to the rear. then caught up to collect the bodys.

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I don't think that video shot showed a ridge just a soldier in a kneeling position taken aim. My opinion was that I couldn't tell exactly where everyone was. I will look some more at the video but can you identify everyone of the hikers? Just to be sure?

Never mind I forgot they hit from front to back

We don't normally shoot people trying to leave our country.

Yeah, just those trying to get in.

Yeah, just those trying to get in.

Apparently, not enough of them to make any difference - they're still coming in droves.

Over the next 25 years I doubt any Chinese will live in poverty.
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China is the most qualified of nations to govern there own1.3 billion people. Not many countries have that kind of qualification.
What planet are you from? If you think they'll be able to feed and house their enormous populace without a hiccup, then you're delusional, but....considering your contributions here thus far, I suppose I'm stating the obvious, aren't I?

That aside, do you really think the red Chinese government gives two shits about your average chinaman? You break the law, you get shot. You protest the government, you get shot. You stand up to authority, you get shot. As a matter of fact, you have to work (operative word here) very hard just to stay alive, and trust me, they do. They're as fawning and obsequious a population as you'll ever see in your life, and if you think that it's so fucking great there, then by all means - be my guest and move to Beijing, pal.

Yeah....I hear sweatshops are a real growth industry for the people employed by them. Hey, everyone! - look at how "advanced" the roads and buildings are that blood money buys..... :thumbs: :rolleyes:

You don't hear to much anti Chinese rhetoric about recent atrocities in China until now. I was curious if the Chinese make up lies in recent memory (7-10 years). Since China was insulting the US I thought some one on this board would prove China is never changing.

But since they are getting more recognition around the world its possible that they have recent credibility.

I just had to know, and bugging the board was a great way to do it.

You don't hear to much anti Chinese rhetoric about recent atrocities in China until now. I was curious if the Chinese make up lies in recent memory (7-10 years). Since China was insulting the US I thought some one on this board would prove China is never changing.

But since they are getting more recognition around the world its possible that they have recent credibility.

I just had to know, and bugging the board was a great way to do it.

China is a pure bully.Even though they have changed,from pure
dictating,they still are brutish as a country.
I don't know what the answer is.They like Capitalism,and seem
willing to slowly move towards a freeing of the once yoke
of Imperial dynasty.But the Chinese are very beholdin to their
dominating past and also quite stubborn.
Every thing in small steps may not be appropriate for such a huge
unwielding ego towards consumerism,Via some historically
mandated oppressions.

Apparently, not enough of them to make any difference - they're still coming in droves.

How dare anyone want to come to our country.

This popped up in today's news:

China asks Dalai Lama to use his influence' to stop Tibet violence (http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200803312170.htm)

Beijing (PTI): Facing mounting international flak for the crackdown on Lhasa, China on Monday gave first signs of softening its stand by asking the Dalai Lama to use his "influence" to stop violence in Tibet and said the "channels" for dialogue with him are "always open."

"The channels for dialogue between the Chinese government and Dalai Lama are always open," Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said during a visit to Laos, as the Olympic flame arrived here today under tight security arrangements to thwart Tibetan protests.

Wen's comments is seen as an apparent softening of China's stand on the 72-year-old exiled Tibetan spiritual leader. The Chinese premier's statement also comes after the US and other western powers intensified pressure on Beijing to talk to the Dalai Lama on the vexed Tibet issue.

If you're looking for examples of the Chinese telling big fat lies...

But wait! There's more!

Brit spies confirm Dalai Lama's report of staged violence (http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/chinese-orchestrating-riots-tibet.htm)

By Gordon Thomas

London, March 20 - Britain's GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.

GCHQ analysts believe the decision was deliberately calculated by the Beijing leadership to provide an excuse to stamp out the simmering unrest in the region, which is already attracting unwelcome world attention in the run-up to the Olympic Games this summer.

For weeks there has been growing resentment in Lhasa, Tibet's capital, against minor actions taken by the Chinese authorities.

Increasingly, monks have led acts of civil disobedience, demanding the right to perform traditional incense burning rituals. With their demands go cries for the return of the Dalai Lama, the 14th to hold the high spiritual office.

Committed to teaching the tenets of his moral authority---peace and compassion---the Dalai Lama was 14 when the PLA invaded Tibet in 1950 and he was forced to flee to India from where he has run a relentless campaign against the harshness of Chinese rule.

Discovering that his supporters inside Tibet and China would become even more active in the months approaching the Olympic Games this summer, British intelligence officers in Beijing learned the ruling regime would seek an excuse to move and crush the present unrest.

That fear was publicly expressed by the Dalai Lama. GCHQ's satellites, geo-positioned in space, were tasked to closely monitor the situation.

The doughnut-shaped complex, near Cheltenham racecourse, is set in the pleasant Cotswolds in the west of England. Seven thousand employees include the best electronic experts and analysts in the world. Between them they speak more than 150 languages. At their disposal are 10,000 computers, many of which have been specially built for their work.

The images they downloaded from the satellites provided confirmation the Chinese used agent provocateurs to start riots, which gave the PLA the excuse to move on Lhasa to kill and wound over the past week.

What the Beijing regime had not expected was how the riots would spread, not only across Tibet, but also to Sichuan, Quighai and Gansu provinces, turning a large area of western China into a battle zone.

http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/images/Chinese-soldiers-posing-riot-monks-1.jpg


Sorry for the giant picture - don't know how to make it smaller.

If this picture dozen't cause a boycott nothing will.

(The photo is a good size, and its evidence.)