True enough. But I still loves me some fast food everyone now and then. I miss Chick-Fil-A up here; Chicagoland doesn't have 'em. :(


Indianapolis does. Head on down there and get yerself some!

Indianapolis does. Head on down there and get yerself some!
One hell of a drive for some chicken. Good chicken, yes, but still just chicken. I just have to wait until May when I'll be heading back to Florida to see the family.

You're not quite getting it, Leper. The point DF was trying to make is, the people whose behavior you are condemning are people all around you, with lives, minds, and difficulties that are much, much different than yours.

A) I don't see where DF made that point, but thanks for your efforts to try and clarify things.

B) Where did I say I was "condemning" anyone? Or do you really think that classifying something as immoral is the equivalent of "condemning?" Seriously, Nap. I think you're the one who's "not quite getting" my point.

By classifying such behaviors as immoral, you are saying something about the character of the people that do it. It's not just a word, it's a harsh judgment.

When I classify a behavior, I don't judge anyone - I judge the behavior. I judge people on the whole of their character, not based on one behavior. I thought I made this clear already....Do I need to give a "for instance" scenario?

Calling something immoral should not be a careless or unconsidered act.

Careless? I think not. In fact, on the contrary, I think what's careless is Borg responding with "Whoopty doo" (along with elaboration, of course) when paulaorcas tells us she's a virgin, which is how this whole thing started.

It's a very deliberate thing to tell a person they lack a sense of ethics that you somehow have.

Deliberate? Okay, that's a fair characterization. Also, just for the record, I understand that people have different senses of morality (note: I distinguish between the term "ethics" and "morality"). I'm simply telling Borg, DF, and now you why I believe promiscuous sex is and should be considered immoral.


It should be reserved for serious actions that violate the principles of human dignity. Theft, rape, murder, actions that clearly affect another person's well-being, these things are clearly immoral.

You shouldn't call an action less than theft "immoral?" Since when did you become the arbitor of what sorts of things we "should" discuss on these boards?

But lesser actions like promiscuity should bear quite a bit of explanation before being considered immoral.

I think I've explained myself plenty. I almost always do.

It's a very divisive and non-nice thing to do.

Ok, you gotta be kidding me! Now, if I jump to conclusions as much as you, you're passing judgment on me. So you think I'm doing something wrong here? Am I being "immoral," Nap?

That's so hypocritical, I can't help but laugh!

Well, casual sex is just that. Casual. It can never hope to reach the depths of feeling that sex between two adults who have been together for a long time can reach. The intimacy and the closeness is enhanced by all the time spent together, it deepens the experience in a good way. (hopefully)

I don't know that casual sex is immoral, but I don't think it's healthy all that much either.

Your example of McDonald's vs a nice gourmet meal is apt, but I find that the more gourmet I have, the less appetite I have for McDonald's, and that the cheap stuff doesn't really satisfy for long, and mostly makes me ill.
This is exactly how I feel. Great post.

Leper: I think the problem here is that you have a different definition of the word "immoral" than Nappy and I do. Immoral, to me, is a very harsh word. It's like equating having casual sex with something worse, as if a one night stand is the equivalent of going up to someone and punching them in the face. To me, immoral = bad, and when someone tells another person that they are immoral, they're saying that they're better than the other person. So I feel, when you call some of my past actions immoral, that you are suggesting that I'm a worse person than you (not necessarily a "bad" person overall). I suppose you could still respect someone who is a worse person than you, but certainly you wouldn't respect them as much as someone who you saw as just as good as or better than you. Right?

Leper: I think the problem here is that you have a different definition of the word "immoral" than Nappy and I do. Immoral, to me, is a very harsh word. It's like equating having casual sex with something worse, as if a one night stand is the equivalent of going up to someone and punching them in the face.

I think you're right. Immoral, to me, is a broad term covering anything that I would call "wrong." There are many degrees of immoral. Punching someone in the face for no good reason is certainly a greater degree of immorality than a one night stand. In fact, punching someone in the face is so blatantly immoral that it's criminal and should be criminal. I don't think promiscuity should be criminal - it's just something I think you shouldn't do because it's bad for you, your partner, and your potential offspring.

To me, immoral = bad, and when someone tells another person that they are immoral, they're saying that they're better than the other person. So I feel, when you call some of my past actions immoral, that you are suggesting that I'm a worse person than you (not necessarily a "bad" person overall). I suppose you could still respect someone who is a worse person than you, but certainly you wouldn't respect them as much as someone who you saw as just as good as or better than you. Right?

First off, I'm not saying any person is immoral, I'm saying a behavior is immoral. That's a big distinction for me.

For example, my overall opinion of you is pretty good (and I say this fully understanding that I only observe you through the cloudy prism that is Allforums) - you generally treat people with intelligent respect and kindness, in spite of the multitude of hostile posts on these forums. That's balanced with a couple of things that I would call "immoral" behavior - "casual" attitudes toward sex and drugs. Overall, I think the intelligent respect and kindness substantially outweighs your "immoral" behaviors and thus I have a pretty good opinion of you. That is my overall judgment; It's very different from my judgment of individual behaviors. Would I respect you more if you conformed more with my standards of morality? Of course, but I certainly don't expect everyone conform with my ideas of how you should live your life, no matter how much I might wish it so.

Msmary actually has a good example with the McDonald's. Do I think eating a Big Mac is immoral? No, but I would argue that gluttony (i.e. overeating) is immoral. So if paulaorcas had said "I've never been a glutton in my entire life" and Borg responded with his "Whoopty do" response, we'd probably be having the same debate about gluttony instead of promiscuous sex.

25% of kids have STD and 50% of black kids? What bullshit.

I have to agree. I think the government's hoodwinked.

I bet the rate for teenage males is a lot lower.... And I'm inclined to think that this study is perhaps not very accurate.

Ahhh, there's nothing I like more than irrational disbelief.

I think the headlines are a bit misleading (Of the 1/4, almost 80% of those are HPV...), but I don't think there is a good reason to believe the CDC or the press is making stuff up.

but I don't think there is a good reason to believe the CDC or the press is making stuff up.

Not so much making stuff up as perhaps putting too much stock in what teenagers are telling them.

Oh and Leper, I have a question for you... If promiscuity is immoral and harms others, how should we punish promiscuous people?
Nature does it for us. ;)

That said, I don't see how bad sex detracts at all from good sex. Eating at McDonald's one day doesn't at all cheapen the experience of eating a nice, juicy Porterhouse.....
LOL! That was great, Borg. :D

Your example of McDonald's vs a nice gourmet meal is apt, but I find that the more gourmet I have, the less appetite I have for McDonald's, and that the cheap stuff doesn't really satisfy for long, and mostly makes me ill.
Thus highlighting a key difference between males and females. While we love an expensive medium rare porterhouse from Mortons - a whopper from Burger King can be really quite satisfying when you want it 'your way', and the real benefit lies in the cost difference between the two. Cheap and fast works plenty well for me, and it certainly doesn't (or wouldn't) detract from having sex with a super hot chick OR the woman you love for that matter.

Thus highlighting a key difference between males and females. While we love an expensive medium rare porterhouse from Mortons - a whopper from Burger King can be really quite satisfying when you want it 'your way', and the real benefit lies in the cost difference between the two. Cheap and fast works plenty well for me, and it certainly doesn't (or wouldn't) detract from having sex with a super hot chick OR the woman you love for that matter.
This makes a lot of sense.... Casual sex is nice, but often not that great. It's like pizza, as the old saying goes.

However, the best sex I ever had WAS a one night stand, so I guess there are exceptions to every rule.

This makes a lot of sense.... Casual sex is nice, but often not that great. It's like pizza, as the old saying goes.
I agree.
However, the best sex I ever had WAS a one night stand, so I guess there are exceptions to every rule.
Wow - not me. The only girl I ever fell in love with gave me the best time I ever had in the sack. That bitch also cost me a new Volkswagen, but whatever....

Wow - not me. The only girl I ever fell in love with gave me the best time I ever had in the sack. That bitch also cost me a new Volkswagen, but whatever....
Worth it!!! :D

Worth it!!! :D
Yeah - for her!!!

No freaking orgasm is worth 15 grand (well, maybe an unprotected one with Ashley Judd in the movie Double Jeopardy, but I digress).

At least, to her credit, my ex made roughly one quarter of the payments. I'll give her that much.

The way I see it, if you're a man, then you're paying for sex one way or another. That's why I view prostitution as being far easier (and not to mention, more honest) than a relationship is. And, usually, it's far cheaper. Thank god for places like Prague.

Yeah - for her!!!

No freaking orgasm is worth 15 grand (well, maybe an unprotected one with Ashley Judd in the movie Double Jeopardy, but I digress).

At least, to her credit, my ex made roughly one quarter of the payments. I'll give her that much.

The way I see it, if you're a man, then you're paying for sex one way or another. That's why I view prostitution as being far easier (and not to mention, more honest) than a relationship is. And, usually, it's far cheaper. Thank god for places like Prague.
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That's your view of woman?

some women are cunts like some men are assholes. if i judged all women by my "wife" i'd hate em all. and i can't.

i'm promiscuos (SP?). i have permission to fuck around. funny how when you have permission you can't get laid elsewhere. dear god, will you please stop fucking with me? i have had sex with only the same person for the last 14 1/2 years. go figure that one.

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That's your view of woman?
Oh, what? You mean the response I wrote that's dripping with humor? Yeah, sure.

However, the best sex I ever had WAS a one night stand, so I guess there are exceptions to every rule.

Dark, you can mention me by name you know...

;) LOL jk.

:lolhit: So modest, Decka. :thumbs:

Oh, what? You mean the response I wrote that's dripping with humor? Yeah, sure.
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I don't know much about Prague but I worry about the sanity of prostitutes and frankly think the men should be sent to jail and the woman sent to recovery.

Sorry I should have guessed it was humor

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I don't know much about Prague but I worry about the sanity of prostitutes and frankly think the men should be sent to jail and the woman sent to recovery.
Why? I think it's a perfectly fine way to make money if that's what you want to do.

Why? I think it's a perfectly fine way to make money if that's what you want to do.
To be sure, it's a job with a lot of risks. But I don't see how it's any different than working at any other dangerous job like a factory, or a university with a large proportion of disgruntled Asians.

Why? I think it's a perfectly fine way to make money if that's what you want to do.

So you think these people are not coax into it or were not forced into it at first. Or come from abusive homes to start with. And how about addictions these are your neighbors or a you just referring to the low income housing neighborhoods.

How many people with an access to a good education want to grow up and be a prostitute.

To be sure, it's a job with a lot of risks. But I don't see how it's any different than working at any other dangerous job like a factory, or a university with a large proportion of disgruntled Asians._______________________
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Say if your mom was home expecting some men over for woppy that can hurt her while your at school.

So you think these people are not coax into it or were not forced into it at first. Or come from abusive homes to start with. And how about addictions these are your neighbors or a you just referring to the low income housing neighborhoods.

How many people with an access to a good education want to grow up and be a prostitute.
How many people with access to a good education want to grow up and be factory workers? No one said that being a hooker was a particularly good job.

So you think these people are not coax into it or were not forced into it at first. Or come from abusive homes to start with. And how about addictions these are your neighbors or a you just referring to the low income housing neighborhoods.

How many people with an access to a good education want to grow up and be a prostitute.
Obviously being a hooker is a pretty risky job, but since when did anyone want to outlaw all risky jobs? If you have a good education you're not going to want to be a prostitute, but like Borg said, how many people with a good education want to be a factory worker or a miner or something like that?

As far as being "forced" and "coaxed" into prostitution, I agree that this is a big problem, but it's a problem that could be at least partially solved by making prostitution legal. These women would be a lot more likely to come forward about abuses if they weren't being branded as criminals. In Costa Rica, prostitution is legal but pimping is not - this helps prevent pimps from abusing their "employees". Legalizing adult prostitution also helps authorities stamp down on child prostitution.

how many people can learn at school worrying about there mother.

how many people can learn at school worrying about there mother.
What are you talking about?

helps authorities stamp down on child prostitution
You'll never find an example there just the opposite I think.

What are you talking about?
Say if your mom was home expecting some men over for woppy that can hurt her while your at school.

You'll never find an example there just the opposite I think.
How would that make any sense? If prostitutes are criminals, the police are certainly not going to make any headway trying to separate the ones who are underage from the adults.

Say if your mom was home expecting some men over for woppy that can hurt her while your at school.
The safest place for a prostitute to work is in a brothel, which for extra safety and cleanliness should be licensed and inspected by the government, just like a restaurant. The fact is that being a prostitute in a country where it's legal is MUCH safer than being a prostitute in a country in which it's illegal.

And by the way, CR, you could have said that prostitution is dangerous without bringing anyone's mother into it.

Wow a prostitute are not mothers so don't make them examples of one on the board.

Hey I would not be alive if I did not have a mother.

Hey I would not be alive if I did not have a mother.
Captain Obvious, to the rescue!

Captain Obvious, to the rescue!
:p Aren't you supposed to be in class right now? Pay attention!

:p Aren't you supposed to be in class right now? Pay attention!
My 1:50 class usually lets out early.

My 1:50 class usually lets out early.
Aha... Well then, go back to making fun of CR.:thumbs:

Aha... Well then, go back to making fun of CR.:thumbs:
Can do!

Hey I would not be alive if I did not have a mother.
I'm questioning whether or not you're alive, period.

I was gone for a while and I was referring that she was not the only one with a mother, and not to lecture me. And I was asking if your Mom was a cocksucker prostitute would you be normal.

And could you perform well at school under this siduation.

Well when I was younger my mother was a stripper....

And I was asking if your Mom was a cocksucker prostitute would you be normal.
OK, I know a lot of people suck dick, but calling someone a "cocksucker" is still not very nice.

I was gone for a while and I was referring that she was not the only one with a mother, and not to lecture me. And I was asking if your Mom was a cocksucker prostitute would you be normal.

And could you perform well at school under this siduation.
This is probably comparing apples to oranges, but hey, my mom was a lesbian. And you know what? I never thought anything was odd about it. Kids' concepts of "normal" are generally pretty broad. And besides, I doubt Hooker Mommy is going to be explaining in detail to her kids exactly what she does at her job. And I'm pretty sure that Take Your Child to Work Day is strictly verboten.

I guess what I'm trying to get at here is, why would having a hooker mom be any different from having a mom that works at Wal Mart?

why would having a hooker mom be any different from having a mom that works at Wal Mart?
the employee discount?

Dang, I just banged two hot black chicks.. I must have SOMETHING...

*bad joke... horrid.

....Jeez, horrid is right. :p Sorry Decka but when you bomb you REALLY bomb. :lolhit:

Dang, I just banged two hot black chicks.. I must have SOMETHING...

*bad joke... horrid.
yet another WTF! moment:rolleyes:

OK, I know a lot of people suck dick, but calling someone a "cocksucker" is still not very nice.


I think there is a HUGE difference between someone ok with engaging in oral sex and someone who is willing to engage in it with any guy that will give them money for it.

I think there is a HUGE difference between someone ok with engaging in oral sex and someone who is willing to engage in it with any guy that will give them money for it.
then there's the ones that don't even hold out for that...see "Clerks".

I think there is a HUGE difference between someone ok with engaging in oral sex and someone who is willing to engage in it with any guy that will give them money for it.
Yeah. She gets money for one of them. Sounds like a winner to me!

Yeah. She gets money for one of them. Sounds like a winner to me!


Guys are known to do it too. If its that big of a winner..jump on board!

Guys are known to do it too. If its that big of a winner..jump on board!
Being straight, I probably wouldn't enjoy giving head. And also, the living conditions for prostitutes, in areas where it is illegal (like here), are pretty awful. That pretty much rules out "whore" in the class of professions I'd like.

Being straight, I probably wouldn't enjoy giving head. And also, the living conditions for prostitutes, in areas where it is illegal (like here), are pretty awful. That pretty much rules out "whore" in the class of professions I'd like.


Good to know. But you do talk about it like it's so great.

So I was just checking.

Good to know. But you do talk about it like it's so great.

So I was just checking.
You seem to be confused. My central argument is that it's really none of your concern if someone wants to be a prostitute. It is their body, and they can do with it as they please. Your approval is not required.

You seem to be confused. My central argument is that it's really none of your concern if someone wants to be a prostitute. It is their body, and they can do with it as they please. Your approval is not required.


gottcha

I think there is a HUGE difference between someone ok with engaging in oral sex and someone who is willing to engage in it with any guy that will give them money for it.
Yes, but the word "cocksucker" doesn't simply mean someone who sucks cock. It's a VERY derogatory word. You could make the argument that the "C word" just means vagina and therefore it's ok to use to to refer to anyone with a vagina, but I don't think anyone would agree with that.

Yes, but the word "cocksucker" doesn't simply mean someone who sucks cock. It's a VERY derogatory word. You could make the argument that the "C word" just means vagina and therefore it's ok to use to to refer to anyone with a vagina, but I don't think anyone would agree with that.


Why because someone made it derogatory???

Yes, but the word "cocksucker" doesn't simply mean someone who sucks cock. It's a VERY derogatory word. You could make the argument that the "C word" just means vagina and therefore it's ok to use to to refer to anyone with a vagina, but I don't think anyone would agree with that.

Good lord, DF. Since when do people have to speak respectfully about prostitutes?

Why because someone made it derogatory???
OK fine, so next time someone calls me a "cocksucker", I'll just say "Why thank you!". Is that ok with you?

Good lord, DF. Since when do people have to speak respectfully about prostitutes?
Well I don't think they deserve to be disrespected.

Good lord, DF. Since when do people have to speak respectfully about prostitutes?
when someone uses a mother as an example. good lord, they're the 2 oldest professions!

OK fine, so next time someone calls me a "cocksucker", I'll just say "Why thank you!". Is that ok with you?


Well I don't think they deserve to be disrespected.


Say whatever you wish to say. Do you get called that a lot??? You seem awfully sensitive about that.

Well I don't think they deserve to be disrespected.

Considering it's criminal in most places and the very word "prostitute" is an insulting reference to most people, I disagree.

Considering it's criminal in most places and the very word "prostitute" is an insulting reference to most people, I disagree.
That's pretty specious reasoning. Something isn't wrong just because a lot of old men in suits said so.

Say whatever you wish to say. Do you get called that a lot??? You seem awfully sensitive about that.
Actually I can't think of any time someone has called me that, but I don't think I would particularly enjoy it. Would you?

Actually I can't think of any time someone has called me that, but I don't think I would particularly enjoy it. Would you?


It wouldn't bother me one bit. I dont let stuff like that bother me though.

It wouldn't bother me one bit. I dont let stuff like that bother me though.
That's a very good way to go through life, you cocksucker.

That's a very good way to go through life, you cocksucker.


Thank you.

That's pretty specious reasoning. Something isn't wrong just because a lot of old men in suits said so.

And that's a pretty specious characterization of my reasoning.

That's pretty specious reasoning. Something isn't wrong just because a lot of old men in suits said so.
oddly, it's women most opposed to it.

And that's a pretty specious characterization of my reasoning.
Then what is your reasoning? You basically said that hookers don't deserve any respect because it's illegal to be one in certain areas. And that still doesn't speak toward the hookers in brothels in Nevada, either.

Then what is your reasoning? You basically said that hookers don't deserve any respect because it's illegal to be one in certain areas. And that still doesn't speak toward the hookers in brothels in Nevada, either.

That wasn't all I said, Borg. Go back, read the post - it wasn't that long, you don't need to brief it with "basically, you said...(insert your slanted characterization)"

Anyways, my point is that it's silly to correct an individual for being disrespectful to prostitutes when the disrespect permeates throughout our society.

Well I think it's silly to be disrespectful to people just because "everyone else does it".

Anyways, my point is that it's silly to correct an individual for being disrespectful to prostitutes when the disrespect permeates throughout our society.
"Everyone else does it, therefore it's okay."

Pretty much. Convince me that the disrespect is unjustified and I'll reconsider.
Well, so far you haven't really justified it. "It's illegal in many places" and "Everyone else thinks they're scum, therefore I do too" aren't exactly scathing rebukes of the social ills caused by prostitution. Just a sad reflection of a society that has a tendency to get a bit holier-than-thou on the subject of sex.

Well, so far you haven't really justified it. "It's illegal in many places" and "Everyone else thinks they're scum, therefore I do too" aren't exactly scathing rebukes of the social ills caused by prostitution. Just a sad reflection of a society that has a tendency to get a bit holier-than-thou on the subject of sex.

You really want to discuss the social ills of irresponsible sex? Again? I'll be brief this time: unwanted pregnancy and STD's are bad.

P.S. I, AGAIN, object to your mischaracterizations of my position. I never said nor believed the following statement: "everyone else thinks they're scum, therefore I do too."

EDIT: As an afterthought, there's more to this...there are certain things we, as a society, have decided are disgusting and worthy of disrespect - digging up corpses, picking your nose and eating your boogers in public places, fucking farm animals, etc. Prostitution is one of those things. Now, the rationalization for the ostrasization of such activity is hard to pin down - they are deep-seated and almost unquestionable. The reasons why they're wrong have been largely lost but often have some good reason behind them that we no longer consider.

i just find it ludicrous that prostitution is a bad thing. how prostitutes are treated is what is bad. a healthy reasoning adult knows to wrap it when they have sex with someone they do not know well. if you catch something,or get someone pregnant, it is your own stupid fault. stop trying to have society regulate everything in our lives as if we are idiots.
prostitution has a lot of good things about it.
gives a lonely person a place to get off with another human being when they can't find a relationship with someone else. watchign porn and masturbating gets old.
or the person who is in a relationship and their S.O. can't or won't have sex with them. better than running into someone who is a possible crazed slasher.
gives some women who have no real other skills in life to make a lot of money or the will to a chance to do so.
where protitution is LEGAL like so many places in europe, the rape statistics are very low.

i just find it ludicrous that prostitution is a bad thing. how prostitutes are treated is what is bad. a healthy reasoning adult knows to wrap it when they have sex with someone they do not know well. if you catch something,or get someone pregnant, it is your own stupid fault. stop trying to have society regulate everything in our lives as if we are idiots.
prostitution has a lot of good things about it.
gives a lonely person a place to get off with another human being when they can't find a relationship with someone else. watchign porn and masturbating gets old.
or the person who is in a relationship and their S.O. can't or won't have sex with them. better than running into someone who is a possible crazed slasher.
gives some women who have no real other skills in life to make a lot of money or the will to a chance to do so.
where protitution is LEGAL like so many places in europe, the rape statistics are very low.


I'm sure you are smart enough to know this but I figured I would point it out anyway. Even if you "wrap it", you can still get an STD or get pregnant.

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be more careful. and i know that. they do tend to slip off, break, leak, etc.. that's why i'm here. i was an ac-see-dent.

You really want to discuss the social ills of irresponsible sex? Again? I'll be brief this time: unwanted pregnancy and STD's are bad.
Sure. That's why prostitution in areas where it is legal is regulated. The hookers have regular exams for STDs, I believe weekly in Nevada. And I'm sure they're on birth control.
P.S. I, AGAIN, object to your mischaracterizations of my position. I never said nor believed the following statement: "everyone else thinks they're scum, therefore I do too."
Leper, if you don't believe that then you need to be more careful with how you're stating your opinion. You're trying to tread a very fine line, and as such are taking issue with my exaggerations. The thing is, I'm honestly trying to use your logic and take it to its conclusion. You're using the logic but trying to pull up short, and I don't think that's being very honest, not with yourself and not with this topic.

Or, I could just be misinterpreting you. But I'm not intentionally trying to mischaracterize your opinions.
EDIT: As an afterthought, there's more to this...there are certain things we, as a society, have decided are disgusting and worthy of disrespect - digging up corpses, picking your nose and eating your boogers in public places, fucking farm animals, etc. Prostitution is one of those things. Now, the rationalization for the ostrasization of such activity is hard to pin down - they are deep-seated and almost unquestionable. The reasons why they're wrong have been largely lost but often have some good reason behind them that we no longer consider.
The biggest issue I have with this is the word "unquestionable". There's no such thing for me. Every social norm should be questioned. If there's no good reason for something, then there's no good reason for it. I think, if you're going to disrespect a group of about a million people in this country alone, you should have a good (and articulated) reason for it. Something like that demands explicit justification.

The examples you gave aren't that great. Digging up corpses is trespassing and possibly theft: Those corpses belong to the deceased's family. Picking your nose is impolite but acceptable in some situations. Fucking farm animals is potentially dangerous to the animal, which can't consent.

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That's funny, Nap!

Sure. That's why prostitution in areas where it is legal is regulated. The hookers have regular exams for STDs, I believe weekly in Nevada. And I'm sure they're on birth control.

That doesn't make prostitution free of STD's and unwanted pregnancies.


The biggest issue I have with this is the word "unquestionable". There's no such thing for me. Every social norm should be questioned. If there's no good reason for something, then there's no good reason for it. I think, if you're going to disrespect a group of about a million people in this country alone, you should have a good (and articulated) reason for it. Something like that demands explicit justification.

I'd like to hear what you'd say in response to someone who rightly claims that his urinating in your pool is not hurting anyone...Your argument is reasonable on its face, but I doubt the practical application of your logic.


The examples you gave aren't that great..

Nor are your responses.


Digging up corpses is trespassing

I'm no expert on cemetaries, but I'm pretty sure most cemetaries are open to the public.


and possibly theft: Those corpses belong to the deceased's family.

Well, I've never heard anyone argue that buried corpses are property of an individual, but I'm pretty sure you would lose that one.

Either way, I can easily change my example to fondling corpses or any other of an innumerable activities with corpses which are almost universally considered disgusting and unnatural.


Picking your nose is impolite but acceptable in some situations.

I'm trying to imagine a situation, in public, where it's acceptable to pick your nose and eat your boogies....when exactly do you do this Borg?


Fucking farm animals is potentially dangerous to the animal, which can't consent.

This might be the strangest of your responses - fucking farm animals is no more dangerous to the animal than fucking prostitutes is dangerous to the prostitute. I think you throw in the consent issue to try to distinguish these two scenarios....but butchering and frying animals in vats of boiling oil is also a little dangerous to the animal - do you object to that activity as well, on the grounds that the animal did not consent to being butchered and fried?

It looks like STD stands for Stupid Teen Disease.

That doesn't make prostitution free of STD's and unwanted pregnancies.
Who said it was? But the risks are far lower in areas where prostitution is legal and regulated.

As for your analogies, it's a waste of time to debate them: They're red herrings. Stick to the topic at hand.

Who said it was? But the risks are far lower in areas where prostitution is legal and regulated.

And who said they weren't?

As for your analogies, it's a waste of time to debate them: They're red herrings. Stick to the topic at hand.

In other words, you have no good response. If you could simply admit that some activities are ostracized by our society for no rational reason beyond time-tested cultural abhorrance, this would not be an issue. Part of my argument is that prostitution is one of these activities.

In other words, you have no good response. If you could simply admit that some activities are ostracized by our society for no rational reason beyond time-tested cultural abhorrance, this would not be an issue. Part of my argument is that prostitution is one of these activities.
Yes, they have been ostracized by society for no rational reason. I agree with that. I'm simply asking why that should be continued.

It looks like STD stands for Stupid Teen Disease.
I actually heard recently that the rate of STDs among seniors has been growing rapidly... Apparently a byproduct of the growing amount of healthy, active old people. ;)

That's mainly becaue one person loses a spouse and goes catting around. Those seniors who don't insist on protection just because the women can't become pregnant are simply idiots.

Well back when you old folks were young, STDs were something you could just get rid of with a shot of penicillin, so I suppose a lot of the elderly just don't think the risk is all that serious. :thumbs:

Well back when you old folks were young, STDs were something you could just get rid of with a shot of penicillin, so I suppose a lot of the elderly just don't think the risk is all that serious. :thumbs:
penicillin wasn't around when Frogger was young...heck, i doubt needles were invented yet:lolhit:

That's two in one day, Mike. You have now reached your limit on talking smack about Frogger. Keep it up and I will get some teenage girls to beat your ass. I know Leper will back me up, after all he thinks talking about someone deserves a thirty minute beating.

That's two in one day, Mike. You have now reached your limit on talking smack about Frogger. Keep it up and I will get some teenage girls to beat your ass. I know Leper will back me up, after all he thinks talking about someone deserves a thirty minute beating.


I think my oldest daughter and her friends could take him down
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