My wife and I use bags like this all the time for storing small items that would otherwise be easily lost. Banning something that has a legal use just because someone might find an illegal use for it seems somehow wrong.

City may ban little baggies
COUNCIL | They're 'Marketing 101' for drug dealers, cop says

March 5, 2008
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
Tiny plastic bags used to sell small quantities of heroin, crack cocaine, marijuana and other drugs would be banned in Chicago, under a crackdown advanced Tuesday by a City Council committee.

Ald. Robert Fioretti (2nd) persuaded the Health Committee to ban possession of "self-sealing plastic bags under two inches in either height or width," after picking up 15 of the bags on a recent Sunday afternoon stroll through a West Side park.

Lt. Kevin Navarro, commanding officer of the Chicago Police Department's Narcotics and Gang Unit, said the ordinance will be an "important tool" to go after grocery stores, health food stores and other businesses. The bags are used by the thousand to sell small quantities of drugs at $10 or $20 a bag.

Navarro referred to the plastic bags as "Marketing 101 for the drug dealers." Many of them have symbols, allowing drug users to ask for "Superman" or "Blue Dolphin" instead of the drug itself, he said.

Prior to the final vote, Ald. Walter Burnett (27th) expressed concern about arresting innocent people. He noted that extra buttons that come with suits, shirts and blouses -- and jewelry that's been repaired -- come in similar plastic bags.

Burnett was reassured by language that states "one reasonably should know that such items will be or are being used" to package, transfer, deliver or store a controlled substance. Violators would be punished by a $1,500 fine.

Health Committee Chairman Ed Smith (28th) said the ban is part of a desperate effort to stop what he called "the most destructive force" in Chicago neighborhoods.

"We need to use every measure that we possibly can to stop it because it is destroying our kids," he said.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/826059,CST-NWS-bagban05.article

Welcome to the wonder that is the War on Drugs.

My wife and I use bags like this all the time for storing small items that would otherwise be easily lost. Banning something that has a legal use just because someone might find an illegal use for it seems somehow wrong.

City may ban little baggies
COUNCIL | They're 'Marketing 101' for drug dealers, cop says

March 5, 2008
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
Tiny plastic bags used to sell small quantities of heroin, crack cocaine, marijuana and other drugs would be banned in Chicago, under a crackdown advanced Tuesday by a City Council committee.

Ald. Robert Fioretti (2nd) persuaded the Health Committee to ban possession of "self-sealing plastic bags under two inches in either height or width," after picking up 15 of the bags on a recent Sunday afternoon stroll through a West Side park.

Lt. Kevin Navarro, commanding officer of the Chicago Police Department's Narcotics and Gang Unit, said the ordinance will be an "important tool" to go after grocery stores, health food stores and other businesses. The bags are used by the thousand to sell small quantities of drugs at $10 or $20 a bag.

Navarro referred to the plastic bags as "Marketing 101 for the drug dealers." Many of them have symbols, allowing drug users to ask for "Superman" or "Blue Dolphin" instead of the drug itself, he said.

Prior to the final vote, Ald. Walter Burnett (27th) expressed concern about arresting innocent people. He noted that extra buttons that come with suits, shirts and blouses -- and jewelry that's been repaired -- come in similar plastic bags.

Burnett was reassured by language that states "one reasonably should know that such items will be or are being used" to package, transfer, deliver or store a controlled substance. Violators would be punished by a $1,500 fine.

Health Committee Chairman Ed Smith (28th) said the ban is part of a desperate effort to stop what he called "the most destructive force" in Chicago neighborhoods.

"We need to use every measure that we possibly can to stop it because it is destroying our kids," he said.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/826059,CST-NWS-bagban05.article How ridiculous!

Don't be silly Frogger - once those little baggies are gone, the drug trade will dry up. Surely you're willing to sacrifice your 86th Amendment (the right to bear tiny flexible polymer containers) rights to advance the war on drugs.

I think next a lawsuit should be filed against Dow, SC Johnson Wax, and the other money-grubbing scoundrels at "Big Baggie" to make them pay for their continued support of drug lords in their continuing quest to line their pockets.

well.....there went that trip to Chicago to hand over the goods to mob buddies :p

My wife and I use bags like this all the time for storing small items that would otherwise be easily lost. Banning something that has a legal use just because someone might find an illegal use for it seems somehow wrong.

City may ban little baggies
COUNCIL | They're 'Marketing 101' for drug dealers, cop says

March 5, 2008
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
Tiny plastic bags used to sell small quantities of heroin, crack cocaine, marijuana and other drugs would be banned in Chicago, under a crackdown advanced Tuesday by a City Council committee.

Ald. Robert Fioretti (2nd) persuaded the Health Committee to ban possession of "self-sealing plastic bags under two inches in either height or width," after picking up 15 of the bags on a recent Sunday afternoon stroll through a West Side park.

Lt. Kevin Navarro, commanding officer of the Chicago Police Department's Narcotics and Gang Unit, said the ordinance will be an "important tool" to go after grocery stores, health food stores and other businesses. The bags are used by the thousand to sell small quantities of drugs at $10 or $20 a bag.

Navarro referred to the plastic bags as "Marketing 101 for the drug dealers." Many of them have symbols, allowing drug users to ask for "Superman" or "Blue Dolphin" instead of the drug itself, he said.

Prior to the final vote, Ald. Walter Burnett (27th) expressed concern about arresting innocent people. He noted that extra buttons that come with suits, shirts and blouses -- and jewelry that's been repaired -- come in similar plastic bags.

Burnett was reassured by language that states "one reasonably should know that such items will be or are being used" to package, transfer, deliver or store a controlled substance. Violators would be punished by a $1,500 fine.

Health Committee Chairman Ed Smith (28th) said the ban is part of a desperate effort to stop what he called "the most destructive force" in Chicago neighborhoods.

"We need to use every measure that we possibly can to stop it because it is destroying our kids," he said.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/826059,CST-NWS-bagban05.article

LOL @ Frogger. If you and Mrs. have been 'storing little things that could become lost' in the same size baggies this ordinance is referring to, I'd like to know which headshop you purchase them from!! Under 2 inches in height and width aren't exactly available at your local Wallyworld.

:lolhit:

You can find them anywhere... The extra buttons on my clothes come in them.

You can find them anywhere... The extra buttons on my clothes come in them.

Oh really? You can buy empty baggies that size anywhere?? Not in Texas, you can't... only in headshops. Yeah, extra buttons come in them, but I don't really think they're trying to say drug dealers save up those extra buttons so they can sell drugs in the little baggies.

ROFLMAO

Oh really? You can buy empty baggies that size anywhere?? Not in Texas, you can't... only in headshops. Yeah, extra buttons come in them, but I don't really think they're trying to say drug dealers save up those extra buttons so they can sell drugs in the little baggies.

ROFLMAO

hay,back when I was a real Hipster,I had me a few flock a
them seal little plastic baggies.
But now that I'm an aging codger,I just as soon use em as
condoms for all the good it'll dude.

Oh really? You can buy empty baggies that size anywhere?? Not in Texas, you can't... only in headshops.
They sell them at craft stores, too. Well, at least they do around here (although presumably not in the city limits anymore).

I don't mess with anything that comes in a bag that small.

But now that I'm an aging codger,I just as soon use em as
condoms for all the good it'll dude.That's more than we needed to know.

Still, it's not surprising to discover you're a 'small package' type of guy.

That's more than we needed to know.

Still, it's not surprising to discover you're a 'small package' type of guy.

Ugh Ugh !
Woo-Woo-Woo.
N'yuk! N'yuk!
" Oh,wise guy,eh! "

I just as soon use em as
condoms for all the good it'll dude.



GAH......too much info Follie......too much info

I don't mess with anything that comes in a bag that small.
:lolhit: True. I thought you only saw harder drugs in tiny bags now. Even if we just want a gram or a dime, more often it'll be in the cellophane that comes around a pack of cigarettes, taped shut.

I can remember buying lb's in south TX for $60.00, nice tops, budds, clean stuff. Break it into ounces, sell 12 @$15. per, keep the remainder. Gas money & expenses that's all. Early 70s timeframe.

My wife has a ton of those little baggies she uses for holding scrapbooking supplies.

My wife has a ton of those little baggies she uses for holding scrapbooking supplies.

Hmmm,So yer in the scrap bidness.?
I get it,kinda like - Sanford & Son -.

LOL @ Frogger. If you and Mrs. have been 'storing little things that could become lost' in the same size baggies this ordinance is referring to, I'd like to know which headshop you purchase them from!! Under 2 inches in height and width aren't exactly available at your local Wallyworld.

:lolhit:

I purchase them in my local CVS Pharmacy which sell them in packs of 50.. I use them to hold my medicines when I travel. I can put a month' supply of meds in the bags and they take up hardly any room in my toiletry kit. I also use them in my workshopnto hold small screws, and things like that.

I purchase them in my local CVS Pharmacy which sell them in packs of 50.. I use them to hold my medicines when I travel. I can put a month' supply of meds in the bags and they take up hardly any room in my toiletry kit. I also use them in my workshopnto hold small screws, and things like that.

I dunno.Sounds to me like a certain someone is TOO wel organized,
kinda like a female file clerk at the office.

to hell with the small ones. how about those fucking plastic shopping bags you get at the store when you buy something, even milk (WHY?????? i always tell them do not put that in a bag please.), and the damn things are EVERYWHERE. the last wind storm i could drive around and count the bags hung up in the trees. at least when paper blew away it biodegrades into dirt.
but we are now getting cloth REUSABLE bags to shop with.

I dunno.Sounds to me like a certain someone is TOO wel organized,
kinda like a female file clerk at the office.

My wife would laugh that someone called me organized.

My wife would laugh that someone called me organized.

Men aren't traditionally.But anythung goes nowadays.
Look how many Male Hairdresser's there are.
More than Female,by a long shot.
BTW... I was a File clerk for awhile.
Part of being a Rate analyst.

I purchase them in my local CVS Pharmacy which sell them in packs of 50.. I use them to hold my medicines when I travel. I can put a month' supply of meds in the bags and they take up hardly any room in my toiletry kit. I also use them in my workshopnto hold small screws, and things like that.

Sorry, Frogger... but I'm still LOLing here. If FL sells little drug bags at CVS so old geezers (spoken lovingly) can buy them to keep their pills and screws in... in bundles of 50 no less, that state is farther behind times than I thought. Do they sell crack pipes and bongs at CVS, too?

(Amusing aside: Some dollar stores here (and there are a million), sell little glass flower vases, usually near the cash registers. They hold an ugly little artificial flower and sell for a buck. Druggies buy them, remove the flower and melt a little hole in one side with a butane torch. PRESTO! Instant meth pipe! Let's see... who owns most dollar stores?? Nevermind, don't wanna open that can o' worms. Wonder how long it'll take drug enforcement to get a handle on that situation?)

FL is just making it easier for drug dealers to conduct biz by selling 2 in x 2 inch baggies in bundles of 50 at CVS. Better stock up, dumplin. I bet that'll change too before long.

;)
SMW

P.S. ITA with PM about the plastic grocery bags. Personally, I wish they'd go to recycled brown paper bags w/handles, that can be reused multiple times. Another bone of contention... plastic water bottles. If somebody doesn't come up with a solution to the billions that hit the landfills every month, Uncle Sam is gonna have to step in there, too.

;)
SMW

P.S. ITA with PM about the plastic grocery bags. Personally, I wish they'd go to recycled brown paper bags w/handles, that can be reused multiple times. Another bone of contention... plastic water bottles. If somebody doesn't come up with a solution to the billions that hit the landfills every month, Uncle Sam is gonna have to step in there, too.[/QUOTE]
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San Fransico was THE first majot city to Ban plastic bags.Or maybe
it was Use plastic bags,instead of paper.Anyway it was a ? on
- Cash Cab - the Game show that takes place righ in a N.Y.C Cabbie.
BTW... San Dran Nan Pelosi is startin up her Libby shenanigans.
I was gonna say [$hit],but I do believe in limiting cus words.
Kinda save up for a Mod er two.
" Know what a mean "
-- B.Dern

Hate to burst your bubble, SMW, but I bought the plastic bags at a CVS in New York. Since they are reusable fifty is more than enough.

Hate to burst your bubble, SMW, but I bought the plastic bags at a CVS in New York. Since they are reusable fifty is more than enough.

How do we'z all know it wasn't at CBGB's,right off the floor.

Sorry, Frogger... but I'm still LOLing here. If FL sells little drug bags at CVS so old geezers (spoken lovingly) can buy them to keep their pills and screws in... in bundles of 50 no less, that state is farther behind times than I thought. Do they sell crack pipes and bongs at CVS, too?
I hope you're not really suggesting that you agree with this ridiculous prohibition on plastic bags, just because some drug users might keep their drugs in such a bag. Quick, let's ban cars too--some people transport drugs in cars!

Hate to burst your bubble, SMW, but I bought the plastic bags at a CVS in New York. Since they are reusable fifty is more than enough.


I miss having a CVS around here. All I am stuck with is over priced Rite Aide


PM,I agree about the plastic grocery bags,they are too small to hold anything and if they aren't doubled up you run the risk of losing anything in a glass jar or bottle. I save and reuse mine for the bathroom garbage can. Not very earth friendly,but at least I don't toss them out a window at someone driving on the freeway. Ever get one of those little mother effers caught in your car tire? Tis a joy to get it out I can tell you that

That's what you get for moving to the boonies.

That's what you get for moving to the boonies.


watch it gramps....I'll steal your cane :p

That's what you get for moving to the boonies.
most of us don't need drug dealing supplies:D

FYI-it's a crime to transport prescription meds outside of their original container.

These little bags are making a littering mess and should be banned.

These little bags are making a littering mess and should be banned.


the little bags in the article or the plastic shopping bags?

These little bags are making a littering mess and should be banned.
Ban soda cans, because people litter with those! Ban all paper and plastic products! Ban anything that anyone might, at some point in time, throw on the ground instead of in a trash can! Nanny state for life!

I purchase them in my local CVS Pharmacy which sell them in packs of 50.. I use them to hold my medicines when I travel. I can put a month' supply of meds in the bags and they take up hardly any room in my toiletry kit.

I just can't get over what a colossal waste of time it would be to put a month's worth of meds into untold number of little bitty 2" x 2" bags.

Tip: Zipper bags come in roughly 30 different sizes (http://jimallenpackaging.com/p21_fw.html#ZL) (and you don't have to buy 1000 at a time; just using this list to illustrate the wide choice of sizes).

P.S. ITA with PM about the plastic grocery bags. Personally, I wish they'd go to recycled brown paper bags w/handles, that can be reused multiple times. Another bone of contention... plastic water bottles. If somebody doesn't come up with a solution to the billions that hit the landfills every month, Uncle Sam is gonna have to step in there, too.

around here the majority end up on the side of the road, or in the waterways in one way or another. you don't have to BAN them, but what we need in this state is a bottle bill to bring in an incentive for people to return the bottles. those fucking shopping bags are another problem. since most never get recycled, end up in the landfill or the environment, i think those things need to be taxed like fuck.
but the most sensible thing is to not use them. bring your own cloth bags.
but people are genrally just fucking lazy and stupid.

know who the biggest pill dealers around here are ? old people.

i can tell you, around here, anyone that is under 65 has either tried pot, or is still smoking it. and almost all of the people 65 and older sell some or all of their pain medication to make ends meet. and a LOT of people are either eating the pills or snorting them.

We save all our plastic grocery bags and reuse them. I also refill plastic water bottles at least 3-4 times before getting another one.

the little bags in the article or the plastic shopping bags?
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The little dope bags because they are advertisements to kids.

I just can't get over what a colossal waste of time it would be to put a month's worth of meds into untold number of little bitty 2" x 2" bags.

They take up a hell of a lot less room in a toiletry kit then would the original containers. Placing them in the plastic bags also makes it easier to take certain medications that have to be taken with dinner to a restaurant.

watch it gramps....I'll steal your cane :p


Be careful or I'll take your corncob pipe, Mamie Yoakum. What will you smoke when you are sitting on the front porch with the hound dogs and the mason jar of moonshine if I do that?

Be careful or I'll take your corncob pipe, Mamie Yoakum. What will you smoke when you are sitting on the front porch with the hound dogs and the mason jar of moonshine if I do that?

Just pull out that pack of RizlaT papers & roll your own.

They take up a hell of a lot less room in a toiletry kit then would the original containers.

Of course. That's why I posted a link to the many different bag sizes that are available. There's no way it's easier to use multiple 2" x 2" bags for a month's worth of pills than it would be to use, say, one or two snack-sized baggies (6.6" x 3.25"), which, by the way, aren't banned in Boston or Chicago or anywhere else.

Placing them in the plastic bags also makes it easier to take certain medications that have to be taken with dinner to a restaurant.

They have these things called pockets; they're amazing. You've gotta get yourself some.

I'm sure your reasoning makes perfect sense to you, but common sense blows your need for these 2" x 2" bags out of the water. Essentially, your argument sounds like a not very well thought out excuse for selling lots of little tiny somethings in wee plastic bags.*



* I'm not trying to imply that you are dealing drugs. Rather, that your reasoning/explanation wouldn't convince even the rookiest drug enforcement agent. I recommend coming up with a more plausible story, just in case you get busted with a suitcase full of crack baggies.

Actually anyone who thinks you should just carry meds in your pockets is showing an abysmal lack of knowledge but then again I've come to expect such a lack from you, Frannie. You have shown yourself to have a lack of knowledge

Plastic bags are NOT a major source of pollution or a danger to animals.

“Of all the waste that goes to landfill, 20 per cent is household waste and 0.3 per cent is plastic bags.” They “don’t figure” in the majority of cases where animals die from marine debris, said David Laist, the author of a seminal 1997 study on the subject. Most deaths were caused when creatures became caught up in waste produce. “Plastic bags don’t figure in entanglement,” he said. “The main culprits are fishing gear, ropes, lines and strapping bands. Most mammals are too big to get caught up in a plastic bag.”

He added: “The impact of bags on whales, dolphins, porpoises and seals ranges from nil for most species to very minor for perhaps a few species.For birds, plastic bags are not a problem either.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3508263.ece






.

Wow, that's very interesting! I thought plastic bags were more of a problem than that.

Wow, that's very interesting! I thought plastic bags were more of a problem than that.
The main problem with plastic in general is the oil that is consumed in its production. The environmental impact of waste plastic is often overblown.

I agree with you about the oil used in their manufacture, Borg. That is why I take canvas bags with me when I go grocery shopping. I bought ten canvas bags of various sizes for $38 and use them over and over.

Be careful or I'll take your corncob pipe, Mamie Yoakum. What will you smoke when you are sitting on the front porch with the hound dogs and the mason jar of moonshine if I do that?



I'll just make another :p

Hate to burst your bubble, SMW, but I bought the plastic bags at a CVS in New York. Since they are reusable fifty is more than enough.

Frogger, fact is, you're using little dope bags to hold your pills and screws. If that's fine with you... it's okey-dokey with me, too. Heck, if your SS check is late one month, you can just sell some of your excess baggie-stash to your friendly neighborhood meth dealer. Throw in a few pretty pills for the kiddies and bet you could double your $$$!

Amazing...

Actually anyone who thinks you should just carry meds in your pockets is showing an abysmal lack of knowledge but then again I've come to expect such a lack from you, Frannie. You have shown yourself to have a lack of knowledge

You said you used the 2" x 2" bags to carry meds to restaurants. Why would my suggestion of simply dropping the few needed pills in your shirt pocket be considered "an abysmal lack of knowledge?"

Plastic bags are NOT a major source of pollution or a danger to animals.

“Of all the waste that goes to landfill, 20 per cent is household waste and 0.3 per cent is plastic bags.” They “don’t figure” in the majority of cases where animals die from marine debris, said David Laist, the author of a seminal 1997 study on the subject. Most deaths were caused when creatures became caught up in waste produce. “Plastic bags don’t figure in entanglement,” he said. “The main culprits are fishing gear, ropes, lines and strapping bands. Most mammals are too big to get caught up in a plastic bag.”

He added: “The impact of bags on whales, dolphins, porpoises and seals ranges from nil for most species to very minor for perhaps a few species.For birds, plastic bags are not a problem either.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3508263.ece

Uh? What do pollution/danger to animals have to do with my comments about using many, many 2" x 2" bags to store a month's worth of pills vs. using a slightly larger bag and not wasting colossal amounts of time and energy (and baggies)?

Clearly, you're an extremely confused person, Frogger. But no worries; we're all used to it by now.

Frogger, fact is, you're using little dope bags to hold your pills and screws. If that's fine with you... it's okey-dokey with me, too. Heck, if your SS check is late one month, you can just sell some of your excess baggie-stash to your friendly neighborhood meth dealer. Throw in a few pretty pills for the kiddies and bet you could double your $$$!

Amazing...
What's amazing is that you're making a big deal about the size of plastic bag Frogger uses. At least Frannie has a slight point in that one could economize with slightly larger bags; your sole argument is that "drug dealers use these bags, therefore they're BAD!"

What's amazing is that you're making a big deal about the size of plastic bag Frogger uses. At least Frannie has a slight point in that one could economize with slightly larger bags; your sole argument is that "drug dealers use these bags, therefore they're BAD!"
Seriously....


SMW: Do you think drug dealers invented 2x2 plastic baggies?? Plenty of other people use them. My mom's old friend from college is really into crafts, especially beading, and she often keeps beads and charms in tiny bags. Some people put medicine in them like frogger does. I have a couple in my sewing kit with buttons and safety pins in them. I wouldn't even say that drugs are the main use for the baggies, much less the only one.

What's amazing is that you're making a big deal about the size of plastic bag Frogger uses. At least Frannie has a slight point in that one could economize with slightly larger bags; your sole argument is that "drug dealers use these bags, therefore they're BAD!"

I'm making a big deal out of the bag size? Well, let's see what did that article say?

Tiny plastic bags used to sell small quantities of heroin, crack cocaine, marijuana and other drugs would be banned in Chicago, under a crackdown advanced Tuesday by a City Council committee.

Ald. Robert Fioretti (2nd) persuaded the Health Committee to ban possession of "self-sealing plastic bags under two inches in either height or width," after picking up 15 of the bags on a recent Sunday afternoon stroll through a West Side park.

Lt. Kevin Navarro, commanding officer of the Chicago Police Department's Narcotics and Gang Unit, said the ordinance will be an "important tool" to go after grocery stores, health food stores and other businesses. The bags are used by the thousand to sell small quantities of drugs at $10 or $20 a bag.

Navarro referred to the plastic bags as "Marketing 101 for the drug dealers." Many of them have symbols, allowing drug users to ask for "Superman" or "Blue Dolphin" instead of the drug itself, he said.

Guess they could start selling crack and meth in sandwich bags... although I doubt many addicts could afford that quantity.

If Frogger really wants to be environmentally friendly, he would use a plastic re-usable pillbox instead of disposables to carry his meds around in the first place.

:p
SMW

If Frogger really wants to be environmentally friendly, he would use a plastic re-usable pillbox instead of disposables to carry his meds around in the first place.

Oh, but that's too much of a hassle! :lolhit:

I'm making a big deal out of the bag size? Well, let's see what did that article say?
Yes, and I think the city of Chicago is being utterly ridiculous as well. "Someone else did it too" is not a viable excuse.
Guess they could start selling crack and meth in sandwich bags
Or they could travel at most a couple of miles to a suburb and buy the bags there.

Yes, and I think the city of Chicago is being utterly ridiculous as well. "Someone else did it too" is not a viable excuse.

Or they could travel at most a couple of miles to a suburb and buy the bags there.

Just out of curiosity, are 'rolling papers' readily available in Chicago, too?

How about other locales?

In Texas, most independent convenience stores sell them behind the counter, but you have to ask for them. They're never sold in chain stores. And you can only get the ones printed to look like hundred dollar bills at 'alternative lifestyle' shops.... along with those 50 pk bundles of 2 x 2 baggies and every flavor incense known to mankind.

;)
SMW

The main problem with plastic in general is the oil that is consumed in its production. The environmental impact of waste plastic is often overblown.

DF, don't listen to EVERYTHING the Borgman sez... he's way off base with this issue. Any manufactured material that takes 1,000 years to break down is hazardous to this planet -- esp when we use approx 500 BILLION to 1 TRILLION of them a year.

Stephanie Barger has seen what washes up on the shores of Southern California. The executive director of Earth Resource Foundation, Barger has helped clean up the sands of Orange County and has helped educate people about the effects of a society that embraces disposability.

For every bag, there's a cost. Environment California reports that plastic bags, and other plastic refuse that end up in the ocean, kill up to one million sea creatures every year, such as birds, whales, seals, sea turtles, and others. And the number of marine mammals that die each year because of eating or being entanglement in plastic is estimated at 100,000 in the North Pacific Ocean alone.

The Algalita Marine Research Foundation learned that "broken, degraded plastic pieces outweigh surface zooplankton in the central North Pacific by a factor of 6-1. That means six pounds of plastic for every single pound of zooplankton." Which means, when birds and sea animals or looking for food -- more often, they are finding plastic.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/61607/

Just out of curiosity, are 'rolling papers' readily available in Chicago, too?
I'm sure they are, but I don't have the experience to say with complete confidence that this is the case. I've never bought or had reason to buy rolling papers.

I'm sure they are, but I don't have the experience to say with complete confidence that this is the case. I've never bought or had reason to buy rolling papers.

Well, dear, if you've never bought any, it might behoove you to say, "I don't know" instead of "I'm sure they are." There's no shame in admitting there's actually SOMETHING you don't know.

;)
SMW

You can buy rolling papers in lots of places around here... They have them at 7-Eleven, at the grocery store in the tobacco supplies section, and probably at the tobacconist shop over next to the Chinese restaurant. At 7-Eleven I think they're behind the counter, but in the grocery store they're right out on the shelf.

You can buy rolling papers in lots of places around here... They have them at 7-Eleven, at the grocery store in the tobacco supplies section, and probably at the tobacconist shop over next to the Chinese restaurant. At 7-Eleven I think they're behind the counter, but in the grocery store they're right out on the shelf.

That's interesting, DF! No way do they sell them at 7-Elevens here... or grocery stores either. Yeah... tobacconist shops.

My daddy used to roll his own cigarettes. I thought it was fascinating to watch him.

;)
SMW

Well, dear, if you've never bought any, it might behoove you to say, "I don't know" instead of "I'm sure they are." There's no shame in admitting there's actually SOMETHING you don't know.

;)
SMW
SMW lecturing Borg on humility... LOL!

Frogger, fact is, you're using little dope bags to hold your pills and screws. If that's fine with you... it's okey-dokey with me, too. Heck, if your SS check is late one month, you can just sell some of your excess baggie-stash to your friendly neighborhood meth dealer. Throw in a few pretty pills for the kiddies and bet you could double your $$$!

Amazing...

SmartMouthWoman,

I'm not using little dope bags to hold my medicines and screws. Drug dealers are using small plastic bags designed to hold pills (they have the word pills printed on them) and using them for a nefarious purpose.

Drug mules use condoms to transport drugs. Are you suggesting everyone who uses a condom is using drug paraphenalia?

Kids make bongs out of soda bottles. Are all those Coke and Pepsi drinkers using drug paraphenalia.

The fact that things with a legitimate purpose are used for illegitimate purposes by some people does not make the items themselves illegitimate.

Lots of young people like to smoke 'blunts'. Maybe we should ban Phillies cigars.

SMW lecturing Borg on humility... LOL!

Not humility, dear... credibility. There's a big difference in the two.

:banana:

And Frogger... what I don't understand is this. You buy your little baggies in pkts of 50 in NY and you use them in FL. So why are you even concerned they're going to be banned in Chicago?

Surely those little baggies aren't all THAT important to you, are they???

If they are, you might wanna protest Texas, too... 'cuz like I said, they've been banned from sale in most retail establishments here for years now.

LOL @ the bongs outta soda 'bottles.' Good try, Mr. Streetwise, but I think they actually use CANS.

;)
SMW

And they use bottles. Maybe you don't know as much as you think you know. Well, since you think you know everything that is almost a certainty.



I don't like the fact that Chicago is thinking of banning the bags because I think it is an abrogation of people's rights. I don't live in Alaska but I would be upset if they suddenly banned snowmobiles up there.

LOL @ the bongs outta soda 'bottles.' Good try, Mr. Streetwise, but I think they actually use CANS.
No, he's right. You use a bottle to make a bong, a can to make a pipe. I guess you could use a can for a bong too, but it would be a little small.

No, he's right. You use a bottle to make a bong, a can to make a pipe. I guess you could use a can for a bong too, but it would be a little small.


Ouch!

Take that, SmartMouthWoman. Bottles for bongs, cans for pipes.

We young people know our dope paraphenalia.:banana:

We young people know our dope paraphenalia.:banana:
:lolhit: Yeah right, old man... Go back to sorting out your pills into your precious tiny bags!:p

:lolhit: Yeah right, old man... Go back to sorting out your pills into your precious tiny bags!:p


Look, Mr. DarkFantasy, sir, don't make me smack you around. You young fellas are all alike.

LOL @ the bongs outta soda 'bottles.' Good try, Mr. Streetwise, but I think they actually use CANS.
My friend made a waterfall bong out of a two liter bottle in high school. I happened to see the thing in operation (though I did not smoke pot then); pretty ingenious. I'm trying to envision using a can as a bong and not succeeding: As DF said, it'd be a tad cramped. Cans are less than ideal anyway, as inhaling aluminum is a very bad thing.

Not humility, dear... credibility. There's a big difference in the two.
That you don't know it is, frankly, funny as shit, considering you have neither.

And they use bottles. Maybe you don't know as much as you think you know. Well, since you think you know everything that is almost a certainty.



I don't like the fact that Chicago is thinking of banning the bags because I think it is an abrogation of people's rights. I don't live in Alaska but I would be upset if they suddenly banned snowmobiles up there.

OK, so I never heard of anyone using a bottle as a bong... and can't figure out how it would work since a bong needs more than one hole and I'm thinking GLASS bottles which would be a little difficult to drill thru, but if you're talking PLASTIC bottles, then OK... I WAS WRONG!!!!

But I still think your stance on making sure drug dealers have ready access to packaging supplies just so you'll have something to carry your pills around in is just plain silly.

Like my sweet mama used to say... pick your battles, darlin. Not everything is worth getting upset about.

;)
SMW

Are you seriously advocating banning any container that could possibly be used for drugs? I'm pretty sure that would be impossible, from a practical standpoint... Drug dealers could (and DO) easily use bigger bags, small bottles/jars/other tiny plastic containers, candy packages, plastic wrap, aluminum foil, cigarette packs, etc. In fact, those tiny plastic bags are probably harder to find and less economical than many of the alternatives I mentioned.

Are you seriously advocating banning any container that could possibly be used for drugs? I'm pretty sure that would be impossible, from a practical standpoint... Drug dealers could (and DO) easily use bigger bags, small bottles/jars/other tiny plastic containers, candy packages, plastic wrap, aluminum foil, cigarette packs, etc. In fact, those tiny plastic bags are probably harder to find and less economical than many of the alternatives I mentioned.

If you're talking to me, DF... NO, I never said I approve of banning anything. However, I don't think making 50 pk bundles of 2x2 baggies a little harder to come by than picking up a bunch at your corner drug store is unreasonable.

Like I said before, those same little baggies are still available in Texas... but they're only available at 'alternative lifestyle' (head) shops. Probably doesn't do all that much to cut down on the ability of drug dealers to buy them, but it's a little more difficult than stocking them on the shelf at CVS.

After all, Frogger could stop by Pipedreams and pick up his monthly supply and get the Mrs. a few new blacklight posters and a stick or two of incense at the same time.

Win-win situation!

;)
SMW

ROFL.... ::imagines Frogger in a head shop::... :D

Frogger was in head shops before you were born, missy.

It's kind of a hilarious thought though. They'd probably think you were an undercover cop or something. :p

Actually, they'd think I was some cool dude looking to roll a few dubes and mellow out.

Actually, they'd think I was some cool dude looking to roll a few dubes and mellow out.
"Dubes"? ::giggles::

Borg, I knew about head shops when you were still shitting yellow in your diaper. Oh, wait, that wasn't all that long ago was it.:banana: