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Dunkirk101
02-28-2008, 11:09 AM
According to this report, it sure looks that way :eek:

Record-high ratio of Americans in prison
By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer
14 minutes ago



NEW YORK - For the first time in history, more than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report tracking the surge in inmate population and urging states to rein in corrections costs with alternative sentencing programs.


The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said.

Using updated state-by-state data, the report said 2,319,258 adults were held in U.S. prisons or jails at the start of 2008 — one out of every 99.1 adults, and more than any other country in the world.

The steadily growing inmate population "is saddling cash-strapped states with soaring costs they can ill afford and failing to have a clear impact either on recidivism or overall crime," said the report.

Susan Urahn, managing director of the Pew Center on the States, said budget woes are prompting officials in many states to consider new, cost-saving corrections policies that might have been shunned in the recent past for fear of appearing soft in crime.

"We're seeing more and more states being creative because of tight budgets," she said in an interview. "They want to be tough on crime, they want to be a law-and-order state — but they also want to save money, and they want to be effective."

The report cited Kansas and Texas as states which have acted decisively to slow the growth of their inmate population. Their actions include greater use of community supervision for low-risk offenders and employing sanctions other than reimprisonment for ex-offenders who commit technical violations of parole and probation rules.

"The new approach, born of bipartisan leadership, is allowing the two states to ensure they have enough prison beds for violent offenders while helping less dangerous lawbreakers become productive, taxpaying citizens," the report said.

While many state governments have shown bipartisan interest in curbing prison growth, there also are persistent calls to proceed cautiously.

"We need to be smarter," said David Muhlhausen, a criminal justice expert with the conservative Heritage Foundation. "We're not incarcerating all the people who commit serious crimes — but we're also probably incarcerating people who don't need to be."

According to the report, the inmate population increased last year in 36 states and the federal prison system.

The largest percentage increase — 12 percent — was in Kentucky, where Gov. Steve Beshear highlighted the cost of corrections in his budget speech last month. He noted that the state's crime rate had increased only about 3 percent in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600 percent.

The Pew report was compiled by the Center on the State's Public Safety Performance Project, which is working directly with 13 states on developing programs to divert offenders from prison without jeopardizing public safety.

"For all the money spent on corrections today, there hasn't been a clear and convincing return for public safety," said the project's director, Adam Gelb. "More and more states are beginning to rethink their reliance on prisons for lower-level offenders and finding strategies that are tough on crime without being so tough on taxpayers."

The report said prison growth and higher incarceration rates do not reflect a parallel increase in crime or in the nation's overall population. Instead, it said, more people are behind bars mainly because of tough sentencing measures, such as "three-strikes" laws, that result in longer prison stays.

"For some groups, the incarceration numbers are especially startling," the report said. "While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine."

The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails — a total 2,319,258 out of almost 230 million American adults.

The report said the United States is the world's incarceration leader, far ahead of more populous China with 1.5 million people behind bars. It said the U.S. also is the leader in inmates per capita (750 per 100,000 people), ahead of Russia (628 per 100,000) and other former Soviet bloc nations which make up the rest of the Top 10.





link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080228/ap_on_re_us/prison_population

DarkFantasy96
02-28-2008, 11:33 AM
It's good news that some states are making efforts to keep the violent offenders in jail instead of the ones who don't particularly deserve it...

Napsterbater
02-28-2008, 11:35 AM
If you're a black male, you have a better than an 11% chance of being in jail. Seems to be something wrong with that, I just can't put my finger on it.

CarbonBasedLife
02-28-2008, 06:35 PM
If you're a black male, you have a better than an 11% chance of being in jail. Seems to be something wrong with that, I just can't put my finger on it.

DNA!

mikezila
02-28-2008, 07:51 PM
before the Brits had Australia, they dumped their criminals on North America.

DarkFantasy96
02-28-2008, 08:48 PM
before the Brits had Australia, they dumped their criminals on North America.
That's true, and also the earliest immigrants tended to be a lot of people with no prospects at home who were willing to take a chance. Same with the later European immigrants of the 19th and early 20th centuries - generally they were the poor, the uneducated, and I'd wager quite a few criminals!

Leper
02-29-2008, 07:26 AM
About 20% are in for drug crimes. Therein is the problem if you ask me. We need to decriminalize some drug crimes - marijuana would be an obvious choice. I would also suggest a lot of the "lesser" drugs.

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/press/p04pr.htm

HaVoK
02-29-2008, 09:50 AM
About 20% are in for drug crimes. Therein is the problem if you ask me. We need to decriminalize some drug crimes - marijuana would be an obvious choice. I would also suggest a lot of the "lesser" drugs.

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/press/p04pr.htmI think drug USAGE should be no crime at all. If you want to criminalize someone, go after the people who are preying on their fellow man's weaknesses, the dealers.

Incarcerating someone for possession of small amounts of drugs is counter productive, imo. Offer counseling (on their dime if possible), and even in some situations that need it, intervention.

Frogger
02-29-2008, 09:56 AM
If blacks, especially young, black males are taken out of the picture the figures are much less startling.

Napsterbater
02-29-2008, 11:00 AM
I would far prefer that states incarcerate less people as a budgetary measure than try to figure out how to incarcerate more people on limited budgets.

DarkFantasy96
02-29-2008, 01:55 PM
About 20% are in for drug crimes. Therein is the problem if you ask me. We need to decriminalize some drug crimes - marijuana would be an obvious choice. I would also suggest a lot of the "lesser" drugs.

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/press/p04pr.htm
Exactly. The users, and even the small time dealers, are a waste of time for the DEA. If they concentrated on the "big fish" - traffickers, and large dealers who supply a lot of small ones - the war on drugs would probably be a lot more effective, and the prisons would be a lot less crowded.

primitive man
03-05-2008, 08:57 AM
with the rising economic distance in haves and have nots, i'm not surprised.

Canadianreader
03-08-2008, 07:26 AM
If you're a black male, you have a better than an 11% chance of being in jail. Seems to be something wrong with that, I just can't put my finger on it.

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primitive man
03-08-2008, 12:13 PM
That's true, and also the earliest immigrants tended to be a lot of people with no prospects at home who were willing to take a chance. Same with the later European immigrants of the 19th and early 20th centuries - generally they were the poor, the uneducated, and I'd wager quite a few criminals!

yes, true. but the majority of the "criminals" were petty crimes today. like stealing an apple. and then you get turned over into indentured servitude. i.e.- slavery. which may never be worked off since the slightest offence to your master could lengthen the sentence of slavery.
white slavery did not offically end in america until the 1840's.
black slavery 1860's
you know why there are amendments to the constitution? rich people have to be reminded what equal really means.
now you gots the true basis of "democracy" in america.

most criminals are for drugs. most could be lessened by releasing the pot heads. then legalize the pot, or just decriminalize it. then you'll have lots of room for the truely violent criminals. murders, crackheads, methheads, rapists, etc.. the majority of potheads are not violent people. just freethinkers.

Canadianreader
03-08-2008, 08:21 PM
It depends if you consider vise a criminal act.