A new poll says 44 percent of Americans are swapping religions from the one in which they were raised. Have you? http://cnn.com/am/

I was raised in no religion, and I continue to have none. :)

i was sort of raised around religion. but never went to church until i was 10. and only weent for a year. and still never believed anything. so, i guess i have never swapped religions. i believe like i always have.
you want faith jumpers, go into the new age crowd. people there change beliefs like some people change their socks.

I was raised in no religion, and I continue to have none. :)
Same here.

^ ^ ^ ^
I was raised in no religion, and I continue to have none. :)

I was raised Lutheran and I'm still Lutheran. I went to church regularly as a child and I still go to church regularly.

My wife was raised Roman Catholic. She went to church regularly as a child and still goes to church regularly.

Two of my chldren have stayed the religion they were raised as children and two have changed religions, one to Pentacostal and one to Pryspertarian.

They all went to church regularly as children and they all still go to church regularly.

I was raised Lutheran and I'm still Lutheran. I went to church regularly as a child and I still go to church regularly.

My wife was raised Roman Catholic. She went to church regularly as a child and still goes to church regularly.

Two of my chldren have stayed the religion they were raised as children and two have changed religions, one to Pentacostal and one to Pryspertarian.

They all went to church regularly as children and they all still go to church regularly.

Since it's Traditional for the Brides parents to foot and arrange
the Marriage,and if yer wife was raised Catholic,then The Brides
Parents {being Catholic,also} would demand nothing short of a Marriage
IN THE CHURCH BY PRIEST.Because Catholics are firmly raised to
consider Marriage a Sacrament,and thefore only being recognized as such
in a Catholic Church with a Priest.
A Priest is REQUIRED by the Roman Catholic Papacy to sit down
and personally get to know,over time those that will be married by him
in his church.

Again,this means that YOU would have had to make numerous visits
with a Catholic Priest,before the Wedding in order to have the
Right to Wed in a Catholic Church.

Sorry, Foolie, we were married at Grace Lutheran Church on Long Island.

While my wife is Roman Catholic she often attends my church and while I am Lutheran I often attend hers.

I had Catholocism shoved down my throat from birth. I attended parochial schools through the 8th grade and continued irregularly with religious training through high school. I was forced to attend Sunday services and partake in the various rituals until such time that I entered the military in 1968. That's when I stopped participating in any type of organized religion. I do not go to any services, other than the occasional funeral or wedding. I don't miss it in the least.

Sorry, Foolie, we were married at Grace Lutheran Church on Long Island.

While my wife is Roman Catholic she often attends my church and while I am Lutheran I often attend hers.

It is highly Irregular for a Catholic Brides Parents to NOT want their
daughter Married in a Church.In fact,I doubt they would pay for
a wedding unless that condition was met.
Did Yer Wife's parents pay for the wedding.?

They paid a bit and she and I paid the rest.

My wife was a widow who had been first married in a Roman Catholic Church. Since she and I were no longer young kids we decided where we would be married.

They paid a bit and she and I paid the rest.

My wife was a widow who had been first married in a Roman Catholic Church. Since she and I were no longer young kids we decided where we would be married.

Again,Yer really diggin a hole fer yerself,thar Bubs.
Up until the last 2 decades,The Catholic Church was very AGAINST almost
ALL Divorce.It was the exception for The Catholic Church in Rome to
allow for a Divorce.
Man,yer really in a pickle now.
I don't believe a word you say.

Again,Yer really diggin a hole fer yerself,thar Bubs.
Up until the last 2 decades,The Catholic Church was very AGAINST almost
ALL Divorce.It was the exception for The Catholic Church in Rome to
allow for a Divorce.
Man,yer really in a pickle now.
I don't believe a word you say.
Divorce?

I was raised Baptist. I also tried other churches when I was in high school. I sang in the choir! Oh boy. Only because my girlfriend's mom was the music director. Later I started going to Unity and went there for several years. I have been a non-believer in a God though for several years now. My girlfriend was raised Old German Baptist Bretheren. Whatever that is. She has never been to church and seems to tolerate me being a non-believer.

I don't believe a word you say.

So you didn't believe him when he said "Widow?"

I was raised Baptist.

I'm somewhat less religious now. http://www.badkarmaonline.com/images/DEVIL.gif

So you didn't believe him when he said "Widow?"

I don't Believe Our Frogman when he runs his mouth about how
much he knows about certain subjects.He is a little show off.
Can't stand appearing ill-informed or being usurped by another
with a better grasp or command of subject matter.
I don't think he knows the first thing about Catholicism.
I believe he even affirmed to being a Roman Catholic,at one point.
He's a puffer.Loves to amaze posters with his experience on many a
topic or field of endeaver.
I knew someone just like him at IMDb.com.The guy was considered some
kind of Grand Master of sorts.The guy knew Movies and had a huge
following based soley on his ELOQUENCE of writing.He never dared
mispell or use anything but proper syntax.
But the guy was a puffer...also.
Basically a bullcrapper.

I don't Believe Our Frogman when he runs his mouth about how
much he knows about certain subjects.He is a little show off.
Can't stand appearing ill-informed or being usurped by another
with a better grasp or command of subject matter.
I don't think he knows the first thing about Catholicism.
I believe he even affirmed to being a Roman Catholic,at one point.
He's a puffer.Loves to amaze posters with his experience on many a
topic or field of endeaver.
I knew someone just like him at IMDb.com.The guy was considered some
kind of Grand Master of sorts.The guy knew Movies and had a huge
following based soley on his ELOQUENCE of writing.He never dared
mispell or use anything but proper syntax.
But the guy was a puffer...also.
Basically a bullcrapper. Like him or not at least you can understand what Frogger is saying!

My mom was raised in no religion, like me. Her father is not religious at all, but I suppose he was probably raised either Catholic (my great-grandmother is Italian) or Lutheran (her husband was Swedish), depending on which of them converted. Most of my mother's family seems to be not very religious at all (I think you can tell since I have no idea what religion any of them are), except her mother, who has been a Christian Scientist ever since "God cured her breast cancer"....

My father's family is VERY Catholic. My grandmother is the head of her chapter of the Daughters of St. Francis, and very active in the Jewish-Catholic Dialog, among other organizations in her area. My father doesn't really believe in any of that, and he has said that he wants to convert to Judaism when my grandma dies (my step-mother is Jewish, not insanely religious, but my sister goes to Sunday school at the synagogue, etc.). My mother and father were not married, but my dad and step-mom got married in a Catholic church in an interfaith ceremony with both a priest and a rabbi officiating. My father also participates in synagogue happenings, since they are raising my little sister Jewish.

As far as my early introductions to religion.... I've been to Catholic church with my paternal grandmother many times, Christian Science church with my maternal grandmother a few times when I was little, Quaker church quite regularly for a couple years as a kid with my mom, and synagogue services a few times, mainly in the past couple of years (for my sister's naming ceremony, and services for families with small children in which my sister's Sunday school class sometimes participates, etc.) I have also been to Episcopal church with my boyfriend.

Foolie,

Maybe you should change your handle to dumby.

My wife was a widow with three children when I married her. I knew her, her husband and the kids before her husband died of an inoperable brain tumor. In fact I was OUR oldest son's scout leader.

The fact that she was a Roman Catholic widow with three young children when we got married explains why three of our children were raised Roman Catholic and one Lutheran and helps explain why we paid for almost all of our wedding and were not married in a RomanCatholic church.

My wife and I have raised all four of our children together and I have never considered them anything but my children. There is no difference between the three she had when we got married and the one we had together. All four are OUR children. All seven of their children are OUR grandchildren as will be the eighth who will be born this June.

I really don't care whether you believe me or not.

Foolie,

Maybe you should change your handle to dumby.

My wife was a widow with three children when I married her. I knew her, her husband and the kids before her husband died of an inoperable brain tumor. In fact I was OUR oldest son's scout leader.

The fact that she was a Roman Catholic widow with three young children when we got married explains why three of our children were raised Roman Catholic and one Lutheran and helps explain why we paid for almost all of our wedding and were not married in a RomanCatholic church.

My wife and I have raised all four of our children together and I have never considered them anything but my children. There is no difference between the three she had when we got married and the one we had together. All four are OUR children. All seven of their children are OUR grandchildren as will be the eighth who will be born this June.

I really don't care whether you believe me or not.

Spare me the details...PlEaSe. Anyone who posts,so cavalierly,their
personal family history with such minutia,isn't acting responsible let alone
prudent.Does yer immediate family know yer blabbin on a public forum
about them and their lives.
Anyonne familiar with the wide array of every known creep and weirdo
that traverse the Internet,would in the least NOT throw caution to
the wind and publically inform,like a business interview,aspects of their
personal life.
Yer not only full or it,yer also recklessly loose as a goose on
a caboose in CartoonLand.
And Dumbo chairs yer Circus,as well.

You know, Foolie, fuck you. You have continuously called me a liar and impugned my honesty especially about my religion. I will no longer respond to any of your posts and I request you no longer respond to or reference any of mine.

As far as I am concerned you are the lowest of the low when it comes to Allforums posters. You are a piece of shit and I want nothing more to do with you.

In short, go fuck yourself.

Frogger, shame on you for being so proud of your family!!! :rolleyes:

afinertouch,

I am completely finished with Foolsworth. He has insulted me and in the past he has insulted my family,suggesting my wife is either a liar of a bad Roman Catholic.

As far as I am concerned Foolsworth no longer exist and if he ever again insults a member of my family I will request that he be permenantly banned from Allforums.

I have been following this thread and was a bit shocked.
Knowing Frogger being a proud and religious man, I think
his honesty and integrity in this matter is NOT in question.

DF-your a bit of an all rounder :)

You know, Foolie, fuck you. You have continuously called me a liar and impugned my honesty especially about my religion. I will no longer respond to any of your posts and I request you no longer respond to or reference any of mine.

As far as I am concerned you are the lowest of the low when it comes to Allforums posters. You are a piece of shit and I want nothing more to do with you.

In short, go fuck yourself.

Lesson for Frogger... nobody can get your goat if you don't tell 'em where you keep it tied up.

IOW, you really shouldn't divulge so much personal information and then get all pissy when someone uses it against you.

Now take a deep breath, calm down and put the Fool on ignore. And next time, keep all that ammo to yourself, darlin, and it can't possibly come back and bite you in the butt.

;)
SMW

Spare me the details...PlEaSe. Anyone who posts,so cavierly,their
personal family history with such minutia,isn't acting responsible let alone
prudent.Does yer immediate family know yer blabbin on a public forum
about them and their lives.
Anyonne familiar with the wide array of every known creep and weirdo
that traverse the Internet,would in the least NOT throw caution to
the wind and publically inform,like a business interview,aspects of their
personal life.
Yer not only full or it,yer also recklessly loose as a goose on
a caboose in CartoonLand.
And Dumbo chairs yer Circus,as well.

Oops, didn't see this post until after I'd already commented. Even the Fool knows blabbing about one's family isn't a good idea. TMI... definitely TMI.

Lesson for Frogger... nobody can get your goat if you don't tell 'em where you keep it tied up.

IOW, you really shouldn't divulge so much personal information and then get all pissy when someone uses it against you.

Now take a deep breath, calm down and put the Fool on ignore. And next time, keep all that ammo to yourself, darlin, and it can't possibly come back and bite you in the butt.

;)
SMW :corn:

Lesson for Frogger... nobody can get your goat if you don't tell 'em where you keep it tied up.

IOW, you really shouldn't divulge so much personal information and then get all pissy when someone uses it against you.

Now take a deep breath, calm down and put the Fool on ignore. And next time, keep all that ammo to yourself, darlin, and it can't possibly come back and bite you in the butt.

;)
SMW

I am not in any way suggesting that Frogman is a bad person or
necessarily a Liar.But I believe he's a fibber when it comes to the
touchy subject of Catholicism and his role in Religion.
I caught him in a few biggies concerning this very thing back
last summer I believe.He was off on a Roman Catholic tear,assuming
all kinds of things about that Faith,that I know are Definately Untrue.
So,I believe he likes to show off about his command of certain
subject matter.Juts like he's done about the Education Issue,his
many years of higher education training,degrees and experience.
I think he suffers from :

Post Puffin

:corn:

You know that lesson, don't ya, AFT? Don't believe I've EVER seen you sharing much personal info. That's a good thing, eh? Personally, I wouldn't be above using it in the heat of battle my own damn self.

:drinktoth

Ive noticed for sometime now that both you guys come to each others defence, even, as in this case, one of you are in the wrong, is this a deliberate ploy?

Ive noticed for sometime now that both you guys come to each others defence, even, as in this case, one of you are in the wrong, is this a deliberate ploy?

Not sure who you're referring to, Paul... but if it's me and Foolie, you're right. We've been online 'friends' for a long time now and while we're able to see both our faults, we also have mutual respect for the other.

LOL, not to mention the first couple of years I 'knew' the Fool, he spent more time on MY ignore list than not! Bless his heart... he's misunderstood. And brings TONS of it on himself.

;)
SMW

Not sure who you're referring to, Paul... but if it's me and Foolie, you're right. We've been online 'friends' for a long time now and while we're able to see both our faults, we also have mutual respect for the other.

LOL, not to mention the first couple of years I 'knew' the Fool, he spent more time on MY ignore list than not! Bless his heart... he's misunderstood. And brings TONS of it on himself.

;)
SMW
Yes indeed it was the two of you I was referring to, should have made that clear, sorry.

Its a pity that the mutual respect for each other doesnt extend to fellow posters in this case, I see no reason for Foolsworth to insult the Frog in the case. Who if you noticed has signed off as we speak.

I am not in any way suggesting that Frogman is a bad person or
necessarily a Liar.But I believe he's a fibber when it comes to the
touchy subject of Catholicism and his role in Religion.
I caught him in a few biggies concerning this very thing back
last summer I believe.He was off on a Roman Catholic tear,assuming
all kinds of things about that Faith,that I know are Definately Untrue.
So,I believe he likes to show off about his command of certain
subject matter.Juts like he's done about the Education Issue,his
many years of higher education training,degrees and experience.
I think he suffers from :

Post Puffin

What biggies are you specifically referring to, Foolsworth?
Just curious.

I have been following this thread and was a bit shocked.
Knowing Frogger being a proud and religious man, I think
his honesty and integrity in this matter is NOT in question.

I was thinking the same thing. I also started to write a post to Frogger and tell him to ignore Foolsworth.

The thought occurred to me--"how can anyone be so stupid as to accuse someone of lying about what religion they are and whether or not they married a widow??!?...why would anyone lie about such a thing?!?!?!?"....

...and then I remembered who was making the accusation.

Foolsworth is simply a clueless assclown. I guess that's why I have had him on ignore for so long now.

Yes indeed it was the two of you I was referring to, should have made that clear, sorry.

Its a pity that the mutual respect for each other doesnt extend to fellow posters in this case, I see no reason for Foolsworth to insult the Frog in the case. Who if you noticed has signed off as we speak.

I fully realize that many herein don't comprehend my quick to assert
doubts about someone,concerning Religion.But to fellow Catholics
it is indeed a very touchy matter.Catholics don't like a fraud
in their midst.I can't prove that Frogger is a Fraud about what
he posts on his Religion or being married to a Catholic.Any more than
HE can prove he's Telling the God's Honest truth.
But,judging by what's he affirmed to be true about Catholics,
and since he's wrong about that,and he's NOT a Catholic and I am,
then I MUST assume he's merely playing the expert,like a witness
for an Ambulance Chasing Lawyer,trying to defend a Client
who's a known scam artist.
I may be entirely wrong about Frogger,and If it can be proven that
I am,then I'll be THE first person to Apologize and make ammends.
Until then,I can only hope he doesn't prolong my Religious
consternation with assumptions concerning MY Faith I know are
falsehood.
Is All.

You know that lesson, don't ya, AFT? Don't believe I've EVER seen you sharing much personal info. That's a good thing, eh? Personally, I wouldn't be above using it in the heat of battle my own damn self.

:drinktoth Well yes I have shared personal information and so have you. You live in a longterm relaionship with a guy that's 6'5 but you are single. Hmm, And you've changed your profile. You go to Unity church. You told us when your going to Las Vegas with your friends and where you were going to stay in downtown Las Vegas. Isn't that personal information? I'm sure someone could go back over your past post and find out more personal things you've posted about yourself.

I fully realize that many herein don't comprehend my quick to assert
doubts about someone,concerning Religion.But to fellow Catholics
it is indeed a very touchy matter.Catholics don't like a fraud
in their midst.I can't prove that Frogger is a Fraud about what
he posts on his Religion or being married to a Catholic.Any more than
HE can prove he's Telling the God's Honest truth.
But,judging by what's he affirmed to be true about Catholics,
and since he's wrong about that,and he's NOT a Catholic and I am,
then I MUST assume he's merely playing the expert,like a witness
for an Ambulance Chasing Lawyer,trying to defend a Client
who's a known scam artist.
I may be entirely wrong about Frogger,and If it can be proven that
I am,then I'll be THE first person to Apologize and make ammends.
Until then,I can only hope he doesn't prolong my Religious
consternation with assumptions concerning MY Faith I know are
falsehood.
Is All.
As one Catholic to another then, my point being how you queried his position,
if you suspect he is being somewhat 'unfaithful' for want of a better word, why didnt you simply debate with him the points you feel uncomfortable with,
your tone leaves a lot to be desired with in this issue, not very Catholic of you.

What biggies are you specifically referring to, Foolsworth?
Just curious.

I'll have to Go Back and hope it wasn't editited,But this Catholic
bidness and Frogger came up about 9 months ago.
I took Frogger to task,first about assumptions he made concerning
the use of Roman Catholic.I insist,and still do,that seldom do
Catholics refer to the use of Roman Catholics,instead just Catholic.
I'm speaking from years of firsthand experience as a Catholic
raised in ALL Catholic schools { except for ONE year of Military-type
high school}.
I believe he at first said he was a Roman Catholic,or somethin to
that effect.Then he kinda dropped that and said he meant he was married
to a Roman Catholic.He keeps moving the goal post.Now he's sayin
It's his current Wife,who was previously married,who is Catholic.

Yes indeed it was the two of you I was referring to, should have made that clear, sorry.

Its a pity that the mutual respect for each other doesnt extend to fellow posters in this case, I see no reason for Foolsworth to insult the Frog in the case. Who if you noticed has signed off as we speak.

I find it interesting that you would think I'm 'taking sides' when I have no such intentions. Fool can be a royal pain, especially when it comes to religious subjects. I readily admit that fact and advised Frogger to put him on ignore to protect himself from further Fool-attacks. There is no excuse for anybody to insult anybody... EVER. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Don't know a thing about this thread as it's in the religious section and I haven't been in the mood to offer myself up to the atheists since my last venture into this area. I admire and respect Frogger. And I'm sorry he's upset. Wish everybody would just play nice.

;)
SMW

Well yes I have shared personal information and so have you. You live in a longterm relaionship with a guy that's 6'5 but you are single. Hmm, And you've changed your profile. You go to Unity church. You told us when your going to Las Vegas with your friends and where you were going to stay in downtown Las Vegas. Isn't that personal information? I'm sure someone could go back over your past post and find out more personal things you've posted about yourself.

And yet Nappy STILL insists he knows I have trouble getting a man, doesn't he?

I'm not talking about what we share in our profiles, dear. Or with our 'friends' for that matter. If anyone's interested enough to lurk around my thread picking up tidbits of info, that's fine with me. Not saying I have anything to hide. Hell, one can go dig up posts on the old SMW Speaks on Yahoo and learn what I was doing from 1999-2006 if they really care!

The point is... I don't share personal info with people who would like to insult or discredit me... especially about my family. And I notice you don't do that either. Forgive me if I was trying to point out something we have in common. How stupid of me.

:rolleyes:
SMW

Foolsworth is simply a clueless assclown. I guess that's why I have had him on ignore for so long now.

Your arrogance and egosim really doesn't fit a religious thread well FT...

Your arrogance and egosim really doesn't fit a religious thread well FT...

LOL, good one Decka. Not to mention between him and Dharma, I really don't think they can see anybody else's posts but each others. Everybody else is on IGNORE.

Bless their hearts.

I don't need to "get the better of them".. but it creates a foul mood. When I discuss religion, I seek a controlled, respectful, empathetic debate... not calling people assclowns.

I don't need to "get the better of them".. but it creates a foul mood. When I discuss religion, I seek a controlled, respectful, empathetic debate... not calling people assclowns.

Plus that's MY word.I used A$$Klown...first.
And Foremost,by golly.
Um,how wood FT know I use " A$$Klown " if'n I'm on Iggy?
Foor fer thought.?
Er...grist for the trough.!

Hey FT.

I wonder, did you enjoy being baptist when you were?

I was forced to go to church by my father when I was very young and hated it.
Matter of fact, it's what caused me to be atheist, until I found God that is.

I wonder if being comfortable in something could cause a person to turn on it.

Plus that's MY word.I used A$$Klown...first.
And Foremost,by golly.
Um,how wood FT know I use " A$$Klown " if'n I'm on Iggy?
Foor fer thought.?
Er...grist for the trough.!
I think FT's right, thats one dumb post.

The word assclown has been around for a while now. I like asshat better.

So just maybe... You said it to him "before" he put you on ignore and now is using it to explain you.

Wheres tucker? We could compare the troll like features here.
Even though I thought tucker was cool.

Foolworthy is well named, or at least half well named. He is indeed a fool but he is in no way worthy.


I don't care if he believes it or not but I went to a Lutheran college where one of the requirements was a four year formal study of religion so I think that when it comes to religion, especially Lutheranism I think I know more than most.

I never said I was Roman Catholic. I said I was catholic. In the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) we say, "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church", when reciting The Creed. The word catholic is used in its meaning of universal, ie. the universal church. While I am not Roman Catholic, I am catholic.

I remember the conversation to which the fool is referring. During that conversation I said that the correct terminology was Roman Catholic and not Catholic because other sects call themselves catholic. While the popular term may be Catholic the proper term is Roman Catholic since they are subservient to the Bishop of Rome.


Note to SMW:

I revealed no personal information that could possibly be used by a stalker. I said my wife was a widow when I married her and that she had three small children. I also said I was my oldest son's scoutmaster at one time. Since there are thousands of widows with children and thousands upon thousands of boy scouts the information was personal but not specific.

[QUOTE=Frogger]Foolworthy is well named, or at least half well named. He is indeed a fool but he is in no way worthy.


I don't care if he believes it or not but I went to a Lutheran college where one of the requirements was a four year formal study of religion so I think that when it comes to religion, especially Lutheranism I think I know more than most.

I never said I was Roman Catholic. I said I was catholic. In the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) we say, "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church", when reciting The Creed. The word catholic is used in its meaning of universal, ie. the universal church. While I am not Roman Catholic, I am catholic.

I remember the conversation to which the fool is referring. During that conversation I said that the correct terminology was Roman Catholic and not Catholic because other sects call themselves catholic. While the popular term may be Catholic the proper term is Roman Catholic since they are subservient to the Bishop of Rome.?

Even though YOU may have Me,me,me,me...Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
On Ignore,I rarely use that option.It's for Chickenshits.
I've never known a Lutheran to consider themself a Catholic.
You made a big deal out of the Term Roman Catholic.
I said,and still insist,most Catholics seldom refer to Roman Catholic
anything.Just Catholic.Or Catholics.
Don't take my word for it.Ask any hearby Lifelong Catholic.
As far the Bishop of Rome,It's Bishops or Cardinals,where there are
Many.
" Bishop of Rome " may have been a formal title used dating back to
Simon Peter.A Title to in effect,establish as Vicar of Christ.
Which is what a Pope IS.

Note to SMW:

I revealed no personal information that could possibly be used by a stalker. I said my wife was a widow when I married her and that she had three small children. I also said I was my oldest son's scoutmaster at one time. Since there are thousands of widows with children and thousands upon thousands of boy scouts the information was personal but not specific.

Point taken, Frogger. I'm glad you came back to clarify your position. Please know that I am not 'defending' Fool. However, my secret to getting along with him is that we never discuss Catholicsm. He's obviously been smacked on the head a time or two by the nuns who educated him, but I have to admire his passion for his church. In that respect, maybe you can overlook his rampage of correctness about 'proper' terminology.

:flowers:
SMW

Point taken, Frogger. I'm glad you came back to clarify your position. Please know that I am not 'defending' Fool. However, my secret to getting along with him is that we never discuss Catholicsm. He's obviously been smacked on the head a time or two by the nuns who educated him, but I have to admire his passion for his church. In that respect, maybe you can overlook his rampage of correctness about 'proper' terminology.

:flowers:
SMW

I guess I's need to straighten out yer noodle as weld,thar tOot's.
Catholics are THE most profoundly easy to get along with and understand
up to a point.
Like all this Bill Cunningham { Catholic } stuff.
I understand him.As well his station mate ... Mike McConnell.
Or Bill Bennett.
Sean Hannity
Bill O'Reilly
Laura Ingraham
and many Good Catholics.
I don't understand James Carville,Paul Begala,Bill Press,Terry McAuliffe
Mark Shields and more throngs of Democrat Catholics.
I'll niver understand Chris Matthews { Holy Cross graduate }.
Did I leave anyone outs.

Being a Catholic has it's perks.We consider ourselves in THE Greatest
Club of all.
That is why I'm makin bones with this Frogman.
Ya can't say yer a part-time,alternate,fill-in substitute pseudo-faux
Catholic and git past me.
Is All.
Got it.?

Catholic

Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective 'καθολικός / katholikos', meaning "general; universal" (cf. Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon).

In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has several usages:

The word commonly refers to the members, beliefs, and practices of the Roman Catholic Church, including all sui juris particular Churches that are in full communion with the Holy See, namely the Latin Rite and twenty-two Eastern Catholic Churches. The latter include the Ukrainian, Greek, Greek Melkite, Maronite, Ruthenian Byzantine, Coptic Catholic, Syro-Malabar, Syro-Malankara, Chaldean, and Ethiopic Rites.
The Eastern Orthodox Church also identifies itself as Catholic, as in the title of The Longer Catechism of the Orthodox, Catholic, Eastern Church.
Most Reformation and post-Reformation Churches use the term Catholic (sometimes with a lower-case c) to refer to the belief that all Christians are part of one Church, regardless of denominational divisions. It is in line with this interpretation, which applies the word "catholic"/"universal" to no one denomination, that they understand the phrase "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" in the Nicene Creed, the phrase "the Catholic faith" in the Athanasian Creed, and the phrase "holy catholic church" in the Apostles' Creed.

The term is used also to mean those Christian Churches which maintain that their Episcopate can be traced unbrokenly back to the Apostles, and consider themselves part of a broad catholic (or universal) body of believers. Among those who regard themselves as "Catholic", but not "Roman Catholic" , are Anglicans, and some small groups such as the Old Catholic Church, the Polish National Catholic Church, the Independent Catholic, the Ancient Catholic and Liberal Catholic Churches, AS WELL AS LUTHERANS (though the latter prefer the lower-case "c," and, like Anglicans, stress that they are both Protestant and Catholic).
The term can refer to the one (singular number) Church that, according to Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus told the Apostle Peter he would build: "And I tell you, you are כיפא (Kepha) (Aramaic for "rock"), and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Some use the term Catholic to distinguish their own position from a Calvinist or Puritan form of Reformed-Protestantism. These include High Church Anglicans, known also as "Anglo-Catholics", 19th century Neo-Lutherans, 20th century High Church Lutherans or evangelical-catholics and others.
Methodists and Presbyterians believe their denominations owe their origins to the Apostles and the early Church, but do not claim descent from ancient Church structures such as the episcopate. Neither of these Churches, however, denies that they are a part of the catholic (universal) Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic

Point taken, Frogger. I'm glad you came back to clarify your position. Please know that I am not 'defending' Fool. However, my secret to getting along with him is that we never discuss Catholicsm. He's obviously been smacked on the head a time or two by the nuns who educated him, but I have to admire his passion for his church. In that respect, maybe you can overlook his rampage of correctness about 'proper' terminology.

:flowers:
SMW

Sorry, SMW, but I can neither overlook nor accept the fool's behavior. He has called me a liar when talking about my religion and my religious beliefs, he has insulted my wife and said she is either a liar or a poor Roman Catholic. Unless and until he offers an apology and a full retraction I will no longer interact with him in any way.

I was raised Buddhist. But only my mother was religious.

I was never very serious about it, so even though I am somewhat less religious than 10 years ago, I wouldn't say I "switched" belief. I basically went from not very serious to less and less serious over the years. When my mother talks to me I never argue with her about the religion, I speak respectfully and somewhat sounding more like a Buddhist than I really am, and she doesn't push very hard.

I was raised Buddhist. But only my mother was religious.

I was never very serious about it, so even though I am somewhat less religious than 10 years ago, I wouldn't say I "switched" belief. I basically went from not very serious to less and less serious over the years. When my mother talks to me I never argue with her about the religion, I speak respectfully and somewhat sounding more like a Buddhist than I really am, and she doesn't push very hard.

I studied ALL Religions in high school as part & parcel of
a rigid,well rounded Catholic education.Got into Eastern Religions
and Buddism did fascinate me.That requires very rigid discipline.
Any Noviate,from Cloistered Nuns to Monks in Abbey,known for their
grand abililty as Beer Meisters,takes a level of dedication that requires
total committment.
That is why I find those who use mocking tones of ridicule to
discount established Religions,founded on hardened principles
of deep thought,Theology and enlightenment,to be more than
merely divisive,but outright attacks on Man's best side.
That side or part of Mankind dedicated to deep thought and insight
into the very core of Human existence and it's relevance.Or lack thereof.
Is All !

I studied ALL Religions in high school as part & parcel of
a rigid,well rounded Catholic education.Got into Eastern Religions
and Buddism did fascinate me.That requires very rigid discipline.
Any Noviate,from Cloistered Nuns to Monks in Abbey,known for their
grand abililty as Beer Meisters,takes a level of dedication that requires
total committment.
That is why I find those who use mocking tones of ridicule to
discount established Religions,founded on hardened principles
of deep thought,Theology and enlightenment,to be more than
merely divisive,but outright attacks on Man's best side.
That side or part of Mankind dedicated to deep thought and insight
into the very core of Human existence and it's relevance.Or lack thereof.
Is All !
thanks for the reminder!

when the hell did walmart start selling beer?

I studied ALL Religions in high school as part & parcel of
a rigid,well rounded Catholic education.Got into Eastern Religions
and Buddism did fascinate me.That requires very rigid discipline.
Any Noviate,from Cloistered Nuns to Monks in Abbey,known for their
grand abililty as Beer Meisters,takes a level of dedication that requires
total committment.
That is why I find those who use mocking tones of ridicule to
discount established Religions,founded on hardened principles
of deep thought,Theology and enlightenment,to be more than
merely divisive,but outright attacks on Man's best side.
That side or part of Mankind dedicated to deep thought and insight
into the very core of Human existence and it's relevance.Or lack thereof.
Is All ! If there is anything that is divisive it's religion!

Sorry, SMW, but I can neither overlook nor accept the fool's behavior. He has called me a liar when talking about my religion and my religious beliefs, he has insulted my wife and said she is either a liar or a poor Roman Catholic. Unless and until he offers an apology and a full retraction I will no longer interact with him in any way.

No prob, Frogger. I wouldn't expect you to overlook nor accept his insults, just sharing a little insight into MHO of what makes the Fool tick. Like I said before, I had him on IGNORE for a long time when we first 'met' so I can fully understand where you're coming from. If I'm not mistaken, I think he actually called me a NAZI back then and accused me of being every other poster on the thread. He can definitely be a trip sometimes.

[Note to the Fool: You KNOW you overstepped the bounds of proper etiquette by blasting Mrs. Frogger, whether you want to admit it or not. Now drop and give me 25 Hail Marys, then go to your room. BAD FOOL!]

;)
SMW

If there is anything that is divisive it's religion!

Only thing MORE divisive are atheists who run around insulting religious people to get their kicks.

Bless your little black heart... it's a good thing most of us ignore YOU.

;)
SMW

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]No prob, Frogger. I wouldn't expect you to overlook nor accept his insults, just sharing a little insight into MHO of what makes the Fool tick. Like I said before, I had him on IGNORE for a long time when we first 'met' so I can fully understand where you're coming from. If I'm not mistaken, I think he actually called me a NAZI back then and accused me of being every other poster on the thread. He can definitely be a trip sometimes.

[Note to the Fool: You KNOW you overstepped the bounds of proper etiquette by blasting Mrs. Frogger, whether you want to admit it or not. Now drop and give me 25 Hail Marys, then go to your room. BAD FOOL!]


You just had to GOad and insert yerself into the debate...dint ya.?
I'd really appreciate if you back out of my kitchen on this one.
You aren't even familiar with the original disagreement,I had concerning
Frogman's assumptions about MY Religion.
Yet,you find it amusingly convenient to take HIS side,not even knowing
My side.All you had to hear was some drool about calling his
wife a liar,and you went into Defensive Miss S mode.
His wife is not even a poster,here.He saw fit to use her as an example
to support his argument.Now who's the fool.?
Kindly remove yerself from this argument.I don't like the fact that
you offered yer pittance {2 cents worth }on how to handle me via
Ignore and what YOUR Opinion IS concerning my temper or
consternation concerning Religious matter.
In closing,Juts bud out there Miss Dim Crystal Ball.

What an asshole.

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]No prob, Frogger. I wouldn't expect you to overlook nor accept his insults, just sharing a little insight into MHO of what makes the Fool tick. Like I said before, I had him on IGNORE for a long time when we first 'met' so I can fully understand where you're coming from. If I'm not mistaken, I think he actually called me a NAZI back then and accused me of being every other poster on the thread. He can definitely be a trip sometimes.

[Note to the Fool: You KNOW you overstepped the bounds of proper etiquette by blasting Mrs. Frogger, whether you want to admit it or not. Now drop and give me 25 Hail Marys, then go to your room. BAD FOOL!]


You just had to GOad and insert yerself into the debate...dint ya.?
I'd really appreciate if you back out of my kitchen on this one.
You aren't even familiar with the original disagreement,I had concerning
Frogman's assumptions about MY Religion.
Yet,you find it amusingly convenient to take HIS side,not even knowing
My side.All you had to hear was some drool about calling his
wife a liar,and you went into Defensive Miss S mode.
His wife is not even a poster,here.He saw fit to use her as an example
to support his argument.Now who's the fool.?
Kindly remove yerself from this argument.I don't like the fact that
you offered yer pittance {2 cents worth }on how to handle me via
Ignore and what YOUR Opinion IS concerning my temper or
consternation concerning Religious matter.
In closing,Juts bud out there Miss Dim Crystal Ball.

:worship:

Yessir, massah. Forgive me for trying explain your rude behavior. After all these years, I should indeed be used to watching you make an ass outta yourself, shouldn't I?

Carry on, my good man. Maybe you could kick Frogger's dog next, eh?

:bike:
SMW

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]

:worship:

Yessir, massah. Forgive me for trying explain your rude behavior. After all these years, I should indeed be used to watching you make an ass outta yourself, shouldn't I?

Carry on, my good man. Maybe you could kick Frogger's dog next, eh?

:bike:
SMW

Oh how short-sighted of me,to furgit I need even YER approval to
make an ass of myself.
Do you have even the most remote idea'r how stupid you sound
about now.?
I realize this is basically yer stock in trade.
Telling other's off,On entirely yer own terms.
Tell us Miss Dim Crystal Ball,about when will it be time for you
to undergo some comeuppance.?

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]

Oh how short-sighted of me,to furgit I need even YER approval to
make an ass of myself.
Do you have even the most remote idea'r how stupid you sound
about now.?
I realize this is basically yer stock in trade.
Telling other's off,On entirely yer own terms.
Tell us Miss Dim Crystal Ball,about when will it be time for you
to undergo some comeuppance.?

Bring it on, big boy. After all, it's not like you haven't ever tried before, now is it?

:comphit:
SMW

The fool doesn't need anyone's approval or permission to make an ass of himself. Hell, I doubt if any of us could stop him from making an ass of himself. About the only thing the fool does well is make an ass of himself and he does that extremely well.

Discord in the ranks! Will this end in a mutiny?

:corn:

Discord in the ranks! Will this end in a mutiny?

:corn:

Infamy...Infamy...Dear fellow.

Actually it's TOO easy for me,me,me,me ... Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
to Conquer w/o even dividing.
I could say I feel like an Orange Crush.
Butt...I won't.

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]

Bring it on, big boy. After all, it's not like you haven't ever tried before, now is it?

:comphit:
SMW

Yer the one who started all this Egging Me on.!
Or...have you forgotten...already.?

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]

Yer the one who started all this Egging Me on.!
Or...have you forgotten...already.?

Look Pete, you don't need me or anyone else to egg you on. You're a whole chicken ranch all by yourself!

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/chick.jpg

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]

Look Pete, you don't need me or anyone else to egg you on. You're a whole chicken ranch all by yourself!

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/chick.jpg

Denial...Denial.
Which I assume is yer way of admitting guilt.
It takes TWO to Tango.
And You went and inserted yerself into the argument to stir the
pot and get back at me for saying yer Like Hillary.
Used to Supreme Poetic License.
What do you take me for.?
A Black Tea kettle.

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]

Denial...Denial.
Which I assume is yer way of admitting guilt.
It takes TWO to Tango.
And You went and inserted yerself into the argument to stir the
pot and get back at me for saying yer Like Hillary.
Used to Supreme Poetic License.
What do you take me for.?
A Black Tea kettle.

Yeah, yeah... whatever. If it makes you feel better, I'll admit guilt for stepping in between you and Frogger. I have absolutely NO doubt he can handle you just fine by himself. My bad.

*sticks tongue out at Fool*

What an asshole.
:@@: you can tell?

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]

Yeah, yeah... whatever. If it makes you feel better, I'll admit guilt for stepping in between you and Frogger. I have absolutely NO doubt he can handle you just fine by himself. My bad.

*sticks tongue out at Fool*

Thats Righto !
Be Nice...Play Nice.
I don't wanna have ta call on Miss Crabtree.

:@@: you can tell?

Everybody can tell, Mikezila. Foolie makes no bones about his being an asshole. In fact, he revels in it. He has being an asshole down to a science.

Man,oh Boy ! Am i ever glad a certain someone isn't too
interested in what I have to Post,and Obviously,selectively
has me on Temporary,every so often Ignore,not bein privy
to me utterances,yet seems perfectly at ease calling me names,
and trying like the Froggs to gain support at my expense.

Isn't it marvy how easy it is to judge another poster's character
when we git to cede them at their alter best.?

Man,oh Boy ! Am i ever glad a certain someone isn't too
interested in what I have to Post,and Obviously,selectively
has me on Temporary,every so often Ignore,not bein privy
to me utterances,yet seems perfectly at ease calling me names,
and trying like the Froggs to gain support at my expense.

Isn't it marvy how easy it is to judge another poster's character
when we git to cede them at their alter best.?
I would say that most everybody has you on "temporary, every so often ignore," Fool.

Ouch!

I wouldn't insult a poster's family members. I might use a poster's family to insult them, as in, "Dharma's wife never gives him any, that's why he's the way he is," but that's as far as it goes. Foolsworth seems more than capable of delivering the most vulgar of insults without the slightest care as to who he's insulting. I just can't accept that kind of behavior, and I think Frogger is right to be upset and refuse to deal with him any further.

I would say that most everybody has you on "temporary, every so often ignore," Fool.

Not Very Chivalrous,by any means.

Ouch!

For someone so whiney quick to complain and threaten Banning,
Ignore and whatever else could make their case,more accessible,
You shore have shown what kind of character is at the root of
yer intrinsic persona.
Yer basically a petty show off.
Is all.
Plus a Braggart.

I wouldn't insult a poster's family members. I might use a poster's family to insult them, as in, "Dharma's wife never gives him any, that's why he's the way he is," but that's as far as it goes. Foolsworth seems more than capable of delivering the most vulgar of insults without the slightest care as to who he's insulting. I just can't accept that kind of behavior, and I think Frogger is right to be upset and refuse to deal with him any further.

Spell out exactly what Frogger said I wrote about his wife.
You can't.
Which means you're basically as bad as he.
Just petty troublemakers.

You know what you posted, Fool.

You made comments about my wife's Roman Catholicism in the past and you have called me a liar when I mentioned my religious beliefs.

For someone who claims to have been raised a Roman Catholic you are woefully ignorant about your religion. That's not surprising though since most people are ignorant of their religion and tend to follow it with out really knowing its tenets.

Was A Catholic until my parents were excommunicated from the church when i was 10 or 11 years old and then church hopped for a while. I dont claim no church or religion affiliation. I just read the bible and do my own little thing.

You made comments about my wife's Roman Catholicism in the past and you have called me a liar when I mentioned my religious beliefs.

For someone who claims to have been raised a Roman Catholic you are woefully ignorant about your religion. That's not surprising though since most people are ignorant of their religion and tend to follow it with out really knowing its tenets.

If you don't want someone { Me } to make comments about yer
Wife's Roman Catholicism,then don't USE her as an instrument to
support,defend and prove yer case,is all.
What are you...some kind a nut.?

Was A Catholic until my parents were excommunicated from the church when i was 10 or 11 years old and then church hopped for a while. I dont claim no church or religion affiliation. I just read the bible and do my own little thing.

I know of absolutely NO case where anyone was EXCOMMUNICATED
from the Catholic Church.
That is an old Nun's tale.
My Mom used that on me all throughout college.
It is Myth.
I've yet to read about a documented case of Excommunication.
I could drudge up cases of Exorcism,far easier.

Hey fool, You are an idiot and a panochaquita. The Roman Catholic Church Excommunicated my parents. I do not like the catholic church or most of my relatives on my mom side. We have been getting hate mail from my mom side ever since we got kicked out. Since you want to put your 2 cents in I will give you what i think of YOU. I think you are a self egotistic, non poetic imbisal with no respect for other people. You think you are whity and smart but dont have a clue in your little neanderthal mind what goes on in other people lives. chinga tu pendejo.

Hey fool, You are an idiot and a panochaquita. The Roman Catholic Church Excommunicated my parents. I do not like the catholic church or most of my relatives on my mom side. We have been getting hate mail from my mom side ever since we got kicked out. Since you want to put your 2 cents in I will give you what i think of YOU. I think you are a self egotistic, non poetic imbisal with no respect for other people. You think you are whity and smart but dont have a clue in your little neanderthal mind what goes on in other people lives. chinga tu pendejo.

Which goes to Prove,very apparently,that You're not one bit
interested in defending yer claim,just attacking someone { me }
because i dared to challenge what I know to be truth.
Why you would say that stuff,instead of merely defending yer
claim of EXCOMMUNICATION is Obvious.
You drudged up some bogus shit about " Excommunicatiion " and
used yer parents as the willing pawns of yer scam.
You tried that to make 2 points.
Discredit ALL Catholics on the grounds of this Hellish thing
called " Excommunication " and
point 2 - use yer parents as examples,that are untouchable.
Just like a Liberal.
Liberals love to spout off Like Cindy Sheehan about how terrible ALL
War is,and uses her own son { Who Volunteered and Re-enlisted}
as sacrificial Lambs for pulling peacknik heartstrings.

Nice try ... Guttersniper.

For Cripe's sake, Fool. When will you learn to Google?

Wiki has quite an impressive list spanning centuries of those who were excommunicated. Kings, queens, priests.....Sinnead O'Connor and Castro, too.

For Cripe's sake, Fool. When will you learn to Google?

Wiki has quite an impressive list spanning centuries of those who were excommunicated. Kings, queens, priests.....Sinnead O'Connor and Castro, too.

I think I remember Sinnead,but there was problems with that one.
She had to really stretch the issue,dressing up as a Nun and
practically SHOUT a song about her Anti-Catholic Catholicism.
As far as Castro,it's really a stretch to have to use him as an
example of Excommunication.I bet the Guy probably bought his own
Priest and got a special dispensation.
If ya gotta cite Castor for Excommunication,then My point is
wholly taken.

For Cripe's sake, Fool. When will you learn to Google?

Wiki has quite an impressive list spanning centuries of those who were excommunicated. Kings, queens, priests.....Sinnead O'Connor and Castro, too.

Yes, I went to school with two who were excommunicated later in life because they divorced.

HEY JAX!!! Good to see you, girl!

Yes, I went to school with two who were excommunicated later in life because they divorced.

HEY JAX!!! Good to see you, girl!

Um,ask them someday what it was like.Did it hurt mush.?
How much Incense was used.? Did it burn White or black.?
Was a Doctor present.?

Of course the Roman Catholic Church doesn't excommunicate people. You heard it from The Fool and The Fool is the self proclaimed expert on all things Roman Catholic.

Of course you will have to discount the following list in order to believe The Fool.

I have taken the liberty of highlighting the names of some of the more famous people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church, or not excommunicated if you believe The Fool.

21st century
Fano Ngcobo, Catholic priest, excommunicated in 2007 for starting his own church, the African Catholic Community
Joseph Ma Yinglin, CPCA bishop
Joseph Liu Xinhong, CPCA bishop
Richard Lugner, excommunicated over abortion clinic rental[1]
Ed Cachia, Canadian priest excommunicated in 2006 after starting new Church
Ned Reidy, excommunicated for heresy after joining Ecumenical Catholic Communion
Alejandre Galias, Filipino priest, excommunicated by SMS[4] after breaking the seal of confession [5]
Eduardo Aguirre, Guatemalan Catholic priest, now bishop of the Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church [6]
Sister Mary Theresa Dionne [7] and five other nuns of Our Lady of Charity and Refuge in Hot Springs, Arkansas for professing the teachings of the Community of the Lady of All Nations, also known as the Army of Mary, that its founder, Marie Paule Giguere, is the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary and that God speaks directly through her.
Godfrey Silvester Shiundu, Kenyan priest[8] who created Reformed Roman Catholic Church and was excommunicated after getting married[9]
Call to Action group members in Nebraska were excommunicated by Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, Vatican later confirmed their excommunication[10].
Catholics for a Free Choice, Rainbow Girls, Eastern Star, Job's Daughters, Society of St. Pius X and members of some other organizations face automatic excomuniccation according to Fabian Bruskewitz's extra synodal legislation[11]
Marek Bozek and six board members of the former St. Stanislaus Kostka parish in St. Louis, declared to have incurred automatic excommunication for schism by the archbishop of St. Louis, Raymond Leo Burke. Before this, Bozek was canonically suspended for leaving his assigned parish outside of St. Louis without permission in order to head St. Stanislaus.
Edwin González Concepción of Puerto Rico and his followers, for preaching that he was the reincarnation of Pope John Paul II
Genevieve Beney of France, for claiming to be an ordained priest, though married and female
Gert Petrus, Namibian priest, for practicing witchcraft
Mark Ridlen, a priest who attempted to instigate a renaissance of the Symbionese Liberation Army and mesh its ideology with that of the Catholic Church. Two other men, whom Ridlen had allegedly brainwashed and ordained as priests, were also excommunicated.
Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger and six other members of the Danube Seven, for simulating being ordained as priests by a South American bishop who had left the Church to join a sect. The Danube Seven were declared excommunicated ferendae sententiae for "grave disobedience" and "aiding schism".
Emmanuel Milingo, for marrying a woman selected by Sun Myung Moon in a Unification Church Blessing ceremony, then attempting to ordain married men as bishops. Those claiming ordination were also excommunicated.

[edit] 20th century
James Callan, Mary Ramerman and members of the Spiritus Christi sect (many of whom were former members of Corpus Christi Church, Rochester, New York), in 1999, declared to have excommunicated themselves for schism by Rochester Bishop Matthew H. Clark [12]
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishop Antonio de Castro Meyer, Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta for the Ecône Consecrations without papal mandate. Formally declared to have incurred latae sententiae excommunication by Cardinal Bernardin Gantin on July 1st 1988[1]. Later reiteration by Pope John Paul II through Ecclesia Dei did not mention Bishop Antonio de Castro Meyer.
Oblate Fr. Tissa Balasuriya. Revoked less than a year later.
Fidel Castro, in 1962, for supporting a communist regime. He has since attended mass with John Paul II.
Carlos Duarte Costa
Romolo Murri [13]
Joe DiMaggio, for bigamy. Reversed in 1962[2]
François Duvalier. Withdrawn within four years.[3]
Fr. Leonard Feeney, for refusal to appear in front of the Holy Office. Revoked in 1972[4].
George Jackson Mivart, for suspected Modernism. Four years after his death, his friends successfully argued that in his last years he had become insane due to diabetes. This led to his reburial in a Catholic cemetery.[5]
Sinéad O'Connor, for simulating being ordained by a schismatic church, the Palmarian Catholic Church
Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục, Clemente Domínguez y Gómez, Manuel Alonso Corral and three others for the Palmar de Troya Consecrations. Đình Thục asked Pope Paul VI to be forgiven and was absolved of all ecclesial penalties in 1976, until 1981 when he was again excommunicated by Pope John Paul II for illicit consecrations.
Michel Louis Guérard des Lauriers and others for being consecrated to the episcopacy without papal mandate by said Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục.
Joaquín Sáenz y Arriaga, S.J., for stating in his books The New Montinian Church (1971) and Sede Vacante (1973) that Paul VI had forfeited his papal authority. He was a catalyzing influence on sedevacantism.
Juan Perón, in 1955, after he signed a decree ordering the expulsion of Argentine bishops Manuel Tato and Ramón Novoa[6][7]
Feliksa Kozłowska, in 1906
Irish republicans involved in "arson, murder or kidnapping" during the Irish War of Independence, in December 1920[8]
Father William Murphy of Seward, Nebraska, in 1901, for political sympathies with Protestant Ireland[9]
All Catholics who participated in the creation of an independent church in the Philippines, in 1902[10]

[edit] 19th century
Charles Chiniquy, Catholic priest who converted to Presbyterianism
Miguel Hidalgo, chief instigator of Mexico's war of independence against Spain
Father Edward McGlynn on 4 July 1887, for supporting the Single Tax movement of Henry George under Leo XIII. Rescinded 1892.
Fenians. Many priests ignored the decree and heard confessions, etc.[citation needed]
Antonio José Martínez, for disagreeing with Bishop Jean Baptiste Lamy
Mary MacKillop. Later rescinded.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stephen Kaminski, excommunicated in 1898, PNCC bishop [14]
Francis Hodur member of PNCC [15]
Victor Emmanuel II of Italy, King of Italy during the capture of Rome

[edit] 18th century
Charles Maurice de Talleyrand, in 1789. Later rescinded.

[edit] 16th century
Miguel de Cervantes. Later rescinded.
Henry of Navarre
Henry VIII of England, in 1533
Andreas Karlstadt, in 1520
Martin Luther, in 1521
Martin Bucer, in 1523
Elizabeth I of England, in 1570
Jakub Uchański primate of Poland, in 1558
Alfonso d'Este, in 1510
Charles d'Amboise, in 1510
Giovanni II Bentivoglio, in 1506
Pietro Colonna, in 1501

[edit] 15th century
Girolamo Savonarola, in 1497
Jan Hus, in 1411
Guidantonio da Montefeltro
Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta

[edit] 14th century
William of Ockham, in 1328
Louis IV, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1324
Robert the Bruce (along with his supporters and the rest of Scotland) in 1306, for murdering John Comyn in front of the high altar at Dumfries. Excommunication not recognized by Scottish clergy and later lifted by the Pope following the Declaration of Arbroath

[edit] 13th century
Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1227. Rescinded in 1231, excommunicated again in 1239.
Elias of Cortona
Afonso II of Portugal, in 1212
John I of England, in 1209. Later rescinded.
Noblemen who protected the cathars
Venetians and crusaders who attacked the port of Zara

[edit] 12th century
Sverre Sigurdsson, King of Norway, in 1194
, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1119
Owain Gwynedd, Prince of Gwynedd
Henry VAntipope Gregory VIII, in 1118
Anselm V, Archbishop of Milan
Conrad III
Henry II of England, for assassination of Thomas Beckett. Made penance afterwards.
Guibert

[edit] 11th century
Robert Guiscard. Later lifted.
Philip I of France, in 1094
Hugh of Remiremont, in the 1090s
Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1076

[edit] 9th century
Patriarch Photius I, in 863

[edit] 5th century
Peter Mongus, patriarch of Alexandria

Of course the Roman Catholic Church doesn't excommunicate people. You heard it from The Fool and The Fool is the self proclaimed expert on all things Roman Catholic.

Of course you will have to discount the following list in order to believe The Fool.

I have taken the liberty of highlighting the names of some of the more famous people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church, or not excommunicated if you believe The Fool.

21st century
Fano Ngcobo, Catholic priest, excommunicated in 2007 for starting his own church, the African Catholic Community
Joseph Ma Yinglin, CPCA bishop
Joseph Liu Xinhong, CPCA bishop
Richard Lugner, excommunicated over abortion clinic rental[1]
Ed Cachia, Canadian priest excommunicated in 2006 after starting new Church
Ned Reidy, excommunicated for heresy after joining Ecumenical Catholic Communion
Alejandre Galias, Filipino priest, excommunicated by SMS[4] after breaking the seal of confession [5]
Eduardo Aguirre, Guatemalan Catholic priest, now bishop of the Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church [6]
Sister Mary Theresa Dionne [7] and five other nuns of Our Lady of Charity and Refuge in Hot Springs, Arkansas for professing the teachings of the Community of the Lady of All Nations, also known as the Army of Mary, that its founder, Marie Paule Giguere, is the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary and that God speaks directly through her.
Godfrey Silvester Shiundu, Kenyan priest[8] who created Reformed Roman Catholic Church and was excommunicated after getting married[9]
Call to Action group members in Nebraska were excommunicated by Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, Vatican later confirmed their excommunication[10].
Catholics for a Free Choice, Rainbow Girls, Eastern Star, Job's Daughters, Society of St. Pius X and members of some other organizations face automatic excomuniccation according to Fabian Bruskewitz's extra synodal legislation[11]
Marek Bozek and six board members of the former St. Stanislaus Kostka parish in St. Louis, declared to have incurred automatic excommunication for schism by the archbishop of St. Louis, Raymond Leo Burke. Before this, Bozek was canonically suspended for leaving his assigned parish outside of St. Louis without permission in order to head St. Stanislaus.
Edwin González Concepción of Puerto Rico and his followers, for preaching that he was the reincarnation of Pope John Paul II
Genevieve Beney of France, for claiming to be an ordained priest, though married and female
Gert Petrus, Namibian priest, for practicing witchcraft
Mark Ridlen, a priest who attempted to instigate a renaissance of the Symbionese Liberation Army and mesh its ideology with that of the Catholic Church. Two other men, whom Ridlen had allegedly brainwashed and ordained as priests, were also excommunicated.
Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger and six other members of the Danube Seven, for simulating being ordained as priests by a South American bishop who had left the Church to join a sect. The Danube Seven were declared excommunicated ferendae sententiae for "grave disobedience" and "aiding schism".
Emmanuel Milingo, for marrying a woman selected by Sun Myung Moon in a Unification Church Blessing ceremony, then attempting to ordain married men as bishops. Those claiming ordination were also excommunicated.

[edit] 20th century
James Callan, Mary Ramerman and members of the Spiritus Christi sect (many of whom were former members of Corpus Christi Church, Rochester, New York), in 1999, declared to have excommunicated themselves for schism by Rochester Bishop Matthew H. Clark [12]
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishop Antonio de Castro Meyer, Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta for the Ecône Consecrations without papal mandate. Formally declared to have incurred latae sententiae excommunication by Cardinal Bernardin Gantin on July 1st 1988[1]. Later reiteration by Pope John Paul II through Ecclesia Dei did not mention Bishop Antonio de Castro Meyer.
Oblate Fr. Tissa Balasuriya. Revoked less than a year later.
Fidel Castro, in 1962, for supporting a communist regime. He has since attended mass with John Paul II.
Carlos Duarte Costa
Romolo Murri [13]
Joe DiMaggio, for bigamy. Reversed in 1962[2]
François Duvalier. Withdrawn within four years.[3]
Fr. Leonard Feeney, for refusal to appear in front of the Holy Office. Revoked in 1972[4].
George Jackson Mivart, for suspected Modernism. Four years after his death, his friends successfully argued that in his last years he had become insane due to diabetes. This led to his reburial in a Catholic cemetery.[5]
Sinéad O'Connor, for simulating being ordained by a schismatic church, the Palmarian Catholic Church
Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục, Clemente Domínguez y Gómez, Manuel Alonso Corral and three others for the Palmar de Troya Consecrations. Đình Thục asked Pope Paul VI to be forgiven and was absolved of all ecclesial penalties in 1976, until 1981 when he was again excommunicated by Pope John Paul II for illicit consecrations.
Michel Louis Guérard des Lauriers and others for being consecrated to the episcopacy without papal mandate by said Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục.
Joaquín Sáenz y Arriaga, S.J., for stating in his books The New Montinian Church (1971) and Sede Vacante (1973) that Paul VI had forfeited his papal authority. He was a catalyzing influence on sedevacantism.
Juan Perón, in 1955, after he signed a decree ordering the expulsion of Argentine bishops Manuel Tato and Ramón Novoa[6][7]
Feliksa Kozłowska, in 1906
Irish republicans involved in "arson, murder or kidnapping" during the Irish War of Independence, in December 1920[8]
Father William Murphy of Seward, Nebraska, in 1901, for political sympathies with Protestant Ireland[9]
All Catholics who participated in the creation of an independent church in the Philippines, in 1902[10]

[edit] 19th century
Charles Chiniquy, Catholic priest who converted to Presbyterianism
Miguel Hidalgo, chief instigator of Mexico's war of independence against Spain
Father Edward McGlynn on 4 July 1887, for supporting the Single Tax movement of Henry George under Leo XIII. Rescinded 1892.
Fenians. Many priests ignored the decree and heard confessions, etc.[citation needed]
Antonio José Martínez, for disagreeing with Bishop Jean Baptiste Lamy
Mary MacKillop. Later rescinded.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stephen Kaminski, excommunicated in 1898, PNCC bishop [14]
Francis Hodur member of PNCC [15]
Victor Emmanuel II of Italy, King of Italy during the capture of Rome

[edit] 18th century
Charles Maurice de Talleyrand, in 1789. Later rescinded.

[edit] 16th century
Miguel de Cervantes. Later rescinded.
Henry of Navarre
Henry VIII of England, in 1533
Andreas Karlstadt, in 1520
Martin Luther, in 1521
Martin Bucer, in 1523
Elizabeth I of England, in 1570
Jakub Uchański primate of Poland, in 1558
Alfonso d'Este, in 1510
Charles d'Amboise, in 1510
Giovanni II Bentivoglio, in 1506
Pietro Colonna, in 1501

[edit] 15th century
Girolamo Savonarola, in 1497
Jan Hus, in 1411
Guidantonio da Montefeltro
Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta

[edit] 14th century
William of Ockham, in 1328
Louis IV, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1324
Robert the Bruce (along with his supporters and the rest of Scotland) in 1306, for murdering John Comyn in front of the high altar at Dumfries. Excommunication not recognized by Scottish clergy and later lifted by the Pope following the Declaration of Arbroath

[edit] 13th century
Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1227. Rescinded in 1231, excommunicated again in 1239.
Elias of Cortona
Afonso II of Portugal, in 1212
John I of England, in 1209. Later rescinded.
Noblemen who protected the cathars
Venetians and crusaders who attacked the port of Zara

[edit] 12th century
Sverre Sigurdsson, King of Norway, in 1194
, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1119
Owain Gwynedd, Prince of Gwynedd
Henry VAntipope Gregory VIII, in 1118
Anselm V, Archbishop of Milan
Conrad III
Henry II of England, for assassination of Thomas Beckett. Made penance afterwards.
Guibert

[edit] 11th century
Robert Guiscard. Later lifted.
Philip I of France, in 1094
Hugh of Remiremont, in the 1090s
Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor, in 1076

[edit] 9th century
Patriarch Photius I, in 863

[edit] 5th century
Peter Mongus, patriarch of Alexandria


Are You sure the List is Complete.? Could you or another help
EXPAND it.?
BTW... Excommunication is NOT a Throwing out of the Church.
It is an Anathema or temporary sanction for repentance,You Idiot
monger.I've yet to hear of an Excommunication taking place,either
ferendae sententiae or latae sententiae.
Please let us all know when the next Excommunication will he held.

Are You sure the List is Complete.? Could you or another help
EXPAND it.?
BTW... Excommunication is NOT a Throwing out of the Church.
It is an Anathema or temporary sanction for repentance,You Idiot
monger.I've yet to hear of an Excommunication taking place,either
ferendae sententiae or latae sententiae.
Please let us all know when the next Excommunication will he held.


Nice attempt to construct a strawman. I never said excommunication was throwing out of the church. It seems one of us is an idiot. You just have the wrong one.

Yes, I went to school with two who were excommunicated later in life because they divorced.

HEY JAX!!! Good to see you, girl!

Heya Kimi! Good to see you, too!

I had a good friend who went through the whole annulment process when her husband decided to date again....while they were still married. After 15 years of marriage, two kids and all that that entails, he eventually got to get remarried in the church. Somehow, that's just wrong to me.

Nice attempt to construct a strawman. I never said excommunication was throwing out of the church. It seems one of us is an idiot. You just have the wrong one.

" Just the Facts ... Ma'am "
-- Sgt. Joe Friday

Heya Kimi! Good to see you, too!

I had a good friend who went through the whole annulment process when her husband decided to date again....while they were still married. After 15 years of marriage, two kids and all that that entails, he eventually got to get remarried in the church. Somehow, that's just wrong to me.

I would think so, too...but, I'm not real knowledgable about the catholic religion - just was friends with some catholics in school.

Abortion and Excommunication
May 20, 2004

Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral, commits the sin of heresy and incurs an automatic sentence of excommunication.

Canon Law and Church Teaching

Canon 1398: “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article78.htm



Since the excommunication is latae sententiae it is automatic as soon as the offense occurs. That means that all Roman Catholic abortion doctors and those who assist them are automatically excommunicated as are all Roman Catholic women who have had an abortion and even any Roman Catholic who does not believe all abortions are wrong.

According to the Church itself these excommunications are automatic.