Heya Kimi! Good to see you, too!

I had a good friend who went through the whole annulment process when her husband decided to date again....while they were still married. After 15 years of marriage, two kids and all that that entails, he eventually got to get remarried in the church. Somehow, that's just wrong to me.

May i cite - { Shattered Faith } by Sheila Brewster Rauch,once
married to Congressman Joe Kennedy {preceeded Tip O'Neil's seat}
who struggled with the Kennedy clan over Annulment,because in
Roman Catholic theological theory,in her case,it meant a Marriage
never actually existed.
The Annulment which was originally granted by the Boston Archdiocese
in 1997,was overturned by the Vatican in 2005.
In June of 2007,Time Magazine reported that the Roman Rota reversed
the declaration of annulment made by the tribunal of the Boston
Archdiocese.Rauch,who was NOT Catholic,was granted an annulment
on the grounds of mental deficiency,after her book was published.

So,Matters such as Marriage in a Catholic Church,or to a Non-Catholic
can get pretty sticky.
With or without the last name Kennedy.
But it helps to be a Kennedy.
For Catholics,anywho.

I would think so, too...but, I'm not real knowledgable about the catholic religion - just was friends with some catholics in school.

Basically, it's Catholic for a "do-over". They're saying the marriage was never valid (for whatever reason), so the parties in question aren't actually getting a divorce. Even though they got married in the church to begin with.......

Heya Kimi! Good to see you, too!

I had a good friend who went through the whole annulment process when her husband decided to date again....while they were still married. After 15 years of marriage, two kids and all that that entails, he eventually got to get remarried in the church. Somehow, that's just wrong to me.

With enough money all things are possible. I personally know people who were told exactly how much they had to give to The Church to secure an annulment.

May i cite - { Shattered Faith } by Sheila Brewster Rauch,once
married to Congressman Joe Kennedy {preceeded Tip O'Neil's seat}
who struggled with the Kennedy clan over Annulment,because in
Roman Catholic theological theory,in her case,it meant a Marriage
never actually existed.
The Annulment which was originally granted by the Boston Archdiocese
in 1997,was overturned by the Vatican in 2005.
In June of 2007,Time Magazine reported that the Roman Rota reversed
the declaration of annulment made by the tribunal of the Boston
Archdiocese.Rauch,who was NOT Catholic,was granted an annulment
on the grounds of mental deficiency,after her book was published.

So,Matters such as Marriage in a Catholic Church,or to a Non-Catholic
can get pretty sticky.
With or without the last name Kennedy.
But it helps to be a Kennedy.
For Catholics,anywho.


What he said. I think.....

Why would anyone want an annulment if they aint RC ?

Annulment is not just a Roman Catholic term, it also carries weight in the legal world as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulment

[QUOTE=Napsterbater]Annulment is not just a Roman Catholic term, it also carries weight in the legal world as well.

Geez Willikers,Wiz Kid.
That's kinda the main point of contention for havin yuz aorund.
All that Great FREE legal advice and all.

What Im saying is, if she isnt a Catholic, why would she want her marriage annulled, seems a bit strange.

What Im saying is, if she isnt a Catholic, why would she want her marriage annulled, seems a bit strange.

In the case of Joe Kennedy,he was having marriage trouble with his
first wife and she was talkin Divorce.Like I said,Divorce is not easy
to come by in the Catholic Church.Nor is Marriage.
Since Catholics consider it a Sacrament,it MUST be performed in
a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest,and at least one spouse HAS
to be a Confirmed Catholic.
So,the easiest way for Joe to get a Divorce was prove,rather
backhandedly that They weren't married in a Catholic Church,therefore
NO Marriage actually took place.
I believe that is what The Kennedy clan concocted,in lieu of the
lenghty alternative of asking for a Divorce thru the Vatican.

In the case of Joe Kennedy,he was having marriage trouble with his
first wife and she was talkin Divorce.Like I said,Divorce is not easy
to come by in the Catholic Church.Nor is Marriage.
Since Catholics consider it a Sacrament,it MUST be performed in
a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest,and at least one spouse HAS
to be a Confirmed Catholic.
So,the easiest way for Joe to get a Divorce was prove,rather
backhandedly that They weren't married in a Catholic Church,therefore
NO Marriage actually took place.
I believe that is what The Kennedy clan concocted,in lieu of the
lenghty alternative of asking for a Divorce thru the Vatican.


Saves on legal fees thats for sure.

Only thing MORE divisive are atheists who run around insulting religious people to get their kicks.

Bless your little black heart... it's a good thing most of us ignore YOU.

;)
SMW Well I find religion insulting so I'll insult it all I want to. It has nothing to do with getting kicks. And I didn't know you were the spokeperson for most of the people on allforums. You have no way to respond to a topic but to hurl insults at people. But I'm sure most of us here know that anyway!

[QUOTE=afinertouch5][quote=smartmouthwoman]Only thing MORE divisive are atheists who run around insulting religious people to get their kicks.

Bless your little black heart... it's a good thing most of us ignore YOU.


Oh ! Y',meanie like You just did.?
Isn't it NeAtO the way certain Posters glorify the Ignore feature
then just as quickly furgit they dint use it.
Forgetfulness can be a Blessing,herein.
Hopefully !

If there is anything that is divisive it's religion!
That's for sure. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens the hearts and enslaves the mind!

That's for sure. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens the hearts and enslaves the mind!

Oh,I get it.Folk go to Church to seperate themselves by pew.
Go to a Church Bingo to divide themself when playing.
Go to a Church Picnic to bring their own food,and forks.
Don't have Church Wedding's or Funerals.
Sounds like a certain someone done was divisive about even
gettin to Go to Church.,

Sounds like a certain someone done was divisive about even
gettin to Go to Church., What?

What?

As a general rule,it's those who have No Church or Faith
who make a big deal about divisiveness.Like Liberals.
Who seem purdy intolerant once the tables are turned.

As a general rule,it's those who have No Church or Faith
who make a big deal about divisiveness.Like Liberals.
Who seem purdy intolerant once the tables are turned. What is it I'm being intolerant about? You can go to church everyday for all I care. It won't bother me one bit. I can't help it if you don't think religion is divisive. And there are conservatives that are atheist/agnostic too. It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative.

Your arrogance and egosim really doesn't fit a religious thread well FT...

LOL.

Like I give a fuck what "fits" for this thread. Everyone here is talking about numerous things that have nothing to do with religion.

I was simply taking up for Frogger, in noting that it is ridiculous to posit that someone is lying about what religion they are or whether or not they married a widow. It is asinine for Foolsworth to accuse him of lying about something there would be no reason whatsoever to lie about.

Smartmouthwoman has no problem castigating Foolie herself, but --like the smarmy little stand-behind-big-brother-and-scream-taunts asswipe that she is-- seems all too eager to jump in whenever someone castigates me for telling Frogger to ignore Foolsworth and his accusations that Frogger lied about what religion he is.

It is to laugh.

LOL.

Like I give a fuck what "fits" for this thread. Everyone here is talking about numerous things that have nothing to do with religion.

I was simply taking up for Frogger, in noting that it is ridiculous to posit that someone is lying about what religion they are or whether or not they married a widow. It is asinine for Foolsworth to accuse him of lying about something there would be no reason whatsoever to lie about.

Smartmouthwoman has no problem castigating Foolie herself, but --like the smarmy little stand-behind-big-brother-and-scream-taunts asswipe that she is-- seems all too eager to jump in whenever someone castigates me for telling Frogger to ignore Foolsworth and his accusations that Frogger lied about what religion he is.

It is to laugh.

How would you know.? I mean,about any specifics concerning My Posts,
since you insist on having me ON IGNORE.
Granted you'd be able to read the captioned insert of what I posted
Via another's post,however that is disingenuous.
In fact,disingenuous by definition.
To Have me on Ignore,yet feel compelled to Berate Me,Via either
my Posts,which aren't ON Ignore or thru another,in order to be
a Bigmouth.
Either way,you appear like week old fish.

I have yet to read a post in which a religious person has insulted an atheist or even insulted atheism. However, I constantly read posts in which certain atheists insult religous people or religion in general and Christianity in particular.

If someone doesn't wish to be religious, fine. No one should insult them for their belief system.

If someone chooses to be religious that should also be fine and no one should insult them for their belief system.
The only conclusion I can come to is that some of the atheists among us suffer from an inferiority complex that causes them to try to tear down belief systems other than theirs.:woohoo: Those atheists wothpuit this inferiority complex do not feel it necessary to tear down religion and religious beliefs.

I have yet to read a post in which a religious person has insulted an atheist or even insulted atheism. However, I constantly read posts in which certain atheists insult religous people or religion in general and Christianity in particular.

If someone doesn't wish to be religious, fine. No one should insult them for their belief system.

If someone chooses to be religious that should also be fine and no one should insult them for their belief system.
The only conclusion I can come to is that some of the atheists among us suffer from an inferiority complex that causes them to try to tear down belief systems other than theirs.:woohoo: Those atheists wothpuit this inferiority complex do not feel it necessary to tear down religion and religious beliefs.

S'not dat I counts mush round hears,Butts,I'm Religious and
Mock Atheists,every given opportunity.
It's the right of passage towards Heaven.
I doubt I could attain Heaven,knowing in my Heart that Atheists
have never Ben taken to task.Ay least personally.
I've a duty to shut them down.
They're bad apples.
Is All.

I have yet to read a post in which a religious person has insulted an atheist or even insulted atheism.
So I take it you have Foolsworth on ignore, then?

So I take it you have Foolsworth on ignore, then?

There are NO Saints that Post at Allforums.
Even IF there was... My point IS,no one wood notice.
Cept me,me,me,me ... Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

So I take it you have Foolsworth on ignore, then?

reading includes being able to understand what is written.

How could atheism be insulted? It would be like insulting Jimi Hendrix. Nobody will take you seriously, except other idiots. Only ridiculous, unreasonable, asinine points of view could be ridiculed, none of which atheism is.

How could atheism be insulted? It would be like insulting Jimi Hendrix. Nobody will take you seriously, except other idiots. Only ridiculous, unreasonable, asinine points of view could be ridiculed, none of which atheism is.
I was never a fan of Hendrix. I know he was incredibly talented, and I respect him for the impact he had on music, but I never really liked his music myself.

There are NO Saints that Post at Allforums.
Even IF there was... My point IS,no one wood notice.
Cept me,me,me,me ... Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
no, but we do have Pope Corey:lolhit:


and Mother Superior Mary:banana:

reading includes being able to understand what is written.

Than...what's yer excuse for so few words...Danny.?
Waitin on dat Big scoop...are ya.

I was never a fan of Hendrix. I know he was incredibly talented, and I respect him for the impact he had on music, but I never really liked his music myself.

No one Doesn't NOT like Hendrix.At least in good company.
Unless yer entirely a - Bad Company - kinda fellar.

I was never a fan of Hendrix. I know he was incredibly talented, and I respect him for the impact he had on music, but I never really liked his music myself.
You're not even a fan and you can't insult the man. So it is with atheism. Theists complain all they want about atheists, but they never have anything to say about atheism itself, they don't have the easy ability to ridicule it like we can theism. I mean, honestly, all one has to do to make a mockery of Christianity is :worship: a flying ball of spaghetti. I suppose theists have a right to be thin-skinned.

It is really sad that you find it necessary to insult people's religious beliefs, Nappy. It just makes you even smaller than you already are.

You're not even a fan and you can't insult the man. So it is with atheism. Theists complain all they want about atheists, but they never have anything to say about atheism itself, they don't have the easy ability to ridicule it like we can theism. I mean, honestly, all one has to do to make a mockery of Christianity is :worship: a flying ball of spaghetti. I suppose theists have a right to be thin-skinned.

Ever notice how even Rock Legends,who were traditionally
hyperkinetic and ballsy { almost a standard } seldom if ever
wanna tread there.That being the Domain of God & Godliness.
Even rock legends,befuddled and laced to the gills with every known
feelgood drug.
It takes a huge effort to be So Cocksure and also intrinsically
ignurnt about Mankind and what constitutes what is or is NOT
worthy to Spiritualize about.
I wonder if Dante had this haggardly a task with those known
doubters.I wonder if Hell was the answer,before even a single
Atheist was born.
I Do.

It is really sad that you find it necessary to insult people's religious beliefs, Nappy. It just makes you even smaller than you already are.
See how thin-skinned he is? I didn't insult anyone, just noted how easy it is to do so, and here Frogger comes with the vitriol.

It's okay. I have a much thicker skin than that.

I was never a fan of Hendrix. I know he was incredibly talented, and I respect him for the impact he had on music, but I never really liked his music myself. I would have love to have seen Hendrix live. I don't really listen to his music that much now but I wore out my Are You Experienced album a long time ago.

See how thin-skinned he is? I didn't insult anyone, just noted how easy it is to do so, and here Frogger comes with the vitriol.

It's okay. I have a much thicker skin than that.

But YER WRONG.And in the loudest of tone.
There is NO saving grace for bein thick-skinned when it comes to
being in the wrong.
You DO comprehend that simple notion,I hope.
It's like Charles Manson,insisting he never lifted a finger to
hurt anyone,yet he sits in jail,like a stoolie.
Because his entire persona was WRONG.

Ever notice how even Rock Legends,who were traditionally
hyperkinetic and ballsy { almost a standard } seldom if ever
wanna tread there.That being the Domain of God & Godliness.
Even rock legends,befuddled and laced to the gills with every known
feelgood drug.
It takes a huge effort to be So Cocksure and also intrinsically
ignurnt about Mankind and what constitutes what is or is NOT
worthy to Spiritualize about.
I wonder if Dante had this haggardly a task with those known
doubters.I wonder if Hell was the answer,before even a single
Atheist was born.
I Do. Could you write this again when your not drunk so I can figure out what the hell your saying? Thanks

Could you write this again when your not drunk so I can figure out what the hell your saying? Thanks

Vien dietro a me, e lascia dir le genti.
Lasciate ogni esperanza,vol ch'entrate.

Vien dietro a me, e lascia dir le genti.
Lasciate ogni esperanza,vol ch'entrate. I've warned you about that combination of alcohol and opiates!!!:D

Which goes to Prove,very apparently,that You're not one bit
interested in defending yer claim,just attacking someone { me }
because i dared to challenge what I know to be truth.
Why you would say that stuff,instead of merely defending yer
claim of EXCOMMUNICATION is Obvious.
You drudged up some bogus shit about " Excommunicatiion " and
used yer parents as the willing pawns of yer scam.
You tried that to make 2 points.
Discredit ALL Catholics on the grounds of this Hellish thing
called " Excommunication " and
point 2 - use yer parents as examples,that are untouchable.
Just like a Liberal.
Liberals love to spout off Like Cindy Sheehan about how terrible ALL
War is,and uses her own son { Who Volunteered and Re-enlisted}
as sacrificial Lambs for pulling peacknik heartstrings.

Nice try ... Guttersniper.
I dont have to prove anything to you. All you will do is just call me a liar and a f"in Liberal. You dont know nothing about me. You can take your slide remarks and stick them in your rectum.

I dont have to prove anything to you. All you will do is just call me a liar and a f"in Liberal. You dont know nothing about me. You can take your slide remarks and stick them in your rectum.
welcome to AFN! you're not really "in" until one of the moonbats go off on you:drinktoth

I never trusted a priest after my first confession I thought he was weird insisting I must have masturbated and wasn't confessing it. I walked out when I was 10 or 12 years old I guess I have never been that dumb.

(JESUS IS COMING.)

Look busy.

I never trusted a priest after my first confession I thought he was weird insisting I must have masturbated and wasn't confessing it. I walked out when I was 10 or 12 years old I guess I have never been that dumb.
never?-we don't believe you either.:lolhit:

Canadianreader: Bless me Father for I have sinned. This is my first confession.

Priest: Dominus illuminatio mea, how many times a day do you masturbate, my son?

Canadianreader: Uh, I don’t masturbate, Padre.

Priest: Vocatus atque non vocatus Deus aderit!! Really, how often? Once, twice a day?

Canadianreader: I swear, never.

Priest: Dei gratia, you must be pulling my leg. You never spank your monkey?

Canadianreader: No.

Priest: Flog the mule?

Canadianreader: Nope.

Priest: Polish your spoke?

Canadianreader: No.

Priest: Spank Hank? Jerkin’ yer gherkin?

Canadianreader: No, no, NO!! Never ever!

Priest: De Beata Vita, you are one strange little parishioner. Go now, and say three Hail Mary’s and one Lord’s Prayer.

Canadianreader: But I haven’t done anything wrong.

Priest: Deus misereatur, trust me, you will. It’s just a matter of time.

Canadianreader: I’m outta here.

Priest: Dominus vobiscum.


http://www.pravmir.com/uploads/resize_of_confession.jpg
:eek:

never?-we don't believe you either.:lolhit:?

Are you saying I should answer to you since you speak for everyone?

Sorry I took that wrong way I'm was taught to limit the word WE

What happened there was my prick (jerking) was not an issue to be speaking to a priest about. My dad told me not to talk about this in a confession since its not a sin.

Could you write this again when your not drunk so I can figure out what the hell your saying? Thanks


" As the saying is,homo solus aut deus,aut daemon: a man
alone is either a Saint or a devil. "

-- Robert Burton {Democritus Jr.}