The Ice Caps Are Melting…And Then Coming Back Again (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_ice_caps_are_meltingand_then_coming_back_again /)

Another blow (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/35266/Global-warming-It-s-the-coldest-winter-in-decades) for global warming alarmism.
NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.
Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.
It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.
But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back.
Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.
It’s almost like Al Gore and his supporters have no idea what they’re talking about.
A photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg has become one of the most enduring images in the campaign against climate change.
It was used by former US Vice President Al Gore during his Inconvenient Truth lectures about mankind’s impact on the world. But scientists say the northern hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades.
Now that’s some inconvenient truth.

there's a surprise....there was no satellite data before the fear of gobal warming so anything that "happens" is seen by the ckicken little crowd as "proof".

If this is true,which I doubt,it would be simply fluctuation of a shrinking ice cap,nothing more.

PS: Forget Al Gore, he is a 'has been'.

If this is true,which I doubt,it would be simply fluctuation of a shrinking ice cap,nothing more.

PS: Forget Al Gore, he is a 'has been'.

And the evidence that it's shrinking consists of what?

Paul is like so many Global Warming proponents. He refuses to be swayed by the facts. He knows Earth is getting warmer and all the evidence to the contrary must be ignored.

Paul is like so many Global Warming proponents. He refuses to be swayed by the facts. He knows Earth is getting warmer and all the evidence to the contrary must be ignored.
Frogger, very few people dont believe in Global Warming.
Most disagree about how it is occuring.

And the evidence that it's shrinking consists of what?
I think its to do with 'heat'.
Check out 'Global Warming'.

Frogger, very few people dont believe in Global Warming.
Most disagree about how it is occuring.

The funniest part of that is that even Frogger has agreed that the Earth is warming. He just doesn't agree when it suits him.

No, I agree that The Earth both warms and cools. We have gone through other warming (and cooling) periods throughout history.

No, I agree that The Earth both warms and cools. We have gone through other warming (and cooling) periods throughout history.

Here you are again, debating about who broke the glass when you won't even acknowledge that the glass is broken.

You're a waste of time.

Well you have a good day, Leper.

I don't agree with your alarmist views so I am a waste of time. That's what I like about you liberals, if anyone dares disagree with you they are a waste of time.

I suppose you Yanks would stick me in your liberal box, however, the trend is definitely towards the planet getting warmer.

In your opinion, Paul and seemingly in Leper's opinion. Of course, not all agree with the two of you. I guess Leper considers them all a waste of time.

In your opinion, Paul and seemingly in Leper's opinion. Of course, not all agree with the two of you. I guess Leper considers them all a waste of time.

Damn straight - people who deny thermometer readings are a gigantic waste of time. Yes, that includes you as of this exchange.

What else do you want to debate? Whether a meter is a hundred centimeters?

Btw, no shit the Earth warms and cools! Brilliant!

UK Scientists working in Antarctica have found some of the clearest evidence yet of instabilities in the ice of part of west Antarctica.

If the trend continues, they say, it could lead to a significant rise in global sea level.

The new evidence comes from a group of glaciers covering an area the size of Texas, in a remote and seldom visited part of west Antarctica.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7261171.stm

now.

Paleoclimate records from Antarctic and Greenland Ice cores seems to back up this evidence.
The results show that from any period in time between 20,000 and 55,000 years before present Antarctica gradually warmed when the North was cold and warm water export from the Southern Ocean to the North Atlantic was reduced.
* In contrast, the Antarctic started to cool every time more warm started to flow into the North Atlantic during warm events in the north. This result suggests that a general link of long-term climate changes in both hemispheres via a 'bipolar seesaw' when the Atlantic overturning circulation changes.*

http://www.esf.org/media-centre/press-releases/ext-single-news/article/climate-see-saw-links-northern-and-southern-hemisphere-in-the-glacial-period-98.html

The Ice Caps Are Melting…And Then Coming Back Again (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_ice_caps_are_meltingand_then_coming_back_again /)

Another blow (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/35266/Global-warming-It-s-the-coldest-winter-in-decades) for global warming alarmism.
NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.
Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.
It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.
But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back.
Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.
It’s almost like Al Gore and his supporters have no idea what they’re talking about.
A photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg has become one of the most enduring images in the campaign against climate change.
It was used by former US Vice President Al Gore during his Inconvenient Truth lectures about mankind’s impact on the world. But scientists say the northern hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades.
Now that’s some inconvenient truth.
yaaaay! thats a good thing!

good for the polar bears and all of us. suppose it was just a scare huh? i hope....

i dont think i can totally agree with this yet until i look it up,but yay for now! except last i heard the planet was getting much warmer.i watch the discovery channel a lot and its pretty reliable soooo....

The Ice Caps Are Melting…And Then Coming Back Again (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_ice_caps_are_meltingand_then_coming_back_again /)

Another blow (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/35266/Global-warming-It-s-the-coldest-winter-in-decades) for global warming alarmism.
NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.
Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.
It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.
But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back.
Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.
It’s almost like Al Gore and his supporters have no idea what they’re talking about.
A photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg has become one of the most enduring images in the campaign against climate change.
It was used by former US Vice President Al Gore during his Inconvenient Truth lectures about mankind’s impact on the world. But scientists say the northern hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades.
Now that’s some inconvenient truth.


The Polar Bear is dying---GROW_UP

I seriously doubt that the Anartica is re-freezing.

I would like to motion we change the widely used phrase "hell has frozen over" to "Antartica has frozen over".

I think its to do with 'heat'.
Check out 'Global Warming'.

You mean like this?

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=d7c7fcce-d248-4e97-ab72-1adbdbb1d0d0&k=4336

And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past

Global Warming destabilises the climate, the term being 'fluctuation'.

It's been 'fluctuating' for eons. Fluctuation, by itself, is not necessarily an indication of other than fluctuation. You'll have to offer something else.

Have to offer something else!

Are you in denial?

I dont think anyone thinks Global Warming isn't occurring.

Have to offer something else!

Are you in denial?

I dont think anyone thinks Global Warming isn't occurring.

waldo's one of the flat-earthers, paul. He also believes Bush is a great president and our occupation of Iraq is a good thing. Don't pay him any mind.

Have to offer something else!

Are you in denial?

I dont think anyone thinks Global Warming isn't occurring.
check back in the summer. it's going to have to be seriously freaking hot for the average temp to be up this decade.

Global Warming destabilises the climate, the term being 'fluctuation'.
in Old-Speak, it's called "seasons".

Have to offer something else!

Are you in denial?

I dont think anyone thinks Global Warming isn't occurring.

I concede it is currently warming. For how long?

And thirty some years ago they were telling us we could be on the verge of a new ice age.

The future is no more settled than is the lottery picks.

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles....87279412587175


Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

The Polar Bear is dying---GROW_UP

The polar bears are NOT dying. Check your facts and then grow up and get back to us.

For a place that's supposed to be getting more ice (according to this dubious thread) - it seems odd that 100+ square mile blocks of ice would be breaking off and melting into the ocean.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03/25/antartica.collapse.ap/index.html

The funniest part of that is that even Frogger has agreed that the Earth is warming. He just doesn't agree when it suits him.

I used to believe the earth was warmng now I am not sure. Who says it is warming and what is their proof? How far back do they go? WTF? We are "warming" wtf does that even mean? "Global average" temperature doesn't even make sense. Why would you average the temperatures of the Sahara and the Arctic? Wtf does that do for anything?

For a place that's supposed to be getting more ice (according to this dubious thread) - it seems odd that 100+ square mile blocks of ice would be breaking off and melting into the ocean.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03/25/antartica.collapse.ap/index.html

ya, that is odd the ice should stay exactly the same for eternity.

Damn straight - people who deny thermometer readings are a gigantic waste of time. Yes, that includes you as of this exchange.



Here is a thermometer reading for you. I know you like graphs so her is one you may like.

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_large_hadcrut.jpg

Just one question - if you thought temperature fluctuations like this had any credibility, why weren't you linking this in January of 2007?

Instead you were pointing out that it had been a mild hurricane season -

http://allforums.net/showthread.php?t=22043&highlight=global+warming

It's funny how you latch on to anomalies to try to refute statistical averages - it belies a complete misunderstanding of statistics on your part, which is probably the reason you can't grasp the idea of global warming.

I posted that for you Leper, not for me. I already told you what I think of graphs. They are to easy to manipulate by playing with the scale. You shrink the scale you make even tiny changes look big and ominous. Seeing as you are the one concerned about the average global temperature I thought it might relieve some of your fears. Just trying to help.

I suppose you Yanks would stick me in your liberal box, however, the trend is definitely towards the planet getting warmer.

heh, heh,

keep in mind that the ocean levels are rising. they can't deny that. even if ice is reforming, it doesn't matter, the rising ocean level can and will have pressure on the ice, causing huge shelfs of ice to snap off. when it breaks it's not going to reattach itself as the water rises, even slowly, it's gonna float away and melt.
lovelock of the gaia theroy, says now it is just too fucking late. and i agree. i'll still recycle, and go more green, be more self sufficeint as possible, but i know, it ain't gonna do any good. civilisation is a dying thing. get used to it. and people are distracted by a middle eastern war. all that money,time, resources, and manpower, wasted.

Trav is right on... you can show a scale of just how drastic the CO2 levels have gone up, and all of the sudden you get scared. But when you know the whole picture, and how CO2 makes up about 2-3% of all greenhouse gases... it's not so bad. But they never show the big picture, just that CO2 has gone up by 400% or whatever.

400% is no big deal how big of picture do you see it at an atomic level?

We worry all our lives and nothing ever happens.
sometimes that is because we worried about them.

If 2% of my body grows by 4 times.... (I don't know the percentage of how much CO2 has gone up, just a guess).... It's a concern, but not the end of the world.

It's like saying "OH MY GOD... MY PINKY GREW BY 4 TIMES!! I'M GOING TO DIE!!".... well, if it's a malignant tumor than yea.. but that's not relevant in the discussion LOL.

There was an interesting line from the Stephen King movie, the Mist,

"Some people will never recognize there is a fire, even while their hair is burning."

There is even a more interesting line from The Outlaw Josey Wales,

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."

How about the blues brothers:

Elwood: "... so I took the liberty of bull-shittin' ya"

Jake: "you lied to me"

Elwood: "It wasn't lies... it was... Bullshit."