Good old-fashioned advice with a stern hand.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay,
Baby.
Even though still present 365 calendar year days and read
by more than 100 million readers,Dear Abby is still goin strong,
even though the original Grande Dame of Advice Columns has long
since left us.
But Leftist she was,in particular concerning Marriage and sexual
orientation.If it feels good than Go for It.
Was basically her advice then,and even Mores So...Today.
Turns out a very dear friend and counsel to the original Abby was
an important Jurist,who supported Gay Rights Activists,also.
This and more from Robert Knight,Director of Culture and Family Institute.
Interesting,what he has to say about Abby.
In all her Columns,she never assesses blame or criticizes one for
their sexual proclivity,orientation,but in fact,condones aberrant activity
on the same grounds she scorns Marriage as a sacred vested interest
among 2 select different genders.
Which kinda makes sense.Just because someone acts and dresses like
Kitty Carlisle of { To Tell the Truth } don't make em a fancy schmancy
truffle pie a la mode.
N'cest pas.?

You were listening to McConnell today, weren't you? Personally, I'm with Mike on this one.

You were listening to McConnell today, weren't you? Personally, I'm with Mike on this one.

Yes,But I dint listen to the entire interview.
MCConnell likes to test,feel out and trip-up when ever possible.
And Like Rush,he never,I mean Never gets anything wrong.
I don't where Sir Mike came down,but he's a got a big Libertarian
streak and like Me,me,me,me... Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Attended Dayton U. { Voted THE biggest party college by Playboy
in early 70's}.It's a Catholic University,but Pot & Beer and
Psychedelics were more poplar than Books.I think I saw a couple
Priests,in my entire 4 years.
I do remember Robert Knight affirming with certainty that a certain
highly credible survey found Homosexuality to NOT be Inborn.
And his beef with Dear Abby has more to do with her NEVER
criticizing those of sexual proclivity and her advice seems to be
just use a condom and if it feels good than Go for It.

Haven't the sisters been dead for about 10 years now? Amazing either column is still published.

What kind of loser would take advice from either Abby or Ann Landers, two old biddies typing crap for a newspaper?

I do remember Robert Knight affirming with certainty that a certain
highly credible survey found Homosexuality to NOT be Inborn.


A survey? What did he do, ask gay people if they were born that way?

What kind of loser would take advice from either Abby or Ann Landers, two old biddies typing crap for a newspaper?

Entirely my Point.The gist of what I was aiming at was,who today
woulda thunk that Dear Abby was anything but stuffy and prissy.?
But her Sexual advice never ran that course.The point of Robert
Knights thrust was that Abigail Van Buren was very progressive and
Pro-Gay.Never once scolding one seeking advice about proclivity
and even proferring enthusiasm about Lovelorn status,just make sure
to use a condom.Which is basically the Leftist Political playbook
on such Moral and family matters.

Entirely my Point.The gist of what I was aiming at was,who today
woulda thunk that Dear Abby was anything but stuffy and prissy.?
But her Sexual advice never ran that course.The point of Robert
Knights thrust was that Abigail Van Buren was very progressive and
Pro-Gay.Never once scolding one seeking advice about proclivity
and even proferring enthusiasm about Lovelorn status,just make sure
to use a condom.Which is basically the Leftist Political playbook
on such Moral and family matters.
Have I got an advice column for you! (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove)

A survey? What did he do, ask gay people if they were born that way?

If Freud were around today he would no doubt attack the problem
from Infancy,on into Juvenile Repression.
Try and establish a pattern for what stimulates the urge of
same-sex inclination.Which goes against nature.No species except
very few have ever developed a tendency towards same sex {gender}.
I can unabashedly say,Today,it is more a Status symbol and
source of underserved pride,mainly due to the obliteration of stigma,
and particularly the stigma of years of hiding and insecure closet
behavior.Now that the door is open,Homosexual behavior is no more
unique than 2 Loons,laughin at each other :
- On Golden Pond - !

Have I got an advice column for you! (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove)

I love that column! I haven't seen it in a long time, though.

For anyone not following the conversation here (common in Foolie's threads), my favorite radio host, Mike McConnell, had on some dude who thinks newspapers should have a disclaimer running in front of Dear Abby columns explaining that "Abby" has no formal psychological training. Too which I say "duh!" Mike suggested that the request was a little silly, a little obvious, and wasn't going to happen anyway.

I love that column! I haven't seen it in a long time, though.

For anyone not following the conversation here (common in Foolie's threads), my favorite radio host, Mike McConnell, had on some dude who thinks newspapers should have a disclaimer running in front of Dear Abby columns explaining that "Abby" has no formal psychological training. Too which I say "duh!" Mike suggested that the request was a little silly, a little obvious, and wasn't going to happen anyway.

First of all,McConnell is ALL Mouth.I've listened to him for almost
15 years.He basically relies on tested debating technique.
His is a common sense approach to virtually everything.
Sometimes he goes off on a tangent,but only when it resorts to
his bias.I know his weakness'.
The best thing I can say about McConnell is what a vacationing
Mike had his sub say about his expertise.It was 700's Kathy Lair and
she brashly contended that Mike's expertise on most all subjects
boils down to the 5 minutes before air time he spends glossin over
a Newsweek or Time Magazine.
I think she nailed it.
All any caller has to do is ask if Mike read such an such a Book,and
he'll NEVER flatly deny that he dint.
McConnell hates to be upstaged,Outdebated or seen as unknowledgable.
What else ya got.

I'm not talking about his debating skills or his knowledge or lack thereof - I'm just saying I agree with him. I don't think anyone views Abby as an expert, I don't think anything she says is going to turn someone gay, and asking for a disclaimer is stupid because it ain't ever going to happen.

No species except
very few have ever developed a tendency towards same sex {gender}.
That is an inaccurate statement. Homosexuality and bisexuality is found a lot in the animal kingdom. And not just a few animals. Many species!

That is an inaccurate statement. Homosexuality and bisexuality is found a lot in the animal kingdom. And not just a few animals. Many species!

Not at all true.
Very untrue and naive.
What else ya got.?

Not at all true.
Very untrue and naive.
What else ya got.? Over 400 species in the animal kingdom.

Over 450 species in the animal kingdom. And it is not untrue or naive. You are just ignorant on the subject. But instead of just calling me naive try researcing the subject.

A God Damned load of Bullshit revisionist history to help satiate and
thereby make it easier for an ever larger Pool of Gays to Justify their
Immoral,hedonist Lifestyle.
If it were True than the Scientist would have written numerous
studies on the matter,not just within the last decade.
I'd trust a Wet Gay about as far I would a dry Rhino on land
merely headin to McD's for a lone Hamburger.
No different than the concocted Global Warming scare.

A God Damned load of Bullshit revisionist history to help satiate and
thereby make it easier for an ever larger Pool of Gays to Justify their
Immoral,hedonist Lifestyle.
If it were True than the Scientist would have written numerous
studies on the matter,not just within the last decade.
I'd trust a Wet Gay about as far I would a dry Rhino on land
merely headin to McD's for a lone Hamburger.
No different than the concocted Global Warming scare. www.youtube.com?v=D68_VlLD60Y (http://www.youtube.com?v=D68_VlLD60Y) If this link does not work just type in Homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom and search for it.

www.youtube.com?v=D68_VlLD60Y (http://www.youtube.com?v=D68_VlLD60Y) If this link does not work just type in Homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom and search for it.

ROFLMAO... guess this means we should look at species becoming extinct in a whole new light, eh???

:banana:

That is an inaccurate statement. Homosexuality and bisexuality is found a lot in the animal kingdom. And not just a few animals. Many species!
Don't even bother arguing with Foolsworth, afinertouch. It really isn't worth it. It's much more entertaining to make fun of him.

Don't even bother arguing with Foolsworth, afinertouch. It really isn't worth it. It's much more entertaining to make fun of him.

How Nautically Virtuous.Charting a course that couldn't give a hoot
about " Emet ".
Basically the Gay Community is Living a Lie.
Their Life expectancy is half that of a Normal person.
They have to Feel Pride,at Contrived Parades,dressing up as
one of The Village People.
I have no problem with someone who is Gay.There's an awfull lot of
Nice people,who are Gay.
I just don't wanna hear how their Life Choice is perfectly acceptable
and even Noble,of sorts.
Ya can't take a negative and make Positive just because of
a bandwagon.

How Nautically Virtuous.Charting a course that couldn't give a hoot
about " Emet ".
Basically the Gay Community is Living a Lie.
Their Life expectancy is half that of a Normal person.
They have to Feel Pride,at Contrived Parades,dressing up as
one of The Village People.
I have no problem with someone who is Gay.There's an awfull lot of
Nice people,who are Gay.
I just don't wanna hear how their Life Choice is perfectly acceptable
and even Noble,of sorts.
Ya can't take a negative and make Positive just because of
a bandwagon. So your homophobic and you know a lot of nice people that are gay but you just don't want them to be in parades because your jealous that you can't dress up as one of the Village People and march with them?

Don't even bother arguing with Foolsworth, afinertouch. It really isn't worth it. It's much more entertaining to make fun of him. Well that would be to easy but thanks.

ROFLMAO... guess this means we should look at species becoming extinct in a whole new light, eh???

:banana: What?

Well that would be to easy but thanks.

That's tha Gay approach.Don't even bother defending yer proclivity
juts parade round town,makin a virtual jackass of yournself,and
then when the Parade's over,do likewise in yer personal
life.How thoroughly grown-up.
Gays are ... Like .... Totally Selfish.
Like....Totally !
fer sure !

That's tha Gay approach.Don't even bother defending yer proclivity
juts parade round town,makin a virtual jackass of yournself,and
then when the Parade's over,do likewise in yer personal
life.How thoroughly grown-up.
Gays are ... Like .... Totally Selfish.
Like....Totally !
fer sure !
kinda like you on the 'net, eh?:lolhit:

kinda like you on the 'net, eh?:lolhit:

Yeah...yeah...,
Same damn thingy.

Originally Posted by smartmouthwoman
ROFLMAO... guess this means we should look at species becoming extinct in a whole new light, eh???

What?

I guess you haven't heard, but two male or two female thingy's can't make babies.

Better study up on that fact... there'll be a pop quiz tomorrow.

;)
SMW

SMW - In most species with homosexual behavior, the individuals in question would be better described as bisexual. Bonobo chimps, for instance, all engage in sexual behavior with many other members of the community, regardless of sex or age.

SMW - In most species with homosexual behavior, the individuals in question would be better described as bisexual. Bonobo chimps, for instance, all engage in sexual behavior with many other members of the community, regardless of sex or age.

If I may buddinski hears for a sec.I distinctly remember,juts a few
years ago,the hubbub over Man { Humans } being the only species
on Earth that has a proclivity towards same sex.And then slowly but
surely all kinda of studies came out disputing THAT & the Animal Kingdom
definately has example after example of such behavior.Then it was
surmised that THAT was also a relatively new phenom in the Animal
Kingdom.Now my theory is,that Darwin and his successors,hadn't found
any such pecularity in the Anima Kingdom,and we may be experiencing
some new development in sexuality among lesser primates.

If I may buddinski hears for a sec.I distinctly remember,juts a few
years ago,the hubbub over Man { Humans } being the only species
on Earth that has a proclivity towards same sex.And then slowly but
surely all kinda of studies came out disputing THAT & the Animal Kingdom
definately has example after example of such behavior.Then it was
surmised that THAT was also a relatively new phenom in the Animal
Kingdom.Now my theory is,that Darwin and his successors,hadn't found
any such pecularity in the Anima Kingdom,and we may be experiencing
some new development in sexuality among lesser primates.
Well, foolie, the thing is - "Lesser" primates were not observed in the wild significantly until about 30-40 years ago. We have definitely known about the bisexual tendencies of some of them since then.

SMW - In most species with homosexual behavior, the individuals in question would be better described as bisexual. Bonobo chimps, for instance, all engage in sexual behavior with many other members of the community, regardless of sex or age.

Well, IMHO, that's just the MALE of the species. We all know that most males will screw anything that stands still long enough.

Any research that indicates FEMALE animals participate in bisexual activities?

Well, IMHO, that's just the MALE of the species. We all know that most males will screw anything that stands still long enough.

Any research that indicates FEMALE animals participate in bisexual activities?
Actually, you have it backwards. The female bonobos engage in a lot more homosexual behavior, and sex in general, than the males.

The female bonobos certainly use sex with all members to communicate, relieve tension, accept new members into the group, etc. They are the alphas, and as such, they make the decisions about food distribution, new members (females often leave their home group at the end of adolescence and find a new group, seemingly to avoid having too many offspring by incestuous relationships, so when a new young female wants to join the group, it's the decision of the powerful females whether she joins or not), disputes within the ranks, etc. They use sexual behavior with both males and females to make these decisions.

EDIT: This Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior) has some good info. :)

Well, foolie, the thing is - "Lesser" primates were not observed in the wild significantly until about 30-40 years ago. We have definitely known about the bisexual tendencies of some of them since then.

I want Pics and Video of such IN THE ACT.
Or else,No dice.
Y'nose...like round dis pop stand.

I want Pics and Video of such IN THE ACT.
Or else,No dice.
Y'nose...like round dis pop stand.
Hmm... I watched a video from National Geographic in anthropology class showing that very thing...

Here, I found a video (National Geographic) on youtube about homosexuality in animals (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7RlTAyNI8WE&feature=related).

Hmmmm, interesting indeed. What you're telling me is Cheetah (Tarzan's chimp) was a pervert? Imagine that. No wonder he and Jane never really hit it off.

Bonobos do not form permanent relationships with individual partners. They also do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by gender or age, with the possible exception of sexual intercourse between mothers and their adult sons; some observers believe these pairings are taboo.

I'm glad to see the little apes have SOME scruples anyway!

Might be true for certain species of primates, but I remain unconvinced this is a common occurrence among other animals.

Might be true for certain species of primates, but I remain unconvinced this is a common occurrence among other animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

It's common among certain species, I believe several hundred have been confirmed now. Other species may have no homosexual behavior, or just none documented.

Vile - Great article! I especially liked the theory that homosexual relations may actually have an adaptive purpose (that is, increasing the Darwinian fitness, or reproductive success, of the individual). I think that definitely has some merit. Among bonobos, homosexual relations between females help the less dominant female gain status in the group, better access to food, and probably better access to the best male specimens to father their children. This could explain why bonobos and regular chimps reproduce at around the same rate, despite the fact that 75% of sex among bonobos is non-reproductive.

This could explain why bonobos and regular chimps reproduce at around the same rate, despite the fact that 75% of sex among bonobos is non-reproductive.

I think they're just horny little monkeys. :banana:

Gay monkeys?

No doubt it's the media's fault.

Gay monkeys?

No doubt it's the media's fault.
They didn't create them, they just exploited them. Remember "Monkey eye for the gorilla guy" and "Willie B. and Grace"?

Don't forget the Fredphelpian monkeys indigenious to Kansas...

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00358/ed_imageSNN1112D_358352a.jpg

Gay monkeys?

They're not really gay. Bonobos just have a wide stance.

I guess you haven't heard, but two male or two female thingy's can't make babies.

Better study up on that fact... there'll be a pop quiz tomorrow.

;)
SMW You obviously did not watch the youtube video!