It's something I say here on all forums all the time. I ran into this guys video on Godtube and he says it better then I do.

They're not in order but the one that gets straight to the point is the one I added first.

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=95363c2a2ae7d57ac384

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1c77a924057626825f6a

Do you really expect one of us godless heathens to actually waste our time watching some religious hackery?

I think it's hilarious when religious people try to accuse nonreligious people of having "faith", implying themselves that faith is a bad thing to have. Believe whatever works for you; don't worry about how much "faith" is involved in that.

I think it's hilarious when religious people try to accuse nonreligious people of having "faith", implying themselves that faith is a bad thing to have. Believe whatever works for you; don't worry about how much "faith" is involved in that.

I don't think it was implied that it was a bad thing.
The idea is that freethinkers are saying it's a bad thing by saying religion is bad.

In essence by saying, freethinkers need faith for their ideas they are forming a religion all their own. Replacing one idea with another and taking freedom of choice out of the equation by removing any other forms of religion.

It's about pride and ego.. it messes up a religious mindset. Religious people shouldn't care if others say their religion is dumb or incorrect, irrational, illogical, stupid, or a waste of time. They are welcome to their belief, and they are welcome to represent themselves in a disrespectful way. It's tough for americans especially to get over ego and pride, mainly because of the capitalist and materialistic culture.

Thats a good point Decka but I personally am not pointing this out because of that. I don't think the guy in the video is either.

We care because it's being called irrational and unpredictable. Has such it's being seen as a threat by many a freethinker.
It's being called irrational and unpredictable because it works off of faith and a belief. Note in one of the videos the guy states that it isnt so. It is meaningful.
Thats the point. Freethinkers use meaning for the faith they have in what they believe. It boils down to being the same thing and entirely subject to human error. Just as Christianity is. Both of us believe the world will be a better place with our belief in place.

That guy couldn't find a better setting than his garage? Who is he hiding from? And move the camera down a few inches! You are supposed to be in the center of the frame!

Geez!

I have great faith in Christianity's ability to produce the crappiest music, movies, arguments, et. al. known to man.

I have great faith in Christianity's ability to produce the crappiest, music, movies, arguments, et. al. known to man.
Mel Gibson is not going to like that, sugar tits. :D

There is some good christian music out there.. but definitely some cheesy stuff too... check out DCTalk, Audio Adrenaline, Tourniquet, Jars of Clay, or The Newsboys.. they are good bands IMO

check out <crappy bands here>
Ummm, no.

DC Talk is worse torture than waterboarding.

Don't forget that Bible adventures video game.

DC Talk rocks.. but of course, that is musical taste.

The entire CD entitled "Jesus Freak" is just good Rock/R&B music... The main reason they don't "make it" is because of the "christian" label they have, and people who bury any band carrying it... like a few that I see on here.

If anyone else is reading this and wants just a taste of DC Talk.. check out the songs "Jesus Freak" and "So Help Me God"... If they are bad music, let me know, i'd like an honest opinion. But don't just say "it sucks".. tell me why.

Don't forget that Bible adventures video game.
Convert the heathens! (http://www.thesimpsons.com/characters/rod.swf)

Note in one of the videos the guy states that it isnt so. It is meaningful.
Thats the point. Freethinkers use meaning for the faith they have in what they believe. It boils down to being the same thing and entirely subject to human error.

This is a bullshit strawman argument.

The fellow in the video is basing his entire argument on the premise;

Freethinkers and non-religionists (such as Harris and Dawkins) are telling people what they **ought** to be doing.

That is false. They are merely laying it out on the table;

You can either believe something based on "faith" or you can study it and observe it and, based on empirical date, come to a rational conclusion.

It is more about a contrast between viewing the world in a rational, critical light as opposed to viewing it in some supernaturalist light....a supernaturalism that the 'believers' have NEVER been able to provide the slightest shred of proof for.

Atheism is no more 'a religion' than bald is a hair color.