Well first of say if you think this is true. That more men enjoy porn than women do. As far as numbers go. And less emphatically, as far as interest level goes.

I think it's obviously the case. I think most people would agree that it's the case.

But any explanations? Theories? Why exactly is this the case?

More men enjoy porn more than most women do.

Why? my guess would be the jealousy and envy bit. Same as the study that evaluated men's and women's reactions to their own naked bodies. Men,on average, were much more happy with the way they looked than women when undressed. So I suppose it's more of an envy thing.

I've heard the "it shows women being exploited" reason, but I think this is more of a cop-out than anything else (unless you are watching some more bizarre porn... some of that stuff is degrading to humans... not just women).

I do enjoy some porn,I just don't want to watch it all the time. Theres no jealousy or envy or whatever involved....unless it's envy over all the money they make and not to mention the womens chiropractors,those dr's are rolling in money from them.....those boobs get heavy hauling them around 24/7

In all honesty for me,it can add to a couples sexual experience as a form of foreplay. But if it gets to the point it's needed everytime,then theres a problem.
I do agree that men like it more than women. But then again,who knows if those "numbers" are correct,alot of women are prudish about porn and would rather cut their own tongues out than admit they like it a little and will watch it.

I think porn plays on the part of the mind that evolved, or hasnt evolved from the hunter gatherer times.

A bit like a dog going round pissing on lamposts, men needed to leave their mark on the women in their pride sorta thing )

alot of women are prudish about porn and would rather cut their own tongues out than admit they like it a little and will watch it.
Wonderful. One of my hopes was to get people to offer insights like these, and then wonder further--why do you think women are this way? What causes women to be generally prudish about porn?

But any explanations? Theories? Why exactly is this the case?
Men are aroused visually moreso than women, as well as having a higher sex drive than women.

Men are aroused visually moreso than women, as well as having a higher sex drive than women.
Any proof? And also, if true, why?

What causes women to be generally prudish about porn?
Women have received harsher judgment than men in most of the world throughout history, and in modern society the remnants seem to remain. Societally women are not expected to be polyamorous. Also, sexually promiscuous women are often seen as negative by most men looking for a mate.

Virgins are glorified and there is no male equivalent of slut, after all.

Women have received harsher judgment than men in most of the world throughout history, and in modern society the remnants seem to remain. Societally women are not expected to be polyamorous. Also, sexually promiscuous women are often seen as negative by most men looking for a mate.

Virgins are glorified and there is no male equivalent of slut, after all.
What you are saying makes a lot more sense if every woman who watches porn tells the whole world about it, Evakian. But the truth is, I suspect that a lot of women are not aroused by the idea of watching porn, even if it is in the privacy of their chamber. It's like they've got better things to do.

Now why do you suppose that is.

I don't understand why whomever is Moderating at this time
doesn't REDIRECT or end this Thread,from this board.
But I do understand.
The Mods have No problem with Really important matters
such as Religion/Philosophy/Theology bein butchered or
thrown around like those Lions did in the Roman Colosseum
for sport and guttural laughs,by Human hyena who find
such sporting a real treat.
One would think that Wiser men,over time would have learnt well
the lesons of History and the jeering madness of throngs given to
such base mentality and the inherent weakness of character,personified.
Is All.

Any proof? And also, if true, why?
"Men are generally more interested in and responsive to visual sexually arousing stimuli than are women. Here we used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to show that the amygdala and hypothalamus are more strongly activated in men than in women when viewing identical sexual stimuli. This was true even when women reported greater arousal. Sex differences were specific to the sexual nature of the stimuli, were restricted primarily to limbic regions, and were larger in the left amygdala than the right amygdala. Men and women showed similar activation patterns across multiple brain regions, including ventral striatal regions involved in reward. Our findings indicate that the amygdala mediates sex differences in responsiveness to appetitive and biologically salient stimuli; the human amygdala may also mediate the reportedly greater role of visual stimuli in male sexual behavior, paralleling prior animal findings."
http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v7/n4/abs/nn1208.html

As for the sex drive question, different people have different sex drives, and different surveys depending on the feminist slant or demographic samples may or may not find males to have higher libidos than women. It seems practical for that, so the men try to implant their seed in as many as possible, whereas the female is more discerning in order to get a proper mate.
But you've inspired me to read more on it. I suppose I'll start here.
http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare

What you are saying makes a lot more sense if every woman who watches porn tells the whole world about it, Evakian. But the truth is, I suspect that a lot of women are not aroused by the idea of watching porn, even if it is in the privacy of their chamber. It's like they've got better things to do.
Proof? (I find it odd to ask people's opinions and ask for proof---as you should very well know, the average schmuck relies on personal experience and taste than so called "fact" :P)
Now why do you suppose that is.
They are not as visually aroused as men are, and numerous studies have shown this---I also consider it rather self apparent to anyone with a brain.

Well I think men and women are both visual its just that they like to look at different things. I certainly think men are more likely to pay to see naked pictures of women than vice-versa. The emotional impact on men is more substanial than women seeing men naked. Also much porn is degrading to women. And if you have seen any amount of porn you know that is true. But at the same time there are more women buying porn. It's just different that porn men like to watch. Men don't really need their porn to tell a romantic story. :cool:

Wonderful. One of my hopes was to get people to offer insights like these, and then wonder further--why do you think women are this way? What causes women to be generally prudish about porn?


could be the way a womans own mother was raised therefore it was instilled into the daughter from a young age that porn is "dirty" and degrading. It's like the family heirloom gravy boat,it gets passed down the female line of the family.
I know my mom thinks this way and gives my dad,brother,2 of my sisters and myself evil looks for talking about it around her.

Men don't really need their porn to tell a romantic story. :cool:

Romance and porn are mutually exclusive.

:D

Proof? (I find it odd to ask people's opinions and ask for proof---as you should very well know, the average schmuck relies on personal experience and taste than so called "fact" :P)
Well I will take personal experience as acceptable "proof". I just want to know that you are not making a theory up sitting in an armchair the whole time.

For this Board.

Shame on the Mod or Mods who haven't the sense God Gave Geese
NOT to recognize such a slight.

Romance and porn are mutually exclusive.

:D
That actually brings up an interesting point. In porn there are two different ways of presenting a video, plot-wise: Gonzo, or Feature.

Feature has a storyline and the porn actor/actress actually act. You know, like the student is hitting on the tutor, babysitter is hitting on the house man...stuff like that.

Gonzo is no pretending at all. The porn stars talk into the camera and to eat other about each other a little, then start fucking, the whole time being themselves (mostly).

The interesting thing is that Gonzo is now the prevalent format, and has gained prominence steadily. People who watch porn are starting to prefer to bypass the phony acting and get right now to business. Perhaps even feel a personal connection with the actor/actress.

Gonzo's better if you ask me.

For this Board.

Shame on the Mod or Mods who haven't the sense God Gave Geese
NOT to recognize such a slight.

Well, then stop looking at it. You'll notice that unlike most of the political threads, no vulgar names for body parts have been mentioned.

well,what about for you men,besides the obvious attraction of a naked woman,what makes you guys tick when it comes to porn?

... there is no male equivalent of slut, after all.


you've never heard the term "womanizer"? it's hardly ever used in a positive context.

then there's "whoremonger"..a whole other story.

Well first of say if you think this is true. That more men enjoy porn than women do. As far as numbers go. And less emphatically, as far as interest level goes.

I think it's obviously the case. I think most people would agree that it's the case.

But any explanations? Theories? Why exactly is this the case?
There ya go a stereo typing and it's not right, Dio.

I love porn, men or women, makes no difference to me. Maybe I am too a visual creature, but sex is soooo fine!

A woman gets just as excited watching a flick as a man does, in my opinion.
Men and women are equally attractive and deserving the attention.

Not sure if it's because the way you were raised, as I was raised by everyone and no one at the same time. I have developed my own sexuality in my lifetime, not according to the stereotypes set before us.

I don't understand why whomever is Moderating at this time
doesn't REDIRECT or end this Thread,from this board.
But I do understand.
The Mods have No problem with Really important matters
such as Religion/Philosophy/Theology bein butchered or
thrown around like those Lions did in the Roman Colosseum
for sport and guttural laughs,by Human hyena who find
such sporting a real treat.
One would think that Wiser men,over time would have learnt well
the lesons of History and the jeering madness of throngs given to
such base mentality and the inherent weakness of character,personified.
Is All.
if you're that pissed that there's no examples, just google it:rolleyes:

For this Board.

Shame on the Mod or Mods who haven't the sense God Gave Geese
NOT to recognize such a slight.
Maybe if you looked at more porn, you'd lighten up.

women can turn themselves on whenever they feel like it....LOL.we dont need porn.hahahe.

you've never heard the term "womanizer"? it's hardly ever used in a positive context.

then there's "whoremonger"..a whole other story.


Ron Jeremy comes to mind....wasn't it him that made it his life mission to nail any female that would lay still long enough?

well,what about for you men,besides the obvious attraction of a naked woman,what makes you guys tick when it comes to porn?
it's like a guy's romance novel...it's never gonna happen like that in real life.:lolhit:

Not sure if it's because the way you were raised, as I was raised by everyone and no one at the same time. I have developed my own sexuality in my lifetime, not according to the stereotypes set before us.
Imp... I see a lot myself in you... This isn't the first time I've thought this.

I try not to put a label on my sexuality. I just know I don't think about it the same way other people do.

Maybe if you looked at more porn, you'd lighten up.
hahahaha, I think perhaps even his hand rejects him Borg.

Thus he's so high strung.

women can turn themselves on whenever they feel like it....LOL.we dont need porn.hahahe.



true when you're a horny teenager and don't care who you have sex with.
As an adult,IMO,women want stimulation and porn flicks can provide that. As for women being able to turn themselves on whenever they feel like it,have a kid then come back and tell me you feel turned on whenever the mood strikes;)

Ron Jeremy comes to mind....wasn't it him that made it his life mission to nail any female that would lay still long enough?
he's getting paid for that.

Imp... I see a lot myself in you... This isn't the first time I've thought this.

I try not to put a label on my sexuality. I just know I don't think about it the same way other people do.
yes Dark. I've heard you say this quite a few time in the past few years together. We are very much alike. There is nothing wrong with the way we view the world around us, nor the way we view sex.

I actually think we are the elite. We are able to experience and desire so much more then the average person. From those experiences, we love and grow.

Fuck labels, eh?

Fuck labels, eh?
:D Yeah. I hate it when people ask me if I'm straight... I tend to say yes, especially if I don't feel like making a long explanation. I don't feel straight or gay or bi though. I think we should just be attracted to whoever we want and not worry about gender - although since we're just getting over not being worried about race, I think it might be a while.

true when you're a horny teenager and don't care who you have sex with.
As an adult,IMO,women want stimulation and porn flicks can provide that. As for women being able to turn themselves on whenever they feel like it,have a kid then come back and tell me you feel turned on whenever the mood strikes;)
it sounded like you were directing that comment towards me(idk) so heres wat im gonna say.im not being rude im only defending myself.i am not a horny teenager,i've never had sex and dont have the desire to at this time in my life.if i did want to,i WOULD care who i did it with.and wat i posted was just a little joke,ok?i wasnt being serious.:)

:D Yeah. I hate it when people ask me if I'm straight... I tend to say yes, especially if I don't feel like making a long explanation. I don't feel straight or gay or bi though. I think we should just be attracted to whoever we want and not worry about gender - although since we're just getting over not being worried about race, I think it might be a while.
The problem is, so few people are truly bisexual, that is they have no gender preference. Then again, very few people are wholly hetero or homo, too; machismo may prevent a lot of men from ever admitting attraction to another man, but I tend to accept Kinsey's conclusion that most people are not 100% "straight". I don't know if it's societal conditioning or just the way I am, but I did call myself "bicurious" when I was younger...but I sort of grew out of that. Sexuality is a really weird thing. It's certainly not a boolean value like fundamentalist assholes would have you believe.

:D Yeah. I hate it when people ask me if I'm straight... I tend to say yes, especially if I don't feel like making a long explanation. I don't feel straight or gay or bi though. I think we should just be attracted to whoever we want and not worry about gender - although since we're just getting over not being worried about race, I think it might be a while.
It's coming around, sweetie.

People are facing the fact that bi and gay is just as normal as straight. As I said before, you have no control over who you fall in love with, whether it is of the same sex or not. I dearly love Andrea, althought it wasn't meant to be, and I dearly love Aj, with all my heart.

* and Sparky too* ;)

I think we are more advanced then those who only chose to love the opposite sex. They don't have the ability in themselves to love others as equally, no matter the gender.

If you love someone, don't ever let someone else stand in your way, male or female.

Well okay Imp, so you think I was making a generalization about a difference between male and female that is inaccurate? You don't think that a higher percentage of men enjoy watching porns than women?

Well okay Imp, so you think I was making a generalization about a difference between male and female that is inaccurate? You don't think that a higher percentage of men enjoy watching porns than women?
you might be right.there probly are a higher % of men that watch porn rather than women.although we are all probly just takin that out of wat we already know w/o any real statistics.i have a best friend who is female who watches it all the time so who knows.:D

i am not a horny teenager,i've never had sex and dont have the desire to at this time in my life.


then why jump into an adult discussion about sex and porn? Even jokingly?:confused:

It's certainly not a boolean value like fundamentalist assholes would have you believe.
No, it is not. Don't ever think for one moment that the woman sitting beside is not getting 'wet' watching the same porn as you men are.

It's the deeeeep thrusts and the OOOooohhh's and AAAAaahhhh's that make us slippery, just as you guys pre-cum at such a thing.

It's natural, and desirable. Don't kid yourself over what really turns you on!

so yur saying,michelle,that just bc i havent had sex that i dont know anything about it and cant make a little harmless joke on a topic.its not like i was going into great detail or anything.who cares.i really dont want to argue ok? lets just shut our mouths right now.i want to be happy.:)

The problem is, so few people are truly bisexual, that is they have no gender preference. Then again, very few people are wholly hetero or homo, too; machismo may prevent a lot of men from ever admitting attraction to another man, but I tend to accept Kinsey's conclusion that most people are not 100% "straight". I don't know if it's societal conditioning or just the way I am, but I did call myself "bicurious" when I was younger...but I sort of grew out of that. Sexuality is a really weird thing. It's certainly not a boolean value like fundamentalist assholes would have you believe.
I agree that no one is 100% straight...

I call myself more straight, because of who I generally have relationships with. However, when I'm looking around at people I definitely check out women more and am more appreciative of them physically. I think if everyone was bi, I would date men and women equally... The fact that I don't date women is probably mainly caused by the taboo against it and the fact that there are so many less of them available to me.

so yur saying,michelle,that just bc i havent had sex that i dont know anything about it and cant make a little harmless joke on a topic.its not like i was going into great detail or anything.who cares.i really dont want to argue ok? lets just shut our mouths right now.i want to be happy.:)



Who's arguing?

Who's arguing?
it just seemed like we were getting into an arguement and i dont want to argue with you cz i consider u a friend here.it just kinda offended me wat you said when i made a joke,it was sorta like u were judging me.

Well okay Imp, so you think I was making a generalization about a difference between male and female that is inaccurate? You don't think that a higher percentage of men enjoy watching porns than women?

Probly so, Dio. But I think you neglect to count in the percentage of us woman who are turned on by porn, whether it's woman on woman or man on woman... or sometimes man on man.

Sex is beautiful to many, no matter your status or label by others.

I get extremely turned on by moans and groans, male or female. It may be the 'lust' part of me that gets me going when I watch others going at it.

I don't really think porn is a male dominant thing, woman enjoy it whole heartedly, whether they admit it or not.

I agree that no one is 100% straight...

I call myself more straight, because of who I generally have relationships with. However, when I'm looking around at people I definitely check out women more and am more appreciative of them physically. I think if everyone was bi, I would date men and women equally... The fact that I don't date women is probably mainly caused by the taboo against it and the fact that there are so many less of them available to me.


you're only the 3rd or 4th woman I've ever heard admit they check other women out. I do it sometimes too,especially if the woman is exceptionally pretty to me.

In very general terms, women are more stimulated aurally, while men are visually stimulated. Mars - Venus (http://www.marsvenus.com/xcart/product.php?productid=66)

I agree that no one is 100% straight...

I call myself more straight, because of who I generally have relationships with. However, when I'm looking around at people I definitely check out women more and am more appreciative of them physically. I think if everyone was bi, I would date men and women equally... The fact that I don't date women is probably mainly caused by the taboo against it and the fact that there are so many less of them available to me.
I wouldn't say that no one 100% straight. They certainly exist; there are probably equal numbers of pure breeders as there are pure fags and pure dykes. However, they're likely in very small minorities. Most of us are wired to respond to the human body in general, with different weights to genders. I certainly have a preference towards women, but I can't rule out potential liaisons with guys somewhere down the line. I probably wouldn't go seeking any, but I don't see anything intrinsically disgusting about it, either.

I wouldn't say that no one 100% straight. They certainly exist; there are probably equal numbers of pure breeders as there are pure fags and pure dykes. However, they're likely in very small minorities. Most of us are wired to respond to the human body in general, with different weights to genders. I certainly have a preference towards women, but I can't rule out potential liaisons with guys somewhere down the line. I probably wouldn't go seeking any, but I don't see anything intrinsically disgusting about it, either.

Good on you Borg for being open and honest about it.

I am normally attracted to a man, with a great mind. Sometimes I am distracted by a woman with a beautiful body or spirit, one I want to be part of.

Many will not accept or acknowledge that fact. I'm glad you are sincere and that you did.

In very general terms, women are more stimulated aurally, while men are visually stimulated. Mars - Venus (http://www.marsvenus.com/xcart/product.php?productid=66)
I've read that book, and as much as I agree to many said stated therein, I also agree that woman are able to visuallly be attracted to other woman.

I fell in love with Andrea because of her soft, bright spirit, so it may have been more aurally than visual.

I have although been attracted by plain appearance to another woman visually, thus my indifference.

Same with men in my life.

Well first of say if you think this is true. That more men enjoy porn than women do. As far as numbers go. And less emphatically, as far as interest level goes.

I think it's obviously the case. I think most people would agree that it's the case.

But any explanations? Theories? Why exactly is this the case?
Women can have sex whenever they want and most men cant?

Women can have sex whenever they want and most men cant?
Good point. Of all my friends who are still virgins, the guys probably outnumber the girls about 10 to 1.

Women can have sex whenever they want and most men cant?
See, I just don't get that.

If I was a man, I have no doubt I could have any woman I so desired, and I don't see why the average guy doesn't think so? I mean, wtf? really?

As an average woman it holds true, what is the differnce between the average man then?

Good on you Borg for being open and honest about it.

I am normally attracted to a man, with a great mind. Sometimes I am distracted by a woman with a beautiful body or spirit, one I want to be part of.

Many will not accept or acknowledge that fact. I'm glad you are sincere and that you did.

Geez. You make us guys who are totally straight sound so closed minded. I've tried to consider whether men are attractive or not and I honestly have trouble telling. I can only tell male attractiveness on a most general level (e.g. he's fit and doesn't have any deformaties, so he's probably attractive). Sorry, I'm just not attracted to men, and frankly, I think I'm pretty repulsed by men hitting on me. If that makes me closed-minded, so be it.

As to the subject of porn, there's no doubt in my mind that men enjoy it more. That's not to say there are no exceptions, obviously Imp sounds like an exception. It's just a visual stimulation thing - men tend to be more stimulated than women by stimulating pictures.

Maybe if you looked at more porn, you'd lighten up.

If dat were the case,then I'm already Lighter than Air.
Poilly as ebullienlty free floating as Nitrous Oxide around
W.C.Fields on his off hrs.
Maybe Lighter,I dunno.
There a time & place for everything.
I don't believe I ever even imagined askin a Porn Star what they
think of the Nude Italian Stallian on the Set,Dante.
Or his home domicile of Inferno,Ariz.

Let's put the generalizations to bed, shall we?

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v7/n4/abs/nn1208.html

The brain rewards men more for looking at women or pictures of them than the converse.

Of course men like porn because the women are naked but also because the women do anything the guy wants!!!

I wouldn't say that no one 100% straight. They certainly exist; there are probably equal numbers of pure breeders as there are pure fags and pure dykes. However, they're likely in very small minorities. Most of us are wired to respond to the human body in general, with different weights to genders. I certainly have a preference towards women, but I can't rule out potential liaisons with guys somewhere down the line. I probably wouldn't go seeking any, but I don't see anything intrinsically disgusting about it, either. I think many people are probably polysexual. They are attracted to more than one gender but do not wish to be identified as bisexual because it implies that there are onely two binary genders. Polysexuals are those people sexually attracted to many different sorts of ideas and characteristics.

I was raised from an early age with ready access to porno mags.
My dad left them unsecured, and in fact magazines like Playboy and Penthouse (as well as a variety of perplexing 'Nudist lifestyle' publications) were the standard bathroom magazine bin reading material.

I guess I came to take it for granted, because as an adult, I find very little use for porn. (Either magazines or videos.) If find porn to be contrived, two-dimensional, and vaguely insulting to my intelligence.

Don't get me wrong, I don't find porn to be morally offensive, just aesthetically revolting. I love sex more than probably anyone on this earth, and I wish for everyone to have lots and lots of it.
But these poorly acted videos, and the magazine shots of silicone-injected boobies and vaselined, splayed-open female anatomy studies?
Christ, there's just no romance in it.

If you stranded me forever and always on a desert island, and gave me a choice of having endless supplies of porn, non-stop, 24-7,
or
a conjugal visit once every five years from a real live woman who I loved and felt genuine affection for?

I would have to opt for the rare and special real sex, as opposed to the readily-available celluloid kind.
:cool:

See, I just don't get that.

If I was a man, I have no doubt I could have any woman I so desired, and I don't see why the average guy doesn't think so? I mean, wtf? really?

As an average woman it holds true, what is the differnce between the average man then?

Thats a good question.

I think it has a lot to do with self confidence. Which may or may not be part of a guys upbringing.

It is the guy who generally has to make the first move. Women are way more selective.

What an interesting conversation. Here is my two cents.

Do I watch porn? On occasion. I enjoy a good porno every now and then. However, and I hope it's the same for other guys too, the only time I go near porn is when I do not have a girlfriend. If I'm intamately involved with someone, porn is the last thing I think about. It's just not needed at all, and I MIGHT even consider it to be close to cheating. I have however watched porn with a girl, that is a very very rare occasion though, at least in my experience. She was pretty into it too, by the way.

Do I need porn to get off when I don't have a girlfriend though? Nope. I'm perfectly capable of doing that on my own, and I thank my good sex drive, and decent imagination for that. But you know, sometimes you just gotta indulge. It's just kinda a throw away thing though. You turn it on, do your thing, and forget about it after you're done. I'm not even attracted to the women involved. I guess it's just witnessing the act, and hearing the moans and groans, I don't know. So yeah, I watch it on occasion when I'm single, who cares? Do women enjoy it as much as some men do? I would say mostly no. Men are way more predisposed to that sort of thing, it's just the way society is.

As for the other topic being discussed here... I can look at another man and tell you if he's attractive or not. However I am not actually attracted to men, at all. I don't think I ever will be. When I flip through a magazine, or watch a movie, or meet a guy in real life, I'll think in my head whether he looks good or not. I will take note of what he's wearing, features, stuff like that. However I think that it's more of an evolutionary thing, sizing up the competition perhaps? Everyone is programed to do this I think. Something totally different happens when I look at a beautiful woman, totally different synapses fire in my brain than when I look at a good looking guy. I don't think it makes me any less of a man if I can tell you whether another man looks good or not.

. I don't think it makes me any less of a man if I can tell you whether another man looks good or not.
It doesnt make you less of anything,imo.


It's always been natural for me to admire qualities, both physical and emotional, in either sexes.

it sounded like you were directing that comment towards me(idk) so heres wat im gonna say.im not being rude im only defending myself.i am not a horny teenager,i've never had sex and dont have the desire to at this time in my life.if i did want to,i WOULD care who i did it with.and wat i posted was just a little joke,ok?i wasnt being serious.:)


You have just risen about fifty points in my admiration, paulaorcas. In our sex obsessed society it is rare that a man or woman would admit to not yet having had sex. Many feel pressured to have sex and most others feel even more pressured to lie and say they have. Continue to be true to yourself and have or do not have sex according to your own wishes not society's expectations.

I think men and women view porn differently. Most men are interested in the physical aspect of sex, the actual sex and the more bizarre the better. Most women prefer that the sex arise out of some sort of story line rather than being simply wham bam thank you maam.

Porn used to be better years back when there were actual story lines and actors and actresses rather than simple suck and fuck machines. Porn movies used to actually have a plot with actual dialogue. Much of today's porn is nothing more than compilations of facials, bukakkes, or twosomes, going from scene to scene as soon as the man ejaculates. That's not really porn. It's rutting.

Porn used to be better years back when there were actual story lines and actors and actresses rather than simple suck and fuck machines. Porn movies used to actually have a plot with actual dialogue.
Do you mean a plot as in an actual plot, or a plot as in, "The pizza man is here, and somehow, he is going to have sex with the buxom blonde who owns the large, expensive beach house. We don't know what contrived way it's going to move from pizza delivery to sex, but it's going to happen, dammit. Bow chicka bow bow."?

Do you mean a plot as in an actual plot, or a plot as in, "The pizza man is here, and somehow, he is going to have sex with the buxom blonde who owns the large, expensive beach house. We don't know what contrived way it's going to move from pizza delivery to sex, but it's going to happen, dammit. Bow chicka bow bow."?

Thats the best porn. I want to be a pizza man!

Do you mean a plot as in an actual plot, or a plot as in, "The pizza man is here, and somehow, he is going to have sex with the buxom blonde who owns the large, expensive beach house. We don't know what contrived way it's going to move from pizza delivery to sex, but it's going to happen, dammit. Bow chicka bow bow."?
when i delivered pizza, it was normally because her husband was "working late", or she didn't have enough cash on hand. :banana:

You have just risen about fifty points in my admiration, paulaorcas. In our sex obsessed society it is rare that a man or woman would admit to not yet having had sex. Many feel pressured to have sex and most others feel even more pressured to lie and say they have. Continue to be true to yourself and have or do not have sex according to your own wishes not society's expectations.
Now that's slightly insulting for those of us who did not wait that long to have sex. I never felt pressured by "society" to have sex. I did feel pressured by some boyfriends, but I dumped them immediately if they were unhappy with my unwillingness to go all the way, and when I did lose my virginity it was entirely my decision. I lost my virginity when I was 15 and a half - that may seem early, but for those who know more about my life before that I think it would seem more appropriate.... Some people grow up faster than others, and now 2 and a half years later, I have no regrets about losing my virginity when I did. I still feel that I was mature enough to handle it at that time.

You have just risen about fifty points in my admiration, paulaorcas. In our sex obsessed society it is rare that a man or woman would admit to not yet having had sex. Many feel pressured to have sex and most others feel even more pressured to lie and say they have. Continue to be true to yourself and have or do not have sex according to your own wishes not society's expectations.
thanks.im never ashamed to admit ive never had sex bc im actually proud of it.now,im definetly not saying i despise ppl who have had sex at my age,im just glad ive stuck to how i was raised.plus im very personal about my body,and right now the only person i want seeing me is me.i dont even like it when my own family walks in on me,and i hate locker rooms.

Now that's slightly insulting for those of us who did not wait that long to have sex. I never felt pressured by "society" to have sex. I did feel pressured by some boyfriends, but I dumped them immediately if they were unhappy with my unwillingness to go all the way, and when I did lose my virginity it was entirely my decision. I lost my virginity when I was 15 and a half - that may seem early, but for those who know more about my life before that I think it would seem more appropriate.... Some people grow up faster than others, and now 2 and a half years later, I have no regrets about losing my virginity when I did. I still feel that I was mature enough to handle it at that time.
as long as you know your ready i think its fine.its good that you werent pressured by your boyfriends.now ive only had one,but if one of those hormone crazed ones comes along ill be sure to remember your story.

Much of today's porn is nothing more than compilations of facials, bukakkes, or twosomes, going from scene to scene as soon as the man ejaculates. That's not really porn. It's rutting.
As a porno connoisseur, I can say for a fact that you're completely wrong. The porn industry has evolved, but you can rarely see the benefits by simply browsing a store. One only needs to join one of the many communities on the internet dedicated to the topic to find the good stuff.

DarkFantasy,

No insult was intended. If you felt ready to have sex that is your business and not mine although I think you should not have corrupted our poor little boy poster. You have probably ruined him for every other woman. :lolhit:


What I admire about paulaorcas is her willingness to share that she is still a virgin as well as the fact that she has not allowed herself to be pressured into sex.) allow themselves to be pressured into doing something they really aren't comfortable doing.

Nappy,

I have been reading and watching porn since before you were born. I read my first Eight Pager, something you have probably not even heard about, about Popeye and Olive Oyl back in the mid-50's before you were born.

Porn has definitely degenerated expecially with the introduction of internet porn. Porn movies used to have actual plots, plots that preceeded and followed the sex, plots that gave a reason for the sex. It wasn't just the pizza boy delivers a pizza and gets head from the bored housewife.
The first porn movie I viewed was, The Immoral Mr. Teas produced by Russ Meyers. I have seen the classic Faster, Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill and Cherry, Harry and Raquel. I watched porn change from soft porn with simulated sex to movies like Deep Throat, Behind the Green Door, and The Devil In Miss Jones. I have seen Japanese bukkake films, compilations, and the crap that passes for porn on today's internet.

Take it from me, porn was better about fifteen years ago than it is today.

What I admire about paulaorcas is her willingness to share that she is still a virgin as well as the fact that she has not allowed herself to be pressured into sex.) allow themselves to be pressured into doing something they really aren't comfortable doing.
While Paula should certainly do whatever she wants to and refrain from doing things she doesn't want to do, I fail to see how it's "admirable". It's a choice. Whoopty doo. It is neither positive nor negative, and despite what your generation thinks, our generation is no more or less horny than yours was. We're not "sex-obsessed" or immoral or whatever the hell you think. About half of high school seniors are virgins, and half are not. Nobody, especially the women, is really hassled about being virgins. It doesn't take "courage" to be a virgin, it just takes preference.

Who said you were immoral? I guess I struck a nerve, Borg.

borg is right though.its not like im better or anything for having chosen not to have sex.it is a personal choice.just an everyday personal choice like going veg or getting a tattoo or choosing to wear red or blue or purple.

whether or not it is admirable depends on who you are,how u were raised,and what your opinions are.

Who said you were immoral? I guess I struck a nerve, Borg.
Huh? You implied it, dude. "Sex-obsessed" is always said self-righteously, and you were no exception. Oh, you'll probably deny it so everyone can marvel at how progressive you are, but that's always the implication whenever anyone trots that one out. "Family values", "for the children", and "morality" are all intrinsic in calling our generation "sex-obsessed".

And incidentally, yes, I am pretty tired of religious fuckwits calling me immoral because I chose to have sex prior to getting married. I know you don't go quite that far in your pursuit of "family values", so this paragraph isn't really directed at you, but these abstinence-only assholes do tick me off.

Nappy, I have been reading and watching porn since before you were born. I read my first Eight Pager, something you have probably not even heard about, about Popeye and Olive Oyl back in the mid-50's before you were born... The first porn movie I viewed was, The Immoral Mr. Teas produced by Russ Meyers. I have seen the classic Faster, Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill and Cherry, Harry and Raquel. I watched porn change from soft porn with simulated sex to movies like Deep Throat, Behind the Green Door, and The Devil In Miss Jones. I have seen Japanese bukkake films, compilations, and the crap that passes for porn on today's internet.

Well, that's certainly something for a god-fearing "family man" to brag about! http://www.discussanything.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Borg,

Show me where I said anyone, including you, was sex obsessed. I said some people feel pressured into having sex not that anyone was sex obsessed.

Borg,

Show me where I said anyone, including you, was sex obsessed.
"You have just risen about fifty points in my admiration, paulaorcas. In our sex obsessed society it is rare that a man or woman would admit to not yet having had sex."

i think what he meant was there is so much in this country,and around the world really,that relates somehow to sex.

If that's what he meant, why didn't he say that?

i think what he meant was there is so much in this country,and around the world really,that relates somehow to sex.
everything a man does relates to the chance to procreate.

if it didn't, we'd all sit at home and watch football until the cable company cut us off.

If that's what he meant, why didn't he say that?


I did.

"You have just risen about fifty points in my admiration, paulaorcas. In our sex obsessed society it is rare that a man or woman would admit to not yet having had sex."

That wasn't directed at Borg or anyone in particular. It was a comment on the general importance of sex in our society. Haven't you noticed how so many companies use sex to sell their products? Haven't you noticed how sexual images permeate almost every aspect of our society? Sex is used to sell everything from cars to deodorants.

Borg personalized my comment and added an additional piece that I indicated he and others were immoral, something I never said or implied.

If Borg has a hangup about sex that is his problem, not mine.

Sex does not permeate society. It permeates human nature.

DarkFantasy,

No insult was intended. If you felt ready to have sex that is your business and not mine although I think you should not have corrupted our poor little boy poster. You have probably ruined him for every other woman. :lolhit:


What I admire about paulaorcas is her willingness to share that she is still a virgin as well as the fact that she has not allowed herself to be pressured into sex.) allow themselves to be pressured into doing something they really aren't comfortable doing.
:lolhit: Well honestly I never even thought to consider whether he was ready or not...

I also think it's admirable of Paula to wait until she feels comfortable. Sex changes a lot of things, and of course comes with a lot of responsibility.

Well, it did clear up Borg's acne.

If Borg has a hangup about sex that is his problem, not mine.
You're the one with the hangup, Frogger. You're the one pissing and moaning about how there's sex in your porn, and how there's too much sex in society, and so forth. How you can pull from this that I have a problem with it is beyond me, but whatever.
Well, it did clear up Borg's acne.
Near as I can tell, it didn't do a damn thing for it. My acne hit a low around the time I started college, stayed low until early 2007, then kicked back up again. Now it seems to be on a slow decline once more. I swear, my skin just likes to fuck with me.

While Paula should certainly do whatever she wants to and refrain from doing things she doesn't want to do, I fail to see how it's "admirable". It's a choice. Whoopty doo. It is neither positive nor negative, and despite what your generation thinks, our generation is no more or less horny than yours was. We're not "sex-obsessed" or immoral or whatever the hell you think. About half of high school seniors are virgins, and half are not. Nobody, especially the women, is really hassled about being virgins. It doesn't take "courage" to be a virgin, it just takes preference.

I disagree. I think it's an exercise in wisdom to refrain from having sex in high school. Sex in high school comes with a variety of problems, including children and STD's. I personally knew two girls who had kids immediately after high school - it's not a glamorous life.

Not to mention STD's. Did I not only know people who got some, I know a couple who have them to this day - Good luck finding a non-awkward way to tell someone you really care about you have a contagious and incurable disease that your partner could catch if they have sex with you - that or be an asshole and not tell the person you really care about at their risk, and yours. It's not a pleasant prospect, but it's a situation that happens more often than anyone talks about.

Maybe I'm biased because I waited to have sex (yes, by choice) until my 20's. I admittedly have some regrets there, cause I probably passed up some really great tail, but then again, I have fantastic tail now from a long-standing, healthy and loving relationship (although I do watch a little porn every now and then when I get the "I'm not in the mood" treatment).

Anyways, I think it's the right decision to hold off on sex until you have some serious responsibility. Not only that, I would go ahead and call it the morally correct decision - you take risks that are far to huge and potentially life altering for a little short term pleasure. That bit of self-control could certainly be called courage.

One other note, you should damn well know it's "cooler" to have sex in high school than not - you're living in lala land if you think otherwise. Acting like there's no pressure there is deluding yourself and others.

Maybe I just didn't think there was any pressure because I never actually went to high school... And it's not like "all my friends" were doing it either; considering that most of my girlfriends have been younger than me I was almost (but not quite) the first one of my friends to do it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that at 15 I hit a maturity level that most people don't hit until about 20. Obviously I still did a lot of stupid, stupid things, but most people do that in their 20s too. And as far as serious responsibility, I was a child who was forced to be a grown-up long before I started having sex. ("Hey, mom's out drinking with her boyfriend again and they took all the money! Who's going to root around for spare change, walk 45 minutes to the store, and try to make some dinner out of what little we can buy?" - That was me at 15.)

But most of what you say I can agree with, Leper. Most 15 year olds, especially the guys, since they mature more slowly, are not ready for sex. I happen to think that I was, and I'm tired of people condescending to me because of it. Obviously someone like Paula (no offense P) seems to be a little more sheltered than I was, and I'd certainly tell her and most of my other friends to wait if they came to me for advice.

I disagree. I think it's an exercise in wisdom to refrain from having sex in high school. Sex in high school comes with a variety of problems, including children and STD's. I personally knew two girls who had kids immediately after high school - it's not a glamorous life.
Well yeah, obviously, there are certainly upsides to abstinence. However, children and STDs are two risks that can be greatly reduced by simple condom use, and if you have sex with a low risk partner, you can cut STD risk to practically nothing.
Not to mention STD's. Did I not only know people who got some, I know a couple who have them to this day - Good luck finding a non-awkward way to tell someone you really care about you have a contagious and incurable disease that your partner could catch if they have sex with you - that or be an asshole and not tell the person you really care about at their risk, and yours. It's not a pleasant prospect, but it's a situation that happens more often than anyone talks about.
STDs are a risk with sex, but as I said, you can greatly reduce that risk. Most people with STDs got them through unsafe sex, usually with a high risk partner.
Anyways, I think it's the right decision to hold off on sex until you have some serious responsibility. Not only that, I would go ahead and call it the morally correct decision - you take risks that are far to huge and potentially life altering for a little short term pleasure. That bit of self-control could certainly be called courage.
With all due respect, Leper, inserting "morality" into the personal decision of whether or not to have sex is bullshit. You're taking risks, yes, but these are your own risks, not putting other people at risk (unless you're going around screwing without a condom and not getting tested). But smart people know how to reduce the risk, and let's face it: You can cut the risk of getting hit by a car to nothing...but you'll have to stay inside all day to do it. Doesn't seem like a very enjoyable life. :)
One other note, you should damn well know it's "cooler" to have sex in high school than not - you're living in lala land if you think otherwise. Acting like there's no pressure there is deluding yourself and others.
Probably, but I never really felt pressured in high school, at least certainly not by the people around me. I was horny, sure, what high school boy isn't? But it just never came up among my friends. Perhaps because we knew none of us were going to get laid in high school (I had nerdy friends and the program at my school was roughly 75% male).

Lets talk about all your maturity, Borg. Lets talk about how grownup you were when you first had sex.

Do you remember one of the first things you did after your first sexual encounter? You came here and posted about it in all its glory. You told us how you had fucked in this room and fucked in that room and fucked all over the place. You even gave enough information so that we knew who your partner was.

Do you really think that was an exhibition of maturity?

The fact that you can physically screw someone does not necessarily mean you are mature enough to do it. I think you exhibited that by your behavior.
I'm surprised at you, Frogger. Why are you trying to make this debate personal? Is this a "mature" thing to do?

I think the other person in question will read this before the day is out.

Sensitivities and personal talk on this issue is a bad idea guys.

I don't mind writing about my personal thoughts and experiences, Paul. I didn't bring anyone else into it.

If your not concerned-thats good enough for me.

women naturally? are more of the romantic thing.
i believe women are taught subtlely by society that to be embarressed by sex, sexuality, having an imagination towards sex.
romance novels and movies don't hyelp at all.
sex is sex period.
love and sex have nothing to do with each other.
most people aren't thinking "oh i love you" when doing the horizontal bop. more like , "yeah, take it slut." "oh fuck me you stud!" (except christians? what do they say in bed anyway? )
women in the majority of porn are not being taken advantage of. they are paid. they sign agreements to do the movie after reading the script. no one is taken advantage of there.
maybe a lot of women are ashamed of the idea of what some women do in these movies and don't want to be reminded that that kind of kinky stuff just never crosses their minds, and don't like the idea that men love it.
keep in mind ladies, most of us men like it hot, kinky, and steamy.
if you want some romantic crap go talk to the local preacher and see if he's available, if he doesn't have his dick up some poor kids asshole first.
the idea of kink was there BEFORE the movie was ever invented.

STD's are easily avoided by getting to know the person first.
and the great thing about knowing they are clean makes the sex even better, and kinkier.

i believe women are taught subtlely by society that to be embarressed by sex, sexuality, having an imagination towards sex.
I don't think it's subtle at all. Most of our society is quite overtly Victorian about sex, especially when it comes (no pun intended) to women.