Be warned before you open this video that it is very graphic. It shows three prisoners of Islamofascists bound and being burned alive.

These are the people we are fighting against and Cindy Sheehan is giving aid and comfort to.

http://http://videogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/Video.aspx?s=5&vid=2107 (http://videogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/Video.aspx?s=5&vid=2107)

Be warned before you open this video that it is very graphic. It shows three prisoners of Islamofascists bound and being burned alive.

Sad video, but how do you know who these people are?


These are the people we are fighting against and Cindy Sheehan is giving aid and comfort to.

How is Sheehan connected to this incident?

Read what good old Cindi has been doing lately, Vile, and who she is supporting.

Listen to what they are saying, Allahuakbar, Allahuakbar. Does that sound like something conservative Christians would say?

Read what good old Cindi has been doing lately, Vile, and who she is supporting.

I'll pass, thanks. I really have no interest in her opinions. :)


Listen to what they are saying, Allahuakbar, Allahuakbar. Does that sound like something conservative Christians would say?

No, but all it tells me is that they're Islamic. For all I know these guys could be Kurds burning a few Turks. These aren't necessarily people we are "fighting against" is all I'm saying. They could be our "allies". Before I decide they're my enemy, I'd want a little more specific information. For what it's worth, their behavior is appalling, whoever they are.

So either you speak the native tongue or...

because either wise hard to tell what happened.

btw ...you must know that the French love to eat frogs or at least frog legs..

excuse me but what is the point?
perhaps this another bushism stab at the "War on Terror"...
muuhaha..

oh and btw.. try not to undermine the loss of a mothers child in this occupation that some try sell as "The War on Terror"..
you soulless douchbag..

DO NOT LET KIDS WATCH THIS!

I hesitated to post this... if the mods decide to remove it, I understand completely.

This is probably the most vile thing I have ever seen (I coached ball to kids this age during the time when both my son and daughter played.... I cannot imagine this)

This is a 12 year old Taliban member doing the unthinkable. This video is probably the worst thing I have ever seen. DO NOT WATCH THIS if you have a weak stomach or are easily made ill.

I repeat... DO NOT CLICK ON THE IMBEDDED VIDEO UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED FOR A REALLY GROTESQUE AND INHUMAN SCENE.


Moved to the gold member section... thanks Vile.

DO NOT LET KIDS WATCH THIS!

I hesitated to post this... if the mods decide to remove it, I understand completely.

This is probably the most vile thing I have ever seen (I coached ball to kids this age during the time when both my son and daughter played.... I cannot imagine this)

This is a 12 year old Taliban member doing the unthinkable. This video is probably the worst thing I have ever seen. DO NOT WATCH THIS if you have a weak stomach or are easily made ill.

I repeat... DO NOT CLICK ON THE IMBEDDED VIDEO UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED FOR A REALLY GROTESQUE AND INHUMAN SCENE.



I'm not going to remove it OP...but I do have a question.

If you feel this is "probably the worst thing I've ever seen"...why would you want to share it?

BTW, anyone, of any age can come here and watch it, so you decide if your warning against letting kids watch it will do much good. :)

If you feel this is "probably the worst thing I've ever seen"...why would you want to share it?

BTW, anyone, of any age can come here and watch it, so you decide if your warning against letting kids watch it will do much good. :)
Just to show the difference in our society and the ones that we deal with in the radical islamic states.

I'll be happy to edit/pull the link... although any kid, with any google skills and knowledge of the internet can probably watch this (and even more perverted stuff). I tried to keep an eye on my children on the 'net... but I'm afraid I'm in the minority compared to many now.

The traffic here is slow on a Friday night... I'lll leave it up for a little bit longer, then I'll edit the post and eliminate the link.

I wish we had a "adults only" area. This kind of stuff is important... just not for the young.

DO NOT LET KIDS WATCH THIS!

I hesitated to post this... if the mods decide to remove it, I understand completely.

This is probably the most vile thing I have ever seen (I coached ball to kids this age during the time when both my son and daughter played.... I cannot imagine this)

This is a 12 year old Taliban member doing the unthinkable. This video is probably the worst thing I have ever seen. DO NOT WATCH THIS if you have a weak stomach or are easily made ill.

I repeat... DO NOT CLICK ON THE IMBEDDED VIDEO UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED FOR A REALLY GROTESQUE AND INHUMAN SCENE.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191270.php

OK.. I almost puked..
that was very disturbing..give me a minute or two..

Wow.. I can't say I've had a stronger reaction to video since the soldiers started coming back from Iraq with limbs missing and this REALLY surpasses that visual...oh man..phew..


Years ago I watched reports and vids of hostages taken during our initial occupation.. none quite as graphic..
I posted on my blog an eye for an eye (http://opinionsandreasons.blogspot.com/2004/11/what-can-you-do-with-open-can-of-worms.html) reaction to them..
"It is common procedure not to negotiate w/kidnappers but what if the next time they request we release some of their terrorist comrades we do so. Over a mosque or public arena from a chopper at about 1000 feet. Let them embrace Allah or whatever new world order they seek. The next time they behead a hostage, we behead a dozen.
Seriously we need a new strategy.. "

And this is a response from 2004.. I've mellowed some but I have no response to watching a 12 year old cutting off a mans head like he was gutting a deer.

I wish we had a "adults only" area. This kind of stuff is important... just not for the young.

Might I recommend the Gold Member forum?...at least "Guests" can't see it there. :)

Might I recommend the Gold Member forum?...at least "Guests" can't see it there. :)

Point taken... I'll remove it and post the link there. Thanks.

Just to show the difference in our society and the ones that we deal with in the radical islamic states.


I don't know OP...I just wonder at the value of communication of this kind. You show a video of some horrible Taliban atrocity, and they show a video of some child killed by a bomb dropped from an American plane...what then? At what point do we stop trying to convince ourselves that we should kill each other?

I have seen the video and I think seeing it serves a valid purpose. Whenever we start to forget what type people we are fighting we should view videos like this to jog our memories. Their mores, customs and standards are very different from ours and if they win rather than us that is the type thing we might be subjected to.

At what point do we stop trying to convince ourselves that we should kill each other?
Eloquently put.

Sure, eloquent.
Eloquent is good.

As long as you don't ever eloquently fall into the convenient and kitten-soft mindset that 'if we only treat these people with kindness and throw money at them, they'll stop hating us'.

Or worse yet, fall into the mindset that stupid, low-rent sheep-like people killing other people is a temporary political state, and therefore the fault of any one nation, party, or President.

Violence and murder are timeless facts of life, and there's no amount of spin-doctoring thats going to change that.

Celebrate those around you who would do you no harm.
Embrace those who love you and who have your best interests in mind.
But be ever on-guard against those who would just as soon behead you as look at you.

As long as you don't ever eloquently fall into the convenient and kitten-soft mindset that 'if we only treat these people with kindness and throw money at them, they'll stop hating us'.
Rats. I guess I should stop thinking that, then.

But be ever on-guard against those who would just as soon behead you as look at you.
I'll start a neighborhood watch.

Sure, eloquent.
Eloquent is good.

As long as you don't ever eloquently fall into the convenient and kitten-soft mindset that 'if we only treat these people with kindness and throw money at them, they'll stop hating us'.


How about "if we stop bombing them, they'll stop hating us"...or "if we stop overthrowing their governments so we can install one that will see things our way they'll stop hating us".

Do those work for you, or is that just another one of those "touchy-feely" ideas that has no merit?

How about "if we stop bombing them, they'll stop hating us"...or "if we stop overthrowing their governments so we can install one that will see things our way they'll stop hating us".

Do those work for you, or is that just another one of those "touchy-feely" ideas that has no merit?
I don't think that this will cause them to stop hating us, but it might just make us a lower priority to attack than the more local people they happen to hate.

I'll start a neighborhood watch.This reminded me of a letter Kurt Vonnegut once received:

If you knew that a man posed a danger to you—maybe he had a gun in his pocket, and you felt that he would not hesitate one moment to use it on you—what would you do?

We know Iraq poses a threat to us, to the rest of the world. Why do we sit here and pretend we are protected? That is exactly what happened with al-Qaeda and 9/11. With Iraq, though, the threat is on a much larger scale. Should we sit back, be little children that sit in fear and just wait?

Charles Perkins
Address withheld

His reply:Dear Charles,
Please, for the sake of all of us, get a shotgun, preferably a 12-gauge double-barrel, and right there in your own neighborhood blow off the heads of people, cops excepted, who may be armed.
Kurt

This reminded me of a letter Kurt Vonnegut once received:

If you knew that a man posed a danger to you—maybe he had a gun in his pocket, and you felt that he would not hesitate one moment to use it on you—what would you do?

We know Iraq poses a threat to us, to the rest of the world. Why do we sit here and pretend we are protected? That is exactly what happened with al-Qaeda and 9/11. With Iraq, though, the threat is on a much larger scale. Should we sit back, be little children that sit in fear and just wait?

Charles Perkins
Address withheld

His reply:Dear Charles,
Please, for the sake of all of us, get a shotgun, preferably a 12-gauge double-barrel, and right there in your own neighborhood blow off the heads of people, cops excepted, who may be armed.
Kurt

LOL...nice. :)

I don't think that this will cause them to stop hating us, but it might just make us a lower priority to attack than the more local people they happen to hate.

Fair enough, but I'd wager that if we stop using our military and start using our brains, and start relying on our compassion instead of our fear and our greed to direct our foreign policy, we stand to benefit far more than if we continue to throw our weight around. Sedan pointed out quite humorously that we wouldn't condone someone killing people in their neighborhood simply out of fear of some future threat, yet we somehow justify invading whole countries simply because we believe they might harm us in the future. We spend as much on our military as the rest of the world does on theirs in total dollars. What are we afraid of?

Fair enough, but I'd wager that if we stop using our military and start using our brains, and start relying on our compassion instead of our fear and our greed to direct our foreign policy, we stand to benefit far more than if we continue to throw our weight around. Sedan pointed out quite humorously that we wouldn't condone someone killing people in their neighborhood simply out of fear of some future threat, yet we somehow justify invading whole countries simply because we believe they might harm us in the future. We spend as much on our military as the rest of the world does on theirs in total dollars. What are we afraid of?

Sadly, it turns out that our greatest enemy is ...us. :(

Maybe I spoke globally when I should've been speaking locally or regionally.

Take a walk into the very worst neighborhood in your town or city.
Take that walk at midnight, and walk with confidence because surely everyone who resides there will naturally understand that you mean them no harm. (We are, after all, citizens of the world, and they will of course understand that you feel their pain and that you wish them only the best.)

Later on, when you wake up in the Emergency Room (if you wake up in the Emergency Room), and your head is busted open, you've got gunshot wounds in your chest, and your wallet has been lifted, then maybe you will get what I intended to articulate;

'if we only treat these people with kindness and throw money at them, they'll stop hating us'?
Bullshit. Some people will never possess the required number of brain cells to stop hating, and to stop committing random acts of violence.

Or worse yet, fall into the mindset that stupid, low-rent sheep-like people killing other people is a temporary political state, and therefore the fault of any one nation, party, or President?
Poverty, gang violence, petty crimes, grand theft auto, and ethnic cleansing aren't a curable disease, they are a byproduct of low intellect and even lower valuation of human life.

Violence and murder are timeless facts of life, and there's no amount of spin-doctoring thats going to change that.
Prove me wrong.

Celebrate those around you who would do you no harm.
Embrace those who love you and who have your best interests in mind.
But be ever on-guard against those who would just as soon behead you as look at you.
This is true in Bagdhad just as it is true in Wisconsin, Texas, California, Central America, or Siberia.

Stupid is as stupid does. (And by stupid, I mean radical-religiously-inspired violence. Random acts of violence. Violence perpetrated by those who lack the intellect and/or moral compass to know better. Etc, etc.)
And no President, political party, or military presence will ever change that sublime, simple truth.

Later on, when you wake up in the Emergency Room (if you wake up in the Emergency Room), and your head is busted open, you've got gunshot wounds in your chest, and your wallet has been lifted, then maybe you will get what I intended to articulate;
Has this happened to you?

'if we only treat these people with kindness and throw money at them, they'll stop hating us'?
Bullshit.
Yes, we know. Nappy already made that point. That whole post is bullshit, because you're arguing against a point made by people who do not exist. You made this up as a terrible example of a naive person, but no one above the age of thirteen believes that. Try again, Sparky, but this time try to be a little more nuanced when characterizing those among us who think that bombing foreign countries is a bad idea. We have better reasons than the insulting bullshit you insinuate we believe.

In order to have a certain segment, and not that small a segment of the Muslem world to stop hating us we would have to stop all aid to Israel, take away women's equal rights and treat them as second class citizens, worship God as Allah and say Mohammad is his prophet and Jesus is not the Son of God. Maybe some of you are willing to do that but I am not.

In order to have a certain segment, and not that small a segment of the Muslem world to stop hating us we would have to stop all aid to Israel, take away women's equal rights and treat them as second class citizens, worship God as Allah and say Mohammad is his prophet and Jesus is not the Son of God. Maybe some of you are willing to do that but I am not.
I've said numerous times that Jesus is not the son of God. Well, maybe not explicitly, but one would hope that one could infer that. Hell, I'll send Iran a signed, notarized letter saying that Jesus is not the son of God. I'll even toss in my disapproval of sending aid to Israel. The rest of it, not so much.

In order to have a certain segment, and not that small a segment of the Muslem world to stop hating us we would have to stop all aid to Israel, take away women's equal rights and treat them as second class citizens, worship God as Allah and say Mohammad is his prophet and Jesus is not the Son of God. Maybe some of you are willing to do that but I am not.
I seriously question your ability to ascertain the motives of militant Muslims in the Middle East.

...The rest of it, not so much.
and that is enough for them not resting until they see you sepperated from your neck.

never under estimate the power of faith. it can make a man a saint or a stone cold killer.

and that is enough for them not resting until they see you sepperated from your neck.
You, too.

I've said numerous times that Jesus is not the son of God. Well, maybe not explicitly, but one would hope that one could infer that. Hell, I'll send Iran a signed, notarized letter saying that Jesus is not the son of God. I'll even toss in my disapproval of sending aid to Israel. The rest of it, not so much.


It is fine if you don't believe Jesus is the Son of God. It is fine if the Muslems don't believe it. What is not fine is their wanting to force others to believe it. What is not fine is their killing people who have left the Muslem faith because they now believe Jesus is the Son of God. What is not fine is their killing Jews, another group that doesn't believe Jesus is the Son of God because they, they Jews, don't believe Mohammad was Allah's prophet.

Yes, we know. Nappy already made that point. That whole post is bullshit, because you're arguing against a point made by people who do not exist. You made this up as a terrible example of a naive person, but no one above the age of thirteen believes that. Try again, Sparky, but this time try to be a little more nuanced when characterizing those among us who think that bombing foreign countries is a bad idea. We have better reasons than the insulting bullshit you insinuate we believe.

Borg, you're all over the map with this response sir.
Can you clarify or distill exactly what it was I posted that you found insulting?
And just for me, which people don't exist?

Borg, you're all over the map with this response sir.
Can you clarify or distill exactly what it was I posted that you found insulting?
And just for me, which people don't exist?

Well, perhaps Borg was insulted by something else, but for me it's the suggestion that if you say your not happy with the way our government deals with terrorists, someone invariably says something like "Would you rather sit in a circle with them and sing Kumbaya?" It's an insulting argument, especially since no one has suggested that as a possible solution to the problem.

I'm not naive Sparky, and neither is Borg. I think we both realize that some threats require prompt and decisive military action. One such case would be after 9/11 with our invasion of Afghanistan. It was the appropriate response to a "government" that was harboring Al-Quaida. Our invasion of Iraq is a different matter entirely, IMO. In that instance, we attacked a country simply because we thought they might present a threat to us in the future, not because they presented a clear and present danger. IMO, this is completely unjustified, and serves to make the US look like a bully, and nobody likes a bully.

Truth be told, I wasn't expressing an opinion about our Government's response to anything.

I was offering some cautionary advice regarding the sentiment that 'all humans are basically good, and if we are just nice to them, they'll be nice to us back'. In my opinion, most humans are nice and reasonable, and there are in fact humans who will be led to crime (and or violence) out of desperation and poverty.

The caution that I offered though was to be on guard against the other class of violent, murderous scumbags. (And I am talking about the gang-bangers in L.A. & Kansas City in the same breath I am talking about the radical Muslim extremists who would rather cut your head off than try to reason with you.)
There are some humans who are just low-rent, murderous, and violent by nature.

Here, take a look at these mugs:
(Want to try and reason with any of them (http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?id=851)?)

Shauntay Henderson is a good example; she's ignorant, violent, and an utter waste of human skin. She'd be right at home in an insurgents training camp.

I was offering some cautionary advice regarding the sentiment that 'all humans are basically good, and if we are just nice to them, they'll be nice to us back'.

That's fine, and I agree, but as Borg pointed out, you seemed to be rebutting an argument that was not made by anyone.


In my opinion, most humans are nice and reasonable, and there are in fact humans who will be led to crime (and or violence) out of desperation and poverty.

I agree. That includes most Muslims IMO.


There are some humans who are just low-rent, murderous, and violent by nature.

Indeed, and these are individuals, or in some cases, small groups of individuals. Using the full force of our military to invade a country, destroy the government and infrastructure, to eliminate what is in effect a violent street gang is overkill in the extreme. You wouldn't use a sledgehammer to kill a fly, and our military seems to be our sledgehammer of choice when attempting to deal with "terrorism". It doesn't work, and makes us more enemies in the process.

The US Army;
The American sledgehammer of choice (http://www.army.mil/birthday/232/)since 14 June 1775.
;)

You, too.
not me. i will be the last man standing if i have to end the world to do it.

I have seen the video and I think seeing it serves a valid purpose.

I guess it follows then that it would **serve a valid purpose** to have tit for tat.

IOW, by that reckoning it would presumably serve a valid purpose for the people in Iraq to be shown the video (to name but one occurrence among hundreds) where American planes --sent there by the extreme Rightwing faction that you endlessly champion and make excuses for-- bombed a wedding party and killed numerous innocent people. Right?

I assure you; the people at that wedding party are every bit as dead as anyone in the video you're touting. And so are -by various estimates- from 300,000 to a 750,000 other Iraqis

Whenever we start to forget what type people we are fighting we should view videos like this to jog our memories.

Gee......interesting notion.

I have to ask then; do you also think that whenever the people in Iraq who oppose the U.S, "start to forget" the type of callous and greedy American warmongers they are fighting and should they begin to forget why they are dying to try and end the occupation of their country, should THEY have THEIR memories jogged by being reminded of the million or more innocent Iraqis who've been killed or displaced strictly because America decided to put in place sanctions against their country and to wage an illegal and immoral war against their country? Hmmmmmm?

Their mores, customs and standards are very different from ours and if they win rather than us that is the type thing we might be subjected to.

""the type thing we might be subjected to""..........?!?!?

LOL.

When the day comes that they *win* in Iraq --which will come about when America is forced, as it will be some time in the foreseeable future, to turn tail and haul ass out of Iraq-- do you honestly think the supposed "loss" that will signify will have the slightest effect on us here in American?!?!

Do you think that simply because that happens, the "e-ville" Muslims will instantly accomplish having the Muslim religion replace the Christian religion as the dominant superstitious belief here in America?!!?! How is Iraq going to "subject" this country or its people to anything?!?!?

:rolleyes:

There will be no such thing as a "victory" in Iraq, no matter how it plays out.

It is fine if you don't believe Jesus is the Son of God. It is fine if the Muslems don't believe it. What is not fine is their wanting to force others to believe it. What is not fine is their killing people who have left the Muslem faith because they now believe Jesus is the Son of God. What is not fine is their killing Jews, another group that doesn't believe Jesus is the Son of God because they, they Jews, don't believe Mohammad was Allah's prophet.
In actuality, their motives for killing are almost entirely political. They just put a religious coating on it.

I assure you; the people at that wedding party are every bit as dead as anyone in the video you're touting. And so are -by various estimates- from 300,000 to a 750,000 other Iraqis

I don't know if it was your intention or not, but you make it sound like we were directly responsible for all of those deaths. That's simply not true, and anyone who portrays it as such is misusing the numbers.

In actuality, their motives for killing are almost entirely political. They just put a religious coating on it.
Exactly. This is what I try to tell people like FT who hate religion and think it does so much bad... That's always how it is: the leaders tell the ignorant populace that "God" wants a war or whatever, when in reality they have political and/or economic reasons in mind. This was certainly true in the Crusades. Even the fighting of the Reformation/Counter-Reformation were more about political rights/power than actual religion. If religion didn't exist, they'd find some other excuse.

I don't know if it was your intention or not, but you make it sound like we were directly responsible for all of those deaths.

Oh, no sir. Not my intention at all.

We have to remember that the extreme Rightwing government in control of the U.S. --that people like Frogger make endless excuses and obfuscations for-- is only *directly responsible* for a portion of those hundreds of thousands of people.

For other countless of thousands of those who've been killed, the government here is only "indirectly" responsible.

Garsh, that's comforting.

This is what I try to tell people like FT who hate religion and think it does so much bad... That's always how it is: the leaders tell the ignorant populace that "God" wants a war or whatever, when in reality they have political and/or economic reasons in mind.

:rolleyes:

I assure you that you do not have to *try to* tell me that's how it is.

I am well aware of the fact that ""That's how it always is"".

That does not, however, make it any more palatable or acceptable to me.

What forever galls me is the fact that the Religious Right faction in this country will look at the religious followers in some other country doing something very unethical or inhuman or immoral or for **political or economic reasons** and have no problem condemning it............yet when the government here ---with the support of the vast majority of said rightwing religious faction-- does it, they turn a blind eye to it. Every time.

not me. i will be the last man standing if i have to end the world to do it.
Better start building that gigantic laser.

In order to have a certain segment, and not that small a segment of the Muslem world to stop hating us we would have to stop all aid to Israel, take away women's equal rights and treat them as second class citizens, worship God as Allah and say Mohammad is his prophet and Jesus is not the Son of God. Maybe some of you are willing to do that but I am not.

That's bullshit! There are indeed Muslim countries where you are free to wear what you want and pray to whomever you want.

Respond to the entire post, mesk and don't cherry pick.

Originally Posted by Frogger
In order to have a certain segment, and not that small a segment of the Muslem world to stop hating us we would have to stop all aid to Israel, take away women's equal rights and treat them as second class citizens, worship God as Allah and say Mohammad is his prophet and Jesus is not the Son of God. Maybe some of you are willing to do that but I am not.

Which Muslem countries have no problem with our aid to Israel program?
Which Muslem countries have full and equal rights for women?
Which Muslem countries allow full freedom of worship?

While some Muslem countries may be more liberal than others very, very few would meet the above criteria.

I assure you; the people at that wedding party are every bit as dead as anyone in the video you're touting. And so are -by various estimates- from 300,000 to a 750,000 other Iraqis......

I have to ask then; do you also think that whenever the people in Iraq who oppose the U.S, "start to forget" the type of callous and greedy American warmongers they are fighting and should they begin to forget why they are dying to try and end the occupation of their country, should THEY have THEIR memories jogged by being reminded of the million or more innocent Iraqis who've been killed or displaced strictly because America decided to put in place sanctions against their country and to wage an illegal and immoral war against their country?
Where the HELL do you get your "facts"? At first, it's anywhere "from 300,000 (by all widely known and accepted figures, a grossly exaggerated number) to a 750,000", and then it morphs into a "million or more", and NOW, the victims were all "innocent" and we're responsible for every casualty!?!? WTF!? You're crazier than Dop is (by a long shot, pal).

Oh, no sir. Not my intention at all.

We have to remember that the extreme Rightwing government in control of the U.S. --that people like Frogger make endless excuses and obfuscations for-- is only *directly responsible* for a portion of those hundreds of thousands of people.

For other countless of thousands of those who've been killed, the government here is only "indirectly" responsible.

Garsh, that's comforting.
So every time a dissident is decapitated, we're "indirectly" responsible. Got it.

Whatever, whack job. :rolleyes:

Where the HELL do you get your "facts"? At first, it's anywhere "from 300,000 (by all widely known and accepted figures, a grossly exaggerated number) to a 750,000", and then it morphs into a "million or more", and NOW, the victims were all "innocent" and we're responsible for every casualty!?!? WTF!? You're crazier than Dop is (by a long shot, pal).
This is a question you should ask yourself..
"Millions of Iraqis have been displaced since the beginning of the war."
Current tv.. (http://current.com/items/76342402_the_big_move_part_3)
Go ahead and deny it.. I don't expect you nor frogger to actually look for the truth..
Yes denial is a river in Egypt..
more you say.. show me more..
"The U.N. reports that there are an estimated 4 million (http://www.brusselstribunal.org/humanitarian.htm) displaced Iraqis, and growing by the day, with most of them in Jordan and Syria."

Yes denial is a river in Egypt..
How clever. :rolleyes: I haven't heard that in years.
more you say.. show me more..
"The U.N. reports that there are an estimated 4 million (http://www.brusselstribunal.org/humanitarian.htm) displaced Iraqis, and growing by the day, with most of them in Jordan and Syria."
Jim, are you still not reading the thread before you respond? Tsk-tsk.

Uhh, the fact that we weren't even talking about displaced individuals makes your entire point moot, but with that said, ....aww, fuck it, you're not worth the time.

How clever. :rolleyes: I haven't heard that in years.

Jim, are you still not reading the thread before you respond? Tsk-tsk.

Uhh, the fact that we weren't even talking about displaced individuals makes your entire point moot, but with that said, ....aww, fuck it, you're not worth the time.


I tend to agree with you, Prae.

How clever. :rolleyes: I haven't heard that in years.

Jim, are you still not reading the thread before you respond? Tsk-tsk.

Uhh, the fact that we weren't even talking about displaced individuals makes your entire point moot, but with that said, ....aww, fuck it, you're not worth the time.
and yes since you dismissed my point I guess that makes it moot.
schooled again..:worship:
but to review at first came the frog with a delusional attempt to discredit Ms Sheehan while tying her efforts to terrorist activities instead of diplomatic efforts through communication. go figure:rolleyes:
then we took a hard left w/op to a taliban boy's training/initiation beheading vid.. which brings us to my 2nd response after which you referenced some bad statistics and I attempted to bring you the info that put you back on the correct path to the truth about killed and displaced Iraqi people.
but hey I could be wrong.. not the first time.. not the last..:comphit:

I tend to agree with you, Prae.
A dunce cap best fits a pinhead..;)

Aw fuck it, and 'pinheads'?


You guys please play nice, and knock off the hatefulness, okay?

That's bullshit! There are indeed Muslim countries where you are free to wear what you want and pray to whomever you want.
sure, England...it's been at least a week since the last honour killing there.:rolleyes:

A dunce cap best fits a pinhead..;)

You're right. I hear your hat size is extra, extra, small.

Aw fuck it, and 'pinheads'?


You guys please play nice, and knock off the hatefulness, okay?
Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to be "hateful" - I simply recognized that carrying on a conversation with someone who couldn't even follow the premise of my argument was, quite literally, a waste of my time.

Did you not see his response as a classic non sequitur?

OK. Now that we recognise who the bad guys are, any practical answers on how to deal with them?

Yeah - Kill 'em.

Yeah - Kill 'em.
Not that simple-sorry.

Which Muslem countries....


Which Muslem countries....


Which Muslem countries....


While some Muslem countries....

You may have been an *educator*, but you are apparently unaware that there is no such word as *Muslem*.

(since you typed it four times, I think we can rule out a typo as the explanation)

The preferred English spelling is *Muslim*. The variant sometimes (rarely any more) used is *Moslem*...........although many Muslims find the word 'Moslem' offensive.

FYI.

The preferred English spelling is *Muslim*. The variant sometimes (rarely any more) used is *Moslem*...........although many Muslims find the word 'Moslem' offensive.

FYI.
Wow - I knew the variant "Moslem" existed, but I didn't know that many of them found it offensive. In recognition of that alone, I guess I'm gonna have to start using it more often. You know, as one of those pesky first amendment privileges us backwards Westerners are afforded via the constitution; a document that many *moslems* would use to wipe their ass, but whatever - I digress.

Oh, wait, (and to digress even further) I forgot....they don't use paper to wipe their ass; they use their bare left hand. But pork is "dirty".

Oh, wait, (to digress even further) I forgot....they don't use paper to wipe their ass; they use their bare left hand. But pork is "dirty".

But what if they're left handed, hmmm? Ever think of THAT??


Just wanted to rattle yer undies for a bit.

Ok, I'm thru now.

BYE!

But what if they're left handed, hmmm? Ever think of THAT??
I don't think it matters to 'em, either way. The point is, they wipe their asses with their bare hands, and needless to say, that's simply unfathomable in my mind. When I first heard that was a common practice, it took a lot to suppress the (bordering on projectile) vomit already in my throat.

Oh, wait, (and to digress even further) I forgot....they don't use paper to wipe their ass; they use their bare left hand. But pork is "dirty".[/QUOTE]

No...Camels are dirty & dusty.
Don't futgit where Hams come from.
Ya mean every time someone orders up a Ham Sammich,they're
bein " dirty ".
The days of Trichinosis are all but over.
Just a wild guess please... How many styles of Ham do you think
exist.? And don't say almost as many excuses Scummy has to get
stoned.

How many styles of Ham do you think
exist.? And don't say almost as many excuses Scummy has to get
stoned.

Pipe down or Prae is gonna blow chunks on yer new jammies.

those pesky first amendment privileges us backwards Westerners are afforded via the constitution; a document that many *moslems* would use to wipe their ass........

?!?!?!

How odd that you would accuse Muslims (???) of wanting to 'wipe their ass' with the United States Constitution, when of all people having a low opinion of it and wanting to see it diminished or abrogated, our very own pResident, George W. B*sh, has done far more **wiping of his ass* with it than anyone else on the planet.

_________________________

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”_________G. W. B*sh

?!?!?!

How odd that you would accuse Muslims (???) of wanting to 'wipe their ass' with the United States Constitution, when of all people having a low opinion of it and wanting to see it diminished or abrogated, our very own pResident, George W. B*sh, has done far more **wiping of his ass* with it than anyone else on the planet.

_________________________

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”_________G. W. B*sh
I KNEW you'd say that. On that note, how have your rights been cut, FT? Do you honestly see no need to tap the phones of people who call Karachi or Kabul 10 times a day? Your little, "he's dEsTRoYiNg the constitution" diatribes don't hold much water with me.

This clip, all 6 minutes (http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredemands/index.php?autostart=true&language_setting=en_1618), is worth watching.