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coberst
02-13-2008, 06:06 AM
“Classical metaphysical realism cannot be true”

Cognitive science has introduced a new way of viewing the world and our self by declaring a new paradigm which I call the embodied mind. The primary focus is upon the fact that there is no mind/body duality but that there is indeed an integrated mind and body. The mind and body are as integrated as is the heart and the body.

The human thought process is dominated by the characteristic of our integrated body. The sensorimotor neural network is an integral part of our mind. The neural network that makes movement and perception possible is the same network that processes our thinking.

The unconscious categories that guide our human response to the world are constructed in the same way as are the categories that make it possible of other animals to survive in the world. We form categories both consciously and unconsciously.

Why do we feel that both our consciously created and unconsciously created categories fit the world?

Our consciously formed concepts fit the world, more or less, because we consciously examine the world with our senses and our reason and classify that world into these concepts we call categories.

Our unconsciously formed categories are a different matter. Our unconsciously formed categories fit our world because these basic-level categories “have evolved to form at least one important class of categories that optimally fit our bodily experiences of entities and certain extremely important differences in the natural environment”.

Our perceptual system has little difficulty distinguishing between dogs and cows or rats and squirrels. Investigation of this matter makes clear that we distinguish most readily those folk versions of biological genera, i.e. those “that have evolved significantly distinct shapes so as to take advantage of different features of their environment.”

If we move down to subordinate levels of the biological hierarchy we find the distinguishing ability deteriorates quickly. It is more difficult to distinguish one species of elephant from another than from distinguishing an elephant from a buffalo. It is easy to distinguish a boat from a car but more difficult distinguishing one type of car from another.

“Consider the categories chair and car which are in the middle of the category hierarchies furniture—chair—rocking chair and vehicle—car—sports car. In the mid-1970s, Brent Berlin, Eleanor Rosch, Carolyn Mervis, and their coworkers discovered that such mid-level categories are cogently “basic”—i.e. they have a kind of cognitive priority, as contrasted with “superordinate” categories like furniture and vehicle and with “subordinate” categories like rocking chair and sports car” (Berlin et al 1974 “Principles of Tzeltal Plant Classification”; Mervis and Rosch 1981 Categorization of Natural Objects, “Annual Review of Psychology” 32: 89-115))

The differences between basic-level and non basic-level categories is based upon bodily characteristics. The basic-level categories are dependent upon gestalt perception, sensorimotor programs, and mental images. “Because of this, classical metaphysical realism cannot be true, since the properties of categories are mediated by the body rather than determined directly by a mind-independent reality”

In humans basic level categories are developed primarily based upon our bodily configuration and its interrelationship with the environment. For other animals almost all, if not all, categories are basic-level categories.

What is classical metaphysical realism?

Quotes from "Philosophy in the Flesh" by Lakoff and Johnson

Foolsworth
02-13-2008, 07:42 AM
" Metaphysics begins and ends with God. "

-- John Scotus Erigena { 810-877 }
Irish-born philosopher

afinertouch5
02-13-2008, 02:46 PM
"When he to whom one speaks does not understand, and he who speaks himself does not understand, that is metaphysics." ----Voltaire

Napsterbater
02-13-2008, 03:22 PM
Metaphysical realism is a transcendent oxymoron.

Foolsworth
02-14-2008, 08:25 AM
"When he to whom one speaks does not understand, and he who speaks himself does not understand, that is metaphysics." ----Voltaire

" Doubt is not a pleasant condition,but certainty is absurd. "

-- Voltaire { To Friedrich Wilhelm,Crown Prince of Prussia } 1770

afinertouch5
02-14-2008, 09:19 AM
"Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty thousand page menu, and no food."-Robert M. Pirsig

Foolsworth
02-14-2008, 09:30 AM
" The metaphysical insanities of Athanasius,of Loyala,and of
Calvin,are,to my understanding,mere lapses into polytheism,
differeing from paganism only by being more unintelligible. "

hint { 1820 }

afinertouch5
02-14-2008, 10:10 AM
" The metaphysical insanities of Athanasius,of Loyala,and of
Calvin,are,to my understanding,mere lapses into polytheism,
differeing from paganism only by being more unintelligible. "

hint { 1820 } Thomas Jefferson

Foolsworth
02-14-2008, 10:21 AM
Thomas Jefferson

Very Good. To Jared Sparks,also.

Now,it gets a widdle mores complicated.

In,
Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics

what are the 4 dialectical assertions of pure reason.?

Inviolable
02-14-2008, 11:09 AM
Very Good. To Jared Sparks,also.

Now,it gets a widdle mores complicated.

In,
Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics

what are the 4 dialectical assertions of pure reason.?
Is that a trick question?

Foolsworth
02-14-2008, 12:35 PM
Is that a trick question?

I will glaldy lay out Reasons Number 1 and 4.

1.) Thesis : The world has,as to time and space
a beginning {limit}.
Antithesis : The world is,as to time and space,infinite.

4.) Thesis : In the series of the world-causes there is some
necessary being.
Antithesis : There is nothing necessary in the world,
but in this series all is contingent.

Inviolable
02-14-2008, 01:52 PM
I will glaldy lay out Reasons Number 1 and 4.

1.) Thesis : The world has,as to time and space
a beginning {limit}.
Antithesis : The world is,as to time and space,infinite.

4.) Thesis : In the series of the world-causes there is some
necessary being.
Antithesis : There is nothing necessary in the world,
but in this series all is contingent.
I really need to read more Kant.

If thats where you got that from?

Foolsworth
02-14-2008, 07:47 PM
I really need to read more Kant.

If thats where you got that from?

Critique of Pure Reason {1781}

" All our knowledge begins with the senses,proceeds then to
the understanding,and ends with reason.There is nothing
higher than reason. "

Cept round hears.

coberst
02-15-2008, 07:36 AM
Descartes widened and hardened the mind/body duality more, perhaps, than any other philosopher. Ideas became internal representations; some how capable of corresponding with outside reality.

The popular modern version of the representation theory has representations shrinking to a minimum—this is “symbol-system realism”. In symbol system realism the mind-world gap has morphed into an arbitrary set of symbols that are meaning-coded by the user.

Embodied-realism is a newcomer to this menagerie of reality. “Embodied realism, rejecting the Cartesian separation, is, rather, a realism grounded in our capacity to function successfully in our physical environments. It is therefore an evolution based realism. Evolution has provided us with adapted bodies and brains that allow us to accommodate to, and even transform, our surroundings.”

Realism is fundamentally about how well we function in the world. The creature that fails this test of realism quickly becomes toast. Embodied realism more accurately displays the characteristics that the Greeks of 2500 years ago imagined the world to be.

The direct realism of the Greeks can be said to have three aspects: (1) the realist aspect that assumes the world is real and that we can function successfully in it, (2) the directness aspect that rejects the mind/body gap, and (3) the absoluteness aspect that views the world as “a unique, absolutely objective structure of which we can have an absolutely, correct, objective knowledge”.

Analytic philosophy’s symbol-system reality “accepts (3) denies (2) and claims that (1) follows from three…Embodied realism accepts (1) and denies that we have any access to (3).”

Foolsworth
02-15-2008, 07:56 AM
" If reason be a gift of Heaven,and we can say as much of
faith, Heaven has certainly made us two gifts not only
incompatible,but in direct contradiction to each other.In order
to solve the difficluty,we are compelled to say either that
Faith is a chimera or that reason is useless.

Fools have been and will always will be the majority of mankind. "

-- Denis Diderot { French philosopher,atheist }

afinertouch5
02-15-2008, 08:12 AM
"A morning-glory at my window satisfies me more then than the metaphysics of books."--Walt Whitman

Foolsworth
02-15-2008, 08:58 AM
"A morning-glory at my window satisfies me more then than the metaphysics of books."--Walt Whitman

Leaves of Grass {1855-1892}

" This is what you should do:love the earth and the sun and the
animals,despise riches,give alms to everyone that asks,stand up
for the stupid and crazy,devote your income and labor to others,
hate tyrants,argue not concerning God,have patience and indulgence
toward the people,take off your hat to nothing known or unknown
or to any man or number of men ... re-examine all you have been told
at school or church or in any book,dismiss what insults your own soul,
and your very flesh shall be a great poem. "

-- Walt(er) Whitman