www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

Oh goodie, more swiftboating!!

Veterans are only good if they support liberals.

Oh goodie, more swiftboating!!

Lol, pretty much.

Veterans are only good if they support liberals.
If you look through the page, you'll see that this is a right-wing organization.

I know, that is why it is OK to mock them.

Oh goodie, more swiftboating!!

The original swiftboaters is more like it.

McCain is one of those truly unique AssHOLES ... who the
more one learns about,the more disgusted they become.
Like Hillary,he's a little self-assertive Fraud.
Basically cradling his entire life on a POW status.
He obviously wasn't up to Naval Academy standards and
also didn't care mush about bein a skilled Naval pilot,Like
George Herbert Walker Bush.
His ambition,Like Hillary was soley aimed at The biggest of
possible prizes... Being an Admiral,and now Presdient.
People who think like that make cruddy Leaders and even more
cruddy Humans.

If you look through the page, you'll see that this is a right-wing organization.

Which actually makes it ALL the more credible.
" I wouldn't trust a Dimocrat as far as I could sling a wet Piano. "
-- Foolardi

Which actually makes it ALL the more credible.
" I wouldn't trust a Dimocrat as far as I could sling a wet Piano. "
-- Foolardi You mean credible like Fox news and their bizarre notion of reality?

I know, that is why it is OK to mock them.Calling them swiftboaters is mockery?

I thought, in your view anyway, that's a compliment.

But since you brought it up, I think Bob Dornan and his whacko friends are quite worthy of derision. I have no problem with people attacking John McCain's policies and ideas. Going after his war record is another matter entirely.

Calling them swiftboaters is mockery?

I thought, in your view anyway, that's a compliment.

But since you brought it up, I think Bob Dornan and his whacko friends are quite worthy of derision. I have no problem with people attacking John McCain's policies and ideas. Going after his war record is another matter entirely.


B1 Bob Dornan is a Great American.Outspoken,Original and
very Catholic and trustworthy.Almost to a flaw.
What John " Chipmuck " McCain ISN'T.
I Believe that " The Prince " McCain did aid & abet the Enemy
while in the Hanoi Hilton and B1 Bob was correct to take it one step
further by saying,Correctly... That if Little " Chipmuck " McCain did
take an early out {repatriate status} from the POW Hanoi Hilton,
he would have effectively Never had a Life.No Life in the Military
or as a Congressman,then Senator.Plus it would have been THE ultimate
embarassement for his Admirable upbringings.

Calling them swiftboaters is mockery?

I thought, in your view anyway, that's a compliment.

But since you brought it up, I think Bob Dornan and his whacko friends are quite worthy of derision. I have no problem with people attacking John McCain's policies and ideas. Going after his war record is another matter entirely.

Hey,it's real simple thar Bub.
If someone Like McCain or John Kerry want to do the ultimate
dance and Hang their Political Hat on their War record,then
so be it.J.F.K. was a war Hero.
Kerry was a silly,not even wounded Purple Heart recipient,who
was a War Hero Fraud.Even did the documentation for one of
his purple hearts.
McCain had good reason to force by act of Congress that POW
material or testimony be Classified and never released.
I think McCain did make Unflattering admissions about what
Americans Soldiers did during the war for Anti-American Propaganda,
even worse than Hanoi Jane Fonda.

Calling them swiftboaters is mockery?

I thought, in your view anyway, that's a compliment.

But since you brought it up, I think Bob Dornan and his whacko friends are quite worthy of derision. I have no problem with people attacking John McCain's policies and ideas. Going after his war record is another matter entirely.
Well they already used the "illegitimate black child" story, so now they have to turn to his military service. These people would go after Audie Murphy's war record if they wanted him to lose an election.

Well they already used the "illegitimate black child" story, so now they have to turn to his military service. These people would go after Audie Murphy's war record if they wanted him to lose an election.

Audie Murphy was a poor actor. It is certainly a direct result of all those medals he was forced to wear.

Going after McCain's military record will not get the results they hope for. Nothing is in dispute about his service - he did graduate from Annapolis, he did fly jets, he was a POW and eventually retired from the military. Voters won't listen much, if at all, to a group of disgruntled ex-GI's telling bad war stories.

Didn't somebody offer a million bucks if anyone could step up and prove the allegations against kerry wrong? Whatever happened with that?

Going after McCain's military record will not get the results they hope for.

John Kerry thought the same thing...

Didn't somebody offer a million bucks if anyone could step up and prove the allegations against kerry wrong? Whatever happened with that?

Boone Pickens, who made the challenge, chickened out and reneged after Senator Kerry accepted it.

Kerry's "war record" is an absolute joke. Sure, he got medals, but doesn't have the chest to pin them on.

Calling them swiftboaters is mockery?

I thought, in your view anyway, that's a compliment.

But since you brought it up, I think Bob Dornan and his whacko friends are quite worthy of derision. I have no problem with people attacking John McCain's policies and ideas. Going after his war record is another matter entirely.

I am not saying it is OK to go after his record, I am just making a broader point about how liberals only seem to like them ilitary and veterans if they are on thier side. It happens all the time on this board and in the media. That is why I usually do not listen to liberals when they are nice to vets or speak well of them, as that usually means they are trying to use them for some political purpose.

B1 Bob Dornan is a Great American.Outspoken,Original and
very Catholic and trustworthy.Almost to a flaw.
What John " Chipmuck " McCain ISN'T.
I Believe that " The Prince " McCain did aid & abet the Enemy
while in the Hanoi Hilton and B1 Bob was correct to take it one step
further by saying,Correctly... That if Little " Chipmuck " McCain did
take an early out {repatriate status} from the POW Hanoi Hilton,
he would have effectively Never had a Life.No Life in the Military
or as a Congressman,then Senator.Plus it would have been THE ultimate
embarassement for his Admirable upbringings. Are you talking about Robert Dornan the right-wing nut? The one who beat his wife and drug her around by her hair. The one that was not an ace pilot in Vietnam like he claims. The one that wrote hot checks and his excuse was that it was for a Virgin Mary grotto in his backyard. Yes, doesn't he sound very Catholic and trustworthy!:rolleyes:

Kerry's "war record" is an absolute joke. Sure, he got medals, but doesn't have the chest to pin them on.

Then nobody's medals are worth anything, since they can all be dismissed just because you don't like that person.

I am just making a broader point about how liberals only seem to like the military and veterans if they are on thier side. It happens all the time on this board and in the media.

And the reverse --rightwingers only liking the military and veterans if they are on their side--- happens all the time on this board and in the mainstream media.

And it happens about 50 times as frequently. But hey, who's counting.

And the reverse --rightwingers only liking the military and veterans if they are on their side--- happens all the time on this board and in the mainstream media.

And it happens about 50 times as frequently. But hey, who's counting.

You are absolutely right FT.

Case in point:
Kerry's "war record" is an absolute joke. Sure, he got medals, but doesn't have the chest to pin them on.

And the reverse --rightwingers only liking the military and veterans if they are on their side--- happens all the time on this board and in the mainstream media.

And it happens about 50 times as frequently. But hey, who's counting.

Show me an instance, aside from the John Kerry issue, where I have ever gone against the military.

Show me an instance, aside from the John Kerry issue, where I have ever gone against the military.

Guffaw.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

"Hey!....lets agree to not count the John Kerry thing............mmmmkay?"

ROTFL.

(leaving aside the fact that that was not in any way what I was talking about........:rolleyes:)

I am still waiting high speed.

I am not saying it is OK to go after his record, I am just making a broader point about how liberals only seem to like them ilitary and veterans if they are on thier side. It happens all the time on this board and in the media. That is why I usually do not listen to liberals when they are nice to vets or speak well of them, as that usually means they are trying to use them for some political purpose.I have no political purpose defending John McCain. I'm looking forward to my preferred candidate soundly beating him in the general election. But these slimeballs calling McCain a traitor and a coward are the lowest of the low and should be disavowed by any fair-minded American regardless of their political persuasion.

Guffaw.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

"Hey!....lets agree to not count the John Kerry thing............mmmmkay?"



ROFL!!!

As if.

I have no political purpose defending John McCain. I'm looking forward to my preferred candidate soundly beating him in the general election. But these slimeballs calling McCain a traitor and a coward are the lowest of the low..........

I tend to agree. It was despicable when they did it to Kerry, it is just as despicable to see them doing it to McCain.

Where I differ from certain hypocritical Rightwingers in this country (as evidenced on this very thread) on this type of issue is that they absolutely can not get enough of it when the target of the slander campaign is a (supposedly-- :rolleyes:) "liberal" politician like John Kerry..........it is only when the military record of one of the sacred RightWing politicians (i.e., McCain) is attacked in such a manner that they are moved to point out how wrong it is or to complain about it.

I have no political purpose defending John McCain. I'm looking forward to my preferred candidate soundly beating him in the general election. But these slimeballs calling McCain a traitor and a coward are the lowest of the low and should be disavowed by any fair-minded American regardless of their political persuasion.

Correct me if I'm wrong sedan, but wasn't your father a POW in Vietnam?

The reason I ask is that I read on some website that POW's were automatically awarded certain medals every year they were held captive...do you know if this is true?

Boone Pickens, who made the challenge, chickened out and reneged after Senator Kerry accepted it.

Speaking of Boone,I believe he had an upfront seat at the
Reagan Library Debates,next to Bill Bennett.

I tend to agree. It was despicable when they did it to Kerry, it is just as despicable to see them doing it to McCain.

Where I differ from certain hypocritical Rightwingers in this country (as evidenced on this very thread) on this type of issue is that they absolutely can not get enough of it when the target of the slander campaign is a (supposedly-- :rolleyes:) "liberal" politician like John Kerry..........it is only when the military record of one of the sacred RightWing politicians (i.e., McCain) is attacked in such a manner that they are moved to point out how wrong it is or to complain about it.

why is it so hard for these people to understand the whole John Kerry thing? John Kerry put his service first and foremost at the head of his campaign. Turns out his service was not all that it was cracked up to be. He played his card and got called on it. Military service is no bulletproof shield in politics, expecially when you are John freaking Kerry who got out of the war on a technicallity with three chicken shit wounds that didnt cost him a day of duty then went home na dthrew his medals over the fence and testified before congress against our own troops and visited N Vietnam. I know you think a few months in vietnam can cover all that up but it cant.

So, again, that is why Kerry got what he got. John Mcain is not touting his military service as the centerpiece of his campaign. If kerry never mentioned it he probably wouldnt have gotten as much scrutiny.

I mean, from the sounds of the libs back then we should have just appointed Kerry president since her served in combat. Then just today those same people are saying we are to militarized as a country. WTF?

why is it so hard for these people to understand the whole John Kerry thing?

Our difference of opinion on what happened with the smearing of John Kerry is that a great deal of it was lies. You apparently swallowed every lie that was concocted about him. I did not.

John Kerry put his service first and foremost at the head of his campaign.

In your opinion.

Turns out his service was not all that it was cracked up to be. He played his card and got called on it. Military service is no bulletproof shield in politics, expecially when you are John freaking Kerry who got out of the war on a technicallity with three chicken shit wounds that didnt cost him a day of duty then went home na dthrew his medals over the fence and testified before congress against our own troops and visited N Vietnam. I know you think a few months in vietnam can cover all that up but it cant.

Half of what you're recounting in that diatribe was never demonstrated to be true, and the part that was accurate (his testifying before Congress, his visiting N Vietnam) does not reflect badly on Kerry at all in my opinion. He went before Congress and told the truth. I know how much the despicable Rightwing faction in this country despises that he would do such a thing, but I for one thought it was admirable.

John Mcain is not touting his military service as the centerpiece of his campaign. If kerry never mentioned it he probably wouldnt have gotten as much scrutiny.

I call bullshit on both counts. You and I both know full well that McCain would have never been elected as assistant dogcatcher, much less to high political office, if not for the fact that he was riding the coattails of his military service. It has worked for many a politician for over 200 years. Just another demonstration of how overtly militaristic this country is.


I mean, from the sounds of the libs back then we should have just appointed Kerry president since her served in combat. Then just today those same people are saying we are to militarized as a country. WTF?

I do not know of a single 'liberal' who thought that Kerry should have (in the fashion of GWB*sh) simply been appointed as president.

Personally, I didn't even vote for or support him.

I just think it very wrong for a bunch of goddamned Rightwing liars to assemble a little band of operatives (i.e., the SwiftBoaters) and hire them to wage a campaign of character assassination against him.

And it's exactly as wrong for them to do it --even though I thoroughly despise the man and his politics-- to John McCain.

Correct me if I'm wrong sedan, but wasn't your father a POW in Vietnam?Yes.The reason I ask is that I read on some website that POW's were automatically awarded certain medals every year they were held captive...do you know if this is true?I don't think it is. The returning POW's were awarded a lot of medals, and you can make the argument that some of these awards were political as it made for great PR at the time. But I don't recall my dad ever receiving more than two of any specific medal.

I'll ask him and get back to you.

May I ask a question:

Why is a politicans military record important in his political career?

I dont see how good,or how bad a serviceman was 40 years ago has
anything to do with how he could run the nation.

Once again,the obsession with military matters comes into play.
You guys are hard to figure out at times :)

May I ask a question:

Why is a politicans military record important in his political career?

I dont see how good,or how bad a serviceman was 40 years ago has
anything to do with how he could run the nation.

Once again,the obsession with military matters comes into play.
You guys are hard to figure out at times :) Well I don't think that a politicians military record is all that important. I mean look at our current president and his impressive military record! :rolleyes:

May I ask a question:

Why is a politicans military record important in his political career?

I dont see how good,or how bad a serviceman was 40 years ago has
anything to do with how he could run the nation.

Once again,the obsession with military matters comes into play.
You guys are hard to figure out at times :)

Military service builds character, Paul. And it's not only politics where service to ones country is deemed important... most high-level corporate execs also come from a military background. You call it obsession... we call it tradition. Military service is honored in this country and a persons service record can either be an asset or a liability for the duration of their entire life. I've never met a person who said they regret serving in the military. But I've sure met alot who say they should've signed up... in hindsight.

:flowers:
SMW

May I ask a question:

Why is a politicans military record important in his political career?

I dont see how good,or how bad a serviceman was 40 years ago has
anything to do with how he could run the nation.

Once again,the obsession with military matters comes into play.
You guys are hard to figure out at times :)

It's part & parcel of the Club.
Or Club mentality.
If one's a Vet than then their part of the Veterans Club.
A Vietnam vet,then that club.
A POW,then likewise.
Veterans are a strange and almost bulletproof bunch.
I used to sit and talk Politics with an older Gentleman who
Retired with THE highest rank allowed an enlisted man.
He talked like a General.Looked like a General more than anything else.
Could and would talk for hours about all the little secretive and
clandestine stuff he encountered around the world as a Flight
Engineer.He was offered an Officers Training Course but turned it down.
Was a Command Sargeant Major.There was a Fellow who he intriduced
me to who was a Decorated Vietnam/Korean War Vet.He ran a
Veterans club and wore all knids of veteran patches and had his fancy
truck all decorated also.Many Vietnam Vets like to dress up in their
Decorations with some leather tossed in.
That Veterans Club Guy couldn't sit in a McDonalds for more than
5 minutes w/o some Vet walkin up to him and shakin his hand and
startin up a conversation.
Dig Daddio's ?

So, this 'old boys club' could/is in fact be a major voting block in America.

I would think they would appeal to the Republican side of the fence, as they always go on about more money for the military.

A major part of the cycle of militarism in America.

So, this 'old boys club' could/is in fact be a major voting block in America.

I would think they would appeal to the Republican side of the fence, as they always go on about more money for the military.

A major part of the cycle of militarism in America.

Absolutely a major voting block in America, Paul... and there are lots of 'old gals' in that 'old boys club' as well.

;)

So, this 'old boys club' could/is in fact be a major voting block in America.

I would think they would appeal to the Republican side of the fence, as they always go on about more money for the military.

A major part of the cycle of militarism in America.

Well,I particularly used to ask any vet about John Kerry when he
was up for Pres in '04.There were pros & cons as to Kerry as a
true War hero.Those who thought he was were Adamently insistent,
to the point of being ready to fisticuff sayin he was a decorated
war hero.Then there were those who would never forgive him for
Hook'n with Fonda and the Anti-War { Peacknik } crowd.
The one GIVEN was that Vet's and particularly Vietnam vets,
with some Korean War { older and even more sure of themselves}
also,is that Their Service in the Military Counts,to almost the
exclusion of everything else.Vets are a real hearty bunch.
They tend to enjoy relieving their Service and have memories better than
most Jumbo's.

Absolutely a major voting block in America, Paul... and there are lots of 'old gals' in that 'old boys club' as well.

;)

Goot tink yuz ain't dat Ole,eh Sis.?
And BTW... Are you speakin from firsthand experience.?

Goot tink yuz ain't dat Ole,eh Sis.?
And BTW... Are you speakin from firsthand experience.?

Yeah, it's a goot tink, OK.

I'm speakin from firsthand experience of having been a bartender at the local AmVets. Got a few medals for that tour of duty myself.

;)
SMW

Yeah, it's a goot tink, OK.

I'm speakin from firsthand experience of having been a bartender at the local AmVets. Got a few medals for that tour of duty myself.

;)
SMW

Ok...Danny.
What is a typical AmVet Cocktail.?
And don't say a - Anna Nicole Special w/o an umbrella -.

Ok...Danny.
What is a typical AmVet Cocktail.?
And don't say a - Anna Nicole Special w/o an umbrella -.

Budweiser, longneck. Easiest bartender gig I ever had.

:banana:

Yuck...Budweiser is headache beer.

Yuck...Budweiser is headache beer.

No,That was Billy Beer,whilst it lasted.

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]Budweiser, longneck. Easiest bartender gig I ever had.

So,what udder Bar Maid stories can we expect.?
I wanna hear the one about that almost winning Lotto ticket.
Just in time Fer V-Day.

... most high-level corporate execs also come from a military background.This may be true in the defense industries but I seriously doubt it applies across the board.

Most corporate executives take the MBA route to high-level positions.

The reason I ask is that I read on some website that POW's were automatically awarded certain medals every year they were held captive...do you know if this is true?Not true, my earlier answer was correct.

I had an interesting talk with my dad about these "Vietnam Veterans against John McCain". He emphasized that McCain is very well thought of by his fellow ex-POW's and that anyone who thinks his service was in any way dishonorable needs their head examined. Referring to McCain's refusal of an early release he said "You can't imagine how badly all of us wanted to get out of that place. McCain said no. That's honor." As for aiding and abetting the North Vietnamese I asked him how many prisoners signed war crimes confessions. His reply, "100 per cent". Many prisoners (himself included) were interviewed for propaganda films. Any statements made in those films were coerced.

As for Bob Dornan, "He's an idiot".

My dad opposes McCain politically (he thinks McCain is far too liberal) but respects him greatly as a man. Anent this foolishness, that's good enough for me.

Not true, my earlier answer was correct.

I had an interesting talk with my dad about these "Vietnam Veterans against John McCain". He emphasized that McCain is very well thought of by his fellow ex-POW's and that anyone who thinks his service was in any way dishonorable needs their head examined. Referring to McCain's refusal of an early release he said "You can't imagine how badly all of us wanted to get out of that place. McCain said no. That's honor." As for aiding and abetting the North Vietnamese I asked him how many prisoners signed war crimes confessions. His reply, "100 per cent". Many prisoners (himself included) were interviewed for propaganda films. Any statements made in those films were coerced.

As for Bob Dornan, "He's an idiot".

My dad opposes McCain politically (he thinks McCain is far too liberal) but respects him greatly as a man. Anent this foolishness, that's good enough for me.

Thanks for checking and getting back, sedan. And please extend my thanks to your father. :)

My dad opposes McCain politically (he thinks McCain is far too liberal) .......+

I am being quite honest when I say it is beyond my comprehension how any human being could think that way.

I go now to begin a thread demonstrating just how far on the other side of the spectrum John McCain is from anything having to do with an actual "liberal" viewpoint or ideology.

+

I am being quite honest when I say it is beyond my comprehension how any human being could think that way.

I go now to begin a thread demonstrating just how far on the other side of the spectrum John McCain is from anything having to do with an actual "liberal" viewpoint or ideology.Ha ha!! Well, that's my dad.

Needless to say, we seldom agree on anything political. :)

Freethinker is so far left he thinks Hugo Chavez is a stooge for the conservafascist oil companys.

Freethinker is so far left he thinks Hugo Chavez is a stooge for the conservafascist oil companys.

The opposite actually.

Mr. Chavez is a huge thorn in the side of the scummy ConservaFascists (and people in the business of Big Oil) who run America.