We captured Saddam...now what?

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First he was kicked out of his palaces, now he's been captured. It is a victory for the citizens of Iraq. Now the people of Iraq will be able to move forward without fear of the Iraqi idiot again coming into power.

Excellent news. The guy deserves whatever he's got coming. And now the Iraqi citizens can live without fear.

This is amazing news, i am glad that he was finally caught, now like Borg said the Iraqi people can live without fear.

I got that good feeling inside when I saw the Iraqi people dancing in the streets this morning. It was the same feeling I had when I watched the U.S. troops help the Iraqi people rip down the statue of Suddam. I think we should hold him until Iraq has a government in place and let them put Suddam on trial.

In a hole, under the basement, probably a similar existence to what OBL is experiencing. My hope for OBL is that his dwelling be crushed when a series of bunker buster bombs obliterate it.

oh, what a day to be an american... or an iraqi, for that matter.

To all those who said we were failing in Iraq, nothing was going good, and we had no business being there in the first place...

.....well, they'll clean the egg off their faces sooner or later...

This is a huge victory for not only the Iraqi people and the U.S., but for the world as a whole. One less threat to humanity for us and the world to deal with. Likewise, It's a victory for the Bush Admin. I see a closer race for president in '04 (keeping in mind that anything can still happen between december '03 and november '04). However, that's not so much a concern right now. What's important is that the Iraqi people now get a true taste of freedom...and I bet it never tasted so good!

It's nice to see some results. The question for me is whether this takes the breath out of the insurgency.

It is awsome to see Saddam in custody but I hope that peaple dont start to think that it is over now. Im sure Saddam was doing his part to kill as many coalition soldiers as he could aford, but there are plenty of other groups in the region that will go on attacking the troops. If you want to kill Americans you dont have to worry about sneaking into the counrty you can just sneak into Iraq, for now.

We got Saddam, so why can’t we catch OBL? I wonder if they’ll find those WMDs now.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
We got Saddam, so why can’t we catch OBL? I wonder if they’ll find those WMDs now.

like I said in another post, OBL is probly dead and decomposing in some cave or something....so we'll just let him rot there. I don't think that the capture of saddam will make finding WMD's any easier. Keep in mind he's decieved millions for several decades.

With the Iraqi idiot in custody, rather than perched on his throne, the interrorgators will have the opportunity to bring their techniques to play in extracting information from him. Sleep deprevation, constant light, constant loud music, along with some choice chemicals will get plenty from him. After a time, they can hand him over to the Iraqi courts where he may be lucky enough to enjoy a similar punishment that Benito Mussolini received from the Italian citizenry during World War II.

how about that photo of him where he's all grimy and has that really long beard? i can't help thinking it's a bit surreal. this is the man we went to war against, he's one of the "evildoers" and he's commited terrible crimes against humanity. yet he looks like some homeless guy they just pulled off the street. he looks so old, and so tired, it's hard to believe that he was so influential...

people like osama and saddam, who we are constantly told to fear and hate, and people from our country's history, like george washington and abraham lincoln, who we are constantly told to respect, and almost worship in a way. it's like when people become very important, they are seen in the public eye as charicatures and not real people in the way that we are. that's why it's so surreal when a photo like that one of saddam comes out, because it's so shocking to see this person who has become more of an idea of fear and terror looking so ragged and not very powerful at all.

Originally posted by es347fan
Sleep deprevation, constant light, constant loud music, along with some choice chemicals will get plenty from him. After a time, they can hand him over to the Iraqi courts where he may be lucky enough to enjoy a similar punishment that Benito Mussolini received from the Italian citizenry during World War II.

I thought torture was not used by the USA.

And do not pretend that sleep deprevation is not torture, as a father of a 6 month girl with a cold I KNOW it is.

Originally posted by astrapol2
I thought torture was not used by the USA.

And do not pretend that sleep deprevation is not torture, as a father of a 6 month girl with a cold I KNOW it is.

It's not. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is prohibited under our constitution. however, I believe there are ways around this restriction for treatment of non-citizens outside the U.S.

"however, I believe there are ways around this restriction for treatment of non-citizens outside the U.S."

if there are there should not be. torture is a slippery slope. first you start with people like saddam, then next comes people whose crimes are a little less serious, and then maybe we can make a few exceptions here or there to the 'cruel and unusual punishment' law in the US, and before you know it....

Originally posted by sputnik
"however, I believe there are ways around this restriction for treatment of non-citizens outside the U.S."

if there are there should not be. torture is a slippery slope. first you start with people like saddam, then next comes people whose crimes are a little less serious, and then maybe we can make a few exceptions here or there to the 'cruel and unusual punishment' law in the US, and before you know it....

Eh. I wish we did have cruel and unusual punishment....well, at least cruel punishment. Maybe then people wouldn't take committing a crime in this country so lightly and we wouldn't have to pour tax money into a bloated prison and community supervision system.

I somewhat agree with you Leper. Telling a murderer "You killed someone, so we are going to put you in a place where you will receive three meals a day, cable TV, internet connection, exercise equipment and if your married special time with your spouse." just isn't the message I want to send to a menace to the society I live in. I don't believe in cruelty but things are too easy for prisoners and I'm paying for it. :mad:

Originally posted by biochemgirl
[B things are too easy for prisoners and I'm paying for it. [/B]

You're paying for it. Yes. And so what ? Justice has a cost. To live in a country where there are some rules and some people to enforce them has a cost. If you do not want to pay so much for prisons, maybe you should be wondering why there are so many people in jail in the USA.
1% of the population. That is a world record.

And about prison being a too nice place - it should be the deprivation of liberty, nothing more and nothing less.
Imagine being locked for month or years and losing all control upon your life during this time. Is it a nic time ?

Originally posted by astrapol2
Justice has a cost. To live in a country where there are some rules and some people to enforce them has a cost.

Your right, justice does have a cost and that cost should pay for the enforcers of the law and minimal living expense of the prisoner. I think one reason there are so many people in the prison system in the US is because 1) lack of education 2) lack of motivation to better themselves 3) I believe most have a better life (meaning more luxuries) in prison than on the streets where they live.

I'm against the death penalty for anyone, but if anyone deserved it Hussein does.

Originally posted by biochemgirl
I believe most have a better life (meaning more luxuries) in prison than on the streets where they live.

Do you believe that the majority of prisoners come from the streets ?

Sleep deprivation, hooding & being made to stand in one place is not considered torture under the Geneva convention - but in reality it is torture. Anybody would consider that torture.

Without going to the lengths of hanging him in a shower & attaching a car battery to his testicles - they should do whatever they need to do to get info out of him.

If he gets a bit roughed over & innocent lives end up being saved then I say slap him around until he talks like a baby.

I guess they could pump him with truth drugs. Maybe they should feed him 10 hits of acid and lock him back in the hole he was in for a few days, then start questioning him.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Do you believe that the majority of prisoners come from the streets ?

Yes, I do. According to the Department of Justice Criminal Victimization Statistical Report, over 75% of reported crime is theft. This includes home, motor and personal both violent and non-violent. Thieves covet. They want what they don't have or cannot afford, so they steal it. I do think most not all criminals are those that are both socially and economically less fortunate.

We should not even have a life sentence, it should be the death penalty. We give prisoners better treatment than a huge number of people living in the US. Hell, they shouldn't give them TV or entertainment. It should be only things which they can use to learn and better themselves.

As for torture; cruel and unusual punishment. We should follow the spirit of the law, the purpose of the law. We should not go looking for loopholes in the wording so that this once we can torture Saddam to make everyone feel happy. If we do it once, it will happen again and again with less and less serious crimes.

Not only that, but do you think that something good will come of us torturing Saddam? Information? His life story? Just because we're curious what he did?

Kill the murderers so you can be just as bad as they are. People seem to have a problem, they like to stoop to others levels.

Most prisoners come from the streets, and there is also a very large percentage of prisoners who are there for a couple of months to a few years just because they got caught in their house with a bong in their hand.

"Sleep deprevation, constant light, constant loud music, along with some choice chemicals will get plenty from him. "

If this is all they do to him he is a lucky man. 80% of the other countries on the planet would do worse.

Originally posted by bama4256
I'm against the death penalty for anyone, but if anyone deserved it Hussein does.

im against it for everyone. it's a slippery slope once you start making exceptions like that.

Rules, regulations, guidelines, and laws... ESPECIALLY laws...

So MANY laws in fact, that there really oughtta be a law!


And penalties these days are increasingly harsh for even minor offenses... Some of you good folks on this board MIGHT be surprised ta find out... yer felons!

That sounds like a joke... It's not!

So be careful just how TUFF the punishment ya wish on prisoners... Some day ya may git yer wish...