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sedan
02-07-2008, 08:10 PM
Sharia law in UK ' unavoidable'

Last Modified: 07 Feb 2008
Source: ITN

The adoption of some aspects of Islamic sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.

Dr Rowan Williams said there was a place for finding a "constructive accommodation" in areas such as marriage - allowing Muslim women to avoid western divorce proceedings.

Other religions enjoyed such tolerance of their own laws, he pointed out, but stressed that it could never be allowed to take precedence over an individual's rights as a citizen.

He said it would also require a change in perception of what sharia involved beyond the "inhumanity" of extreme punishments and attitudes to women seen in some Islamic states.

Dr Williams said: "It seems unavoidable and, as a matter of fact, certain conditions of sharia are already recognised in our society and under our law, so it is not as if we are bringing in an alien and rival system.

"We already have in this country a number of situations in which the internal law of religious communities is recognised by the law of the land as justifying conscientious objections in certain circumstances."

He added: "There is a place for finding what would be a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law as we already do with aspects of other kinds of religious law.

"It would be quite wrong to say that we could ever license a system of law for some community which gave people no right of appeal, no way of exercising the rights that are guaranteed to them as citizens in general.

"But there are ways of looking at marital disputes, for example, which provide an alternative to the divorce courts as we understand them.

"In some cultural and religious settings they would seem more appropriate."

He said people needed to look at Islamic law "with a clear eye and not imagine, either, that we know exactly what we mean by sharia and just associate it with ... Saudi Arabia, or whatever.

"Nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that has sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states: the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women."

There were questions about how it interacted with human rights, he said.

"But I do not think we should instantly spring to the conclusion that the whole of that world of jurisprudence and practice is somehow monstrously incompatible with human rights just because it doesn't immediately fit with how we understand it."

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/sharia+law+in+uk++unavoidable/1509947

es347fan
02-08-2008, 04:05 AM
Just what aspects of Muslim law might he be willing to accomodate? It seems to be very much in conflict with Western law.

Vilepagan
02-08-2008, 06:00 AM
Just what aspects of Muslim law might he be willing to accomodate? It seems to be very much in conflict with Western law.

"But there are ways of looking at marital disputes, for example, which provide an alternative to the divorce courts as we understand them."

For example...

Travh20
02-08-2008, 10:17 AM
yes, like if you catch your wife cheating on you instead of divorcing her you can stone her to death.

DarkFantasy96
02-08-2008, 12:50 PM
yes, like if you catch your wife cheating on you instead of divorcing her you can stone her to death.
It clearly said in the article that that kind of thing would not be considered. :rolleyes:

I don't see a problem with this, honestly. It said that the more sexist and extreme laws would not be adopted.

es347fan
02-08-2008, 02:41 PM
When thinking of Islamic law, nothing good comes to mind. If this style of barbaric and savage (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html) behavior toward women is somehow accepted or supported, then it has no place in an otherwise civilized society.

waldo
02-08-2008, 02:52 PM
This was an issue in Ontario recently. Some islamics were pimping for sharia. Part of their argument was religious freedom.:rolleyes: Part of it was that Orthodox jews had their own courts, why not muslims.
The upshot, no sharia and the abolishment of all other types of presiding courts based on religion. Civil law is the law of the land. As it should be.
Suffice to say the arch-bishop has it backwards.

storm
02-10-2008, 04:24 AM
What's wrong with the law's that we already have??

Jester
02-10-2008, 04:57 AM
When thinking of Islamic law, nothing good comes to mind. If this style of barbaric and savage (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html) behavior toward women is somehow accepted or supported, then it has no place in an otherwise civilized society.
I think the idea is that certain aspects of Sharia would be adopted as long as they don't violate already-establsihed laws. It's still a horrible idea though. It essentially means that certain people will have privileges that others don't, and that this will be based on person's religious belief. That itself is unacceptable, and is specifically why the government should not be recognizing laws based on religion.

paulc
02-10-2008, 03:12 PM
It shows that religious leaders should stick to religion.
It is illegal to commit bigomy in UK, Muslims are allowed four wives.
One law for one-one law for everyone else.

primitive man
02-11-2008, 03:26 PM
When thinking of Islamic law, nothing good comes to mind. If this style of barbaric and savage (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html) behavior toward women is somehow accepted or supported, then it has no place in an otherwise civilized society.


when islamic women pull their heads out of their collective arses.

let islamics do what they do without destroying modern society values. as in freedom and equality for everyone. if they step over the bounds, jail or deport his ass.

4 wives? i wonder if their suddenly is a shift in numbers who claim islam?

es347fan
02-12-2008, 05:27 AM
Something like this (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/12/saudi.valentine/index.html) would be tolerated like a fart in church.
Can anyone imagine the reaction in the U.S. to such a ruling?

paulc
02-12-2008, 07:35 AM
Dont know-might be doing a lot of guys a favour.

waldo
02-12-2008, 08:58 AM
I think the idea is that certain aspects of Sharia would be adopted as long as they don't violate already-establsihed laws.
Then it's already in the law and doesn't need to be adopted.

primitive man
02-12-2008, 09:13 AM
can you imagine islamic women who taste real freedom end up doing?
probably love and sex crased nymphomaniacs.
wonder how many western men just raised their eyebrows?

es347fan
02-12-2008, 10:00 AM
What happens when those Islamic women who taste real freedom decide to exact revenge upon the Islamic men who've kept them down for so many centuries? The old phrase "... black man's rage ..." might seem awfully kind & gentle by comparison.

Travh20
02-12-2008, 04:20 PM
why not say certain poions of the nazi law, or apathied law could be considered?