President Bush announced his 2009 budget on Monday, once again calling for opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling by 2010. And yesterday the Bush administration started selling off prime polar bear habitat in Alaska for oil drilling - despite mounting evidence that its own scientists have questioned the legality and environmental impact of these sales.

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I signed it. I sign a lot of these... Not sure how much good it does, but it can't hurt.

I thought a protected area was-well-protected.

I thought a protected area was-well-protected.
it is until it becomes unprotected then it's...well...unprotected.

anyways! better get to it before the Chinese do! they're already drilling off the coast of FL:rant:

anyways! better get to it before the Chinese do! they're already drilling off the coast of FL:rant:
and their looking for what exactly.................

and their looking for what exactly.................
the oil that Americans aren't allowed to drill for.:rolleyes:

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/08/Worldandnation/Cuba_seeks_oil_near_K.shtml

Ah yes-the Cuba scenario.

Well, I guess if the powers that be over the last 50 years had climbed down off their high horse and started treating Cuba like they treat all other Commie nations, there wouldnt be such a problem.

I hope they drill. I hope we get lots of oil.

Ah yes-the Cuba scenario.

Well, I guess if the powers that be over the last 50 years had climbed down off their high horse and started treating Cuba like they treat all other Commie nations, there wouldnt be such a problem.

I find the contrast in the way we treat Cuba and China very illogical.

I find the contrast in the way we treat Cuba and China very illogical.

Congrats, get on with it.

I signed it. I sign a lot of these... Not sure how much good it does, but it can't hurt.
I've signed a handful.. worth a try I guess..

There is another if you are getting emails from Care2 but it's a fakeout.
That's the problem where anybody from a company or with a political agenda can set up a petition and people sign it thinking it's a good thing when it's not.:bombout:

This one pushes America's Climate Security Act and that is a misnomer.
If you were to Google it the first thing that sends up a red flag is the sponsor.
LIBERMAN!
Lieberman doesn't do anything for the good of the country. He is as corrupted as Bush and Cheney.
This bill would be a stepping stone for more nuclear power which equals more nuclear waste and then they would try to open yucca mtn again.
The bill gives earmarks and subsidies for nuclear and doesn't even come close to addressing the carbon emissions control we need.
Billion to nuclear at a time when we need to focus on nuclear free and carbon free.
This is Lieberman's lobbyist buddies at work. Anything he gets behind should watched carefully.
more info @ friends of the earth (http://www.foe.org/)

If I can find one that says drill in the ANWAR I will sign it.

The same people who say we shouldn't be dependent on foreign oil don't want us to drill for our own oil.

Drill, drill, drill. Pump that black gold.

Maybe the US car giants should follow this new car coming on the Indian market soon,the one that drives on compressed air.

With their expertise and financial muscle,no doubt they could improve it considerably.

When you say we can't drillin the arctic you are saying we can not drill anyhwere anymore. I mean, if we cant drill ina frozen wasteland thousands of miles form civilization, how could we drill anywhere else?
I understand the argument that we need to start trying to find other sources of energy, and I agree, but even if we started now it will be a while before it is widespread enough to shut down all the wells.

As it stands saying we cant drill but crying about dependence on foreign oil is a bunch of crap. If you want off foreign oil we need to start producing our own.

Didnt the Exxon Valdez kill the oil industry up north.

The area in question represents only 8% of the ANWR and is important to only a single herd, the Porcupine Herd of caribou. The area could contain up to 16 billion barrels of oil. That would almost double the amount of oil found domestically.

The idea is to wean us off oil entirely. What good is a few billion more barrels going to do? The only good that's going to accomplish is a slight, short-lived uptick in a stock price, somewhere. Most of the oil will just get sold overseas anyway.

One of the stipulations should be that the oil is only for domestic use and may not be sold or refined out of the country.

One of the stipulations should be that the oil is only for domestic use and may not be sold or refined out of the country.
That's a good start...

If only 8% of the ANWR would be used for drilling I don't really see the problem. Yes, some wildlife will be affected, but wildlife is affected closer to home every time they build a housing development or pave over a field to make a parking lot for a new Wal-Mart, and I don't generally complain about those things...

I'm just not sure about this. We NEED to be weaned off of oil entirely, and I know that won't happen until prices reach an extreme high or supplies reach and extreme low. And I do mean very extreme. I wish more people would be willing to do something about it before it gets to that point.

If I can find one that says drill in the ANWAR I will sign it.

The same people who say we shouldn't be dependent on foreign oil don't want us to drill for our own oil.

Drill, drill, drill. Pump that black gold.
So I guess you're not that concerned about environmental impact, just getting more oil?
Or maybe you are being facetious..

I find the contrast in the way we treat Cuba and China very illogical.
Our foreign policy seems very hypocritical.
I have no idea why the embargo against Cuba is still going.
I get it, because of communism or they just don't like Castro but there are alot of world leaders in the political theater that don't follow the feigned ideology our leaders claim to represent.
We trade with communist China but not Cuba. Go figure.:confused:
Sometimes it seems like our foreign policy dictates our trade policy or vice versa.

When you say we can't drillin the arctic you are saying we can not drill anyhwere anymore. I mean, if we cant drill ina frozen wasteland thousands of miles form civilization, how could we drill anywhere else?
I understand the argument that we need to start trying to find other sources of energy, and I agree, but even if we started now it will be a while before it is widespread enough to shut down all the wells.

As it stands saying we cant drill but crying about dependence on foreign oil is a bunch of crap. If you want off foreign oil we need to start producing our own.

Again color me confused..:confused:
In a previous post relating to the trash island in floating in the ocean you seemed to grasp the impact. Yet here you don't seem to get why we should NOT screw up this "frozen wasteland" or be concerned about the effect this will have on migrating animals like the caribou or just taking chances with one of the last pristine environments that support polar bears. Or at least until it melts and they drown.

If only 8% of the ANWR would be used for drilling I don't really see the problem...Yes, some wildlife will be affected
Arrrggg!

We NEED to be weaned off of oil entirely
Exactamundo..

and btw..I was trying to get a response from the prev page.

"There is another, if you are getting emails from Care2 but it's a fakeout."
Are you getting these action alerts or were you already aware who is the sponsor of America's Climate Security Act?

The idea is to wean us off oil entirely. What good is a few billion more barrels going to do? The only good that's going to accomplish is a slight, short-lived uptick in a stock price, somewhere. Most of the oil will just get sold overseas anyway.

Thank you..
I'm glad to see not everyone is missing the point..the BIG picture..
I read some of these responses and I just shake my head in bewilderment..

Jesus Christ Jimbo, you know how to post.

Anyway, it would cost that much in legal fees,take that long going thru the courts,
wouldnt it simply be cheaper to invade Canada and take their oil.

That way you could keep Alaska in pristine condition, and have some fun at the same time.

Arrrggg!

Exactamundo..

and btw..I was trying to get a response from the prev page.

"There is another, if you are getting emails from Care2 but it's a fakeout."
Are you getting these action alerts or were you already aware who is the sponsor of America's Climate Security Act?
I have no clue what you're talking about. I get emails from BioGems and then one other environmental protection thingy... I forget which one though. What is "Care2"?

wouldnt it simply be cheaper to invade Canada and take their oil.

That way you could keep Alaska in pristine condition, and have some fun at the same time.
Now there's an idea. We could protect the caribou and get rid of some Canadians while we're at it. :lolhit:

Jesus Christ Jimbo, you know how to post.

Anyway, it would cost that much in legal fees,take that long going thru the courts,
wouldnt it simply be cheaper to invade Canada and take their oil.

That way you could keep Alaska in pristine condition, and have some fun at the same time.
We get most of our oil from Canada and we didn't even have to start a freakin' war.:woohoo:

I have no clue what you're talking about. I get emails from BioGems and then one other environmental protection thingy... I forget which one though. What is "Care2"?
I got one from Care2 (http://www.care2.com/)about the polar bears and another about hunting wolves but the one that had me going was one sponsored by Lieberman and has over 9k signatures. Lieberman's lobbyists pulling strings for nuclear power.
They have a bunch petitions for all kinds of stuff but this one(America's Climate Security Act) is bogus.

I got one from Care2 (http://www.care2.com/)about the polar bears and another about hunting wolves but the one that had me going was one sponsored by Lieberman and has over 9k signatures. Lieberman's lobbyists pulling strings for nuclear power.
They have a bunch petitions for all kinds of stuff but this one(America's Climate Security Act) is bogus.
Hmm. Ok. No America's Climate Security Act for me! :p

So I guess you're not that concerned about environmental impact, just getting more oil?
Or maybe you are being facetious..

Read DarkFantasy's post. The environmental impact will be minimal. They aren't going to pave over the entire ANWR or kill off all the wildlife. They propose exploratory drilling in 8% of the refuge. One caribou herd, the Porcupine Herd will have to either live with the drilling or find another place to graze.

I am very concerned about getting more oil. We are far to dependent on foreign oil. Just last week Chavez threatened to stop the sale of oil to the United States. That could cripple our industry and threaten our national defense.

While I am in favor of finding alternative energy sources that isn't going to happen in the near future and we should have a source of domestic oil until it does so that we are not at the mercy of foreign countries.

Isnt this just putting off the 'alternatives' to oil search.

What do you do when the 8% starts running out, go look an extension so the 20% can be extracted.

America needs oil,everybody needs oil,America is where an alternative fuel being developed has the best chance of being found,if the oil companies allowed it to happen.

Paul,

Phere should be incentives for investigating, developing or using alternative energy sources. Tax credits should be given to corporations and individuals using solar panels, windmills, etc.. Companies and individuals using alternative energy sources should be given subsidies. There should be more information afforded people about alternative energy sources.


What you don't do is cut off the supply of oil in order to force people to use alternative energy. That is like saying, I want you to eat healthy food and even though we haven't really grown enough healthy food yet I am going to see that you don't get any unhealthy food ifrom now on in an effort to force you to grow healthy food.

Sure we should wean ourselves from our dependence on oil but until we have the alternative energy sources and the infrastructure necessary for their effective use we still need oil.

Paul,

Phere should be incentives for investigating, developing or using alternative energy sources. Tax credits should be given to corporations and individuals using solar panels, windmills, etc.. Companies and individuals using alternative energy sources should be given subsidies. There should be more information afforded people about alternative energy sources.


What you don't do is cut off the supply of oil in order to force people to use alternative energy. That is like saying, I want you to eat healthy food and even though we haven't really grown enough healthy food yet I am going to see that you don't get any unhealthy food ifrom now on in an effort to force you to grow healthy food.

Sure we should wean ourselves from our dependence on oil but until we have the alternative energy sources and the infrastructure necessary for their effective use we still need oil.Yes I can go along with that.
Question: Would you be in favour of a tax increase at the pump to fund exploring alternative energy?

That's easy to answer.


Yes!

That's easy to answer.


Yes!
Thats fair enough, between a price hike of whatever, plus incentives to energy companies and car manufacturers, I dont see why it cannot be achieved, in America anything is possible.

If we actually decided to drill oil in Alaska today, how long would it take to get the oil from the ground, get it refined and into my car?

They say there could be 16 billion barrels there. Many times the estimate for oil ends up being very low.

They should drill for the oil and tell the tree huggers to go away. I dont like payin $650 for 200 gallons of fuel that will be burned up in 2 to 3 days.