Super Bowl XLII lived up to the expectations one would have for the 42nd of anything. Congratulations to the Giants and Eli Manning.

Fantastic ballgame.
Congrats to the New York Giants, they really earned this victory.

Super Bowl XLII lived up to the expectations one would have for the 42nd of anything. Congratulations to the Giants and Eli Manning.
i could never hope to have a 42nd like that. :(

Yes, very good ball game. Such an exciting game to be watching when the score is 7-3, probably the lowest scoring, yet exciting, game I've seen.

This game can be broken down to a few major key factors:

- The giants shut down the deep ball, hence Welker's 11 receptions
- The giants ACTUALLY PUT PRESSURE ON TOM BRADY... I've been telling people for the last 5 years that the reason Brady looks so "calm and cool" is because he usually has 10 seconds to sit back and let a defense break down. The Giants front 4 were all up in Brady's grill, kept him on his back more than a hooker on 55th street, and hey, when Brady gets that kind of pressure, he doesn't look so great does he?
- Eli Manning and his unknown ability to make plays. Who knew he would scramble from a sure sack and bomb a 35 yard ball to Tyree who made a circus catch, clutching the ball into his helmet??? Manning was being pressured, but many of the New England blitzes were picked up by Brandon Jacobs, and Manning put the ball on the money most of the time.

No doubt Eli deserved the MVP. It's no secret that Brady is not superman when he has pressure. As a Colts fan, any time I see Brady getting drilled gives me just a guilty pressure. I think "welcome to the real world, Tom". This guy has been behind the best line in football.. and while I won't say he's not a great quarterback, you all know my feelings... I feel he is overrated.

And Bill Belicheck?? What is up with that? Leaving the field. ALL the patriots leaving the field. These guys are such gracious winners, but sore losers. Belicheck mustered out a few cliches... Brady was actually respectful, as was Rodney Harrison and Randy Moss... but I loved seeing Belicheck's bubble burst. 18-1... Nobody will forget that one.

Yes I've been telling people for the last 5 years that the reason Brady looks so "calm and cool" is because he usually has 10 seconds to sit back and let a defense break down. -". This guy has been behind the best line in football.. and while I won't say he's not a great quarterback, you all know my feelings... I feel he is overrated..

Just Like Troy in the 90's..... he had all day to throw the ball.... Hell even those hole the line produced for the running game were large enough to drive a car through.... But then again he wasn't a fast ass the bulled through the line either getting a max of 6 yards a carry by the time his stomach fell, like the Bus. Emmit was not a great running back.... Barry Sanders was a great running back...Thermon Thomas,and Ickey woods were good running backs as well.

Just Like Troy in the 90's..... he had all day to throw the ball.... Hell even those hole the line produced for the running game were large enough to drive a car through.... But then again he wasn't a fast ass the bulled through the line either getting a max of 6 yards a carry by the time his stomach fell, like the Bus. Emmit was not a great running back.... Barry Sanders was a great running back...Thermon Thomas,and Ickey woods were good running backs as well.
funny thing about Barry-when he retired, the Lions started winning a few. it was like "oh shit, Barry's gone! we have to work at this now!":lolhit:

Just Like Troy in the 90's..... he had all day to throw the ball.... Hell even those hole the line produced for the running game were large enough to drive a car through.... But then again he wasn't a fast ass the bulled through the line either getting a max of 6 yards a carry by the time his stomach fell, like the Bus. Emmit was not a great running back.... Barry Sanders was a great running back...Thermon Thomas,and Ickey woods were good running backs as well.

I would agree 100% that Barry Sanders is well beyond Emmit Smith as far as "who is the better running back". A running back, by definition, is supposed to follow blocks and make defenders miss. Smith followed a line that, like you said, a semi truck could have run through. Was Emmit Smith a great athlete? absolutely. But if you put a second tier running back behind that 90's dallas line, like a Ronnie Brown or Chester Taylor of today, or even some of the guys who didn't pan out on bad teams, like Ricky Williams, Maurice Clarett, or Rashan Salaam, and they either have pro bowl years or are GREAT running backs. Sanders made something out of nothing. He was quicker than Smith, faster than Smith, and had better vision than Smith....

Disappointing. I wanted to see the Pats go 19-0. Probably wont be another chance for that for a long long time.

Congrats to Eli and the Giants though. This will go down as one of the biggest upsets ever in sports.

Disappointing. I wanted to see the Pats go 19-0. Probably wont be another chance for that for a long long time.
I never understand people who support the favorite. Personally, I think it's my duty as a red-blooded American to support the underdog, unless my team's playing.

Not only did we witness history in the making last night, we also witnessed yet another changing of the guard in the NFL. The Patriots are no longer the dominant team and I predict that next season they'll be fortunate to go 10-6.

In other words, it's about over for the Patriots and their Hollywood filming crew. And thank god I don't have to listen to them being called the greatest team of all time anymore. IMO, they are in the top 10, but Belleckik could not have carried Vince Lombardi's lunchbox to the playground.

On behalf of Jets and Rams fans everywhere, congratulations to the REAL best team in the NFL.

I guess this book goes into the fiction category now.

:D

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I guess this book goes into the fiction category now.

:D

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LOL, you know, they say the Gods of Football don't like that kind of thing.

Just Like Troy in the 90's..... he had all day to throw the ball.... Hell even those hole the line produced for the running game were large enough to drive a car through.... But then again he wasn't a fast ass the bulled through the line either getting a max of 6 yards a carry by the time his stomach fell, like the Bus. Emmit was not a great running back.... Barry Sanders was a great running back...Thermon Thomas,and Ickey woods were good running backs as well.

Icky Woods--now there was a character. Remember his IckyShuffle he'd do in the endzone?

Decka did a pretty good job of analyzing the game.

Once Brady was reduced to throwing quick, short passes the Patriot's game plan fell apart. Instead of being the two dominant players, Brady and Moss were reduced to supporting roles.

I have never seen a defensive line apply so much pressure, so consistently as this Giants team did and Eli was amazing. He showed the nerve to stay in the pocket even when he heard footsteps coupled with an ability to scramble when he had to. He reminded me a little of Joe Namath.

Best Superbowl game I have ever seen and it will be even sweeter when I come across all those Patriots fans who have made my life hell around the pool every day with their constant 19-0 comments.

Unexpected victories are so much sweeter than expected ones.



Side note: It is now being said that Belecheat taped the Rams final practie before Superbowl XXXVI. If it is true, Belecheat and the Patriots will forever be known as cheaters.

Side note: It is now being said that Belecheat taped the Rams final practie before Superbowl XXXVI. If it is true, Belecheat and the Patriots will forever be known as cheaters.

Here's the latest on this, Frogger, from Sports Illustrated. com:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/playoffs/2007/02/04/bc.fbn.superbowl.patrio.ap/index.html


On edit--I don't like the idea of politicians messing with the NFL. But in this case, I think it needs addressed. There's not a one of us who wants to see the NFL's image tarnished a la the NBA.
Also, it's more than a laugh to hear Belichik compared to Lombardi. It's actually sad.

You don't do things right once in a while.

You do things right all the time.
Now what's it going to be, gentlemen?

Lombardi.

And another one for ya, Bill, from the Master:

It doesn't matter that you win every game.
What matters is that you win the championship.

Decka did a pretty good job of analyzing the game.

Once Brady was reduced to throwing quick, short passes the Patriot's game plan fell apart. Instead of being the two dominant players, Brady and Moss were reduced to supporting roles.


Thanks for the complement Frogger... I think I know my football to a degree.

I had an argument the other night (it seems to happen every time i get drunk with my friends) on who is the better QB- Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. I'm not going to get into all the numbers, but there was a big tell of why Manning is better than Brady, in my opinion, in this game. Brady's throwing motion is slow and deliberate, for the most part. He needs time to plant. Meanwhile, Manning has the quick release, allowing him to avoid more sacks. Brady NEEDS that protection to be successful. Without it, he looks like he did last night. I'm not going to say Brady isn't a great QB, but just look at the results when he had pressure on him. He didn't get rid of the ball, he didn't change his delivery. He stayed the same, and got drilled.

Meanwhile.. Wes Welker, i think, has become the quickest, shiftiest player in the NFL.

Thanks for the complement Frogger... I think I know my football to a degree.

I had an argument the other night (it seems to happen every time i get drunk with my friends) on who is the better QB- Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. I'm not going to get into all the numbers, but there was a big tell of why Manning is better than Brady, in my opinion, in this game. Brady's throwing motion is slow and deliberate, for the most part. He needs time to plant. Meanwhile, Manning has the quick release, allowing him to avoid more sacks. Brady NEEDS that protection to be successful. Without it, he looks like he did last night. I'm not going to say Brady isn't a great QB, but just look at the results when he had pressure on him. He didn't get rid of the ball, he didn't change his delivery. He stayed the same, and got drilled.

Meanwhile.. Wes Welker, i think, has become the quickest, shiftiest player in the NFL.

I've got to disagree with this. I've watched quite a few Patriots games and I would say this is probably the worst performance I've seen from Brady. Besides the fact that he was under quite a bit of pressure in every way shape and form, he was off even when the pressure wasn't on. His accuracy was missing in this game...I saw several passes that were just off. The Giants secondary doesn't get enough credit either. Everytime the Patriots threw it deep, the Giants defense were all over the place, even on Brady's well-thrown balls.

Even with the great defense - secondary and pressure from the defensive line, Brady still didn't throw an interception and put up pretty decent passing numbers.

Now, Peyton Manning? I've seen some pretty bad performances from him....sever multi-interception games in the face of mediocre defense.

As for Wes Welker, I have to agree that he looks damn sharp. I rooted for the Patriots just because I like to watch his little scrappy body fly around the field. I watched him in college when he played for the Red Raiders - he did the same things for Texas Tech. I'm glad to see his playstyle has translated to the NFL.

My boss has announced that in honor of the Giants win, our company is taking a holiday today. Go Giants.

Brady has been protected by one of the best lines in football. The Giants nullified that protection with their quickness and determination, getting to Brady over and over and forcing him to throw quick, short passes rather than going to his money player, Moss.

All the teams in the league saw how ineffective Brady is when pressured. Expect them to all blitz more and to attack Brady either before or at the point of release. He will hear footsteps from now on.

Don't expect the Pats to do better than 14 and 4 next year if they do that well.

All the teams in the league saw how ineffective Brady is when pressured. Expect them to all blitz more and to attack Brady either before or at the point of release. He will hear footsteps from now on.
If so, expect Laurence Maroney to have a breakout year.

Him and Welker.

Well.. it's either Brady folded under pressure from the front four of the Giants or he just choked... pick your poison.

Does anyone agree with me on the release factor? how Manning has a much quicker release while Brady gets more set and has a longer motion....

The patriots have excellent blocking schemes to protect their quarterback. It's easier said than done to just say "we'll blitz Brady and get to him"... They had 3 pro bowlers on that offensive line last night, and those guys got straight owned. Normally Faulk or Maroney can pick up a blitzer...

And the thing is... if you rush 3 or 4, blitz 2, and the pats pick it up.. it's man to man down the field on Moss, Stallworth, and Welker... That is why their offensive line is so pivotal to their success. They are so good at picking up blitzes and allowing Brady time to break down a zone or throw over the top.

As for Brady playing well.. he got hot a few times, but didn't do near enough to win a football game. Eli Manning had better numbers than him... that interception really wasn't on Eli... Brady has had better games, but I don't think it was Tom who stopped Tom from doing well, I think there were Giants making sure Tom was well aquainted with the Arizona turf.

The patriots have excellent blocking schemes to protect their quarterback. It's easier said than done to just say "we'll blitz Brady and get to him"... They had 3 pro bowlers on that offensive line last night, and those guys got straight owned. Normally Faulk or Maroney can pick up a blitzer...

And the thing is... if you rush 3 or 4, blitz 2, and the pats pick it up.. it's man to man down the field on Moss, Stallworth, and Welker... That is why their offensive line is so pivotal to their success. They are so good at picking up blitzes and allowing Brady time to break down a zone or throw over the top.


Exactly. That's why "blitz 'im" is not the simple solution. Good offenses will show you that blitzing has consequences and the Patriots offense is more than good.

I remember people used to say the same shit about the Houston Oilers (who I grew up watching) and their Run N' Shoot offense. They would say, there's only 5 linemen and a running back to block, so just blitz and you will overwhelm them. Of course, those people neglected to consider the effectiveness of anti-blitzing measures like the screen pass and deep ball....and both the Oilers and the Patriots love(d) both of those plays.

Without their taped practice sessions, the Patriots didn't even look as good as some of the third tier teams, much less a Championship contender.

Maybe that's the REAL reason they lost, hehe.

Doesn't anyone besides me wonder why it was they beat the heavily favored Rams in 2002? Well, now we KNOW why.

My God, they even cheated against the Jets. The Jets!!

They're a freaking disgrace.

PS. Peyton's a better QB than Brady. That lost, befuddled look on Brady's face was worth sitting thru all the dumb commericals.....ELI is a better QB than Brady. He has the ring and Brady ain't getting another one. The Gods of Football have spoken.

It will be easier to blitz Brady than other quarterbacks because of his slow release. It was obvious yesterday that he takes a longer time than most QBs to get the ball in the air.

It was amazing!!!!

They took control @ the last minute!

My boss has announced that in honor of the Giants win, our company is taking a holiday today. Go Giants.
he had a hang over too, eh?

Without their taped practice sessions, the Patriots didn't even look as good as some of the third tier teams, much less a Championship contender.

Maybe that's the REAL reason they lost, hehe.

Doesn't anyone besides me wonder why it was they beat the heavily favored Rams in 2002? Well, now we KNOW why.

My God, they even cheated against the Jets. The Jets!!

They're a freaking disgrace.

PS. Peyton's a better QB than Brady. That lost, befuddled look on Brady's face was worth sitting thru all the dumb commericals.....ELI is a better QB than Brady. He has the ring and Brady ain't getting another one. The Gods of Football have spoken.
don't get shy now, Ren...tell us what you really think:lolhit:

I couldn't find any Giants tee shirts or caps anywhere. They have all been sold out since before the game. I should have brought down my Giants cap from Long Island but who thought they would win their conference much less the Superbowl.

he had a hang over too, eh?
Well, typical company policy is, the Monday after Super Bowl, we don't even report into work till around eleven. I guess we could call it Hangover Monday. So, no.

I wouldn't go as far as to say Eli Manning is better than Tom Brady.. THAT is just untrue. Eli has been a rollercoaster this year, but he definitely outplayed Brady when it counted.

got this in an e-mail today.....made me laugh so I thought I'd share


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/Michelle111276/2uti71g.jpg

As a random aside, the Milwaukee paper had an article a few weeks ago about what happens to all of those unused championship shirts printed up by the losing teams (such as the Green Bay NFC Champions shirts they didn't put on after the game). Apparently they're donated to charity and end up somewhere in Africa. They showed a picture of a little kid all dressed up in Chicago Bears Superbowl XLI Champions gear.

You know it was worth watching when the only show in history that had more viewers was the last episode of MASH. A great game indeed...with the correct team winning!

LMAO, Sit down Brady, you are no Joe Montana.

Hell, he's not even a Tom Brady.

Nor is he a Spergon Wynn or an Akili Smith or a......Ryan Leaf!

(ok, so that was drastic...but hey, it's Tom Brady we're talking about).

Ironic how you brought up Spergeon Wynn... because the Cleveland Browns had a 7th round draft pick, and were looking at two QB's. Wynn, and this guy named Tom Brady...

I guess they chose wrong

Either that, or Wynn would have 3 super bowls right now