If trends keep going the way they are, how long will it be before Hispanic Americans are the majority in the United States.

50-100 years.

The old image of America being a white country of European ancestry
is dying out, with it will go North America-Northern Europe linkage.

The seed, literally the seed of change has been sown.

A report in USA Today shows how Hispanics are spreading out across America

away from the traditional Immigrant zones, and unlike influxes of European Immigration which were periodical, as much to do with events in Europe,
the influx of Latin Americans is continuous, thus will never stop.

In years to come this has the potential to completely change the world order.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2007-08-09-hispanic-growth_N.htm

No habla Ingles, por favor?

That shall be chiselled into the wall of Congress someday, me thinks.

That shall be chiselled into the wall of Congress someday, me thinks. Now how did someone from Ireland learn such an offensive word as spic?

I don't think Whitey will go down without a fight. Everything will be done to safeguard the homogenity of white European Protestant culture. Walls will be built, immigration standards enforced, illegals deported. Once people see what's truly at stake here, the lackadaisical attitude towards immigration will be corrected. Wealth will remain concentrated in the hands of whites, and Mexicans will become just like black people, marginalized and kept in line, begging for their share of glory.

To be sure, a few Mexicans will climb the ladder, but they too will never be fully accepted into the winner's club. The reality is, we're using Mexicans, just like we used Africans. White people will get richer, more of us will build our own fortunes on the backs of Mexicans. It will remain like this for at least another hundred years, assuming technology doesn't change the world before then.

Now how did someone from Ireland learn such an offensive word as spic?
I highly doubt that he knows how offensive it is, or he wouldn't have put it in the title of the thread...

Paul, if I were you I'd ask one of the mods to change that for you. It's not quite as bad as the N word but it's still a bit nasty.

Now how did someone from Ireland learn such an offensive word as spic?
Ya know this is pretty amazing. As you were typing your post I was saying to myself,

I wonder if the word 'spic' is offensive.

PS:I think Paddys box people as much as anyone else-if not more.

I highly doubt that he knows how offensive it is, or he wouldn't have put it in the title of the thread...

Paul, if I were you I'd ask one of the mods to change that for you. It's not quite as bad as the N word but it's still a bit nasty.
He can change it, just edit the title of his original post. The mods probably will change it, seeing as profanity is disallowed in thread titles.

OK DF-I guess you posted at the same time as me-only reading your advice now.

Borg could you change the word to 'Hispanic' for me when you get the chance.

Sorry guys :(

Well, I don't think we have any Hispanic posters anyways. :p

...or you could use the term "wetbacks", we wouldn't want to be politically offensive here.

:D

Oh shit I give up-this stupid Mick is tired now.

I don't think Whitey will go down without a fight. Everything will be done to safeguard the homogenity of white European Protestant culture. Walls will be built, immigration standards enforced, illegals deported. Once people see what's truly at stake here, the lackadaisical attitude towards immigration will be corrected. Wealth will remain concentrated in the hands of whites, and Mexicans will become just like black people, marginalized and kept in line, begging for their share of glory.

To be sure, a few Mexicans will climb the ladder, but they too will never be fully accepted into the winner's club. The reality is, we're using Mexicans, just like we used Africans. White people will get richer, more of us will build our own fortunes on the backs of Mexicans. It will remain like this for at least another hundred years, assuming technology doesn't change the world before then.
To be sure-you starting to talk Irish-I like it :)

In the decades to come, old race hatreds which have been buried for years may rear their ugly heads again, especially in da South.

As you say-you good old boys hate to see change down there.

Hispanic people really don't have the drive to succeed in the world that white people do. Neither do Africans. I meet a lot of both people, and talk to them about what drives them. Most Hispanic people come here so they can earn money to send back home. Some like it here, some like it better back home. Same with Africans. (note I'm talking about African immigrants, not American black people) Africans, more, are looking to make it here, but they don't have the drive to succeed Europeans did when they emigrated in droves to America. They want to earn an education and visit home frequently, just living life, contributing to their home families and their friends here.

Many Africans start businesses here, but almost none of them have the chops to really get rich, instead starting beauty salons, restaurants, and nightclubs, that flounder for a few years before closing. Africans will become a force in society long before Hispanics do, simply because they will want it more. Hispanics will get political influence faster, but they will squander it on ill-conceived initiatives and end up being used by more devious and experienced white politicians. Even the ones that get elected to Congress will find that they are fish out of water, and will end up getting blown about by the political winds rather than gaining real influence.

Africans will learn quicker how to play western ball, and will become a real economic force once they learn the ropes and garner the willpower. But they will not gain any significant political ground for a long time, because they cannot amass the numbers necessary, nor can they mix well enough with American blacks to form a bloc with any staying power.

To be sure-you starting to talk Irish-I like it :)

In the decades to come, old race hatreds which have been buried for years may rear their ugly heads again, especially in da South.

As you say-you good old boys hate to see change down there.
Contrary to what many believe, paul, racism is alive and well in the U.S. I think most people are racist (and not just white people).

Hispanic people really don't have the drive to succeed in the world that white people do. Neither do Africans. I meet a lot of both people, and talk to them about what drives them. Most Hispanic people come here so they can earn money to send back home. Some like it here, some like it better back home. Same with Africans. (note I'm talking about African immigrants, not American black people) Africans, more, are looking to make it here, but they don't have the drive to succeed Europeans did when they emigrated in droves to America. They want to earn an education and visit home frequently, just living life, contributing to their home families and their friends here.

Many Africans start businesses here, but almost none of them have the chops to really get rich, instead starting beauty salons, restaurants, and nightclubs, that flounder for a few years before closing. Africans will become a force in society long before Hispanics do, simply because they will want it more. Hispanics will get political influence faster, but they will squander it on ill-conceived initiatives and end up being used by more devious and experienced white politicians. Even the ones that get elected to Congress will find that they are fish out of water, and will end up getting blown about by the political winds rather than gaining real influence.

Africans will learn quicker how to play western ball, and will become a real economic force once they learn the ropes and garner the willpower. But they will not gain any significant political ground for a long time, because they cannot amass the numbers necessary, nor can they mix well enough with American blacks to form a bloc with any staying power.

Ive found it strange that the old WASP thing still remains in America, considering that Catholicism is the single biggest faith, tho all the other Christian churches together out number them.

I aint so sure that it comes down to how successful a race is,in business or politics or even at mixing with the rest of America.

This boils down to a numbers game. Hispanics with their tradition of having large families will eventually out breed everyone else, and they will/are out emigrating everyone else also.
Young white American women need to lie on their backs and think of uncle Sam-simple.
And young white American men like your good self need to lie down with them :D.

Contrary to what many believe, paul, racism is alive and well in the U.S. I think most people are racist (and not just white people).
Yep-Id go along with that.
I think Irish people are among the worst in this case also.

DF-Ive been thinking that maybe you need to engage in a breeding programme shortly-any comment.

Yep-Id go along with that.
I think Irish people are among the worst in this case also.
Definitely...

DF-Ive been thinking that maybe you need to engage in a breeding programme shortly-any comment.
Hahaha.... Well I want a few kids, sure. Not yet though. :p My boyfriend wants a whole mess of 'em... I told him 4 was my maximum, apparently that's his minimum! :eek:

Well as long as he is of English or even German extraction he'll do :)

Preferably tall, blond and very very white :D

Well as long as he is of English or even German extraction he'll do :)

Preferably tall, blond and very very white :D
Hahah... He's English and Irish. Tall, with blondish/reddish hair, and VERY white. He's so pale he makes me look tan, and I'm far from tan.

Strawberry blond-the color of a bottle of milk-he'll do :D

I highly doubt that he knows how offensive it is, or he wouldn't have put it in the title of the thread...

Paul, if I were you I'd ask one of the mods to change that for you. It's not quite as bad as the N word but it's still a bit nasty. Hmm, well I think it is as a bad as the "n" word. Especially if your hispanic.

Isnt it odd that people dont mind calling themselves these words, but are outraged when someone of another race, or more so nationality does it.

Example: The N word, I believe blacks use this word when talking to each other in slang-but whites using it is a no no.

In Europe its more of a Nationalistic thing.

With so many countries all bunched together-virtually everyone has a slang name.
Brits
Paddys
Frogs
Jerries
and so on.
Tho I dont think they are used in a vicious way, I might be wrong tho..

[quote=OldPhart]...or you could use the term "wetbacks", we wouldn't want to be politically offensive here.

:D[/quote :rolleyes:

Hmm, well I think it is as a bad as the "n" word. Especially if your hispanic.
I don't think so. My Hispanic friends don't really mind it at all. They think wetback is worse, since it implies that they're illegal... They really get offended at that one.

and are they illegal ?

Isnt it odd that people dont mind calling themselves these words, but are outraged when someone of another race, or more so nationality does it.

Example: The N word, I believe blacks use this word when talking to each other in slang-but whites using it is a no no.

In Europe its more of a Nationalistic thing.

With so many countries all bunched together-virtually everyone has a slang name.
Brits
Paddys
Frogs
Jerries
and so on.
Tho I dont think they are used in a vicious way, I might be wrong tho.. yes, and blacks can refer to their women as bitches and ho's in their rap songs. What country are Frogs and Jerries from by the way?

This boils down to a numbers game. Hispanics with their tradition of having large families will eventually out breed everyone else, and they will/are out emigrating everyone else also.
Those big families are going to hamper them, though. There's a reason family sizes get smaller and smaller as incomes go up. More wealth needs to be distributed amongst more people. One family won't be able to amass a huge, perpetuating mass of wealth, because as soon as the bread winner dies, all the kids will be wanting their equal share, and in such a family bound society as Mexicans are, they will have their equal shares. More able and less able children alike will get inheritances, and the children will be less able on average to begin with, because ten kids can't be educated and indoctrinated as easily as two or three. So while they will have the numbers, the wealth will still remain concentrated in the hands of whites. Being white in America will become synonymous with being wealthy, because we'll have more of it to spread amongst fewer people, both physical wealth and intellectual. Think of the Dutch.

The only thing that might avert this possibility is education. Mexican kids that get higher education will be better able to land positions of wealth and influence, just like the Asians before them. But since education itself still only provides a good deal of upward mobility if a child isn't required to pay for it, the overall impact will be marginal. Student loans will be the death of Mexican aspirations of power and influence. After they graduate, they'll face two big challenges. First, the loans, then their obligations to their families. Few Mexicans will be able to avoid having to share their wealth with their families who will undoubtedly use it less efficiently. Money begets money, and graduates will find it very difficult to even save for retirement under the restrictive burdens of their massive families. If you look closely, the advantages gained by increased numbers simply won't be enough to make Mexicans a real challenge to white superiority.

yes, and blacks can refer to their women as bitches and ho's in their rap songs. What country are Frogs and Jerries from by the way?
Oh c'mon now-think about it.

Those big families are going to hamper them, though. There's a reason family sizes get smaller and smaller as incomes go up. More wealth needs to be distributed amongst more people. One family won't be able to amass a huge, perpetuating mass of wealth, because as soon as the bread winner dies, all the kids will be wanting their equal share, and in such a family bound society as Mexicans are, they will have their equal shares. More able and less able children alike will get inheritances, and the children will be less able on average to begin with, because ten kids can't be educated and indoctrinated as easily as two or three. So while they will have the numbers, the wealth will still remain concentrated in the hands of whites. Being white in America will become synonymous with being wealthy, because we'll have more of it to spread amongst fewer people, both physical wealth and intellectual. Think of the Dutch.

The only thing that might avert this possibility is education. Mexican kids that get higher education will be better able to land positions of wealth and influence, just like the Asians before them. But since education itself still only provides a good deal of upward mobility if a child isn't required to pay for it, the overall impact will be marginal. Student loans will be the death of Mexican aspirations of power and influence. After they graduate, they'll face two big challenges. First, the loans, then their obligations to their families. Few Mexicans will be able to avoid having to share their wealth with their families who will undoubtedly use it less efficiently. Money begets money, and graduates will find it very difficult to even save for retirement under the restrictive burdens of their massive families. If you look closely, the advantages gained by increased numbers simply won't be enough to make Mexicans a real challenge to white superiority.
Shit-thats some answer.
I have found that the affluent people get the less children they have.
Poor people breed, so in your argument, families would get larger, not smaller.

White America has abanded its inner cities to non whites, and is moving into the suberbs are smaller towns, it seems Hispanics are following them.

I dunno, paulie, there's still plenty of white people in the cities. In fact, the trend of moving outward is reversing in a lot of areas. Whites are moving back into the cities.

Mexican families will for sure get smaller, but it'll take a few generations. Once that happens though, a huge rift will happen in Mexican culture as it struggles to maintain its cohesion. That struggle will again keep holding Mexicans back, because they still need to become acclimated to first world life. They're going to have to solve innumerable social problems, it's the same thing black people are going through right now. Those social problems will be used against them just like they're being used against blacks right now as a reason why they can't be trusted in the winner's club. They're starting two hundred years behind white people, and it's going to take them at least another hundred if not more to catch up. Social evolution does not happen overnight.

I dunno, paulie, there's still plenty of white people in the cities. In fact, the trend of moving outward is reversing in a lot of areas. Whites are moving back into the cities.
Didnt know that-right.
I guess crime must be dropping in some cities.

Tho I gotta say-some inner cities in America ya wouldnt want to live in,
they look like the third world :(

I don't think so. My Hispanic friends don't really mind it at all. They think wetback is worse, since it implies that they're illegal... They really get offended at that one. So your hispanic friends get called wetback? That's rude. Not to mention ignorant.

Mexican families will for sure get smaller, but it'll take a few generations. Once that happens though, a huge rift will happen in Mexican culture as it struggles to maintain its cohesion. That struggle will again keep holding Mexicans back, because they still need to become acclimated to first world life. They're going to have to solve innumerable social problems, it's the same thing black people are going through right now. Those social problems will be used against them just like they're being used against blacks right now as a reason why they can't be trusted in the winner's club. They're starting two hundred years behind white people, and it's going to take them at least another hundred if not more to catch up. Social evolution does not happen overnight.
While all this is going on, you forgot to mention that as these Mexican families get smaller, new Immigrants are arriving to replace them.

Its the only wave of Immigration that hasnt been periodical, its simply a tidal wave, so maybe we'll see something different from the trend.

Didnt know that-right.
I guess crime must be dropping in some cities.

Tho I gotta say-some inner cities in America ya wouldnt want to live in,
they look like the third world :(
So many cities have become strongholds of rich white people now... They're still full of crime and whatnot, and of course bad neighborhoods. In DC half the city is white people in $2 million houses, and the other half is a mixture of poorer white people (think college students) and black ghettos. The hispanics mainly stick to the suburbs, although most of the "suburbs" are pretty much city in everything except official name. Also there's plenty of poor white rednecks around DC, those whose families have been there since the closest suburbs were nothin' but farmland.

Yeah-a nice little spot in Georgetown would set ya back a buck or three.

Really,as with everything,it boils down to money then.

The more money,the further up the ladder ya go.

Nappy - I think the Hispanics will do better than the blacks have done, simply because they aren't as hated and discriminated against as black people have been forever.

Yeah-a nice little spot in Georgetown would set ya back a buck or three.

Really,as with everything,it boils down to money then.

The more money,the further up the ladder ya go.
Exactly. White trash like me & my family don't get respect from the rich people any more than the Mexicans or the blacks do... Although we do alright monetarily now, i still won't ever fit in up there.

Oh c'mon now-think about it. Hmm, well I did think I heard of Germans being called "Jerrys" before but was not sure. And why is that by the way:? I don't think that is the slang word Americans use for them though. At least I don't recall them being called that. I don't know what countries people are refered to as "frogs" though. Can I have a clue?

While all this is going on, you forgot to mention that as these Mexican families get smaller, new Immigrants are arriving to replace them.

Its the only wave of Immigration that hasnt been periodical, its simply a tidal wave, so maybe we'll see something different from the trend.
That'll make the depressing influence even worse, and the social tensions between new and old Mexicans even worse. Lower numbers make for better absorption. It'll be chaos, and the net effect will be that it will be much, much easier for white people to stay on top.

Consider this scenario. Mexican comes and makes it here, such that she can bring a sizable portion of her family over. Family comes, they all set up in a big house. They'll be living just like they did in Mexico, with strong family bounds and conservatism erasing all the gains the child made. Multiply that by a million. Now you have a million Mexican families all here living the Mexican life, only in America. The only difference in our lives will be that you'll see the streets filled with them. That's about it. They will be too busy living their lives to even hope to rise above their humbleness. And the ones that want to will be brought back to earth by obligations that don't make sense to us, but they take very seriously. They'll elect politicians to make sure they're comfortable, and that's the way they'll live, safely under the thumb of their white guardians.

Oh c'mon now-think about it. Well for some reason I thought Jerrys might refer to Germans but I wasn't sure. I don't think Americans call them that. As far as frogs. I don't know. Maybe a clue would help!

Nappy - I think the Hispanics will do better than the blacks have done, simply because they aren't as hated and discriminated against as black people have been forever.
Blacks will join the winner's club long before Hispanics do, simply because they've paid their dues. Black people are entrenched in a part of society where there is truly money to be made, entertainment. Hispanics will never gain inroads into an area of society where there is real money and power. Their culture is too alien to ours. Black culture, however, has mixed with white culture for generations, and only needs minor adjustments to become a major player in the battle for acceptance.

And the hate and discrimination for people, in my observation runs more against Hispanics, than against blacks. Blacks have for the most part escaped the larger discriminations, and have forced a modicum of respect from white people. Mexicans still have not pierced that barrier, and find themselves hopelessly discriminated against by most everyone who feels they're only suited to menial jobs. Black people find it much easier than Mexicans do to personally succeed. They speak English, and can even do it properly if they want, they have the courage and the drive to go it alone, and their family structures allow them to keep their wealth rather than give it back to the community other than church obligations. Mexicans for the most part lack these qualities. While their children speak English, most have accents they acquire from dual language learning as children. Mexicans will purposefully hamper the growth of their children in order to preserve the cohesiveness of their culture. Black families are more likely to raise their children in manners where they'll thrive. Mexican culture is far more insulated and conservative, so they don't find it as easy to strike out on their own to succeed.

Most Hispanics I know have no accent at all.

I guess it's more a regional thing. I would be surprised to find a Mexican that didn't have an accent here, if they spoke English at all. Maybe it's because of fewer numbers up there.

I guess it's more a regional thing. I would be surprised to find a Mexican that didn't have an accent here, if they spoke English at all. Maybe it's because of fewer numbers up there.
I dunno, there seem to be plenty, although I suppose there are probably more down there. Something like 20% of the students at my school are Hispanic.

Most Hispanics I know have no accent at all. Were they born in the United States or are they illegal immigrants?

Born in the States, duh.

Mostly born in the states, sometimes came when they were small children. Obviously the recent immigrants have accents or speak no English at all, but I don't come in contact with many of those.

That'll make the depressing influence even worse, and the social tensions between new and old Mexicans even worse. Lower numbers make for better absorption. It'll be chaos, and the net effect will be that it will be much, much easier for white people to stay on top.

Consider this scenario. Mexican comes and makes it here, such that she can bring a sizable portion of her family over. Family comes, they all set up in a big house. They'll be living just like they did in Mexico, with strong family bounds and conservatism erasing all the gains the child made. Multiply that by a million. Now you have a million Mexican families all here living the Mexican life, only in America. The only difference in our lives will be that you'll see the streets filled with them. That's about it. They will be too busy living their lives to even hope to rise above their humbleness. And the ones that want to will be brought back to earth by obligations that don't make sense to us, but they take very seriously. They'll elect politicians to make sure they're comfortable, and that's the way they'll live, safely under the thumb of their white guardians.

Surely thats true of any ethnic grouping. Its the Immigrants children and their children and so on that make it to the top, that is after all what all
Americans are, its a question of how many times ya write the word children in front of your name all the way back to whoever got off the boat.

Mexicans tho same to have difficulty or maybe its indifference to 'fitting in'.
As their not part and parcel of white America they simply dont want it.

If you take Irish Immigration in the 1850s-the Irish werent part and parcel of the 'White Anglo Saxon Protestant' culture either, and got slammed because of it, tho they were determind to be accepted as part of Americana, it took great sacrifice in the civil war before that happened.

Well for some reason I thought Jerrys might refer to Germans but I wasn't sure. I don't think Americans call them that. As far as frogs. I don't know. Maybe a clue would help!
I believe Americans call Germans-Krauts, sometimes they are called that in Europe also.

Frogs-which countries cuisine is famous for cooking frogs ?

All this nicknames for different peoples seems to stem from England for some reason, its one of those bad habits we've picked up.

OK DF-I guess you posted at the same time as me-only reading your advice now.

Borg could you change the word to 'Hispanic' for me when you get the chance.

Sorry guys :(

Done. :)

the only people who worry about this situation are racist. THE key words in the post, "TAKING OVER". you may not think of yourself as "racist" ,but your thinking is. and it is TAUGHT subtely, and subconsciously within white america, whether they know it or not. that's why "america" is trying to limit the amount of non-white immigrants, legal or not,into the "country".
me? i don't give a flying fuck. i'm a mixed blood (euro,native, and african)anyway although i look like a typical appalachian white guy.
keep in mind a hell of a lot of "hispanics" are part native and are ashamed of it. they've been taught this for generations. self hate. because what is seen as best in latin america is "whiteness". hopefully they'll get over that.

Born in the States, duh. How do you know that most of her hispanic friends were born in the United States?

I believe Americans call Germans-Krauts, sometimes they are called that in Europe also.

Frogs-which countries cuisine is famous for cooking frogs ?

All this nicknames for different peoples seems to stem from England for some reason, its one of those bad habits we've picked up. yes, I think most Americans would recognize "krauts" as slang for Germans. I wonder why the English call them Jerrys? Well I hope they don't eat the whole frog but I'm going to say frogs are the French. They can make some great sauce to put on it probably. I didn't realize they were famous for cooking frogs though. When I was a child growing up in Texas I would go hunting bullfrogs with my dad at night. Then they would fry up some frog legs the next day. I never tried them once though! I know it is suppose to taste like chicken but I would rather eat a chicken. I'm not very adventurous when it comes to eating strange meats.

yes, I think most Americans would recognize "krauts" as slang for Germans. I wonder why the English call them Jerrys? Well I hope they don't eat the whole frog but I'm going to say frogs are the French. They can make some great sauce to put on it probably. I didn't realize they were famous for cooking frogs though. When I was a child growing up in Texas I would go hunting bullfrogs with my dad at night. Then they would fry up some frog legs the next day. I never tried them once though! I know it is suppose to taste like chicken but I would rather eat a chicken. I'm not very adventurous when it comes to eating strange meats.
you're thinking about it wrong. German = Gerry...get it now?

the French will eat horses, but horses you can count on to do something...Frogs just hop around and make a lot of noise. is that enough of a clue?:cool:

the only people who worry about this situation are racist. THE key words in the post, "TAKING OVER". you may not think of yourself as "racist" ,but your thinking is. and it is TAUGHT subtely, and subconsciously within white america, whether they know it or not.
I'm not racist... I'd just prefer not to be part of a minority. Minorities don't do that well and aren't treated that well, if you didn't notice. I'm already a woman, which gives me a bit of disadvantage (although that's certainly changing rapidly), I don't want to be a minority too... Hell, then the only thing I'd have to do to complete the trifecta is become gay. Then I'd really be screwed! :p

Good job your back to school tomorrow-your getten very cranky :)

Good job your back to school tomorrow-your getten very cranky :)
Tomorrow is Martin Luther King day... School starts Tuesday. And I'm not cranky at all... I've been in a great mood the past couple of days, quite the change from the depression I was in before that.

Is there a reason why school is off on Martin Luther Day ?

Did he go to your school maybe.

Is there a reason why school is off on Martin Luther Day ?

Did he go to your school maybe.
No, it's a national holiday. No one has school tomorrow.

Bit strange having a national day for a man who won rights for 12% of the population.

But its a day off.

Bit strange having a national day for a man who won rights for 12% of the population.

But its a day off.
it's a day off for Federal and State employees, and some schools but not all.

Oh OK-I was thinking that like everyone got a lie in tomorrow.

Oh OK-I was thinking that like everyone got a lie in tomorrow.
i do, but it's not MLK related:D

i do, but it's not MLK related:D
Your life's a holiday man.

Your life's a holiday man.
not really, i'm on-call 24/7 and still lose $30k a year for it.:(

i'd rather have my old job back, but until i full control over my pedal foot again, i'm stuck with what i've got.

What ya doing, working for a breakdown outfit or summit?

What ya doing, working for a breakdown outfit or summit?
worse-i'm the trainer for a medium sized trucking company. after having a truck fall on me, you could say i have a unique perspective on safety:lolhit:

i'm also the broker on a couple of high profile accounts, and the assistant to the general manager, so i get to know how to do, or who to farm out to, every job in the company....lots of fun for make-up wages.:woohoo:

Yeah you do alright :)

How do you know that most of her hispanic friends were born in the United States?
If they don't have an accent, they were born in the States. It's that simple.

the Hispanic kids around here don't have accents cause they were all or mostly born here. The adults all have heavy accents and speak very little to no English at all.
What burns me is my children are required to take Spanish from kidnergarten to 12th grade and is a requirement to graduate in my childrens school district. But at the same time,Hispanic children aren't made to take English courses so they can speak English clearly and accurately.:rant:

the Hispanic kids around here don't have accents cause they were all or mostly born here. The adults all have heavy accents and speak very little to no English at all.
What burns me is my children are required to take Spanish from kidnergarten to 12th grade and is a requirement to graduate in my childrens school district. But at the same time,Hispanic children aren't made to take English courses so they can speak English clearly and accurately.:rant:
Ummm yes, Hispanic children do have to take English courses... ALL children take English courses, and most Hispanic children take ESL (if they are less adept at English than their white peers).

I don't see why everyone has a problem with American students taking Spanish lessons. Most of the world's children take a foreign language class (usually English).

Ummm yes, Hispanic children do have to take English courses... ALL children take English courses, and most Hispanic children take ESL (if they are less adept at English than their white peers).

I don't see why everyone has a problem with American students taking Spanish lessons. Most of the world's children take a foreign language class (usually English).


I meant the ESL courses when I said English classes. Sorry.
It's not a big deal if it's like when I was in high school and it was an elective not mandatory. Just within the last 7 years it's become mandatory that all kids take Spanish classes K-12. The school lunch menus are tailored to the Hispanic kids with alot of Mexican foods as opposed to a more varied menu.
I would have to say the town I live in is roughly 60% Hispanic

If the Hispanics are the majority then I don't see anything wrong with it. And I also see nothing wrong with mandatory foreign language classes for kids in all years of public school, and of course Spanish would be the logical choice since it's the second most widely used language in the country. It would be better, of course, if there were more languages offered, but it would just be impractical for schools to hire teachers for multiple languages, considering how strapped for cash they tend to be.

(P.S. - Mexican food is popular. They serve Mexican stuff all the time at my sister's school, and our zip code is something like 96% white.)

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I would have to say the town I live in is roughly 60% Hispanic
it only seems that way becuase they all hang out on the end of your street:p

If the Hispanics are the majority then I don't see anything wrong with it. And I also see nothing wrong with mandatory foreign language classes for kids in all years of public school, and of course Spanish would be the logical choice since it's the second most widely used language in the country. It would be better, of course, if there were more languages offered, but it would just be impractical for schools to hire teachers for multiple languages, considering how strapped for cash they tend to be.

(P.S. - Mexican food is popular. They serve Mexican stuff all the time at my sister's school, and our zip code is something like 96% white.)
96% white-sounds a bit extreme.

96% white-sounds a bit extreme.
There's a lotta white people out here in the middle of nowhere. Down where I go to school though it's about 50% white, maybe slightly less.

middle of nowhere-in Ireland youd be called a cultchie :)

If the Hispanics are the majority then I don't see anything wrong with it. And I also see nothing wrong with mandatory foreign language classes for kids in all years of public school, and of course Spanish would be the logical choice since it's the second most widely used language in the country. It would be better, of course, if there were more languages offered, but it would just be impractical for schools to hire teachers for multiple languages, considering how strapped for cash they tend to be.

(P.S. - Mexican food is popular. They serve Mexican stuff all the time at my sister's school, and our zip code is something like 96% white.)



I never said there was anything wrong with it,I just don't think it should be mandatory for all the grades. We have 2 elementary schools,a middle school and the high school. I don't see a problem with the middle and high schools being made to take a foriegn language class but when they are making little kidnergartners take Spanish I think that's a bit extreme.
Others may not see it that way and it's fine,different points of view is all.

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I never said there was anything wrong with it,I just don't think it should be mandatory for all the grades. We have 2 elementary schools,a middle school and the high school. I don't see a problem with the middle and high schools being made to take a foriegn language class but when they are making little kidnergartners take Spanish I think that's a bit extreme.
Others may not see it that way and it's fine,different points of view is all. I think it is probably easier for people to learn a foreign language if they start at a younger age.

I think it is probably easier for people to learn a foreign language if they start at a younger age.
Much easier. Making foreign language classes required in high schools is a pointless exercise because none of those kids is going to actually learn enough Spanish or French or whatever for it to be useful. We might as well have no foreign language classes if we're only going to require them in high school (and offer them optionally in middle school, as they do in most places). I think this country should make a commitment to making its students bilingual and start language lessons at a very young age - maybe not kindergarten but I'd say 1st or 2nd grade. Spanish would be the obvious language to choose, since it's the second most used language in this country. The only other practical language would be Chinese, but since it uses a completely different alphabet and what not I'd say that Spanish would be much easier for kids to learn and hold on to.

Much easier. Making foreign language classes required in high schools is a pointless exercise because none of those kids is going to actually learn enough Spanish or French or whatever for it to be useful.

I went to college with a little white girl who speaks fluent Spanish. Her first foreign language education came in high school.

I think the key to actually learning the language is to practice it outside the classroom as well as inside.

I went to college with a little white girl who speaks fluent Spanish. Her first foreign language education came in high school.

I think the key to actually learning the language is to practice it outside the classroom as well as inside.
True, but most high school students don't WANT to learn anything, therefore they just memorize what they need for the test and forget it later. And for most people, fluency only comes from immersion... So at least if kids had Spanish for 10 years there would be a much higher percentage actually learning it. I'm not good with languages - I lived in a Spanish speaking country for 2 years and I still wasn't fluent at the end.