I was walking through the man lobby area of my college, and since it's the beginning of the year, all the groups have their tables out, marketing their group for more members. There is the "anime society".. there is the "gamers club" for video game heads... they DO have a christian group at the college, and they had a stand. Then I saw one I had never seen before... "Activists for Atheism"...

I thought to myself "hmmm.. that seems kind of strange." Strange how? Well I don't deny that they have a right to the table, but what i find strange is ACTIVISM involved with ATHEISM. The belief in NO God, and basically saying "science did it" IS a point of view.. but why would you want to get members and form a society? If we are all just the result of random collisions and survival of the fittest... why would you want to actively pursue and persuade people to take your stance? Religionists do it because they believe in a life after death.. these people don't. So why waste the time to tell people that nothing is going to happen when they die? Isn't that just wasted time? I just don't get the reasoning for it... I thought I'd bounce it off you guys.

And remember... I do not question AT ALL their right to have a table among the other groups. Just the philosophy behind it.

To educate the public about the views of nontheists. Also many associations of freethinkers work to keep state and church separate.

I have no problem with a group of nontheists having a "club" at a college or wherever.

I will say this though, the more militant atheists (this seems to be a recent trendy thing to do) do get somewhat annoying with their constant quoting of Hitchens and others. I equate their fervor (and their confrontational behavior) to the Fundie zealots. All bluff and bluster without any substance.

The generalities used by both sides are disingenuous and often only stated to "stir up shit". My father, who was a lay speaker and deeply religious man, was a strong proponent of the separation of church and state. There are many (including myself) that, while believers, have no desire to push or legislate our beliefs on others.

Again it needs Restating.There IS no Belief or Belief system involved
in the Denying that God exists.
Belief is an affirmation and a support system that corroborates and
substantiates.
Being an Atheist is an easy task.It merely means to Deny God.
Not " doubt ",that is Agnosticism.
Synonyms for " Believe " run as such

- infer
- accept
- trust
- understand
- think
- expect
- anticipate
- regard
- credit
Any and ALL of those words are the contradiction of what Atheism IS.
Believe in one's own eyes.
See how stupid y'all sound.

Even tho I would never become a member of such a group, I do see the point in having an alternative for people interested in religion but from the non believers point of view. This stuff doesn't happen at my Uni but I can see why it would in the US where religion still has a great influence (relatively speaking). Classic skeptic societies usually argue anything including religion, astrology and other subjects with a supernatural element. Atheists who are confronted by religion in every day life do have a need to unite, they are afterall just people. Heard about a few atheist teachers groups in the US who need to work together because they face great opposition.

I was walking through the man lobby area of my college, and since it's the beginning of the year, all the groups have their tables out, marketing their group for more members. There is the "anime society".. there is the "gamers club" for video game heads... they DO have a christian group at the college, and they had a stand. Then I saw one I had never seen before... "Activists for Atheism"...

I thought to myself "hmmm.. that seems kind of strange." Strange how? Well I don't deny that they have a right to the table, but what i find strange is ACTIVISM involved with ATHEISM. The belief in NO God, and basically saying "science did it" IS a point of view.. but why would you want to get members and form a society? If we are all just the result of random collisions and survival of the fittest... why would you want to actively pursue and persuade people to take your stance? Religionists do it because they believe in a life after death.. these people don't. So why waste the time to tell people that nothing is going to happen when they die? Isn't that just wasted time? I just don't get the reasoning for it... I thought I'd bounce it off you guys.

And remember... I do not question AT ALL their right to have a table among the other groups. Just the philosophy behind it.
Probably the most poignant reason for such a group, at least in the United States, would be to fight legal battles against those who seek to insert religion into government, and to fight laws already on the books on First Amendment grounds. Granted, you can do that without being an atheist (such as the ACLU, a great group that I have donated to in the past), but keeping religion out of government is an important objective that many atheists, including myself, have.

I was walking through the man lobby area of my college, and since it's the beginning of the year, all the groups have their tables out, marketing their group for more members. There is the "anime society".. there is the "gamers club" for video game heads... they DO have a christian group at the college, and they had a stand. Then I saw one I had never seen before... "Activists for Atheism"...

I thought to myself "hmmm.. that seems kind of strange." Strange how? Well I don't deny that they have a right to the table, but what i find strange is ACTIVISM involved with ATHEISM. The belief in NO God, and basically saying "science did it" IS a point of view.. but why would you want to get members and form a society? If we are all just the result of random collisions and survival of the fittest... why would you want to actively pursue and persuade people to take your stance? Religionists do it because they believe in a life after death.. these people don't. So why waste the time to tell people that nothing is going to happen when they die? Isn't that just wasted time? I just don't get the reasoning for it... I thought I'd bounce it off you guys.

And remember... I do not question AT ALL their right to have a table among the other groups. Just the philosophy behind it. Didn't they have any literature that you could pick up to read about their group? Or couldn't you have asked them about their group? It seems that would have been a lot easier and they would probably have given you a better answer then anyone in this forum!

I just wish there were more Atheist Groups forming. When facing a organized group with financing and numbers who is on the offensive. It is good to form a organized group with financing and numbers to challenge the offensive force. Simple military tactics.

I just wish there were more Atheist Groups forming. When facing a organized group with financing and numbers who is on the offensive. It is good to form a organized group with financing and numbers to challenge the offensive force. Simple military tactics.
Military tactics? WTF?

Military tactics? WTF?

There seem to be two kinds of atheists - those that want to be left alone and will do the same to others, and those that view religion as some sort of struggle for the minds of mankind. These are usually the ones that complain about the harm done by religion.

I think its about damn time, do you know if any organizations fund or sponsor them?

Military tactics? WTF?


The Cold War was not about Armies facing Armies. It was about getting an advantage through other means. Atheistism and Christianity are as much in a Cold War as the United States and Russia were. Consider that the Christian zealots are like Russia and the Atheists are like the United States. The United States did their best to undermine Russia. Without using military force.

The Cold War was not about Armies facing Armies. It was about getting an advantage through other means. Atheistism and Christianity are as much in a Cold War as the United States and Russia were. Consider that the Christian zealots are like Russia and the Atheists are like the United States. The United States did their best to undermine Russia. Without using military force.
First of all, what is "atheistism"? Secondly, what leads you to believe in the existence of a "war"? They're beliefs. Believe in what you wish to. Thirdly, were you aware that "atheist" is not a proper noun and thus should generally not be capitalized?

First of all, what is "atheistism"? Secondly, what leads you to believe in the existence of a "war"? They're beliefs. Believe in what you wish to. Thirdly, were you aware that "atheist" is not a proper noun and thus should generally not be capitalized?

To the best of my knowledge Atheistism is the belief that no God or Gods exist since no evidence exists to show that they exist. An Atheist if given proof of the existance a God or Gods would most likely become atleast a Deist if not a Theist. What is War. War is one group attempting to impose control over another group. During the cold war Russia was attempting to impose their Communist beliefs upon others.

The United States attempted to block this and apply their Democratic beliefs instead. For the most part this was done without use of arms. Whether it is a small number or large number of Christian Fundamentalists they are attempting to impose their religious beliefs upon others. The Atheists are beginning to organze to block this. I guess you could call this a war of Stratagy.

(A)Theist. Because if I am going to capitalize Theist, I will also capitalize Atheist.

The Cold War was not about Armies facing Armies. It was about getting an advantage through other means. Atheistism and Christianity are as much in a Cold War as the United States and Russia were. Consider that the Christian zealots are like Russia and the Atheists are like the United States. The United States did their best to undermine Russia. Without using military force.
Great analogy. Let's compare Christians as Soviets (who by the way had an atheistic state) to atheists as The United States (who happens to have freedom of religion) in a "cold war" scenario. Why not compare the Christians as the pre-Constantine Romans to the atheists as the Christians of that time?

This is just utter and unvarnished bullshit. No one in the U.S. is being "oppressed" by the "evil Christians". Our society today is much more tolerant of any belief structure (or non-belief) than at any time in its history. There is no "war" going on between these factions... other than the warped paranoia that occurs in both sides of the idiotic zealots... be they Christian OR atheist.

Find another "cause" that at least my make a small iota of sense. Maybe the persecution of the ugly by the beautiful people? The lambasting of fat asses by those who eat sensibly and get some exercise?

Give me a damn break.

To the best of my knowledge Atheistism is the belief that no God or Gods exist since no evidence exists to show that they exist.
This is atheism. It's in the title of this thread.
(A)Theist. Because if I am going to capitalize Theist, I will also capitalize Atheist.
"Theist" isn't a proper noun either.

Picky, Picky, Picky. Pickyism. LOL

Iwhat i find strange is ACTIVISM involved with ATHEISM. The belief in NO God, and basically saying "science did it" IS a point of view.. but why would you want to get members and form a society?

Perhaps to stop the pro-Christian forces --who are relentless in their proselytizing and recruiting and demands that their belief be universally regarded as THE one true belief system-- from turning America into a theocracy.

(Not that I think they have the slightest chance of preventing it.)

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Christianity operates as if it represents the supreme ruler and authority of the universe. Christianity operates as if it has supreme sovereign rights over all human beings on earth. Christianity operates as if all are others are inferior and subordinate to its ideological demands.

Perhaps to stop the pro-Christian forces --who are relentless in their proselytizing and recruiting and demands that their belief be universally regarded as THE one true belief system-- from turning America into a theocracy.

(Not that I think they have the slightest chance of preventing it.)

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Christianity operates as if it represents the supreme ruler and authority of the universe. Christianity operates as if it has supreme sovereign rights over all human beings on earth. Christianity operates as if all are others are inferior and subordinate to its ideological demands.

FreeThinker if the Supreme Court remains as it is. Then the chances of a organized Atheist Front halting the Fundamentalists is good. If Bush the Son appoints one or two more supreme courts judges with Religious Fundamentalists then we become a Theocracy. If no more Judges are replaced before Bush the Son leaves office and if we have a democratic president or atleast a democratic congress we have a chance.

If a republican fundamentalist replaces Bush then things will stay chancy. It will then depend on the makeup of the congress. My best Hope would be for a democratic president with a democratic congress with a 2/3 rds majority to repair the damage done by Bush the Son. But at this point a stale mate is better then nothing

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