I HATE DRUNK DRIVERS WITH A PASSION!! -- I HOPE THIS IDIOT ROTS WHERE HE IS NOW!!!!!!! :mad:

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HE WAS THE ONE COMMITING A CRIME (DRIVING DRUNK) AND HE TAKES 5 INNOCENT LIVES....... DRUNK DRIVERS FUCKING SUCK!!!!!!!!!

3 times the limit, damn. *whistles*

At some point or another, you've just gotta stop and say "......shit!" with as much surprise and disbelief as possible.

only 3 times over the limit?

lightweight.

The impact ripped away the front passenger seat and two doors, and several victims were ejected.
Were they wearing seat belts?

only 3 times over the limit?

lightweight. That's nice you can find humour in this tragedy! :slap:

and people take DUI's lightly! I guess if the driver has accepted Jesus as his lord and savior then its no problem...

You think my being a christian has anything to do with this?

And do you think my comment REALLY had anything to do with those that were killed?

I simply made a remark on how driving 3 times over the limit is not a good idea, but in a sarcastic matter.

meanwhile.. YOUR sarcastic remarks about whether or not people except Jesus came out of left field, had nothing to do with the topic, and was just a dumb post MeskDXB

How about we just say they were BOTH dumb posts (they were), and have a beer!:drinktoth

I'll admit that I'm guilty of dumb posts at times... everyone is, it's just that most of em have too much of an ego to admit it. Humility is such a lacking quality in this world

and people take DUI's lightly! I guess if the driver has accepted Jesus as his lord and savior then its no problem...

what a fuckin tool....:bike:

No one has answered my question. Were they wearing seat belts? If they weren't, the homicide charges are bogus.

No one has answered my question.
Likely because no one here knows the answer. Why don't you put on your psychic hat?

Likely because no one here knows the answer. Why don't you put on your psychic hat?
I'm pointing out how bullshit this story is, Nappy. That this information is not included in the article demonstrates a lack of journalistic skills, at best. I'm going to deduce that the people who were ejected, except the person in the front passenger seat, were not wearing seat belts. The drunk driver is not responsible for their deaths.

Rhetorical points should only be made once. To refer to them later is reaching.

I'm pointing out how bullshit this story is, Nappy. That this information is not included in the article demonstrates a lack of journalistic skills, at best. I'm going to deduce that the people who were ejected, except the person in the front passenger seat, were not wearing seat belts. The drunk driver is not responsible for their deaths.I dont know much about a court of law's definition of what makes someone responsbile, but the fact that this fuck was drunk driving on the wrong god damn side of the road makes him plenty responsible in my world.

I dont know much about a court of law's definition of what makes someone responsbile, but the fact that this fuck was drunk driving on the wrong god damn side of the road makes him plenty responsible in my world.
Responsible for the accident? Sure. Responsible for drunk driving? Sure. Responsible for all property damage? Sure. Responsible for all injuries to people who were wearing seat belts? Sure. Responsible for killing some dumbfucks who weren't wearing their seat belts? Not a chance in hell.

Responsible for the accident? Sure. Responsible for drunk driving? Sure. Responsible for all property damage? Sure. Responsible for all injuries to people who were wearing seat belts? Sure. Responsible for killing some dumbfucks who weren't wearing their seat belts? Not a chance in hell.Cause and effect. Without his cause, there would have been no effect.

Cause and effect. Without his cause, there would have been no effect.
If they had been wearing their seat belts, they would likely still be alive today.

If they had been wearing their seat belts, they would likely still be alive today.
Not as likely as if this dumb fuck hadnt gotten behind the wheel and plowed into them in the first place.

You're talking about what might have been, and im talking about what happened.

If they don't want to die, they should wear their goddamn seat belts. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but not as harshly as if they had died while wearing the seat belts.

If they don't want to die, they should wear their goddamn seat belts. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but not as harshly as if they had died while wearing the seat belts.Maybe they should have just stayed fucking home. Then they would have known a drunk driver wouldnt hit them. :rolleyes:

Maybe they should have just stayed fucking home. Then they would have known a drunk driver wouldnt hit them. :rolleyes:
Oh you know that's bullshit, come on. Everyone should wear a seat belt whenever they get into a vehicle, period.

Oh you know that's bullshit, come on. Everyone should wear a seat belt whenever they get into a vehicle, period.
Funny how you accept the government telling us we have to wear seat belts, and then using it as an example of how if you dont follow this rule, your life is worth less than others. Yet you're one of the biggest proponents of marijuana usage on these forums. I guess your life isnt worth much either, right? If your supplier shoots you in the head next time you go get your fix, we'll give him a lighter sentence than if he had gone out and randomly killed someone, cause you deserved it a little bit.

Funny how you accept the government telling us we have to wear seat belts, and then using it as an example of how if you dont follow this rule, your life is worth less than others. Yet you're one of the biggest proponents of marijuana usage on these forums. I guess your life isnt worth much either, right? If your supplier shoots you in the head next time you go get your fix, we'll give him a lighter sentence than if he had gone out and randomly killed someone, cause you deserved it a little bit.
I think the government telling people they have to wear seat belts is complete bullshit, and no less. But I think that by not wearing a seat belt, you pretty much sustain any ejection injuries at your own risk.

I think the government telling people they have to wear seat belts is complete bullshit, and no less. But I think that by not wearing a seat belt, you pretty much sustain any ejection injuries at your own risk.Did you even look at the pictures in this post borg? The whole passenger side of the van is demolished.

Funny how you accept the government telling us we have to wear seat belts, and then using it as an example of how if you dont follow this rule, your life is worth less than others. Yet you're one of the biggest proponents of marijuana usage on these forums. I guess your life isnt worth much either, right? If your supplier shoots you in the head next time you go get your fix, we'll give him a lighter sentence than if he had gone out and randomly killed someone, cause you deserved it a little bit.
This argument specious at best. I didn't say that people who don't follow the rules are worth less, and I don't believe that we should wear seat belts just because the government says so. The fact that wearing seat belts is the law doesn't even come into my argument at all. It's not about the law; it's about safety. I don't refrain from murdering people because it's illegal; I refrain from murdering people because it's wrong.

And as far as people who get killed while they themselves are committing a crime, of course I think that should be considered a factor in the sentencing of the killer, especially if the killing was an accident and the killer did not set out to do it. It's not that their lives are worth less, it's that they chose to put themselves in a dangerous situation. I've chosen to walk home alone at 3 am, and if I had been attacked and raped of course I would have acknowledged that it was partly my fault. However, the only time that someone even came close to doing that, I pulled out my pocket knife and defended myself. (No, I didn't actually have to hurt him with it, just threaten him.)

Riding in a car is dangerous, and we can't prevent injuries/death completely, but we should do everything we can to protect ourselves - that means seat belts.

This argument specious at best. I didn't say that people who don't follow the rules are worth less, and I don't believe that we should wear seat belts just because the government says so. The fact that wearing seat belts is the law doesn't even come into my argument at all. It's not about the law; it's about safety. I don't refrain from murdering people because it's illegal; I refrain from murdering people because it's wrong.

And as far as people who get killed while they themselves are committing a crime, of course I think that should be considered a factor in the sentencing of the killer, especially if the killing was an accident and the killer did not set out to do it. It's not that their lives are worth less, it's that they chose to put themselves in a dangerous situation. I've chosen to walk home alone at 3 am, and if I had been attacked and raped of course I would have acknowledged that it was partly my fault. However, the only time that someone even came close to doing that, I pulled out my pocket knife and defended myself. (No, I didn't actually have to hurt him with it, just threaten him.)

Riding in a car is dangerous, and we can't prevent injuries/death completely, but we should do everything we can to protect ourselves - that means seat belts.
Thats all well and good. However, when you come up with protection against someone driving on the wrong side of the road while in a drunken stupor, you call me.

Did you even look at the pictures in this post borg? The whole passenger side of the van is demolished.
Yes, and the death of person on the passenger side (who was apparently crushed) was completely the fault of the drunk driver. Borg already acknowledged this. The death of those who were ejected from the vehicle, if they were not wearing seat belts, is mostly his fault and partly their fault.

Thats all well and good. However, when you come up with protection against someone driving on the wrong side of the road while in a drunken stupor, you call me.
That really has nothing to do with it. You can prevent being ejected from your car in an accident by wearing your seat belt.

EDIT: Also, thanks for completely ignoring the fact that I blasted the legitimacy of your argument out of the water. :)

Did you even look at the pictures in this post borg? The whole passenger side of the van is demolished.
And yet, there were survivors. Modern vehicles are built with an extraordinary number of safety features, probably the most important of which is the seat belt. If you willfully disable that device, and allow your children to do the same, I don't think you deserve any sympathy if you get in an accident and people are ejected from the automobile.

Yes, and the death of person on the passenger side (who was apparently crushed) was completely the fault of the drunk driver. Borg already acknowledged this. The death of those who were ejected from the vehicle, if they were not wearing seat belts, is mostly his fault and partly their fault.Am i talking to Batman and Robin here? You guys wanna type a sentence and let the other finish it? Next time i have a question for Borg, i'll just ask you his opinion, ok?

Am i talking to Batman and Robin here? You guys wanna type a sentence and let the other finish it? Next time i have a question for Borg, i'll just ask you his opinion, ok?
Oh come on. You sound like SMW. I have every right to refute any point you make on this public discussion forum, no matter whether or not you addressed your post towards someone else.

Oh come on. You sound like SMW. I have every right to refute any point you make on this public discussion forum, no matter whether or not you addressed your post towards someone else.
Thats true. However, you seem to think it's your duty to answer for other people. Feel free to tell me your opinion, just quit telling me what other people intend with their statements. Let them do it.

Thats true. However, you seem to think it's your duty to answer for other people. Feel free to tell me your opinion, just quit telling me what other people intend with their statements. Let them do it.
I didn't tell you what he intended, I told you my opinion and something that he had already said.

Thats true. However, you seem to think it's your duty to answer for other people. Feel free to tell me your opinion, just quit telling me what other people intend with their statements. Let them do it.

Dont be such a jackass havok..... They both have the same opinion on this matter and she was elaborating more clearly the opposite position of yours. If you cant handle debating two people at once then try hanging out in the chit chat sections of AFN... i am sure you can find something more to your speed and pace.

Dont be such a jackass havok..... They both have the same opinion on this matter and she was elaborating more clearly the opposite position of yours. If you cant handle debating two people at once then try hanging out in the chit chat sections of AFN... i am sure you can find something more to your speed and pace. I dont believe i've ever addressed anything to you. Feel free to do the same.

I dont believe I've ever addressed anything to you. Feel free to do the same.

what kinda of back wards bizzaro world do you live in where the residents are seen and not heard? So your telling me in your little neck of the woods everyone just sits down and awaits to be acknowledged by you in order for them to state an opinion or better yet speak??

Well I would like to introduce myself... My name is Brian and it is a pleasure to meet you. I do not think i will be appliyingfor citizenship to your little country there junior so unless you want to have a really big problem and get into argument you have no chance on winning I would suggest you have a coke and a smile and chill the fuck out. :hitout:

what kinda of back wards bizzaro world do you live in where the residents are seen and not heard? So your telling me in your little neck of the woods everyone just sits down and awaits to be acknowledged by you in order for them to state an opinion or better yet speak??

Well I would like to introduce myself... My name is Brian and it is a pleasure to meet you. I do not think i will be appliyingfor citizenship to your little country there junior so unless you want to have a really big problem and get into argument you have no chance on winning I would suggest you have a coke and a smile and chill the fuck out. :hitout:I live in Richmond, Va if that matters for anything.

I guess you take suggestions as orders. Tells a lot about you. You're used to being ordered around, i'd say. I dont make orders or threats on the internet brian. Only little people do.

You're used to being ordered around, i'd say.
:confused: But he's not married.

:lolhit:

Seems like some ninja editting was in place here.... Seems a whole post by havok dissapeared. No worries... I have it all here in "reply to the quote form" Sorry havok if you want to act like a dick head and post an asinine reply and then realize it was a jack ass thing to do,you need to apologize and own up to it... Not take it down and hope no one seen it.



I made a simple statement.?

Yeah you made several statements. All of them made you look like a complete asshole. The more you open your mouth the better you get.


However, i guess you wanna be the internet tuff boy..?

Please dont flatter yourself. Truth is there was nothing happening really interesting in any of the other threads i was in,so once I see your asinine comments,I couldn't resist picking them apart word for word. Sorry... Dont blame me blame boardom...


I'll make a more definitive statement. Fuck you Brian. I dont give a fuck what your opinion is of anything...?

There you go... why are you making this easy for me and taking the fun out of it, When you say things like this, not only are you proving your head is so far up your ass you can see daylight.... you take away the only joy i have in exchanges like this. Almost doesn't even make it worth it.


My earlier statement was a suggestion, not an order.?

You came into a thread and made a comment and then ridiculed anyone else that stated an opinion because you claim you didnt address them first. That sir in anyones book 100% certified,Grade A JACKASS.. Not to mention all the implied shortcomings you must have on a personal level as a catalyst for such dick headed behavior.




You're probably some scrub wanna be mother fucker used to taking orders and you're just not gonna take that here on the internet, huh? I am guessing that your implying I work in a profession that requires me to answer to someone else on the ladder of authority. Well I am currently recovering from a work injury but yes before i was hurt at work I was not at the top of the food chain. More like mid level with a clear view of the next tier. May I ask what your profession is besides Mayor of your own little world where your the only one who matters?

Aww, LF, you shoulda just let him delete the post and forget about it. But you are a lovable little jerk, aren't ya? :D

if he deleted it and tried to be civil i wouldof let him. But he deleted it and put on the more civil tone,to make me look like I was the only one acting like an ass... i couldnt let it go. Sedan has always called people out on it and taught me to look at everything in a post to route out the ninja editting...



I am all for forgiving one putting his foot in ones mouth. I do that almost on a daily basis..... but he tried to fudge things to make himself look like he took the high road... tell you what... if he doesnt reply at all... i will leave it all alone.....

Were they wearing seat belts?


that is a good question,I went back through some of the news articles from around here and not one said anything about them wearing seatbelts.

If one thinks about it,a standard mini van has 7 seat belts. Three in the very back bench seat,2 in the middle and 2 for the front seat. There were 8 passengers. Someone wasn't wearing one.

Seat belts or not,it's tragic

Seems like some ninja editting was in place here.... Seems a whole post by havok dissapeared. No worries... I have it all here in "reply to the quote form" Sorry havok if you want to act like a dick head and post an asinine reply and then realize it was a jack ass thing to do,you need to apologize and own up to it... Not take it down and hope no one seen it. I only hope i didnt offend other people with that post. I should have taken a breath, then calmly posted. I meant every word i said when i posted it, but it wasnt neccessary to phrase it that way.






Yeah you made several statements. All of them made you look like a complete asshole. The more you open your mouth the better you get.
As opposed to your more mature style? :)




Please dont flatter yourself. Truth is there was nothing happening really interesting in any of the other threads i was in,so once I see your asinine comments,I couldn't resist picking them apart word for word. Sorry... Dont blame me blame boardom...Well good, hope i helped to assuage your boredom.



You came into a thread and made a comment and then ridiculed anyone else that stated an opinion because you claim you didnt address them first. That sir in anyones book 100% certified,Grade A JACKASS.. Not to mention all the implied shortcomings you must have on a personal level as a catalyst for such dick headed behavior.
I think i made it plenty clear what i think of your opinion. I'll just leave it at that.




I am guessing that your implying I work in a profession that requires me to answer to someone else on the ladder of authority. Well I am currently recovering from a work injury but yes before i was hurt at work I was not at the top of the food chain. More like mid level with a clear view of the next tier. May I ask what your profession is besides Mayor of your own little world where your the only one who matters? I own and operate a small business. However, i never thought of bestowing upon myself the title of mayor. You may have something there. :)

With all this "if it doesn't hurt anyone else, it should be legal" talk these days.. why are seatbelts even mandatory?

The drunk driver drove drunk, he should be penalized accordingly. Does it matter that he killed people? I don't think so, I've driven home drunk and while I drove the speed limit and kept my eyes on the road like a hawk... I never came close to a collision If I had been pulled over, I should get a DUI. If I get in an accident, I should get reckless driving and a DUI.. the deaths don't really have anything to do with it. If they weren't wearing their seatbelts.. that's on them.

reminds me of a hockey game i saw.. some guy got suspended for like 60 games because he punched another guy in the face out of nowhere. The guy who got punched was in a coma. People punch each other in hockey all the time. While this foul was bitter and evil... if the guy didn't end up in a coma and just got knocked down.. the suspension would have only been like 10 games probably. Do the results of the infraction mean more of a sentence?

Do the results of the infraction mean more of a sentence?Yes.

As opposed to your more mature style?

Your the one that started painting the ugly picture first. Not my fault if i am a better painter than you.



Well good, hope i helped to assuage your boredom.? actually today is a new day and i really think our little contest is all played out. no sense beating a dead horse.


I think i made it plenty clear what i think of your opinion. I'll just leave it at that. Unfortunately this is where i disagree... i do respect everyones opinion whether i agree with it or not. I guess that is my own character flaw.



I own and operate a small business. However, i never thought of bestowing upon myself the title of mayor. You may have something there. :)i am sure you would have a successful run at it. Your a natural with people skills...

Your the one that started painting the ugly picture first. Not my fault if i am a better painter than you.



actually today is a new day and i really think our little contest is all played out. no sense beating a dead horse.


Unfortunately this is where i disagree... i do respect everyones opinion whether i agree with it or not. I guess that is my own character flaw.



i am sure you would have a successful run at it. Your a natural with people skills...
Contest? Better painter? LoL, this is an internet chat board. Nothing to be won or lost here. You take this shit waaaaaay to seriously. :lolhit:

I kind of knew this woman. She belonged to a website for women only...mothers, wives, etc. I had seen her family picture before on the site and I must say that she had a beautiful, blended family. All the women on this site were crushed to hear what happened. We all sent prayers to the survivors and talked about starting a fund for her family as well. This piece of crap, so called man deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars without parole or the death penalty...I'm all for the death penalty. What he did to this woman and her family was outrageous. He walked away with a scratch on his chin as if he had a shaving accident. Drunk drivers are THE worst killers out there today. Dumb, stupid people that have no regard for others lives. :rant:

I kind of knew this woman. She belonged to a website for women only...mothers, wives, etc. I had seen her family picture before on the site and I must say that she had a beautiful, blended family. All the women on this site were crushed to hear what happened. We all sent prayers to the survivors and talked about starting a fund for her family as well. This piece of crap, so called man deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars without parole or the death penalty...I'm all for the death penalty. What he did to this woman and her family was outrageous. He walked away with a scratch on his chin as if he had a shaving accident. Drunk drivers are THE worst killers out there today. Dumb, stupid people that have no regard for others lives. :rant:
I wouldnt say they are the worst killers out there. Im sure he had no intent to harm anyone when he got behind the wheel. His crime is horrible, that is for sure, and he should spend a loooooooong time behind bars. I think the death penalty is a bit much for a drunk driver killing someone. However, he should never get a permit to drive a vehicle if he ever gets out of prison, imo.

I wouldnt say they are the worst killers out there. Im sure he had no intent to harm anyone when he got behind the wheel. His crime is horrible, that is for sure, and he should spend a loooooooong time behind bars. I think the death penalty is a bit much for a drunk driver killing someone. However, he should never get a permit to drive a vehicle if he ever gets out of prison, imo.
I think you're absolutely right. Maybe not the worst killers, but I'd say one of the worst, considering their frequency.

I wouldnt say they are the worst killers out there. Im sure he had no intent to harm anyone when he got behind the wheel. His crime is horrible, that is for sure, and he should spend a loooooooong time behind bars. I think the death penalty is a bit much for a drunk driver killing someone. However, he should never get a permit to drive a vehicle if he ever gets out of prison, imo.

You're right..he should never be allowed to have a permit to drive again...but do you think that's really going to stop him from getting behind the wheel again? Do you know how many drunk drivers that still drive because they think they're above the law? Many. I've read news stories about drunks that have gotten over 13 DUI's only to continue. How they do it and not really do any time is just unthinkable. I said the death penalty because he killed an 8 week old little girl, her siblings and mom. This kind of punishment could be a deterent to scare other fools like him not to drive while intoxicated. I just wish the employees at the Taco Bell would have been able to keep him around a little longer.

I wonder how many people arrested in these fatal alcohol related accidents are driving without a license because it had already been revoked? I bet quite a few.

You take this shit waaaaaay to seriously.

says the ninja editor...




Drunk driving is a funny subject. Alot of gray area.

One can argue while intoxicated,and an accident happens,it was unintentional,and was not meant to happen. It was the booze and the effect of the booze on the person...

HOWEVER another can argue it was free will and premeditation that got the accused in the problem in the first place. I dont know how many times i see a person walk into a bar and get totally plastered knowing his only way home is the car he drove to the bar in the first place. Sure once the booze takes over you may not have total control over your actions... But it was the choice of a clear sober mind that let you get to that point in the first place