don't take this the wrong way Angelina,but maybe you should stop fanning the flames with this. If you go back and read both threads,after you left yesterday very little was said and people were there joking around and stuff.
You reply in both of them and I can guarantee by Monday morning it's going to be an all out war again.
Stating an opinion is fine,but when all it's doing is keeping something like this going,ask yourself,is it worth it?

If I responded to every little thing someone said about me or my opinions,I'd have been banned a long time ago.

But I would very much like to continue the debate in the other thread without all the insults. It is a very interesting debate afterall... I don't see any problem with doing that, why would there?

well then,you go right ahead and continue it,but remember,you're not exempt from the insulting. I'm sure Frogger would find being called a "dribbling moron" an insult.

well then,you go right ahead and continue it,but remember,you're not exempt from the insulting. I'm sure Frogger would find being called a "dribbling moron" an insult.

He got a good head start on that one and I have lost all respect for the guy whatsoever and honestly couldn't care less about that.

Like Frogger has said, you insult people's faith, you're going to get reactions. Definite trollish behavior.

I'd have to disagree with you here kimi. It's easy to claim that something that someone else said made us angry, or that insulting certain things will get certain reactions, but we are responsible for our own reactions, and we're certainly responsible for what we say to one another, regardless of any perceived provocation.

It has been said here, and I'm sure many Christians believe it, that atheists say hateful things about God, Jesus, and Christians far more than Christians insult atheists and their beliefs. This thread would seem to show just the opposite.

I would say that to avoid threads degenerating into insult fests, atheists need to be cognizant of the reactions they may engender with their statements and couch their phrases accordingly, and Christians need to be more Christian in their responses. :)

He got a good head start on that one and I have lost all respect for the guy whatsoever and honestly couldn't care less about that.


this is what I'm talking about.....let it go.
Do you understand here I'm trying to give some friendly helpful advice? I haven't been here all that long,but I do know when someone who's been around a forum alot longer gives me advice,I usually listen and give it some thought.

I would say that to avoid threads degenerating into insult fests, atheists need to be cognizant of the reactions they may engender with their statements and couch their phrases accordingly, and Christians need to be more Christian in their responses. :)

I will certainly try :)

But as the good men in the videos I posted starts their debate with, no matter how much you tone down your opinion when disagreeing with religion, the majority will always take offense. These guys are professionals in the area and has long realized this.

this is what I'm talking about.....let it go.
Do you understand here I'm trying to give some friendly helpful advice? I haven't been here all that long,but I do know when someone who's been around a forum alot longer gives me advice,I usually listen and give it some thought.

Yes, I appreciate the advice, and although I haven't been here that long, I have been in 100s of discussions about religion, science, philosophy and psychology before. The best way, so that you can keep debating in the topics who interest you, is to just ignore the morons and focus on those who actually can lead a meaningful debate. Which is what I intend to do.

Vile,

Despite Angelina's attempts to make it seem she was only voicing an opinion as part of a debate that is not what happened.

She posted, "God is a jerk", at the end of a post as an addendum whose sole purpose was to enflame.

You suggested that Christians in Allforums are as guilty as atheists when it comes to insulting the other group's beliefs. I have to disagree with you on that. Read the post of people like Freethinker in which believers are insulted left and right. Perhaps you, Prae and some other atheists do not deal in insults but that is far from universal in Allforums.

I don't think you will find many, if any, posts in which Christians insult atheists for their beliefs. They may dialogue with them concerning differences in belief but I don't remember a Christian ever saying all atheists are deluded fools or similar words.

The attacks on belief systems have come almost exclusively from the atheist camp.

Bye the way...........did you receive the package sent? It should be arriving any day.

Bye the way...........did you receive the package sent? It should be arriving any day.Sorry vile, it completely slipped my mind. Is it too late to get something in the mail?

I don't think you will find many, if any, posts in which Christians insult atheists for their beliefs.
I know SMW has, and then there's plenty of folk in the news like Fred Phelps and George H.W. Bush. Bush, you may recall, said that atheists are not citizens of this country.

I'm not defending insults, but I think it's silly to say that only one group of people has done it. The only person on this board who I can say has never insulted anyone else is Brooks. That's the only one I can think of.

Vile,

Despite Angelina's attempts to make it seem she was only voicing an opinion as part of a debate that is not what happened.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I understand that you, and some others found what she said to be offensive.


She posted, "God is a jerk", at the end of a post as an addendum whose sole purpose was to enflame.

Frankly Frogger, she doesn't strike me as someone who makes posts for the sole purpose of "inflaming" people. I do understand that some found her remark offensive, and I think perhaps she could have expressed herself better in this instance, but overall, she didn't hurl nearly as many insults as some others have in this thread.


The attacks on belief systems have come almost exclusively from the atheist camp.

That's because religious people are the ones with the rigidly defined belief systems. :)

I think another part of the problem is when a perceived attack upon God is responded to with an attack on the person uttering the blasphemy. It's difficult for an atheist to understand how a religious person can conflate an attack upon God as an attack upon themselves, and this leads to some confusion.


Bye the way...........did you receive the package sent? It should be arriving any day.

I have not yet...will it be ticking? ;)

I have not yet...will it be ticking?
Only the small, seperate package meant for you personally will be ticking. Do you know how hard it is fitting a powder charge and all those nails in a small box?

I have not yet...will it be ticking? ;)
Not if you admit you're a believer. Oh, and make it convincing....those evil atheists are everywhere...and they have a nasty habit of blowing up abortion clinics. :eek:

I have not yet...will it be ticking?
Only the small, seperate package meant for you personally will be ticking. Do you know how hard it is fitting a powder charge and all those nails in a small box?
God will help, Frogger. After all, what good is he if he doesn't??? ;)

See what I'm saying? I'm apologizing, yet I'm being told it was a "fake" apology and I had evil intentions by attempting it. Now what am I supposed to do other than laugh and shake my head?

Oh, I know, Borg, can you find that /facepalm thingy with Picard?

Don't bother with it any more, Angelina. You are a lot like another poster, who you've heard of by now, Warrior. She was never wrong, either, and just couldn't understand how these mean people could keep responding to her hatefulness and whining. You've just become kind of a gnat-type, as far as I'm concerned. I don't like warring with anybody, so I'm through with this subject and with any interraction with you. It's a waste of energy and time, negative to boot.

I apologize to the rest of the posters for allowing myself to become involved in the nastiness. It's truly not my style. I would have never said anything if Angelina hadn't started with the insults toward Christians. She can gloss is over and conveniently forget the entire post she made that riled me, and that's fine, too. Denial seems to be all too common on this forum, especially when a negative energy descends on the group.

I have tried to get involved in other areas of this forum, besides the SMW thread, and every time I do, I regret it. I see snide remarks made about those of us who do not contribute or post in other areas of the forum, and this particular incident has only reminded as to why I generally steer clear of the so-called "heated" topics.

~deposits .02~

Good day to you all,
Kimi

Whoa, whoa, kimi... Yes, Angelina doesn't believe that she's wrong in the matter of religion - but neither do you. She genuinely apologized for the fact that she offended you, which she did not mean to do, and then you compare her with Warrior?? I think that's a little harsh.

Whoa, whoa, kimi... Yes, Angelina doesn't believe that she's wrong in the matter of religion - but neither do you. She genuinely apologized for the fact that she offended you, which she did not mean to do, and then you compare her with Warrior?? I think that's a little harsh.

And, I think I was addressing Angelina, DF. As much as I appreciate your desire to referee the discussions here, I wasn't talking to you, okay? You think she was genuine, I do not. I also see some similarities between Angelina and Warrior, in their attitudes, posting styles, etc. Thanks for your input, regardless.

Whoa, whoa, kimi... Yes, Angelina doesn't believe that she's wrong in the matter of religion - but neither do you. She genuinely apologized for the fact that she offended you, which she did not mean to do, and then you compare her with Warrior?? I think that's a little harsh.

DF, in case you don't get it... this whole fiasco isn't about anybody being RIGHT or WRONG.. it's about having respect for another person's beliefs.

Angelina came here for no other reason than to torment people who believe in God. Kimi didn't insult her beliefs... and neither did I. But we did protest her insulting ours.

In that way... she's EXACTLY like Warrior. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she IS Warrior, simply wearing a foreign hat.

The funniest part of this whole scenario was Borg popping in after she left and saying something like, "WHAT????? The only reason you came here was to provoke the holier-than-thou's??"

Geesh, get a clue, dude. Wasn't that obvious from the get-go?

SMW

And, I think I was addressing Angelina, DF. As much as I appreciate your desire to referee the discussions here, I wasn't talking to you, okay? You think she was genuine, I do not. I also see some similarities between Angelina and Warrior, in their attitudes, posting styles, etc. Thanks for your input, regardless.
I know you were talking to Angelina, but I don't think that "Only respond to posts addressed specifically to you." is one of the rules here. It's just my opinion that you're being too harsh on her. Warrior was a troll who attacked everyone she talked to. Angelina is not like that, in my opinion.

It's also my opinion that many of the things she has said were out of line, and of course if I had posted just that (therefore agreeing with you), you wouldn't be mocking me for "refereeing".

DF, in case you don't get it... this whole fiasco isn't about anybody being RIGHT or WRONG.. it's about having respect for another person's beliefs.

Angelina came here for no other reason than to torment people who believe in God. Kimi didn't insult her beliefs... and neither did I. But we did protest her insulting ours.

Geesh, get a clue, dude. Wasn't that obvious from the get-go?
See, here you go assuming that you know my opinion again. I don't think it was right for Angelina to phrase her opinions in such an insulting way. However, I don't think she really knew until afterwards just how insulted people would be. She apologized to Kimi, and I think she meant it. Of course, I can't prove that, but why would she apologize if she wasn't actually sorry? That just makes no sense.

I know you were talking to Angelina, but I don't think that "Only respond to posts addressed specifically to you." is one of the rules here. It's just my opinion that you're being too harsh on her. Warrior was a troll who attacked everyone she talked to. Angelina is not like that, in my opinion.

It's also my opinion that many of the things she has said were out of line, and of course if I had posted just that (therefore agreeing with you), you wouldn't be mocking me for "refereeing".

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I, and I never said anything about rules. I was hoping maybe you would see that it gets a little tiresome for you to jump in and scold those of us you think need to be scolded, if you are not the one being addressed on a specific issue. I truly believe you are smart enough to get that. As for the comparison between Warrior and Angelina, I said I see "similarities"...I didn't say she was EXACTLY like her.

Like I said, I was addressing Angelina, so I don't feel the need to continue this with you, nothing personal, okay?

, but why would she apologize if she wasn't actually sorry? That just makes no sense.

.......because she wasn't sorry and her apology wasn't sincere.......;)

See, here you go assuming that you know my opinion again. I don't think it was right for Angelina to phrase her opinions in such an insulting way. However, I don't think she really knew until afterwards just how insulted people would be. She apologized to Kimi, and I think she meant it. Of course, I can't prove that, but why would she apologize if she wasn't actually sorry? That just makes no sense.

Me, assuming?? When you said:

Yes, Angelina doesn't believe that she's wrong in the matter of religion - but neither do you. AND However, I don't think she really knew until afterwards just how insulted people would be. She apologized to Kimi, and I think she meant it. Of course, I can't prove that,

I'd say that pretty much sums up who's doing the assuming here! I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish with this. Ang might've made a lame attempt to apologize to Kimi after she realized what a mess she made by starting this thread... but she certainly never apologized to me.

Since you seem to be speaking for her, wanna apologize to me for what she said about my God? Regardless, I won't let her hug me either, but you never know, it might make YOU feel better if we all kissed and made up, huh?

;)
SMW

I wasn't "scolding" anyone! You posted something that I didn't agree with, and I thought I had the right to post my opinion on the issue... Apparently now disagreeing is "scolding".

Since you seem to be speaking for her, wanna apologize to me for what she said about my God? Regardless, I won't let her hug me either, but you never know, it might make YOU feel better if we all kissed and made up, huh?
Of course it would. I like it when people get along and don't attack each other. I don't expect that to actually happen though.

it's about having respect for another person's beliefs.

How ironic.

Angelina came here for no other reason than to torment people who believe in God. Kimi didn't insult her beliefs... and neither did I. But we did protest her insulting ours.

More irony!

In that way... she's EXACTLY like Warrior. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she IS Warrior, simply wearing a foreign hat.

So.... Say you started a thread with the intention of casting ugly aspersions upon those who don't believe in god, calling them "haters" and implying that they'd caused murders to happen. And say those who don't believe in god protested your absurd accusations and insults. And say their protests were so overwhelming that, in order to continue believing that you were right and everyone else was wrong (because of course, that's always the case!), you tried to make the case that their response to being called "haters" only proved that they really were haters and that you were their poor, innocent victim.

Wouldn't that make you "EXACTLY like Warrior," too?

:thumbs:

Way to go, SMWarrior!

How ironic.



More irony!



So.... Say you started a thread with the intention of casting ugly aspersions upon those who don't believe in god, calling them "haters" and implying that they'd caused murders to happen. And say those who don't believe in god protested your absurd accusations and insults. And say their protests were so overwhelming that, in order to continue believing that you were right and everyone else was wrong (because of course, that's always the case!), you tried to make the case that their response to being called "haters" only proved that they really were haters and that you were their poor, innocent victim.

Wouldn't that make you "EXACTLY like Warrior," too?

:thumbs:

Way to go, SMWarrior!

Crawl back in your hole, Frannie. Nobody rattled your cage.

:taser:

I somewhat disagree with you there, Frannie, but I'm not allowed to elaborate because that would be "scolding" or "refereeing" or something like that... Or maybe it's different when I'm sticking up for SMW or one of her gang? I should ask her permission to state my opinion on this. :rolleyes:

I somewhat disagree with you there, Frannie, but I'm not allowed to elaborate because that would be "scolding" or "refereeing" or something like that... Or maybe it's different when I'm sticking up for SMW or one of her gang? I should ask her permission to state my opinion on this. :rolleyes:

DF - you're too smart for that, girl. Don't take something that was pointed out to you and make more out of it that it was, okay?

DF - you're too smart for that, girl. Don't take something that was pointed out to you and make more out of it that it was, okay?
I'm not! You said that responding to posts that aren't directed towards me, and disagreeing with them, was scolding. I guess I'll just sit quietly over here until I'm spoken to again then...

So.... Say you started a thread with the intention of casting ugly aspersions upon those who don't believe in god, calling them "haters" and implying that they'd caused murders to happen. And say those who don't believe in god protested your absurd accusations and insults. And say their protests were so overwhelming that, in order to continue believing that you were right and everyone else was wrong (because of course, that's always the case!), you tried to make the case that their response to being called "haters" only proved that they really were haters and that you were their poor, innocent victim.

Here's what I said on that thread everyone seems to want to keep alive. And I believe it today even stronger than when I posted it. Why? Because people like Angelina keep popping up to prove how right I am about atheists spreading HATE. Unlike Angelina's noodle-god, this isn't a mere insult... it's the proven TRUTH.

Originally Posted by smartmouthwoman
I don't believe they'll have to look far to find out the murders of innocent people were a result of the ever-increasing paranoia among young atheists in this world. Hate breeds hate.

I was no victim in that atheist feeding frenzy... I was the target because I believe in God. And I was deeply saddened by the hatred I witnessed there. Not because it was directed to me... but because it exists in the first place.

Shame on you, Frannie. You're one of the biggest haters here. I've NEVER seen you post anything positive. Might want to think about what all that hate does to your insides. I hear it really ages one before their time.

SMW

So.... Say you started a thread with the intention of casting ugly aspersions upon those who don't believe in god, calling them "haters" and implying that they'd caused murders to happen. And say those who don't believe in god protested your absurd accusations and insults. And say their protests were so overwhelming that, in order to continue believing that you were right and everyone else was wrong (because of course, that's always the case!), you tried to make the case that their response to being called "haters" only proved that they really were haters and that you were their poor, innocent victim.QUOTE]

Here's what I said on that thread everyone seems to want to keep alive. And I believe it today even stronger than when I posted it. Why? Because people like Angelina keep popping up to prove how right I am about atheists spreading HATE. Unlike Angelina's noodle-god, this isn't a mere insult... it's the proven TRUTH.



I was no victim in that atheist feeding frenzy... I was the target because I believe in God. And I was deeply saddened by the hatred I witnessed there. Not because it was directed to me... but because it exists in the first place.

Shame on you, Frannie. You're one of the biggest haters here. I've NEVER seen you post anything positive. Might want to think about what all that hate does to your insides. I hear it really ages one before their time.

SMW
ROFL. I'll say this about you, SMW, when you go into crazy person mode, you're good for a lot of laughs.

I'm not! You said that responding to posts that aren't directed towards me, and disagreeing with them, was scolding. I guess I'll just sit quietly over here until I'm spoken to again then...

~sigh~

Okay....but you're twisting it and making more of it than was intended. I pointed out that I, myself, have noticed that you tend to jump in and speak for other people, a little too often. I have no argument with you, honestly, and apologize if I hurt your feelings.

I'm just about done with All Forums, anyway. It's been real, and some of it's been fun, but a lot of it hasn't been real fun. There are too many chips on too many shoulders and I prefer to spend my time in a more positive environment...(I'm not talking about you, either, so please don't take it that way).

CYA

ROFL. I'll say this about you, SMW, when you go into crazy person mode, you're good for a lot of laughs.

You say 'crazy person mode' I say 'passionate'.

You oughta hear what I have to say about sex!

:woohoo:

Crawl back in your hole, Frannie. Nobody rattled your cage.

:taser:



Yeah, I know it was a humbling experience exposing your own hatred in such a public way. So humbling, in fact, that I'm surprised the lesson didn't sink in. Yet here you are, the queen of hate and hypocrisy, playing the victim yet again.

Poor SMWarrior! :bighug:

You oughta hear what I have to say about sex!
Good lord, and this is not the first time you've come on to me. I'm sorry, but I think I'm a bit...young for you.

Yeah, I know it was a humbling experience exposing your own hatred in such a public way. So humbling, in fact, that I'm surprised the lesson didn't sink in. Yet here you are, the queen of hate and hypocrisy, playing the victim yet again.

Poor SMWarrior! :bighug:

You're wrong, Frannie. I don't hate anybody. Never have.

But that doesn't mean I might not stop on the way home and wring a few chickens necks... you know, just for good luck?

:lolhit:

Good lord, and this is not the first time you've come on to me. I'm sorry, but I think I'm a bit...young for you.

Don't flatter yourself, sweetie. From what I hear, DF was too much woman for you, and I sure don't wanna see you get hurt!

:lolhit:

Good lord, and this is not the first time you've come on to me. I'm sorry, but I think I'm a bit...young for you.
ROFL!!! Oh my, now that was funny.

Don't flatter yourself, sweetie. From what I hear, DF was too much woman for you, and I sure don't wanna see you get hurt!

:lolhit:
:lolhit: OK, that one was hilarious too! :D

Wow. Threats to do violence to my pets in some weird metaphorical way.

And you call me the hater....

Wow. Threats to do violence to my pets in some weird metaphorical way.

And you call me the hater....

Oh... those chickens are your PETS? I thought they were your DINNER!!!

Sorry.

*burp*

If you wanna stop by KFC, I'll be glad to have them replaced.

I think perhaps she could have expressed herself better in this instance, but overall, she didn't hurl nearly as many insults as some others have in this thread.





She does need to understand she's just as guilty as others,I don't think she understood that cause as I was trying to point that out to her,she went onto another thread to call Frogger a "dribbling moron".
And she totally disregarded that when I also pointed that out to her. She may not have hurled the same amount of insults,but she did her part to keep it going even after others let it go and moved onto joking around.





And did you happen to see the title of this thread Vile? It is the insult thread:lolhit:

Don't flatter yourself, sweetie. From what I hear, DF was too much woman for you, and I sure don't wanna see you get hurt!
The only thing Borg would get hurt by here is the reckless amounts of seasoned, ground-up stupid. I'm still wondering what you did to Foolsworth.

I'm still wondering what you did to Foolsworth.
Whoa, whoa... SMW made him that way? I'm afraid! :eek:

The only thing Borg would get hurt by here is the reckless amounts of seasoned, ground-up stupid. I'm still wondering what you did to Foolsworth.ROFL!!Whoa, whoa... SMW made him that way? I'm afraid! :eek:Be very, very afraid. :eek: :eek:

I was no victim in that atheist feeding frenzy... I was the target because I believe in God.
Noooooo - for the umpteenth fucking time, you were "targeted" because you held up the bible as "proof" of god's existence. :rolleyes:

That's not a "belief". It's patent lunacy.

Noooooo - for the umpteenth fucking time, you were "targeted" because you held up the bible as "proof" of god's existence. :rolleyes:

That's not a "belief". It's patent lunacy.
She's talking about a different thread, Prae...

Which one then?

Which one then?
The one that she started about the people getting shot at a church somewhere... When she predicted that the killer would be an atheist and accused atheists of spreading hate and being responsible for murdering Christians even if the guy wasn't an atheist.

The one that she started about the people getting shot at a church somewhere... When she predicted that the killer would be an atheist and accused atheists of spreading hate and being responsible for murdering Christians even if the guy wasn't an atheist.
She's still harping on about that? And still denying that she was acting like a crazy person in that thread?

come on Borg... put this thread out of its misery...

lock it up.

Not 'til we get to hear from SMW!

I haven't INSULTED yet on this thread.
Maybe that's what the guy is waitin on.
I don't play the sheep game.

just another happy day in the neighbourhood...lol
Needs a drink for more of this..

Not 'til we get to hear from SMW!

i believe she is three doors down on the left. There is a "SMW SPEAKS" title on the door... Just go on in and make yourself at home. I can draw a map if you need....

i believe she is three doors down on the left. There is a "SMW SPEAKS" title on the door... Just go on in and make yourself at home. I can draw a map if you need....

Will there bee Coffee & Donuts.?

Bwa Haa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

If nappy wanders into the SMW speaks thread there will certainly be fireworks... definetly will beworth the price of a movie on PPV

If nappy wanders into the SMW speaks thread there will certainly be fireworks... definetly will beworth the price of a movie on PPV

Egad...don't encourage him ;)

Egad...don't encourage him ;)

SMW's a Guy ?

Hmm.No wonder I'm havin a problem relating.

I haven't INSULTED yet on this thread.
Maybe that's what the guy is waitin on.
I don't play the sheep game.
we have another thread for general insults, you idiot!:rant:

(does that make you feel better?)

SMW's a Guy ?

Hmm.No wonder I'm havin a problem relating.
you're a woman? no wonder no one understands you:lolhit:

SMW's a Guy ?

Hmm.No wonder I'm havin a problem relating.

Err...no...I was referring to Napster...

He's tried to get me to do it a few times, I'd just rather not. Maybe if I got paid?

Err...no...I was referring to Napster...

You Err'd but say NO.
I don't err often,but say Nay.

He's tried to get me to do it a few times, I'd just rather not. Maybe if I got paid?

Hmm...What did Mr.Smarty try and git ya ta dude...again.?

She's still harping on about that? And still denying that she was acting like a crazy person in that thread?

I'm sure if you can READ, Borg, you must be aware I'm not the one who keeps bringing up that embarrassing performance by the atheists on this thread... including YOU. Angelina revived the subject in an effort to use it for ammo (it didn't work), then Frannie brought it up again for the same reason. *yawn*

And BTW, I not only proved my point (ATHEISTS SPREAD HATE), I wasn't the crazy person in that thread... it was the atheists who proved how hateful you (they) are... all I had to do was sit back and watch them gather like a herd of jackels when they smelled Christian blood being spilled.

Here's some interesting statistics (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html). What an outnumbered bunch you non-believers are. Might wanna think about moving to some intelligently superior (according to Prae) country like Finland where 60% of the population are atheists. Now why am I not surprised that a country that places so much emphasis on it's citizens receiving 'instruction' also has so many people who don't believe in God? Funny, but I haven't ever heard a cry go out to Finland to help solve any complicated world problems. No, "CALL THE FINS, THEY'RE REAL SMART!" Guess they're really not quite as smart as Prae might believe, eh? At least not about anything that really matters.

SMW

Here's some interesting statistics (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html). What an outnumbered bunch you non-believers are. Might wanna think about moving to some intelligently superior (according to Prae) country like Finland where 60% of the population are atheists.
Those certainly are interesting statistics, SMW. Quite telling, too. Ironically enough, it ranked the atheist nations in a frighteningly similar way to another list I saw that ranked the most educated people, by country. Hmmmmmm. Go figure.
Now why am I not surprised that a country that places so much emphasis on it's citizens receiving 'instruction' also has so many people who don't believe in God?
What? You mean like in commie-hardened countries such as Sweden, Norway, Canada, Germany, Japan and Britain? Yeah.....I'm your real garden-variety Stalin type, alright. Good point. Pffffft - :rolleyes:

Maybe the fact that you're a product of our public education system is why (to me, at least) it's not surprising you processed the info like this.
Funny, but I haven't ever heard a cry go out to Finland to help solve any complicated world problems. No, "CALL THE FINS, THEY'RE REAL SMART!"
Nooooooo - they don't have the requisite funding to "solve" complicated world problems (or the political power to coerce certain world leaders), but either way, I wouldn't wanna test my language, science, or math aptitude against one (and my IQ is 2.5 to 3 standard deviations above average). I guess I'm just smart enough to realize that, on average, they're a little smarter than we are. What's your excuse? You seem to like stats, so if you don't believe me, look 'em up.
Guess they're really not quite as smart as Prae might believe, eh? At least not about anything that really matters.

SMW
Aside from making some of the most respected and technologically sophisticated breakthroughs in the medical industry (i.e., as in QUITE POSSIBLY, MAKING ONE OF THE GREATEST DISCOVERIES IN THE LAST 50 YEARS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO: they used enzymes to convert any blood type to type O....Henrik Clausen, a professor at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark, published research in the April 1st issue of Nature Biotechnology describing a way to convert any kind of blood into Type O -- the type that almost anyone can tolerate. He discovered enzymes that shear the problem - causing sugars from the surfaces of A, B and AB type red blood cells to bond. Produced by bacteria, the molecular machines could theoretically turn any kind of blood into Type O. Clausen and his colleagues described their search for the pacifying proteins in his scientific journal, which DIRECTLY led to it being done here in the US), the communications industry (as in, they're the digital leaders in Europe), the building and space age materials dept., intelligent and functional design, modular housing, wind, nuclear, hydro, geothermal, hydrogen & fuel cell, and biodiesel developments, you may have a point.

Wow, if only we could be as effective at their size....

Might wanna think about moving to some intelligently superior (according to Prae) country like Finland where 60% of the population are atheists.

Hm. Didn't know so many Finns were atheists. But it goes a long way in explaining why I liked it there so much. The people were great!

Now why am I not surprised that a country that places so much emphasis on it's citizens receiving 'instruction' also has so many people who don't believe in God?

I'm not sure I see the downside to Finns "receiving instruction."

Finnish teenagers' skills in maths, science, and reading were rated the best among the forty countries assessed in the OECD's latest PISA study of schoolchildren worldwide.

PISA, The Programme for International Student Assessment, is a three-yearly appraisal of 15 year olds in the principal industrialised countries, organised by the OECD, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Finnish 15 year olds came top this time in reading literacy, maths, and science. In problem solving the Finnish youngsters lost narrowly to South Korea. Finland's mean scores were 40 to 50 points higher than the OECD average of approximately 500 points.

Finland's success in the PISA surveys has focused widespread international attention on the country's school system, as other international assessments here have produced similar results.

In the German press, for example, almost 300 articles have been written about the Finnish school system in recent times. And thousands of teachers and other educators have come here to see it for themselves. --Finnish School System (http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=41557)

The world could do a lot worse than follow the Finns' lead in education.

Funny, but I haven't ever heard a cry go out to Finland to help solve any complicated world problems. No, "CALL THE FINS, THEY'RE REAL SMART!" Guess they're really not quite as smart as Prae might believe, eh? At least not about anything that really matters.

Actually, over the years, Finns have played major roles in negotiating several very complicated and deadly international crises. General Ensio Siilasvuo was instrumental in brokering peace between Israel and Egypt. Max Jakobson was a key player in negotiating the international Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Martti Ahtisaari played important roles in securing the independence of Namibia and brokering peace in Kosovo. I wouldn't classify any of this as unimportant on a global scale.

You might consider, though, how interesting it is that the very people whose dedicated efforts have actually ended violence and killing in so many places are atheists, and so very often the people starting the violence and killing are, um, not.

Make of that what you will....

Those certainly are interesting statistics, SMW. Quite telling, too. Ironically enough, it ranked the atheist nations in a frighteningly similar way to another list I saw that ranked the most educated people, by country. Hmmmmmm. Go figure.

What? You mean like in commie-hardened countries such as Sweden, Norway, Canada, Germany, Japan and Britain? Yeah.....I'm your real garden-variety Stalin type, alright. Good point. Pffffft - :rolleyes:

Maybe the fact that you're a product of our public education system is why (to me, at least) it's not surprising you processed the info like this.

Nooooooo - they don't have the requisite funding to "solve" complicated world problems (or the political power to coerce certain world leaders), but either way, I wouldn't wanna test my language, science, or math aptitude against one (and my IQ is 2.5 to 3 standard deviations above average). I guess I'm just smart enough to realize that, on average, they're a little smarter than we are. What's your excuse? You seem to like stats, so if you don't believe me, look 'em up.

Aside from making some of the most respected and technologically sophisticated breakthroughs in the medical industry (i.e., as in QUITE POSSIBLY, MAKING ONE OF THE GREATEST DISCOVERIES IN THE LAST 50 YEARS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO: they used enzymes to convert any blood type to type O....Henrik Clausen, a professor at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark, published research in the April 1st issue of Nature Biotechnology describing a way to convert any kind of blood into Type O -- the type that almost anyone can tolerate. He discovered enzymes that shear the problem - causing sugars from the surfaces of A, B and AB type red blood cells to bond. Produced by bacteria, the molecular machines could theoretically turn any kind of blood into Type O. Clausen and his colleagues described their search for the pacifying proteins in his scientific journal, which DIRECTLY led to it being done here in the US), the communications industry (as in, they're the digital leaders in Europe), the building and space age materials dept., intelligent and functional design, modular housing, wind, nuclear, hydro, geothermal, hydrogen & fuel cell, and biodiesel developments, you may have a point.

Wow, if only we could be as effective at their size....

Oh, gimme a break, Prae. Smart people figured out they could harvest wheat, grind it into flour and make bread a long time ago, too... so what does that prove? Not everything in life is about 'book learnin,' dear. And in fact, in my personal opinion, too much education is nearly as bad for people as too little. There comes a point where people STOP thinking on their own and become mindless zombies to what the prof/book/video/link says. Angelina's staunch atheist beliefs underlines her failure to evolve past her student phase, even at the ripe ole age of 30.

You're much too easily impressed, dumplin. Especially by what you think might be a pretty face.

:flowers:
SMW

There comes a point where people STOP thinking on their own and become mindless zombies to what the prof/book/video/link says.

Yup. And you're their poster child. :p

Hm. Didn't know so many Finns were atheists. But it goes a long way in explaining why I liked it there so much. The people were great!



I'm not sure I see the downside to Finns "receiving instruction."



The world could do a lot worse than follow the Finns' lead in education.



Actually, over the years, Finns have played major roles in negotiating several very complicated and deadly international crises. General Ensio Siilasvuo was instrumental in brokering peace between Israel and Egypt. Max Jakobson was a key player in negotiating the international Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Martti Ahtisaari played important roles in securing the independence of Namibia and brokering peace in Kosovo. I wouldn't classify any of this as unimportant on a global scale.

You might consider, though, how interesting it is that the very people whose dedicated efforts have actually ended violence and killing in so many places are atheists, and so very often the people starting the violence and killing are, um, not.

Make of that what you will....

Let's get all the Finnish facts out there, eh?

They also have a president who looks exactly like Conan O'Brien. Check her out! Man, I'm impressed... whatta country!!

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-02-14-obrien-finland_x.htm

:lolhit:

I'm so glad that you don't insult people..

I'm so glad that you don't insult people..

Whoever said I don't insult people? All I ever said was I don't insult ANYONE'S religious (or lack of) beliefs... and I don't hate anybody.

Doesn't exactly mean I must therefore think Finland's president is another Angelina Jolie, does it?

:lolhit:

All I ever said was I don't insult ANYONE'S religious (or lack of) beliefs...

I dunno, you've said repeatedly and with great gusto that "atheists are haters" and stated emphatically that atheists are responsible for the murders that some people do. I'd say that's pretty insulting.

:rolleyes:

They're pretty eder-cated in Finland, it seems.

I've also read they're the most wired country on earth.

I mean, what else is there for them to do? For excitement, they watch the eaves drip.

I dunno, you've said repeatedly and with great gusto that "atheists are haters" and stated emphatically that atheists are responsible for the murders that some people do. I'd say that's pretty insulting.

:rolleyes:

And how is what atheists do MY fault?

LOTS of them HATE (which the self-proclaimed atheists of Allforums continue to prove) and some of them actually KILL the people they hate (like the young man in Colorado who screamed I HATE CHRISTIANS!).

That's not insults, Frannie.. that's the awful truth.

And I really wish you'd drop this whole subject. You're NOT going to catch me saying anything scandalous about atheists' beliefs, so quit trying to prod me into something with your constant badgering.

I've said nothing I'm ashamed of. If atheists don't like what I have to say about them, maybe they better toughen up that ole skin a little. Might get MUCH hotter'n Allforums at some point in their existence.

Might not, either.

Who knows?

:D
SMW

And how is what atheists do MY fault?

How is what crazy religionists do atheists' fault?

LOTS of them HATE (which the self-proclaimed atheists of Allforums continue to prove) and some of them actually KILL the people they hate (like the young man in Colorado who screamed I HATE CHRISTIANS!).

That's not insults, Frannie.. that's the awful truth.

I'm willing to bet my house that more Christians have killed in the name of their god than atheists have for any reason. Please try to prove me wrong (your tap dancing is so entertaining!).

And I really wish you'd drop this whole subject. You're NOT going to catch me saying anything scandalous about atheists' beliefs, so quit trying to prod me into something with your constant badgering.

I know how stupid you must feel about the whole thing; the stupider thing is, you still don't get it. You seem to be determined to insult people who don't believe in your god. You go out of your way to do it. You even start threads to insult those who aren't religious. Your claim that you "don't insult ANYONE'S religious (or lack of) beliefs" is total and complete bullshit.

And we've got the thread where you begged that your insults be deleted, and when you couldn't make it all go away, you changed your opening post (not because you were ashamed or embarrassed, surely!) to prove it.

So shut the fuck up about insults, mm'k?

How is what crazy religionists do atheists' fault?



I'm willing to bet my house that more Christians have killed in the name of their god than atheists have for any reason. Please try to prove me wrong (your tap dancing is so entertaining!).



I know how stupid you must feel about the whole thing; the stupider thing is, you still don't get it. You seem to be determined to insult people who don't believe in your god. You go out of your way to do it. You even start threads to insult those who aren't religious. Your claim that you "don't insult ANYONE'S religious (or lack of) beliefs" is total and complete bullshit.

And we've got the thread where you begged that your insults be deleted, and when you couldn't make it all go away, you changed your opening post (not because you were ashamed or embarrassed, surely!) to prove it.

So shut the fuck up about insults, mm'k?

Calm down, Frannie. And wipe that little spittle of foam off the corner of your mouth.

Re the subject you insist on rehashing, I only added to the opening post on the Colorado thread, I didn't delete a WORD. Your insistence that I did is rather desperate... even for you. There are enough subsequent posts containing quotes of the original post to prove you're wrong about that. I would have gone back and deleted every single post I made on that thread if I'd had the time. Not because I said anything I regretted... but because I regretted getting sucked into the discussion in the first place. And for the record, I requested that the whole thread be deleted... not just my comments. I was ashamed for the bunch of you.

Really, girl... ever considered counseling?

PROVE to me where I've ever insulted anyone's beliefs and I'll kiss your prize chicken... right on the lips!

:corn:

Oh, gimme a break, Prae. Smart people figured out they could harvest wheat, grind it into flour and make bread a long time ago, too... so what does that prove?
That technology has come a long way, and if you wanna stay in the fold, then you should take pride in learning new things. On that note, quantum physics is a tad more involved than milling flour is.
Not everything in life is about 'book learnin,' dear.
Never said it was, but I certainly wouldn't disparage it.
And in fact, in my personal opinion, too much education is nearly as bad for people as too little. There comes a point where people STOP thinking on their own and become mindless zombies to what the prof/book/video/link says.
I'd say that problem can affect certain lifelong academics, yes. Trust me, those people bug the shit outta me too, but the reverse of what you're proffering here is true as well. That being the case, I prefer speaking to people who are intellectually curious enough to (at least, at a very minimum) LOOK at the evidence in the first place.
Angelina's staunch atheist beliefs underlines her failure to evolve past her student phase, even at the ripe ole age of 30.
You're, quite possibly, the only person I've ever talked to that thinks learning is a bad thing. Truth be told, I'd like to go back to school (which is exactly what Angelina's doing; operative words here – going BACK). There's a lot more I'd like to know about science, math, and philosophy, but as of right now, it's not practical or financially prudent.
You're much too easily impressed, dumplin. Especially by what you think might be a pretty face.
Not only is that comment unfair, it's rude. I mean, it couldn't possibly be because I understand her perspective on the bible (or science, for that matter), could it??? :rolleyes:

That technology has come a long way, and if you wanna stay in the fold, then you should take pride in learning new things. On that note, quantum physics is a tad more involved than milling flour is.

Never said it was, but I certainly wouldn't disparage it.

And what 'fold' would that be, Prae? My point is... people figured out how to make flour from wheat withOUT quantum physics. Not saying science AND education aren't wonderful things! But believe it or not, the 'fold' will survive without either one.

I'd say that problem can affect certain lifelong academics, yes. Trust me, those people bug the shit outta me too, but the reverse of what you're proffering here is true as well. That being the case, I prefer speaking to people who are intellectually curious enough to (at least, at a very minimum) LOOK at the evidence in the first place.

You're, quite possibly, the only person I've ever talked to that thinks learning is a bad thing. Truth be told, I'd like to go back to school (which is exactly what Angelina's doing; operative words here – going BACK). There's a lot more I'd like to know about science, math, and philosophy, but as of right now, it's not practical or financially prudent.

LOL, yeah... I've known quite a few 'lifelong students' myself. After all, it's easy to convince yourself you have a such a hunger for knowledge, you MUST KEEP GOING TO SCHOOL. Beats hell out of working for a living!

Not only is that comment unfair, it's rude. I mean, it couldn't possibly be because I understand her perspective on the bible (or science, for that matter), could it??? :rolleyes:

Well, allow me to apologize if that comment was unfair and hurt your feelings. The only thing I ever saw you and Ang agreeing about was insulting Christians. But I sure didn't follow you into a PM, so I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. (should I???)

Not saying science AND education aren't wonderful things! But believe it or not, the 'fold' will survive without either one.
Sure it will. It did in the time of cavemen, so by parallel, why wouldn't it now....? I think I finally understand your logic.
Well, allow me to apologize if that comment was unfair and hurt your feelings. The only thing I ever saw you and Ang agreeing about was insulting Christians. But I sure didn't follow you into a PM, so I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. (should I???)
Rest assured, I've never sent her a PM, and in answer to your question, no, you shouldn't have.

Sure it will. It did in the time of cavemen, so by parallel, why wouldn't it now....? I think I finally understand your logic.

Rest assured, I've never sent her a PM, and in answer to your question, no, you shouldn't have.

Well then... again, I apologize for thinking you were just trying to impress her. But I still prefer that to thinking you actually felt a philosophical kinship with her.

:flowers:

I just read all your posts. Its amazing that someone is going out of their way to put down the Finnish. They are one of the most civilized people on this planet. Their thinking has truly transcended most of the world's population. I ask you SMW, have you ever been to Finland or Sweden? Go there and see how a peaceful people live and learn. And don't give me that "well if you love it sooo much why don't you move there?".

I just read all your posts. Its amazing that someone is going out of their way to put down the Finnish. They are one of the most civilized people on this planet. Their thinking has truly transcended most of the world's population. I ask you SMW, have you ever been to Finland or Sweden? Go there and see how a peaceful people live and learn. And don't give me that "well if you love it sooo much why don't you move there?".

Get a grip, Mesk. Just because Prae ran you off the Hillary thread, don't come over here looking for a fight.

I think the Fins are perfectly marvelous people. (OK, so their president is butt-ugly... ain't her fault.)

They are truly one of the most civilized people on this planet and we should all fall down on our knees and worship their transcended selves.

:worship:
SMW

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Get a grip, Mesk. Just because Prae ran you off the Hillary thread, don't come over here looking for a fight.

I think the Fins are perfectly marvelous people. (OK, so their president is butt-ugly... ain't her fault.)

They are truly one of the most civilized people on this planet and we should all fall down on our knees and worship their transcended selves.

:worship:
SMW

**The above is a paid political announcement brought to you by the good folks at NOKIA.**


Just to let you know I wrote that before I saw Prae's comment. I am leaving AFN. You go on believing the myth that is Jesus and keep living in fear. You go on with your racist and hate. People like you are taking this country back 200 years becuase some GAWD in the sky will save you. You are a true idiot lady. BYE. IT WAS NICE KNOWING ALL OF YOU HERE EXCEPT SMW.

Err...no...I was referring to Napster...

Nappy's a guy? No wonder I was having trouble understanding him.:lolhit:

Let's look at the initial post that started this thread. Angelina began the thread complaining that people were throwing insults at her. She knew why the insults were being thrown..........because she insulted all people of faith who post here by saying, "god is a jerk."

Did she try to defuse the situation? No, in fact she did just the opposite. She tried to further inflame it by posting, "Yes, god is a jerk, now c'mon!"

Angelina knew that by posting the same statement yet again she would further inflame what was already a bit of a volatile situation. She acted exactly as a troll would. She tried to stir the pot and get people upset.

Hai, can all you people who disagree with me and feel the need to throw personal insults at me do it here, so that the other thread can get back on topic and become civilized again?

Yes, god is a jerk, now c'mon!

:hitout:

(I love you all)

Edit: I don't love you all in the "Tucker" way though, that is just weird!

Yes, she definitely knew what she was doing.

Well, I don't think you guys are gonna have to worry anymore - the "hater" probably isn't coming back. Must've been all the understanding she was getting for posting her opinion.

You know, the Muslims aren't too receptive when it comes to differing opinions either. It's a good thing we don't grab our guns when someone offends our "god", I guess. :(

Let's look at the initial post that started this thread. Angelina began the thread complaining that people were throwing insults at her. She knew why the insults were being thrown..........because she insulted all people of faith who post here by saying, "god is a jerk."

Did she try to defuse the situation? No, in fact she did just the opposite. She tried to further inflame it by posting, "Yes, god is a jerk, now c'mon!"

Angelina knew that by posting the same statement yet again she would further inflame what was already a bit of a volatile situation. She acted exactly as a troll would. She tried to stir the pot and get people upset.
This thread is not about Angelina anymore. Seems to me this is another thread SMW has derailed due to her rampant hypocrisy and, as Nappy put it, seasoned, ground stupidity. If Angelina is a troll, then SMW is one as well.

It's a good thing we don't grab our guns when someone offends our "god", I guess. :(
Bombing abortion clinics?

Bu...bu...but that would make us, like, Muslim-lite, wouldn't it?

Well, I don't think you guys are gonna have to worry anymore - the "hater" probably isn't coming back. Must've been all the understanding she was getting for posting her opinion.

You know, the Muslims aren't too receptive when it comes to differing opinions either. It's a good thing we don't grab our guns when someone offends our "god", I guess. :(

Oh, please, Prae...understanding for posting her opinion??? That's putting it very mildly.

Prae,

No one threatened her life. No one told her to go fuck herself. No one hoped she would swallow glass and die.

People expressed their disgust with what she said. She knew when she posted it that she would get a strong reaction. If she couldn't take it she shouldn't have started the brouhaha.

If she is so thin skinned and childish that she expects to be allowed to post nasty comments with no retort then she shouldn't let the proverbial door hit her in the ass on the way out.

Prae,

Saying I don't believe God exist, is posting an opinion. Saying God is a jerk, is trying to stir up shit through trollish behavior. Repeating the statement, God is a jerk, when you know you have upset people by it previously is truely trollish behavior.

You know, I agree with you, Frogger. I definitely support Angelina's right to say whatever she wants in whatever manner she wants, but if she can't take the heat she should get the hell out of the kitchen. There's a reason that I rarely involve myself in the more heated and insult-filled arguments; I am a sensitive person, and I know I couldn't handle most of the hate spewed around here if it was directed towards me. Therefore, I keep my posts at least moderately civil, and I expect the same civility in return. :)

Oh, please, Prae...understanding for posting her opinion??? That's putting it very mildly.
Offensive as it was, Kimi - that's all it was - her opinion. Disagreement is fine, and I understand your complaint that she was looking to 'stir the pot' by stating openly that, "god's a jerk", but what I don't understand is why you'd take her comment so PERSONALLY. Your relationship with your god is your own - no one else’s, and what does it say in the bible about that? Turn the other cheek, or something to that effect? The thread that started THIS thread was all about her fomenting an argument that had NOTHING to do "hating" god OR Christianity; it was about her logically disproving SMW's claim that the bible was "proof" of god's existence. That's it.

Prae,

Jesus would have turned the other cheek, but then, Jesus is perfect.

I am not perfect. I am fallable flesh with all the shortcomings of fallable flesh.

Jesus would turn the other cheek but if you insult my God I will, instead, beat the living shit out of you.

See, I'm just not perfect like Jesus is.

Being someone who never really shys away from a debate(fight) on here i have read this whole thread and personally i think the angelica poster gave alot of shit but took alot of shit too. It had to be clear to her getting into this exchange she was going to have the less popular opinion of the two and she would be handling replies in her own defense from multiple people. She still went through and posted her opinion.

Sure at times she might of pushed the envelope and tippy toes on the line,but I dint think she crossed it. Upon reading this thread she even mentions some of the people went back and edited their past post to prevent her from making points. Those accusations where never answered,so who knows what really happened..

I think the fact of her breaking from the original thread and making this one was a classic message board trick,and those who were opposing her opinion got even more pissed off at the tactic. I personally applauded at the little trick. It is clear this women has been in this situation before.

No one here was really insulted.This wasn't like the fights that tend to go on in the political section. Looking back this was the most friendliest pissing contest i even seen. The angelica poster bit off a huge chunk and if she did infact leave over it,then that chunk was more than she could possibly chew. I dont think she was bullied or pushed out that door.