Why are you laughing out loud, Frannie?

I am happy Hillary won. I want her to be the Democrat candidate.

Frannie doesn't support Hillary, Frogger... at least she didn't yesterday.

Maybe she's just happy to be alive today???

:flowers:

Why are you laughing out loud, Frannie?

I am happy Hillary won. I want her to be the Democrat candidate. Who would you like to see be the Republican candidate?

If Obama was smart he would come onto this forum and get a few samples of Shamans posts and display them to the world as what a Hillary supporter looks like. She would probably concede tomorrow.

Why are you laughing out loud, Frannie?

I just find it humorous when the sheeple who slurp up their particular party's bushwah and rush to spread it around

"Hillary's ready to quit the race!"

find out how silly the whole idea was to start with.

Of course, I hold out no hope that you'll stop sucking it up as fast as they spoon it out, but maybe next time you won't feel quite so compelled to rush over here and breathlessly share the latest super-retardo talking points with us.

:)

Like Bush? He (Romney) ran businesses in other nations. Into the ground.
Prove it, and I'll show his résumé. He's a turnaround genius, a Baker Scholar, and a Harvard MBA grad. I'll put him up against anybody in the intellect dept.

Outside of his religious devotion (which I find objectionable, to say the least), he operates like an old school conservative.

My father likes him. I'm not sure about him. It seems as though he may let his religion guide him too much.
Concerning Romney, that's my biggest gripe with the man.

I just find it humorous when the sheeple who slurp up their particular party's bushwah and rush to spread it around



find out how silly the whole idea was to start with.

Of course, I hold out no hope that you'll stop sucking it up as fast as they spoon it out, but maybe next time you won't feel quite so compelled to rush over here and breathlessly share the latest super-retardo talking points with us.

:)

Geesh, Frannie. Guess I was mistaken about your 'just being happy today' mood, eh?

Might wanna keep in mind the elections are coming up and there'll probably a lot of commentary about all the candidates by posters around here. "Sucking it up as fast as they spoon it out" will no doubt occur hourly as things progress. I suggest you get yourself a supply of Valium. It's gonna be a long, l-o-n-g year, dear... especially if you get upset at every comment made about the current status of a particular candidate. IOW, you probably shouldn't expect everyone to hold their tongue to keep from upsetting YOU.

;)
SMW

especially if you get upset at every comment made about the current status of a particular candidate.

"Upset?" Dude, I'm laaaffffing!

IOW, you probably shouldn't expect everyone to hold their tongue to keep from upsetting YOU.

Hmmm. I seem to remember you getting so upset about what others had to say that you actually changed your thread-starting post (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=33380)to whine about being abused by all the "haters."

:thumbs:

You two are funny. You should tie the knot already. :)

You two are funny. You should tie the knot already. :)

She'd never have me. *crushed*

[QUOTE=Frogger]Mr. Shaman
Senior Member Join Date: Dec 12, 2003
Location: Bizarro Bushworld
Posts: 2,664

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogger
Like Mark Twain reports of Billary's deth may be exaggerated. She might be squeaking by with a one or two percentage point win in NH. Personally, I hope she is the Democrat candidate because I think she would be a weaker candidate than Obama.

Nice spin.

Shamin, you are not only the most obnoxious poster on Allforums, you are also the biggest ass on Allforums.

Please explain how saying Hillary might win New Hampshire by one or two percentage points, something she did by the way, is spin. Saying I prefer her as a candidate over Obama could not be considered spin either except by the dumbest of the dumb, a category you have proven yourself a member of time and time again.

I look forward to reading more of your posts as they illustrate how truely simple minded certain people can be. Anyone can be nasty but it takes someone special to be unbelievably dumb and nasty at the same time.

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Well,I would definately ruther have Obama as the Dem Candidate,than Hillary.
Not because Obama is even remotely qualified to handle the immense
job as pres,but more because HJillary IS Dangerous.She's Dangerous,right
Now as a mere Junior Senator.
She would quite possibly make Chavez/Castro seem like
Chatty kathy dolls.
Hillary is meglomanical,selfish,always conniving thru triangulation
and equivocation.There's virtually NOTHING Authentic or believable
about her,but her many and vast character flaws.
She would,if elected,almost single-handidly destroy Our Military.
Would stick her 2 cents into the CIA/FBI to the detriment of
security,future progress and ability to unravel bad guys.
She'd,in short order,have many saluting her,wearing brown uniforms
{ She was a Brownie & girl scout} and mandatorily have huge glossy
portraits of her in the surrogate offices.
One wood hafta be smitten with the Clinton Plague virus,to even
consider,in the worse of their nightmares,to pull the lever for another
Clinton.

"Upset?" Dude, I'm laaaffffing!



Hmmm. I seem to remember you getting so upset about what others had to say that you actually changed your thread-starting post (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=33380)to whine about being abused by all the "haters."

:thumbs:

Yeah, you're right. I got upset about that one... could've had something to do with a bunch of Christian hate-mongers ganging up on me and calling me an idiot for believing in God. Believe you were in that crowd too, right? Smelled blood and came a'runnin.

Unless you've REALLY got a warped sense of right & wrong though, can't see where that comes close to comparing your foaming at the mouth over Frogger celebrating a Hillary defeat.

Oh wait... you really do have a warped sense of right & wrong, don't you?

Nevermind. Rant on, sistah! We expect no less.

:corn:

She'd never have me. *crushed*

Makes my skin crawl everytime I see my hometown listed on her profile!

~shudder~

Yeah, I'm a little worried that, if elected, she'd start throwing temper tantrums on the front lawn if one of her grandiose plans got vetoed.One day she's cold and calculating, the next she's an emotional basket case. Everyone seems to have a different opinion. And we all know what opinions are like.She would,if elected,almost single-handidly destroy Our Military. Actually our military did a great job in Iraq - on the military objectives. And, as everyone knows, thanks to long lead times, Bush's military machine was created by William Jefferson Clinton. Who, with any luck, will have a prominent position in the next administration.

One day she's cold and calculating, the next she's an emotional basket case. Everyone seems to have a different opinion. And we all know what opinions are like. Actually our military did a great job in Iraq - on the military objectives. And, as everyone knows, thanks to long lead times, Bush's military machine was created by William Jefferson Clinton. Who, with any luck, will have a prominent position in the next administration.

Fine with me.. as long as his position isn't on a Tempurpedic next to the president.

Aw, hell -- on second thought, bet those two haven't slept in the same bed for years now. Ya think?

:lolhit:

One day she's cold and calculating, the next she's an emotional basket case.
Uhhh, that's describing women in a nutshell.

Bush's military machine was created by William Jefferson Clinton.
WTF are you talking about!?!?

The military the Bush used to win in Iraq was created by Clinton

So I guess that means, by parallel, Bush Sr. created Clinton's military...

Skewed logic aside, Clinton did more damage to our military than any president in history.

Uhhh, that's describing women in a nutshell.

Not ALL women, Prae. There've been some very strong, very capable women in politics through the years... but unfortunately, they were ahead of their time. Barbara Jordan has always been one of my favs (Democrat or not) and I hope she's reincarnated someday and WILL run for president.

Some of her quotes:

"We, the people". It is a very eloquent beginning. But when that document was completed, on the seventeenth of September in 1787, I was not included in that "We, the people". I felt somehow for many years that George Washington and Alexander Hamilton just left me out by mistake. But through the process of amendment, interpretation, and court decision I have finally been included in "We, the people."

"My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total. And I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution."

"The U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform decries hostility and discrimination against immigrants as antithetical to the traditions and interests of the country. At the same time, we disagree with those who would label efforts to control immigration as being inherently anti-immigrant. Rather, it is both a right and a responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest."

"If the impeachment provision in the Constitution of the United States will not reach the offenses charged here, then perhaps that 18th-century Constitution should be abandoned to a 20th-century paper shredder."

"Don't call for black power or green power. Call for brain power."

"It is reason, and not passion, which must guide our deliberations, guide our debate, and guide our decision."

She was a great stateswoman.

The military the Bush used to win in Iraq was created by Clinton

Clinton Defunded the Military,closed many bases under his watch
and also was LOATHED by the Military.
You've ben eatin too many Animal Crackers.

My thoughts exactly.

Perhaps we didn't need all those bases open out in Hooterville and Podunk

But if we left 'em in operation they could've been wiped off the map by "global warming" tornados. Two birds with one stone, right, Fluffer?

Yeah, you're right. I got upset about that one... could've had something to do with a bunch of Christian hate-mongers ganging up on me and calling me an idiot for believing in God.

You've completely mischaracterized the entire thing (no surprise there) – nobody called you an idiot for believing in God, they called you a hypocrite for calling atheists "haters" when the person spreading all the hate was YOU, beginning with your very first post.

your foaming at the mouth

Anyone see me foaming? Anyone? Bueller? I always thought :lolhit: indicated "laughing at something/someone" not "foaming at the mouth." Thanks for clearing that up!

over Frogger celebrating a Hillary defeat.

A. Frogger was doing nothing more than spreading stupid (and WRONG) party line talking points.

B. Hillary wasn't defeated.

Nevermind. Rant on, sistah! We expect no less.

I'm quite confident that the thinking people here know who the real hypocrite/hater/foaming ranter is between the two of us. If you're really interested in the answer, maybe you could start a poll. :)

You've completely mischaracterized the entire thing (no surprise there) – nobody called you an idiot for believing in God, they called you a hypocrite for calling atheists "haters" when the person spreading all the hate was YOU, beginning with your very first post.



Anyone see me foaming? Anyone? Bueller? I always thought :lolhit: indicated "laughing at something/someone" not "foaming at the mouth." Thanks for clearing that up!



A. Frogger was doing nothing more than spreading stupid (and WRONG) party line talking points.

B. Hillary wasn't defeated.



I'm quite confident that the thinking people here know who the real hypocrite/hater/foaming ranter is between the two of us. If you're really interested in the answer, maybe you could start a poll. :)

*yawn*

A. Frogger was doing nothing more than spreading stupid (and WRONG) party line talking points.

B. Hillary wasn't defeated.



I realize that living among all those chickens has diminishedwhatever intellectual ability you may once have had but the above is dumb even for you.

I was not spreading party line talking points. For that to be the case it would have had to be only Republicans saying she might withdraw from the race. Unless you think John Edwards is a Republican that simply was not the case. Many Democrats thought Hillary would lose in New Hampshire and were planning their future race tactics on this fact.

You're right, Hillary won. I guess you missed the post where I said there was a good chance she would win in New Hampshire by one or two percent. I guess that was just a case of me spreading more of those stupid, party talking points.

I was not spreading party line talking points. For that to be the case it would have had to be only Republicans saying she might withdraw from the race. Unless you think John Edwards is a Republican that simply was not the case. Many Democrats thought Hillary would lose in New Hampshire and were planning their future race tactics on this fact.

Well, let's look at the so-called *hakkaf* "quotes" from your original post....

"Her money is going to dry up," Edwards confided, a top source said Monday morning.

Who said that, Frogger? Edwards or some unidentified "top source?" And who does this "top source" belong to - Edwards' camp or Hillary's? Or maybe Drudge's?

Key players in Clinton's inner circle are said to be split.

Who said they're split, Frogger? Clinton's key players or some unnamed nobody that has no clue what actually happens in Clinton's inner circle?

"She did not work this hard to get out after one state! All this talk is nonsense," said one top adviser.

Ah yes, another mysterious "top adviser." :thumbs:

But others close to the former first lady now see no possible road to victory, sources claim.

"Others close to the former first lady." "Sources claim." :rolleyes:


I guess that was just a case of me spreading more of those stupid, party talking points.

You should watch that, dude. Makes you look stupid when you're so wrong.

*yawn*

Well, I guess that's me told, eh? :thumbs:

You would be really funny, Frannie if you weren't being serious. That being the case you are more scarey than funny; scarey in that you are living life sans a clue.

You accused me of spreading the party talking line. You;; ;might want to deny it but everyone knows which party you were talking about and it wasn't Hillary's party.

I guess you think John Edwards is a member of that party whose talking points I was spreading. You also seem quite upset that the people in Hillary's campaign did not wish to be mentioned by name.

Get real, Frannie, your posts are becoming more and more bizarre.

You would be really funny, Frannie if you weren't being serious. That being the case you are more scarey than funny; scarey in that you are living life sans a clue.

You accused me of spreading the party talking line. You;; ;might want to deny it but everyone knows which party you were talking about and it wasn't Hillary's party.

I guess you think John Edwards is a member of that party whose talking points I was spreading. You also seem quite upset that the people in Hillary's campaign did not wish to be mentioned by name.

Get real, Frannie, your posts are becoming more and more bizarre.

What concerns me the most is how anyone can be so SERIOUS about this stuff at this stage of the political game? Anything can happen during the next 10 months. I guess we're not supposed to speculate on what anything means until the final votes are counted, huh?

Understand lots of Hillary's financial supporters (esp those overseas... you know, the illegal ones?) threatened to pull back their funding after she lost in Iowa. Prob why she was all teary-eyed. She pulled out NH with such a tiny margin, her problems ain't exactly over yet.

It may prove to be an interesting race after all.

;)
SMW

I guess you think John Edwards is a member of that party whose talking points I was spreading.
But in her defense, Frogger, that was her point. It wasn't John Edwards who made the aforementioned statement; it was an unnamed "top source".

What concerns me the most is how anyone can be so SERIOUS about this stuff at this stage of the political game? Anything can happen during the next 10 months. I guess we're not supposed to speculate on what anything means until the final votes are counted, huh? We can at least wait until Super Tuesday before we start declaring the winner. Anyone who takes the Iowa caucuses serously should have their head examined.

Understand lots of Hillary's financial supporters (esp those overseas... you know, the illegal ones?) threatened to pull back their funding after she lost in Iowa. Prob why she was all teary-eyed.Which muckraking right-wing cesspool site did you find that in?

It may prove to be an interesting race after all. Agreed, for once.

I don't like Hillary, but how is she an "emotional basket case" for being sad when she lost and happy when she won??

The teary eyed coffee shop event + independants voting for McCain put her over the top in NH, but I wonder - if a male candidate had teary eyed then he'd be out.

Really - the next president of the US should not be getting teary eyed when things don't quite go to plan. I have no problem with a woman president, but crying just isn't going to cut it.

Really - the next president of the US should not be getting teary eyed when things don't quite go to plan. I have no problem with a woman president, but crying just isn't going to cut it.
Um... So now the president isn't allowed to have emotions? That's insane.

Um... So now the president isn't allowed to have emotions? That's insane.
Of course not. Remember 2004? People jumped all over Dean for getting excited at a rally. Now they're jumping all over Clinton for choking up a little. I am no fan of Clinton, but for god's sake, I don't see what the big deal was about her "incident". Lord. Can't we talk about issues instead?

Of course not. Remember 2004? People jumped all over Dean for getting excited at a rally. Now they're jumping all over Clinton for choking up a little. I am no fan of Clinton, but for god's sake, I don't see what the big deal was about her "incident". Lord. Can't we talk about issues instead?
Exactly. If a male candidate got a little teary eyed, I don't think people would make fun of him. I think people would applaud him for being open about his emotions... But a woman does it, and she's hysterical and an "emotional basket case".

If a male candidate got a little teary eyed, I don't think people would make fun of him. I think people would applaud him for being open about his emotions...

Huh?!?

In ultra-macho America??!

Surely you jest.

Exactly. If a male candidate got a little teary eyed, I don't think people would make fun of him. I think people would applaud him for being open about his emotions... But a woman does it, and she's hysterical and an "emotional basket case".

History is lost on the young. Try Edmund Muskie.

History is lost on the young. Try Edmund Muskie.True enough, but that was 1972.

I don't see anyone deriding Mitt Romney when he chokes up these days.

Leaders have to deal with tough situations and it takes a tough person to be a leader. Valid or not crying is not seen as a sign of strength.

Hilary's tearing up was another calculated manipulation to bolster her standings, much the same as continuing to remain married despite being publicly humiliated by her husband's behaviors.

Hilary's tearing up was another calculated manipulation .....

Wow.

Thanks, Kreskin.

The teary eyed coffee shop event + independants voting for McCain put her over the top in NH, but I wonder - if a male candidate had teary eyed then he'd be out.

Really - the next president of the US should not be getting teary eyed when things don't quite go to plan. I have no problem with a woman president, but crying just isn't going to cut it.

Well good grief... now I agree with Drew AND Freethinker. Maybe the world really is coming to an end!

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[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]What concerns me the most is how anyone can be so SERIOUS about this stuff at this stage of the political game? Anything can happen during the next 10 months. I guess we're not supposed to speculate on what anything means until the final votes are counted, huh?

Understand lots of Hillary's financial supporters (esp those overseas... you know, the illegal ones?) threatened to pull back their funding after she lost in Iowa. Prob why she was all teary-eyed. She pulled out NH with such a tiny margin, her problems ain't exactly over yet.

It may prove to be an interesting race after all.

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No,Madame.The Candidates are droppin out like flies.
Theres no point in staying in unless one is a top tier candidate.
Take Romney for instance.Even though he's lost the gold twice and
settled for Silver { 2nd place } Has HAS The Most amount of Delegates.
And yer Boy { The Latino Richardson } hasn't the name recognition
to raise finds or votes past a 5th place.
So,yer Political savvy is showing...Like N O T !

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]What concerns me the most is how anyone can be so SERIOUS about this stuff at this stage of the political game? Anything can happen during the next 10 months. I guess we're not supposed to speculate on what anything means until the final votes are counted, huh?

Understand lots of Hillary's financial supporters (esp those overseas... you know, the illegal ones?) threatened to pull back their funding after she lost in Iowa. Prob why she was all teary-eyed. She pulled out NH with such a tiny margin, her problems ain't exactly over yet.

It may prove to be an interesting race after all.

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No,Madame.The Candidates are droppin out like flies.
Theres no point in staying in unless one is a top tier candidate.
Take Romney for instance.Even though he's lost the gold twice and
settled for Silver { 2nd place } Has THE Most amount of Delegates.
And yer Boy { The Latino Richardson } hasn't the name recognition
to raise funds or votes past a 5th place.
So,yer Political savvy is showing...Like N O T !

Hushup Fool... you're repeating yourself.

;)
SMW

Huh?!?

In ultra-macho America??!

Surely you jest.
For once, you and I are in complete agreement. I'd tear him a new asshole.

For once, you and I are in complete agreement. I'd tear him a new asshole.

Just as I knew that you would And so would millions of other American men who are, due to their upbringing, ashamed or afraid to show much if any emotion.

As for me, it would only make me more receptive to that candidate to see him reveal himself as human, and capable of tears when something very emotional happened.

As for me, I cried when my son was born and I saw him for the very first time.....why, i do not know. The tears were a complete surprise, and came unbidden. I think i was just so awestruck and so thankful and.........I don't know. I just know that I cried and I was not ashamed.

So I do think that there are reasons for males to shed tears that are not shameful. I know that I am probably at odds with most every **red blooded** male in the rest of the oh-so-macho U.S. of A., but that's the way i feel about it.

Just as I knew that you would And so would millions of other American men who are, due to their upbringing, ashamed or afraid to show much if any emotion.
Showing emotion is fine - crying in public isn't.
As for me, it would only make me more receptive to that candidate to see him reveal himself as human, and capable of tears when something very emotional happened.
If that endears you to a candidate, then so be it. I want a strong person in office.
As for me, I cried when my son was born and I saw him for the very first time.....why, i do not know.
Uhh, because he's your son, maybe!?!? That's a very different thing, FT...
The tears were a complete surprise, and came unbidden. I think i was just so awestruck and so thankful and.........I don't know. I just know that I cried and I was not ashamed.
And you shouldn't be.
So I do think that there are reasons for males to shed tears that are not shameful.
Sure, but receiving unfavorable election results shouldn't qualify.
I know that I am probably at odds with most every **red blooded** male in the rest of the oh-so-macho U.S. of A., but that's the way i feel about it.
I understand.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
As for me, it would only make me more receptive to that candidate to see him reveal himself as human, and capable of tears when something very emotional happened.



If that endears you to a candidate, then so be it. I want a strong person in office.

Ok, Prae. We seem to understand one another very well.

I guess the difference between you and I is that if I saw a candidate overcome with emotion by losing something they regarded (as no doubt many of the current candidates do) as being of near life-and-death importance, I would not immediately conclude -- ""Aha! this person is showing WEAKNESS and cannot possibly govern the nation!""

To me, being emotional is not a disqualification for office. In some ways, it might even be a positive.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20080111/spo080110.gif

The person who drew that comic has the intellectual capacity of a six year old. What idiocy.

IOW.........it ought to play very well with the Conserative faction.

If that artist wanted to send the true picture to Joe Sixpack, he should concoct a cartoon incorporating this statement ---

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." _________George Bush

The person who drew that comic has the intellectual capacity of a six year old. What idiocy.

IOW.........it ought to play very well with the Conserative faction.
Nice. :rolleyes:

Nice. :rolleyes:

Thanks.

I knew you'd like it.

:thumbs:

I think that the "man rules" permit men to cry when their children are born and when they're watching Braveheart... :lolhit:

I think that the "man rules" permit men to cry when their children are born and when they're watching Braveheart... :lolhit:
Seeing Mel Gibson's ass sure as hell made me cry, I don't know about the rest of you...

Huge Victory in Nevada!

"The day after our victory in New Hampshire, the Culinary workers endorsed Senator Obama. The Chicago Tribune noted at the time that the endorsement gave Senator Obama a "significant advantage" because it is the largest and best organized labor group in the state. With nine caucus sites essentially set up for members of the Culinary union, it's no wonder why Jon Ralston, Nevada's leading political analyst, noted that the Culinary Workers' "impact is going to be significant."

And yet the exit polls are showing that the supporters of Hillary Clinton rejected these tactics. Exit polls show she won the union vote, won across all income groups and won heavily among those around Las Vegas, sweeping Clark County. The Latino vote backed Hillary by over 3 to 1, and Democrats voted for her by a wide margin (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5318)."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/01/19/PH2008011901756.jpg

Huge Victory in Nevada!

"The day after our victory in New Hampshire, the Culinary workers endorsed Senator Obama. The Chicago Tribune noted at the time that the endorsement gave Senator Obama a "significant advantage" because it is the largest and best organized labor group in the state. With nine caucus sites essentially set up for members of the Culinary union, it's no wonder why Jon Ralston, Nevada's leading political analyst, noted that the Culinary Workers' "impact is going to be significant."

And yet the exit polls are showing that the supporters of Hillary Clinton rejected these tactics. Exit polls show she won the union vote, won across all income groups and won heavily among those around Las Vegas, sweeping Clark County. The Latino vote backed Hillary by over 3 to 1, and Democrats voted for her by a wide margin.
Nevada is one of those states with a lot of old people. For whatever reason, old people love Hillary. Probably because she promises them things.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: Huge Victory in Nevada!


"The day after our victory in New Hampshire, the Culinary workers endorsed Senator Obama. The Chicago Tribune noted at the time that the endorsement gave Senator Obama a "significant advantage" because it is the largest and best organized labor group in the state. With nine caucus sites essentially set up for members of the Culinary union, it's no wonder why Jon Ralston, Nevada's leading political analyst, noted that the Culinary Workers' "impact is going to be significant."

And yet the exit polls are showing that the supporters of Hillary Clinton rejected these tactics. Exit polls show she won the union vote, won across all income groups and won heavily among those around Las Vegas, sweeping Clark County. The Latino vote backed Hillary by over 3 to 1, and Democrats voted for her by a wide margin (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5318)."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/01/19/PH2008011901756.jpg
:woohoo: :banana::woohoo: :thumbs:

Nevada is one of those states with a lot of old people.
Whew!! That's who's doin' all of the expansion-work (http://www.grid.unep.ch/activities/global_change/atlas/images/LasVegas.jpg), there??!!! :eek:

The witch may not be dead yet but she is in intensive care and it is only a matter of time. She is even losing among her staunchest base, women.

Ding, dong the witch is (almost) dead.:woohoo:

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Hillary are n o quiter. she will win. they will count votes i n Flordeida.
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Why would they suddenly count the votes in Florida? Would it be because Hillary won?

She agreed that the Florida votes would not be counted but now that she won in the state she wants them counted. What a hypocrite.

Why would they suddenly count the votes in Florida? Would it be because Hillary won?

She agreed that the Florida votes would not be counted but now that she won in the state she wants them counted. What a hypocrite.

Did you expect anything else from the Democrat old guard? They live by the win at all cost, "if you can't win it, steal it" mantra.

They live by the win at all cost, "if you can't win it, steal it" mantra.


Thats actually the Republican mantra. It worked for them in 2000 and 2004.

Thats actually the Republican mantra. It worked for them in 2000 and 2004.

Are you talking about when the Republicans tried to prevent the votes of overseas military people from counting? Perhaps you are talking about the attempt to have the state supreme court which your party controlled keep the vote recount going longer than allowed by the Florida legislature? Maybe you are talking about having recounts only in selected districts where your party has an advantage in registration. Or you might even be talking about having your allies in the media say the polls are closed in Florida even though they were still open in the part of the state where the oppossing party had the most voters.

I can understand your anger at this attempt to steal the election. The only problem is it was the Democrats who did all these things.

I share your anger at that naked attempt to steal an election.

Are you talking about when the Republicans tried to prevent the votes of overseas military people from counting? Perhaps you are talking about the attempt to have the state supreme court which your party controlled keep the vote recount going longer than allowed by the Florida legislature? Maybe you are talking about having recounts only in selected districts where your party has an advantage in registration. Or you might even be talking about having your allies in the media say the polls are closed in Florida even though they were still open in the part of the state where the oppossing party had the most voters.

I can understand your anger at this attempt to steal the election. The only problem is it was the Democrats who did all these things.

I share your anger at that naked attempt to steal an election.
Oh please. Both parties do dirty things to try to win an election, including voting fraud. Claiming it's restricted to one party or another (and cherrypicking examples to fit your partisan viewpoint) is to be deliberately ignorant. The party in power is always the one that gets accused, but no one ever talks about the dirty things the loser did.

Oh please. Both parties do dirty things to try to win an election, including voting fraud.

I agree. But you have to admit that the Republicans have been far, FAR more resourceful and successful at it.

If the Idiot Son had not been (in contravention to the actual vote count and the laws) handed the pResidency in 2000, this country would be in far better shape.

It is doubtful that anyone would have been as abysmal a failure as G W has been.

I agree. But you have to admit that the Republicans have been far, FAR more resourceful and successful at it.

If the Idiot Son had not been (in contravention to the actual vote count and the laws) handed the pResidency in 2000, this country would be in far better shape.

It is doubtful that anyone would have been as abysmal a failure as G W has been.

I dunno, i look outside, everyone seems happy. The employment rate is good, the economy is good (although some are trying to predict the weather and call a recession before there actually is one)... The country might not be how you personally want it, but I think you exaggerate Bush's mishaps like an insecure man exaggerates his penis size.

I dunno, i look outside, everyone seems happy. The employment rate is good, the economy is good (although some are trying to predict the weather and call a recession before there actually is one)... The country might not be how you personally want it, but I think you exaggerate Bush's mishaps like an insecure man exaggerates his penis size.
Decka, trust me, we're headin' for a recession, man. By all reasonable measurements, we're already in one.

That said, I agree that it's being blown out of proportion. We hit a minor recession almost every decade.

It is doubtful that anyone would have been as abysmal a failure as G W has been.

Except for you maybe.

Except for you maybe.
He'd go beyond "failure" - he'd fuckin' RUIN us economically. His political manifesto would read as the longest suicide note in history. Bush couldn't hold a candle to the isolationist cancer he'd propagate. Businesses would collapse, and we'd wither and die as a nation. You think blowing a trillion dollars on a "misguided" war is bad? If FT were given carte blanche, he'd cost us 5 times that in his first term alone on lost revenue.

Borg,

Our resident lefty loony, dharmabum, said the Republicans stole the election. I was trying to educate him, admittedly a Herculean task, to the fact that the same could be said of the Democrats. Since that was my purpose why would I give examples of Republican chicanery.

You are right, both sides of the political aisle engage in 'dirty politics'. You know it and I know it. One of the few who doesn't seem to know it is dharmabum.

Despite my dislike of Hillary Rodham Clinton, (oops, I used her middle name.......sure hope Overdose doesn't yell at me), I hope she wins the nomination. I think she would be much easier to defeat in the general election. The only downside is she might actually win and I would much prefer Barack Hussein Obama, (again with the middle name) to the witch.

Despite my dislike of Hillary Rodham Clinton, (oops, I used her middle name.......)

No **oops** necessary, sir.

Certain people still use her middle name (as you do Obama's) for the same reason that the rest of the rabid Right began using it; as a means of deriding her and casting thinly veiled criticism at her.

I do not see any other politician's middle names being used on a regular basis. There is a reason why those on the Right choose to do it.

What criticism is attached to the name Rodham?

What criticism is attached to the name Rodham?

I don't get it either. I have long thought that she was the one pushing for it to be used, way back when bubba was running for national office.

How about William Jefferson Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Warren G. Harding, John Quincy Adams, Richard Milhouse Nixon, Lyndon Baines Johnson?

Lots of politicians have had their middle names or initials commonly used.

Well, Matt Groening did name The Simpsons' Milhouse after Nixon.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d7/Milhouse.jpg/222px-Milhouse.jpg

Those republicans tried to screw over John Kennedy by putting an "F" in there so people would associate it with the grade;)

I agree. But you have to admit that the Republicans have been far, FAR more resourceful and successful at it.

If the Idiot Son had not been (in contravention to the actual vote count and the laws) handed the pResidency in 2000, this country would be in far better shape.

It is doubtful that anyone would have been as abysmal a failure as G W has been.

The actual vote count, as done by many newspapers, showed bush would have won anyway.

i think we should bring shammy back just for this thread alone.:p