I did not know much about Mormonism until this Romney fellow. So, I did some research and have found now that it is a bunch of bull (well all religions are). How could even a semi-educated person, semi-logical person believe in this crap is just plain mind-boggling to me.

Also, I guess Mormonism and Scientology both prove that all religions are a sham and that they come and go. These are the new comers and others are going or have gone.

Mormonism is a total sham... it is a way to have your cake and eat it too.

Religion is a shame!!! I wonder if Mitt wears those funny mormom underwear?

Religion is a shame!!! I wonder if Mitt wears those funny mormom underwear?


Must agree with you there.. Just came back from mormon land and never going back..

I have no problem with them.
I leave them alone; they leave me alone.
As it should be.

I did not know much about Mormonism until this Romney fellow. So, I did some research and have found now that it is a bunch of bull (well all religions are). How could even a semi-educated person, semi-logical person believe in this crap is just plain mind-boggling to me.


As a friend of mine who was a lifelong Catholic, until he converted to Mormonism once put it to me... "if you already believe that a man is God personified, can turn water into wine, heal lepers, raise the dead and rise from the dead himself... is it really that big a stretch to add that he also came to preach in America too?"

I have no problem with them.
I leave them alone; they leave me alone.
As it should be.

I understand what you are saying, I will add that any group that gains political power thru numbers or finances help bring about changes (laws) that we must all live under. Sometimes it is hard to distinguish between who is leaving us alone and who is not.

I have no problem with them.
I leave them alone; they leave me alone.
As it should be.

They may leave you alone, but they do great damage to their kids as all religious fundamentalists tend to do. I cannot agree to that this is their right. Otherwise, I agree, as long as religion doesn't interfere with my life, I couldn't care less what people believe, though it is always fun to discuss it to try to find out why people believe what they do. I have always liked to observe and understand people.

...next thing you know, we could have a Jehovah's Witness, a Quaker, or a Catholic in the White House!

err.... wait.... ummm.... nevermind.

Actually, this whole discussion is kinda funny. Atheists dissing one religious sect just seems like overkill.

1. I hate God.
2. I hate religions.
3. I hate Mormons.

Guess the one positive thing is... they'll never run out of topics!

;)
SMW

Actually, this whole discussion is kinda funny. Atheists dissing one religious sect just seems like overkill.

1. I hate God.
2. I hate religions.
3. I hate Mormons.

Guess the one positive thing is... they'll never run out of topics!

;)
SMW


As usual, you don't understand the discussion. But, thanks for trying!

JW, Mormons, 7th day, Evangelicals and fundamentalist muslims, they are a real issue in this world, and it is damaging to peoples mental health and children forced to grow up under it. It is not something that should be overlooked.

As usual, you don't understand the discussion. But, thanks for trying!

Oh, I understand it, alright. The point of the whole discussion is that you're scared a Mormon will be elected president, so you're trying to discount the entire religion. You may be smart, Mesk... but you're oh so obvious.

;)
SMW

More fodder for fear...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/religious_affiliations.jpg

Michael Cromartie, Vice President, Ethics and Public Policy Center

Michael Cromartie is Vice President of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a Washington-based think tank dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to public policy issues. The “On Faith” panelist directs the Center's Evangelicals in Civic Life and Religion & the Media programs.

In Contrast to 2004, Democratic Candidates Now Put Religion At Top of Their Agenda. Not only is it appropriate and important for political candidates to express their religious views but it is becoming necessary in order to win elections.

Numerous polls have shown that America is a highly religious country, full of people with diverse but deeply held religious convictions. A substantial number of Americans attend worship services frequently. As philosopher Michael Novak has observed, more people attend church on Sunday morning than attend football games over the weekend, and that includes high school, college, and pro football games combined.

According to a poll by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, an overwhelming majority of Americans claim to believe in God and over 70% of them desire similar beliefs from their President.

In December, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton hired what the press called a "faith guru" to help her win over evangelicals and other so-called value voters as she begins her 2008 campaign. Senator Barack Obama has a director of religious outreach. That two of the top contenders for the Democratic nomination for president would already have hired aides who are specializing in religious outreach is a dramatic change from 2004, when the only candidate who employed a religious outreach consultant was Howard Dean, a man who momentarily forgot to locate the book of Job in the right testament.

Both political parties have strong and sincere religious constituencies that support them. Any candidate who is tone deaf to religious language and who is uncomfortable speaking publicly about religious themes will be a candidate who will have great difficulty being nominated by their Party, much less have a chance to win the presidency.

Of course, an important caveat is this: Expressions of religious faith by candidates must be sincere, genuine, and authentic. Otherwise they will be perceived as politically calculating and will backfire.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/michael_cromartie/2007/01/not_only_is_it_appropriate.html

I understand what you are saying, I will add that any group that gains political power thru numbers or finances help bring about changes (laws) that we must all live under. Sometimes it is hard to distinguish between who is leaving us alone and who is not.

That is very true. Thankfully our Constitution and Supreme Court will help contain them if such a thing should ever happen--that is--large numbers of them, or other religious, attempting to not abide by Freedom of Religion.

I do consider them a cult but they've accomplished a great good. Their family research library in Salt Lake City is considered the best in the world, even tho for years they've accepted family lines from people with no documentation.

As a person who does genealogy for a living, I have mixed feelings about their library ( I should add that I consider my own state's Allen County Library in Fort Wayne much better, lol)--at least they've generated interest in keeping interest in family research alive.

OK, enough on THAT off-tangent--and there's some good to be found in almost ANY faith, I've found.

PS. The ones who come to our door have been unfailingly polite. I can overlook a lot of stuff in people if they are at least courteous.

As usual, you don't understand the discussion.

Thats never stopped her in the past...

Actually, this whole discussion is kinda funny. Atheists dissing one religious sect just seems like overkill.
Rendova, Dharma, Angelina, DanF, and OP are atheists?? Since when? :@@:

Rendova, Dharma, Angelina, DanF, and OP are atheists?? Since when? :@@:

Mesk is the originator of this thread, DF... and he's definitely an atheist. Or maybe you think he's trying to help people better understand those of the Mormon faith?

Nope... it's just another atheist attempt at hate mongering, this time using politics as a backdrop.

That's MY opinion. Just as you, Rendova, Dharma, Angelina, DanF, and OP are free to express your own.

;)
SMW

Rendova, Dharma, Angelina, DanF, and OP are atheists?? Since when?

It is funny smw would make that claim... I was not even "dissing" Mormonism in my post.

It is funny smw would make that claim... I was not even "dissing" Mormonism in my post.

And I didn't mention YOUR name either, did I, Dharm?

Glad to see you grew a set and took me off IGNORE. Good boy... I knew you could handle it!

:bike:
SMW

Mesk is the originator of this thread, DF... and he's definitely an atheist. Or maybe you think he's trying to help people better understand those of the Mormon faith?

Nope... it's just another atheist attempt at hate mongering, this time using politics as a backdrop.

That's MY opinion. Just as you, Rendova, Dharma, Angelina, DanF, and OP are free to express your own.

;)
SMW
Mmmkay, but you used the phrase "this whole discussion" (implying everything said by every participant), and used the plural word "atheists". Therefore it was implied that the discussion was at least dominated by atheists, if not completely made up of their sentiments.

Anyways, he thinks that some of the things Mormons believe are completely ridiculous... I would agree. I find it interesting that non-Christians are more likely to consider Mormonism a Christian faith than non-Mormon Christians.
From the Wikipedia page on Mormonism:
One recent Pew Research poll shows 52 percent of Americans say Mormonism is a Christian religion. However, among non-Mormon Christians, more than six in ten said Mormonism and their own religion are very different and 57 percent associated Mormonism with the word "cult"
Here are some of the things Mormons believe, from here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints):
During the pre-earth life, Heavely Father presented a plan to have a Savior make it possible for mankind to be saved. Jesus Christ stepped forward as the chosen Savior. However, Lucifer, one of the spirits, proposed a rival plan whereby every soul would be saved, he would receive God's power, and human agency would be eliminated.[41][42] When God rejected that plan, the War in Heaven ensued, resulting in Lucifer and one third part of the spirits being cast out and denied ever receiving physical bodies. Lucifer became the devil.[43]

The earth, according to church teachings in the temples, was created by Jehovah, which the church identifies as the pre-mortal Jesus, and Michael the archangel, who is identified as the pre-mortal Adam. The earth was "organized" from pre-existing matter,[44] as were other planets with their inhabitants.[45] Michael's spirit was implanted in a body created by God the Father and Jehovah, and became Adam.
They also believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri, that Native Americans are descended from a tribe of Israelites who crossed the ocean in boats around 600 B.C., and other rather hard to swallow things.

Mmmkay, but you used the phrase "this whole discussion" (implying everything said by every participant), and used the plural word "atheists". Therefore it was implied that the discussion was at least dominated by atheists, if not completely made up of their sentiments.

Anyways, he thinks that some of the things Mormons believe are completely ridiculous... I would agree. I find it interesting that non-Christians are more likely to consider Mormonism a Christian faith than non-Mormon Christians.
(From the Wikipedia page on Mormonism:
)
Here are some of the things Mormons believe, from here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints):
[QUOTE]During the pre-earth life, Heavely Father presented a plan to have a Savior make it possible for mankind to be saved. Jesus Christ stepped forward as the chosen Savior. However, Lucifer, one of the spirits, proposed a rival plan whereby every soul would be saved, he would receive God's power, and human agency would be eliminated.[41][42] When God rejected that plan, the War in Heaven ensued, resulting in Lucifer and one third part of the spirits being cast out and denied ever receiving physical bodies. Lucifer became the devil.[43]

The earth, according to church teachings in the temples, was created by Jehovah, which the church identifies as the pre-mortal Jesus, and Michael the archangel, who is identified as the pre-mortal Adam. The earth was "organized" from pre-existing matter,[44] as were other planets with their inhabitants.[45] Michael's spirit was implanted in a body created by God the Father and Jehovah, and became Adam.[/QUOTE
They also believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri, that Native Americans are descended from a tribe of Israelites who crossed the ocean in boats around 600 B.C., and other rather hard to swallow things.

Thanks... you just proved my point.

It's easy to find obscure beliefs about EVERY religion on this earth. Just because you can google some odd facts does NOT mean that every Mormon either believes OR practices those things. Going to the trouble to look up something for the sole purpose of dissing a person's religion and thereby hope to persuade others to think less of them is hate mongering, DF. Welcome to the club.

SMW

Thanks... you just proved my point.

It's easy to find obscure beliefs about EVERY religion on this earth. Just because you can google some odd facts does NOT mean that every Mormon either believes OR practices those things. Going to the trouble to look up something for the sole purpose of dissing a person's religion and thereby hope to persuade others to think less of them is hate mongering, DF. Welcome to the club.

SMW
That's bullshit. How could I be "hate mongering" when I do not hate Mormons? I'm not dissing them, I'm just pointing out some official Mormon beliefs that I think are very odd. I did not say that every Mormon believes them, but considering that those things are written in the Book of Mormon (considered to be on par with the Bible), I'd say almost all of them do.

I'm not "dissing" their religion - I am simply saying that some of the things Mormons believe seem ridiculous to me. I wasn't trying to persuade anyone to think less of Mormons, just showing you what led Mesk to his opinion that what Mormons believe is pretty unbelievable (to him). I was not aware that espousing this opinion about someone's beliefs was "hate mongering". You find the beliefs of atheists to be ridiculous and certainly unbelievable to you - and you've said so. Would you call yourself a hate monger too?

Apparently it's only hate when it's directed towards Christians, and when it's about atheists it's just "the truth". :rolleyes:

Apparently it's only hate when it's directed towards Christians, and when it's about atheists it's just "the truth". :rolleyes:

Yeah, funny that :)
It is quite common though...

Oh, I understand it, alright. The point of the whole discussion is that you're scared a Mormon will be elected president, so you're trying to discount the entire religion. You may be smart, Mesk... but you're oh so obvious.

;)
SMW

Of course I am obvious - I wrote clearly that "all religions are a sham." I don't know how to be MORE obvious. Wow you are so observant-- you found me out!!!

Not only am I scared a Mormon could get elected, but I am shocked that someone with half a brain could believe in this mumbo-jumbo!

hate
A noun
1 hate, hatred

the emotion of hate; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action

Action like starting a thread to discuss how a certain group of believers in God are 'ridiculous' and their beliefs nothing but a bunch of mumbo-jumbo?

It's easy to hate a whole group of people, isn't it? Then you don't have to deal with individual beliefs. Just roll them all into the same category and presto -- you're free to diss the whole damn group, all 12 million of them! Go to Wikapedia and pick out the scary parts and you've got ready-made proof! They're ALL crazy!!!

As far as your accusation that I'm guilty of hate mongering as well, DF... I challenge you to show me ONE thread I've ever started for the sole purpose of spreading hate for atheists... or anyone else, for that matter.

You don't have to be a non-believer to hate... but as Mesk continues to prove, fear of those who do believe seems to make it much easier. I've yet to see him post anything POSITIVE on any subject. Fear of the unknown is a strong emotion, but fear of something one is incapable of understanding seems to be mentally crippling. At least in Mesk's case. I've never 'met' anyone who snivels in fear more than him. Ever notice he uses the word SCARED in nearly every topic he discusses?

Mormons are peaceful, God-loving people who deserve better than to be portrayed as wild-eyed lunatics just so some of y'all will have something to talk about. Forgive me if I refuse to turn my back and pretend it doesn't matter because I'm not a Mormon.

Now... who's ready to tear down Baptists? I understand they don't believe in dancing... now how cRaZy is that??? I'm sure Mesk will be equally terrified a Baptist will be elected and he'll have to cut his own legs off to make sure he doesn't slip up and dance!

;)
SMW

They may leave you alone, but they do great damage to their kids as all religious fundamentalists tend to do. I cannot agree to that this is their right. .

Of course it is their right.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

As far as your accusation that I'm guilty of hate mongering as well, DF... I challenge you to show me ONE thread I've ever started for the sole purpose of spreading hate for atheists... or anyone else, for that matter.

You're the one who accused ME. Show me one thread that I've ever started for the sole purpose of spreading hate.

I didn't call you a hate monger, by the way. I was just saying that if I'm a hate monger for expressing my opinion that I could never believe what the Mormons believe, then you must be a hate monger for saying that you find the beliefs of atheists to be unrealistic as well. I know that neither of those things are hate mongering.

How about you answer this question. Why is it that finding Christian beliefs unrealistic is "hate" to you, while finding atheist beliefs unrealistic is not?

That's a good question DF. :corn:

You're the one who accused ME. Show me one thread that I've ever started for the sole purpose of spreading hate.

I didn't call you a hate monger, by the way. I was just saying that if I'm a hate monger for expressing my opinion that I could never believe what the Mormons believe, then you must be a hate monger for saying that you find the beliefs of atheists to be unrealistic as well. I know that neither of those things are hate mongering.

How about you answer this question. Why is it that finding Christian beliefs unrealistic is "hate" to you, while finding atheist beliefs unrealistic is not?

I'll be happy to answer your question... finding Christian beliefs unrealistic is fine and dandy with me. Starting a thread for the sole purpose of ridiculing those beliefs and inciting others to agree is HATE.

And BTW, I don't think you're a hate monger... I think you're more of a room monitor. You seem to pop into discussions you're not even involved with for no other reason than to 'call someone down' about something they post. Must be a role you greatly enjoyed in elementary school, eh? Frankly, I find it slightly irritating.

;)
SMW

And BTW, I don't think you're a hate monger... I think you're more of a room monitor. You seem to pop into discussions you're not even involved with for no other reason than to 'call someone down' about something they post. Must be a role you greatly enjoyed in elementary school, eh? Frankly, I find it slightly irritating.

*cough*

:)

Action like starting a thread to discuss how a certain group of believers in God are 'ridiculous' and their beliefs nothing but a bunch of mumbo-jumbo?

It's easy to hate a whole group of people, isn't it? Then you don't have to deal with individual beliefs. Just roll them all into the same category and presto -- you're free to diss the whole damn group, all 12 million of them! Go to Wikapedia and pick out the scary parts and you've got ready-made proof! They're ALL crazy!!!

As far as your accusation that I'm guilty of hate mongering as well, DF... I challenge you to show me ONE thread I've ever started for the sole purpose of spreading hate for atheists... or anyone else, for that matter.

You don't have to be a non-believer to hate... but as Mesk continues to prove, fear of those who do believe seems to make it much easier. I've yet to see him post anything POSITIVE on any subject. Fear of the unknown is a strong emotion, but fear of something one is incapable of understanding seems to be mentally crippling. At least in Mesk's case. I've never 'met' anyone who snivels in fear more than him. Ever notice he uses the word SCARED in nearly every topic he discusses?

Mormons are peaceful, God-loving people who deserve better than to be portrayed as wild-eyed lunatics just so some of y'all will have something to talk about. Forgive me if I refuse to turn my back and pretend it doesn't matter because I'm not a Mormon.

Now... who's ready to tear down Baptists? I understand they don't believe in dancing... now how cRaZy is that??? I'm sure Mesk will be equally terrified a Baptist will be elected and he'll have to cut his own legs off to make sure he doesn't slip up and dance!

;)
SMW


Where did I sat I "hate" these people. I can disagree with a group or individual without "hate". But for you right winger christian type its either love or hate, good or evil.

SMW - I'm not allowed to jump into a discussion if I wasn't involved in it from the beginning? That's a little odd, considering that this is a discussion forum and I happen to be a member. Anyways, when people are rude I think I have the right to tell them not to be rude. They don't HAVE to listen to me; I'd just prefer if everyone was a little more polite. And when someone in a discussion makes an argument with which I disagree, I certainly have the right to say that and make a counter-argument, even if the original argument wasn't directed specifically towards me. I know I'm in the right here, so I really don't care if my behavior irritates you. :)

*cough*

:)
Do you agree with her, Angelina?

I can disagree with a group or individual without "hate".
Of course you can. I disagree with many people on this board, including you, quite often. Yet I do not hate anyone here! :hug:

using politics as a backdrop.



Firstly quit with the winking. It really only makes a dramatic statement when you show someone up.

Also, I am not "using" politics as a backdrop. I only said I didn't know about Mormonism until this Romney fellow. If he was an actor, I would have said the same thing,

I think the only one bringing up hate is YOU.

Of course you can. I disagree with many people on this board, including you, quite often. Yet I do not hate anyone here! :hug:

I think most of us learned that in about 2nd grade. SMW sure has a lot of spite and hate.

Do you agree with her, Angelina?

It was more a pot/kettle kinda post :)

It was more a pot/kettle kinda post :)
Hah! Yes, that's what I thought you meant, just making sure. :corn:

Firstly quit with the winking. It really only makes a dramatic statement when you show someone up.

Also, I am not "using" politics as a backdrop. I only said I didn't know about Mormonism until this Romney fellow. If he was an actor, I would have said the same thing,

I think the only one bringing up hate is YOU.

Don't get all upset because I call your tactics what they are, Mesk. Having an intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of Mormonism is not what this thread is all about and you know it. You came here to bash their beliefs and incite hatred for their religion. Nothing more... nothing less.

Here... is this better?

:banana:

Having an intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of Mormonism is not what this thread is all about and you know it. You came here to bash their beliefs and incite hatred for their religion. Nothing more... nothing less.
Why do you think that you know everyone's purposes? Are you a mind reader?

Why do you think that you know everyone's purposes? Are you a mind reader?

No... like I said on another thread... I tend to believe the written word over theories of the mind.

My clues?

From the first post:


How could even a semi-educated person, semi-logical person believe in this crap is just plain mind-boggling to me.

which led to

Mormonism is a total sham... it is a way to have your cake and eat it too.

and

Religion is a shame!!! I wonder if Mitt wears those funny mormom underwear?

and

JW, Mormons, 7th day, Evangelicals and fundamentalist muslims, they are a real issue in this world, and it is damaging to peoples mental health and children forced to grow up under it. It is not something that should be overlooked.

Or maybe all these hateful comments were simply said in jest and their authors actually believe in 'live and let live' eh?

:rolleyes:

Or maybe all these hateful comments were simply said in jest and their authors actually believe in 'live and let live' eh?

:rolleyes:

My comment, the last one, has nothing to do with hate. I am genuinely concerned for children who are forced to grow up with stuff like that. I happen to know a few with such a background.

I would be very careful to accuse anyone of hate on these forums if I were you, you have some very interesting posts in the past yourself...

Don't get all upset because I call your tactics what they are, Mesk. Having an intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of Mormonism is not what this thread is all about and you know it. You came here to bash their beliefs and incite hatred for their religion. Nothing more... nothing less.

Here... is this better?

:banana:


you're really upset about this. Let's see you get this mad when someone bash's muslims or the real satan in this world....atheists! I am neither by the way.

It's easy to hate a whole group of people, isn't it? Then you don't have to deal with individual beliefs. Just roll them all into the same category and presto -- you're free to diss the whole damn group, all 12 million of them!

Like you do with those who don't believe in your god? All 21% of us?

I challenge you to show me ONE thread I've ever started for the sole purpose of spreading hate for atheists...

I seem to remember a thread you started (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=33380)awhile back.... Let's see, how did it begin?

I don't believe they'll have to look far to find out the murders of innocent people were a result of the ever-increasing paranoia among young atheists in this world. Hate breeds hate.

Oh yeah, now I remember.... It was the thread where you took so much heat for blaming the Colorado murders on atheists that you finally went back and actually changed your original post to remove your hate-flecked anti-atheist rant.

:rolleyes:

Oooh, damn, I forgot about that Frannie... Good point.

Oooh, damn, I forgot about that Frannie... Good point.


Now Fran can use that winky smiley.. that would be appropriate.

I did notice that particularly quick slide from criticizing Mormonism to slamming religion, SMW, and I agree with you, on that. It's disingenuous and overly hostile.

I did notice that particularly quick slide from criticizing Mormonism to slamming religion, SMW, and I agree with you, on that. It's disingenuous and overly hostile.

In my original post that started this thread, I clearly say "all religions are a sham". So, I am not discriminating against Mormons.;) (thought I'd use the winky)

Religion is a shame. That is how I see it. If someone is going to get so emotional about it they should not be on a message board where they are likely to get their feelings hurt. I know a lot of people that are religious and I don't hate them. I can still despise religion though.

You two are more than welcome to despise religion, just try to add a little bit more to it than, "Religion is a sham!" Or can you two not think past your hate?

I know a lot of people that are religious and I don't hate them. I can still despise religion though.
You're absolutely right. Disliking religion does not mean disliking the religious. I dislike certain political ideologies and opinions, but the people who hold them can be my best friends. (For instance, I'm a moderate who leans libertarian, while my boyfriend is a liberal Green. Seriously. :p)

Religion is a shame. That is how I see it. If someone is going to get so emotional about it they should not be on a message board where they are likely to get their feelings hurt. I know a lot of people that are religious and I don't hate them. I can still despise religion though.
it's easy not to hate ppl you know. try not hating ppl you don't know, it's more of a work out:thumbs:

it's easy not to hate ppl you know. try not hating ppl you don't know, it's more of a work out:thumbs: Well I don't need to try because I don't do it. :( Sorry that you find it hard to do. That's a bummer.

You two are more than welcome to despise religion, just try to add a little bit more to it than, "Religion is a sham!" Or can you two not think past your hate?

I have started other threads in the past which are more than just "religion is a sham".

I have started other threads in the past which are more than just "religion is a sham".
Good. Make sure they're all like that.

You two are more than welcome to despise religion, just try to add a little bit more to it than, "Religion is a sham!" Or can you two not think past your hate? Thanks for your wonderful advice and your persmission to despise religion! :rolleyes:

Good, 'cause I don't need to be so generous.

Good. Make sure they're all like that.

When the mods tell me then I will do it. I like you man, but who died and made you god around here?

God did, who else?

Well I don't need to try because I don't do it. :( Sorry that you find it hard to do. That's a bummer.
ok, fine-keep hating on ppl you don't know-it's your life you're wasting:rolleyes:

it's easy not to hate ppl you know. try not hating ppl you don't know, it's more of a work out

A reference to your hatred of liberals?

ok, fine-keep hating on ppl you don't know-it's your life you're wasting:rolleyes: I am not hating on people I don't know. I despise religion. And I'm not wasting my life unless reading your postings falls under that category!

Did anyone see the Southpark episode about Mormonism. It was hilarious!!!

I am not hating on people I don't know. I despise religion. And I'm not wasting my life unless reading your postings falls under that category!
chill guy! there's an awful lot of hostility in your posts lately:(

Back to the topic of Mormon's... here's a nice little cartoon (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo) about them. :p

chill guy! there's an awful lot of hostility in your posts lately:( Well then don't make false accussations against me!

Hi Finer Touch 5

Read through the first page. Romney does not scare me because he is a Morman. He scares me because of what he said during a Republican Debate that I watched. He said beyond any doubt that He would as president get a amendment to the constitution banning Gay Marriage. Place Judges who would overthrow Roe vs Wade. He made it absolutely clear that as president he would impose his religious values on everyone through Law.

And because of this he is a very dangerous man. I do not care what a persons religious beliefs are. If a person wishes to believe in the great turtle or the flying spegettii monster it is there right. But the moment someone claims that they have the right to impose their religious beliefs upon people who do not accept those beliefs. Their religion and beliefs become invalid.

Whether Romney is a morman, baptist, luthern, moslem, or any other religious belief does not matter. It is his willingness to impose his beliefs upon people who do not hold those beliefs. This is a Secular Nation not a Theocracy and anyone who would attempt to make this Nation into a Theocracy is dangerous.

There is no religion on earth that can show any evidence that their beliefs are in Fact, True. Not one religion so out shines all other beliefs as to make it obvious to all others that they are blessed by God. There is absolutely no historical evidence to support a Universal God Type. While individual and personal beliefs are acceptable. Individual and personal beliefs that are imposed upon others is not.

Hi Finer Touch 5

Read through the first page. Romney does not scare me because he is a Morman. He scares me because of what he said during a Republican Debate that I watched. He said beyond any doubt that He would as president get a amendment to the constitution banning Gay Marriage. Place Judges who would overthrow Roe vs Wade. He made it absolutely clear that as president he would impose his religious values on everyone through Law.

And because of this he is a very dangerous man. I do not care what a persons religious beliefs are. If a person wishes to believe in the great turtle or the flying spegettii monster it is there right. But the moment someone claims that they have the right to impose their religious beliefs upon people who do not accept those beliefs. Their religion and beliefs become invalid.

Whether Romney is a morman, baptist, luthern, moslem, or any other religious belief does not matter. It is his willingness to impose his beliefs upon people who do not hold those beliefs. This is a Secular Nation not a Theocracy and anyone who would attempt to make this Nation into a Theocracy is dangerous.

There is no religion on earth that can show any evidence that their beliefs are in Fact, True. Not one religion so out shines all other beliefs as to make it obvious to all others that they are blessed by God. There is absolutely no historical evidence to support a Universal God Type. While individual and personal beliefs are acceptable. Individual and personal beliefs that are imposed upon others is not. Well I agree with you!!!

Well I agree with you!!!

I do come on a bit strong dont I :worship: In my own way I am as much a Fundy as a Christian Fundy is. Just opposite. Hey I just realized I am a Anti Fundy, Fundy, wonder if there is a prize for that somewhere.:banana:

Well I agree with you!!!

I do come on a bit strong dont I :worship: In my own way I am as much a Fundy as a Christian Fundy is. Just opposite. Hey I just realized I am a Anti Fundy, Fundy, wonder if there is a prize for that somewhere.:banana:

But the moment someone claims that they have the right to impose their religious beliefs upon people who do not accept those beliefs. Their religion and beliefs become invalid.

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They may become 'invalid' in your own view, but in practice they do not become invalid at all.

It is a cornerstone of the American experience that the dominant and prevailing religion --Christianity-- will impose that set of beliefs, their taboos, their prejudices and their superstitions on the whole of society.

Christianity in the United States operates as if it and it alone represents the supreme ruler of the entire universe, and as if it's God has authority over all human beings. Christianity operates as if it's deity is the world's only "true" deity and that all other religions are inferior and subordinate to its ideological demands. Christianity in the United States operates as if those who run for election to carry out the duties of government do not adhere to its principles, then they are unfit to govern.

Does the Christian faction in the United States have the 'right' to operate that way?

All I know is that, "right" or no "right", they have been doing it without cessation since the inception of this republic over 200 years ago.

Free Thinker

Sad but true, that is why the Atheist movement is so important. If the Christian Fundamentalists are to be checked it is the Atheists that will do it. The Atheist movement benefit's all Theists. If the Atheist movement is able to check the power and authority claimed by the Fundamentalists then all Theists are protected. The moment a Fundamentalists movement gains Official Power all other Theists become targets, of being called and persecuted as heretics.

Thank God for the Atheists.

I like atheists too. It's good to have balance.

I like atheists too. It's good to have balance.

Finally common ground between us. :grouphug:

.....that is why the Atheist movement is so important. If the Christian Fundamentalists are to be checked it is the Atheists that will do it.

You're talking about something that is, at present, an impossibility.

There are countless millions of fundamentalist Christian twits, and only -comparatively- a tiny handful of atheists.

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I have discovered the root cause of America's growing stupidity, whether it be in the educational or political process. A recent Gallup poll showed that 72% of Americans believe that "angels" are real and interact in our daily lives. Yep, "angels". Asexual, flying, feathery-winged, translucent metaphysical beings from outside our sphere of existence, which CNN News spent hours on recently documenting their proficiency at saving lives by deflecting bullets and stopping car crashes. Is it just a coincidence that as we suffer this spiritual revival in America, our kids get dumber, we move further to the Right, the majority of us are less secure in our jobs and homes, and rabid little RightWing nitwits are running the show?

You're talking about something that is, at present, an impossibility.

There are countless millions of fundamentalist Christian twits, and only -comparatively- a tiny handful of atheists.

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I have discovered the root cause of America's growing stupidity, whether it be in the educational or political process. A recent Gallup poll showed that 72% of Americans believe that "angels" are real and interact in our daily lives. Yep, "angels". Asexual, flying, feathery-winged, translucent metaphysical beings from outside our sphere of existence, which CNN News spent hours on recently documenting their proficiency at saving lives by deflecting bullets and stopping car crashes. Is it just a coincidence that as we suffer this spiritual revival in America, our kids get dumber, we move further to the Right, the majority of us are less secure in our jobs and homes, and rabid little RightWing nitwits are running the show?

You have to remember that the Constitution was designed to protect the minority from the Majority if needed. Atheists do not need to match the Christians in numbers. All they need is a supreme court that actually puts the Constitution before their religious beliefs. If the supreme court stays as it is the Atheists have a chance. If Bush the Son replaces any more supreme court judges with religious fanatics then we are a Theocratic nation.

The next election will determine whether or not we remain a Secular Nation or we will become a Theocratic Nation. Just pray that no none Fundamentalist judges die or retire before the next elections.

Regardless of all your guys' bickering on whether or not you should bicker. I live in Idaho, just north of Mo-ville. Mormons are just slightly more functional than people in cults. Growing up in Idaho and hearing first-hand information from three different people about being molested by a relative or someone at their church and their family not doing anything to avoid stirring up trouble... A big yikes from me. I remember calling a kids house once when I was in... maybe 9th grade... and his mom answered the phone, asked who I was, and then asked if I have 'Chose the right'... I said, uh.... I wasn't allowed to hang out with him after school, only in school without his mom knowing...

Anyway, boo hoo for me, but big boo hoo for kids brought up in this religion. It really just is bad news. Not as big a religion as they like to make you think, mostly in other countries. But still, creepy nonetheless.