His speech after his win was really great.

You don't just need experience, you need vision -- which Obama has. You also need change from politics as usual, and I feel Obama can bring this since he hasn't been corrupted by Washington.

The momentum from this win means a lot to his campaign, who was way behind Hillary in the polls only a few weeks ago.

Consider me an Obama supporter again. :)

Wait... weren't you a Hillary supporter before? What's with the sudden change?

Wait... weren't you a Hillary supporter before? What's with the sudden change?
I was an Obama supporter first.
Then I became a Hillary supporter after watching a few debates and liking what she had to say/offer.

However, I've decided that I don't like the same politics as usual and Hillary, in a lot of ways, will contiune that. Plus, I honestly don't want a controversial figure in office. Because even if I agree with/support her, many don't and won't work WITH her because of it -- which will halt change. I want someone who people will compromise and work with, so change can happen, and I think Obama's the guy.

You don't just need experience, you need vision -- which Obama has. You also need change from politics as usual, and I feel Obama can bring this since he hasn't been corrupted by Washington.
That was the same sentiment (voiced), describing Jimmy Carter's "strength".....and, Washington proved what happens to outsiders who try to go-it-alone. :rolleyes:

The Iowa Caucuses are Jr.-High politics......a preliminary-fight before Round 1 of the Pro-Fight; merely a point-of-reference. :rolleyes:

I was an Obama supporter first.
Then I became a Hillary supporter after watching a few debates and liking what she had to say/offer.

However, I've decided that I don't like the same politics as usual and Hillary, in a lot of ways, will contiune that.
I'll bet you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, as well.....unless, of course, some other team is having a better year. :rolleyes:

Good for Obama! Young people especially turned out for Obama in droves.

I'll bet you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, as well.....unless, of course, some other team is having a better year. :rolleyes:
Yes, you can't EVER change who you support! Give me a break.

I actually decided I liked Obama better before these resulsts (hence why I took off the Clinton banners a few weeks ago). But these resulsts helped confirm what I was thinking.

The only reason you're upset is because I no longer support Clinton, the person you like.

The reason this win is big for Obama:

1. Everyone thought Clinton was the inevitable nominee for the Democrats. That's clearly not the case now.

2. A lot of people didn't think a black man could win. However, a black man just won, in Iowa, where even the Democrats haven't elected an African American before. Now people may think he has a shot at winning the general election.

This really helps boost Obama.

Yea I like Obama... if I were to vote democrat this year he'd probably be the guy.. i doubt I could possibly vote for Edwards or Clinton.

Although Huckabee won... McCain got a big boost on the republican Caucus... just because you win the Iowa Caucus doesn't mean you're the candidate... Huckabee won because he's connected to the "evangelical" movement... I heard that 6 out of 10 republicans who voted in Iowa considered themselves "evangelicals"... so don't read too much into Huckabee.

The reason this win is big for Obama:

1. Everyone thought Clinton was the inevitable nominee for the Democrats. That's clearly not the case now.

2. A lot of people didn't think a black man could win. However, a black man just won, in Iowa, where even the Democrats haven't elected an African American before. Now people may think he has a shot at winning the general election.

This really helps boost Obama.

See, this is what gets to me... we're not supposed to be concerned about whether people are black, white, brown, blue or green... and esp true for people of mixed races. For the last 30-40 years, it's been drummed into every American's head that it's WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to allow race to influence decisions.

Now all of a sudden, TODAY in particular, everything I hear or read about Obama is calling him BLACK.

That's what will cost him the election, folks. If you support him, do so because of the MAN he is and stop waving the race card. Otherwise, he's gonna be doomed to defeat.

:(
SMW

I'll bet you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, as well.....unless, of course, some other team is having a better year. :rolleyes:
:lolhit: i was going to say that!:corn:

Now all of a sudden, TODAY in particular, everything I hear or read about Obama is calling him BLACK.

That's what will cost him the election, folks. If you support him, do so because of the MAN he is and stop waving the race card. Otherwise, he's gonna be doomed to defeat.

:(
SMW
No one is "waving" the race card, and that isn't a reason I'm telling you to vote for him.

We are talking about him being black because of the critics who said a black man couldn't become President. However, now that he's won Iowa, it looks like he would have a chance, as a black man, to win the Presidency.

No one is "waving" the race card, and that isn't a reason I'm telling you to vote for him.

We are talking about him being black because of the critics who said a black man couldn't become President. However, now that he's won Iowa, it looks like he would have a chance, as a black man, to win the Presidency.

FYI, he is NOT a BLACK man. He is of mixed race. His mixed ancestory was a big deal when his name first came up as a candidate. Now that's he's won ONE small victory, all of a sudden he's a BLACK man. If people start focusing on his heritage AGAIN, we'll be back to calling him a MUSLIM and he won't have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected.

And I wasn't just talking about YOU referring to him as such... it was the first thing I heard on the news this morning. You're simply parroting what the news has already said.

Typical Democrat reaction... gain a little, then shoot yourself in your own foot.

:rolleyes:
SMW

FYI, he is NOT a BLACK man. He is of mixed race. His mixed ancestory was a big deal when his name first came up as a candidate.
Most people consider him a black man when simply looking at him. It is sad, but true.

Now that's he's won ONE small victory, all of a sudden he's a BLACK man.
He was considered a black man before the victory.

You're simply parroting what the news has already said.

Typical Democrat reaction... gain a little, then shoot yourself in your own foot.
Well if that isn't a nice little spin-job, I don't know what is. :rolleyes: Sheesh.

I'm glad Obama seems to have a chance. Most of the Republican candidates are terrible, and if Huckabee or Romney wins the Rep. nomination I'd certainly vote for Obama. :)

Most people consider him a black man when simply looking at him. It is sad, but true.


He was considered a black man before the victory.


Well if that isn't a nice little spin-job, I don't know what is. :rolleyes: Sheesh.

Time will tell, OD. But it's my humble opinion the more he's referred to as a BLACK man, the more obstacles he'll face in getting elected. And the strangest part of that belief is that it seems to be the Democrats who are screaming BLACK MAN the loudest.

Since when did it become PC to refer to a man's race as being a determining factor in his ability to succeed? Since last night??

I'm glad Obama seems to have a chance. Most of the Republican candidates are terrible, and if Huckabee or Romney wins the Rep. nomination I'd certainly vote for Obama. :)
i think Obama could beat Mike & Mitt, but McCain would wipe the floor with him. in the battle of the super Senators, McCain has a record he can run on, Obama just doesn't have a record.

i think Obama could beat Mike & Mitt, but McCain would wipe the floor with him. in the battle of the super Senators, McCain has a record he can run on, Obama just doesn't have a record.
McCain has basically no chance though. If he gets the nomination I'll definitely consider voting for him...

And the strangest part of that belief is that it seems to be the Democrats who are screaming BLACK MAN the loudest.
Oooooooook. :rolleyes:

Since when did it become PC to refer to a man's race as being a determining factor in his ability to succeed? Since last night??
Since the start of this race it has been talked about.

Sure, we've all been told blacks can succeed, but we haven't been told blacks could succeed to the PRESIDENCY, of all things.

I don't see why we even have to talk about his race. I guess I'm being too optimistic.

Obama just doesn't have a record.
This is so inaccurate.

He doesn't have the longest record, but he was in his state's congress for 8 years. And has been in the national congress for 2 years.

That's a decade in the political world.

I'm not worried about his "experience"...and if he had more experience and ties in Washington I'd worry he was corrupt. I'm happy he has vision, not politics as usual.

This is so inaccurate.

He doesn't have the longest record, but he was in his state's congress for 8 years. And has been in the national congress for 2 years.

That's a decade in the political world.

I'm not worried about his "experience"...and if he had more experience and ties in Washington I'd worry he was corrupt. I'm happy he has vision, not politics as usual.
ok, what has he done?

ok, what has he done?
You said he had "NO" record. Clearly, he does. He has a 10 year record. Look into it. I'm not doing your homework for you.

You said he had "NO" record. Clearly, he does. He has a 10 year record. Look into it. I'm not doing your homework for you.
translation: i don't know

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:
You said he had no record.

Is that true? NO.

He has a 10 year record. Admit it, you were wrong. :)

You said he had no record.

Is that true? NO.

He has a 10 year record. Admit it, you were wrong. :)
admit that you don't know anything about him other than the other kids think he's "cool":slap:

Oooooooook. :rolleyes:


Since the start of this race it has been talked about.

Sure, we've all been told blacks can succeed, but we haven't been told blacks could succeed to the PRESIDENCY, of all things.

One more time, OD.. he is NOT black.

Funny, at the beginning of his run, the only thing I ever heard about him was that he was part Muslim.... and named Barack Obama. You know, like that other guy named Obama? He survived that negative connotation by insisting he was only exposed to Muslim teachings as a small child and that had nothing to do with his current life.

Now here you are, insisting he is BLACK.

Wonder if he'll be able to prove he was only Black for a short time as a child and now he should be considered caucasian?

Geesh... talk about waving the race card.

I suppose that will become his campaign slogan... vote for me because I'm a BLACK MAN!

The media is doing him no favor by harping on that point. That's MY point.

admit that you don't know anything about him other than the other kids think he's "cool":slap:
I've actually posted many posts on what Obama has done in Congress and in his state.

But I refuse to craft another post for someone who refuses to do research before he spouts off his mouth -- making you a really un-educated and un-informed person. I guess that has to do with you being lazy and wanting other people to do your homework for you.

I don't see why we even have to talk about his race. I guess I'm being too optimistic.

Amen, DF. I'm glad you see how wrong that is... especially coming from his so-called supporters.

I don't think experience matters THAT much. If he had zero political experience (as Mike seems to think), that would be one thing, but with 10 years in politics I don't see anything wrong with his level of experience.

One more time, OD.. he is NOT black.
One more time, SMW, I know he isn't ONLY black. But most people consider him black, and I'm assuming he considers himself more black then any other race.

So, I'll call him black. Deal with it.

I suppose that will become his campaign slogan... vote for me because I'm a BLACK MAN!
I haven't said that, and no one else has either.

The media is doing him no favor by harping on that point. That's MY point.
No one is harping on the point that you, should vote for him because he's black. They are harping on the point that a person who isn't WHITE is making waves and that America has really changed. Why is that a bad thing??? :@@:

I've actually posted many posts on what Obama has done in Congress and in his state.

But I refuse to craft another post for someone who refuses to do research before he spouts off his mouth -- making you are a really un-educated and un-informed person. I guess that has to do with you being lazy and wanting other people to do your homework for you.

Maybe you should pass along that research to his campaign managers, OD. You must know more than they do, otherwise surely they'd be spouting off his many accomplishments. *crickets chriping*

Don't get me wrong... I actually like the guy. Especially when compared to Mrs. C and the ambulance chasing lawyer he's up against. But please don't try to make him out to be an accomplished statesman. He's already being compared to Jimmy Carter and again, that's not doing him any favors.

One more time, SMW, I know he isn't ONLY black. But most people consider him black, and I'm assuming he considers himself more black then any other race.

So, I'll call him black. Deal with it.


I haven't said that, and no one else has either.


No one is harping on the point that you, should vote for him because he's black. They are harping on the point that a person who isn't WHITE is making waves and that America has really changed. Why is that a bad thing??? :@@:

Mark my words, sweetcheeks... playing the race card will cost him the election. If you really want to support him, you should be the one protesting the attention to his skin color. Certainly not the one insisting on calling him BLACK.

Don't get me wrong... I actually like the guy. Especially when compared to Mrs. C and the ambulance chasing lawyer he's up against. But please don't try to make him out to be an accomplished statesman. He's already being compared to Jimmy Carter and again, that's not doing him any favors.
I never tried to make him seem like an "accomplished statesman".

Mike said he has NO record.

I informed Mike that Obama had a 10 year record. How is that saying he is an accomplished statesman??? Please realize you are blowing what I said out of proportion.

I've actually posted many posts on what Obama has done in Congress and in his state.

But I refuse to craft another post for someone who refuses to do research before he spouts off his mouth -- making you a really un-educated and un-informed person. I guess that has to do with you being lazy and wanting other people to do your homework for you.
that's funny, i seem to remember having this same go around before you thought Hillary would be the winner:@@:

Mark my words, sweetcheeks... playing the race card will cost him the election. If you really want to support him, you should be the one protesting the attention to his skin color. Certainly not the one insisting on calling him BLACK.
I think it is great a mostly black man has an actual shot at the Presidency. It shows how far America has come. :)

Not only can blacks succeed far more then they could only 30 years ago, but now they have a shot to become President. That says a lot of good things about our country.

I never tried to make him seem like an "accomplished statesman".

Mike said he has NO record.

I informed Mike that Obama had a 10 year record. How is that saying he is an accomplished statesman??? Please realize you are blowing what I said out of proportion.
You're right. I don't think I saw you trying to make Obama seem more experienced than he is at all.

I never tried to make him seem like an "accomplished statesman".

Mike said he has NO record.

I informed Mike that Obama had a 10 year record. How is that saying he is an accomplished statesman??? Please realize you are blowing what I said out of proportion.

Surviving in a job for 10 years isn't a 'record' OD. What you DO in that job is what's important. What has he DONE in the last ten years that makes him qualified to be president? That's the question.

And BTW, I'm not blowing anything. Just responding to what you say.

:banana:

You're right. I don't think I saw you trying to make Obama seem more experienced than he is at all.
Thanks, DF. :)

Surviving in a job for 10 years isn't a 'record' OD. What you DO in that job is what's important. What has he DONE in the last ten years that makes him qualified to be president? That's the question.

And BTW, I'm not blowing anything. Just responding to what you say.

:banana:
No, he has a record. A 10 year record.

Now, go look through those 10 years and see if you think what he's done during those 10 years makes him qualified. I've looked and I think he's qualified.

It is a simple Google search away! :)

I think it is great a mostly black man has an actual shot at the Presidency. It shows how far America has come. :)

Not only can blacks succeed far more then they could only 30 years ago, but now they have a shot to become President. That says a lot of good things about our country.

Well, darlin... maybe you better wait until he actually wins something other than the Iowa caucus before you start patting America on the back for being so open minded. He's got a l-o-n-g way to go and believe it or not, America isn't quite as color-blind as you might think.

Well, darlin... maybe you better wait until he actually wins something other than the Iowa caucus before you start patting America on the back for being so open minded. He's got a l-o-n-g way to go and believe it or not, America isn't quite as color-blind as you might think.
Well, sweetie, you gotta start somewhere. And the Iowa caucus is this, hopeful, start. :)

He's got a l-o-n-g way to go and believe it or not, America isn't quite as color-blind as you might think. That's for sure. I'm surprised he won in Iowa. I would be shocked if he took a major state in the South. Many people are still under the impression he is a Muslim, which is a nasty piece of disinformation being pushed around by certain parties who shall remain nameless (ahem-KarlRove-ahem).

My problem with Obama is not the color of his skin or whether he is "black" or "half black" (or whatever that's supposed to be referred to nowadays). My problem is he is too liberal for most of America. He wont be able to get things done in Congress. Clinton will be able to find the middle ground similar to the way her husband did. You may call her a poll-watching political animal, frankly I could care less. The question for me is: can she get anything done? We have had 8 years of spinning our wheels and frankly I'm tired of it.

My problem is he is too liberal for most of America. He wont be able to get things done in Congress.

I do not see any basis for that concern based upon his record.

I do not see any basis for that concern based upon his record.
this is no record (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369157.shtml)to run on:rolleyes:

I find this a very poor argument against Obama.

He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes.

I find this a very poor argument against Obama.
but this is a gold mine-
Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)
keep in mind that gangland killings are some of the most horrific acts of violence conceived by man....when they're not innocent bystanders caught by a stray bullet in a drive-by shooting.

FYI, he is NOT a BLACK man.
Have you taken a look at the man, lately?

Have you taken a look at the man, lately?Who?

Obama!

Obama's black?:confused:

http://www.nationalclergycouncil.org/images/Barack%20Obama%20Official%20small.jpg
Looks black to me!

Obama!Never heard of him. :eek:

:eek: have i been writting "Osama" instead of "Obama"? :o

but this is a gold mine-

keep in mind that gangland killings are some of the most horrific acts of violence conceived by man....when they're not innocent bystanders caught by a stray bullet in a drive-by shooting.

meh... opposing the death penalty... thats nothing.

meh... opposing the death penalty... thats nothing.
not to you, but explain how being "soft on crime" is going to help him? sure, he might not be, but that's not how it's going to play out.

meh...

The kind of people who would see that as being "soft on crime" are the kind of neanderthals who would never consider voting for Democrat, least of all a black man, in the first place.

Is Obama being accused of being, "soft on crime?"

Is Obama being accused of being, "soft on crime?"
not yet...but he will be if he gets the nomination.:corn:

not yet...but he will be if he gets the nomination.

I am sure the swiftboaters will make up much better lies than that about whomever gets the nomination....

Yes, you can't EVER change who you support! Give me a break.

I actually decided I liked Obama better before these resulsts (hence why I took off the Clinton banners a few weeks ago). But these resulsts helped confirm what I was thinking.

The only reason you're upset is because I no longer support Clinton, the person you like.
Sorry......I don't see you supporting anyone.....consistantly. :rolleyes:

See, this is what gets to me... we're not supposed to be concerned about whether people are black, white, brown, blue or green... and esp true for people of mixed races. For the last 30-40 years, it's been drummed into every American's head that it's WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to allow race to influence decisions.

Now all of a sudden, TODAY in particular, everything I hear or read about Obama is calling him BLACK.

That's what will cost him the election, folks. If you support him, do so because of the MAN he is and stop waving the race card.
Yeah.....leave that up to the Campaign-Pros in Corporate-America.

No one is "waving" the race card, and that isn't a reason I'm telling you to vote for him.

We are talking about him being black because of the critics who said a black man couldn't become President. However, now that he's won Iowa, it looks like he would have a chance, as a black man, to win the Presidency.
.....Until Karl Rove (http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/0886_is_karl_rove_new_benedict_arnold.html) starts spinning-his-magic.....and, revealing a potential-Whitehouse environment (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/374632633_2916606898.jpg), to "conservative"-Americans. :rolleyes:


You really believe Corporate-America is gonna pull any punches, when the (already-profitable) Bottom Line is at-risk??? :rolleyes:

i think Obama could beat Mike & Mitt, but McCain would wipe the floor with him. in the battle of the super Senators, McCain has a record he can run on......

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........ :rolleyes:


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/X/e/1/mccain_bush_brokeback.jpg

This is so inaccurate.

He doesn't have the longest record, but he was in his state's congress for 8 years. And has been in the national congress for 2 years.

That's a decade in the political world.
.....And, you think that compares to 8-years of (actual) success (http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html), during a Presidency?? :confused:

.....And, you think that compares to 8-years of (actual) success (http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html), during a Presidency?? :confused:

IMO, 8 years of being the first lady does not compare to 8 years in the state senate and 2 years in the US senate.

admit that you don't know anything about him other than the other kids think he's "cool" :slap:

http://www.molly.com/images/gangstas.jpg

I don't think experience matters THAT much. If he had zero political experience (as Mike seems to think), that would be one thing, but with 10 years in politics I don't see anything wrong with his level of experience.
Whew. 10 years!

Yeah.....that's quite the comparable-record (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/). :rolleyes:

One more time, SMW, I know he isn't ONLY black. But most people consider him black, and I'm assuming he considers himself more black then any other race.

So, I'll call him black. Deal with it.
Yeah.....no one could accuse you of being overly-occupied with his origin. :rolleyes:

I think it is great a mostly black man has an actual shot at the Presidency. It shows how far America has come. :)

Not only can blacks succeed far more then they could only 30 years ago, but now they have a shot to become President. That says a lot of good things about our country.
.....And, don't forget about post-Katrina New Orleans....another great example of how far America has come. :rolleyes:

No, he has a record. A 10 year record.

Now, go look through those 10 years and see if you think what he's done during those 10 years makes him qualified. I've looked and I think he's qualified.
"Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse. Years later, she organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.

When Bill was elected Governor of Arkansas, Hillary continued to advocate for children, leading a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services. She also served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop."

*

This would have (all) happened, back when Obama as still a schoolboy (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/mom/).

That's for sure. I'm surprised he won in Iowa. I would be shocked if he took a major state in the South. Many people are still under the impression he is a Muslim, which is a nasty piece of disinformation being pushed around by certain parties who shall remain nameless (ahem-KarlRove-ahem).

My problem with Obama is not the color of his skin or whether he is "black" or "half black" (or whatever that's supposed to be referred to nowadays). My problem is he is too liberal for most of America. He wont be able to get things done in Congress. Clinton will be able to find the middle ground similar to the way her husband did. You may call her a poll-watching political animal, frankly I could care less. The question for me is: can she get anything done? We have had 8 years of spinning our wheels and frankly I'm tired of it.
Exactly!!

The idea that The Clinton-Team is gonna screw-up the opportunity to clean-up after another Bush-economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_1980s_recession) is ludicrous! :rolleyes:

BEEN there (http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/index.html)!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS is the experience (of which you speak), Overdose.

Obama's not technically BLACK, not in my observation.
He's more of a light-brown. Sort of a café au lait shade, if you will.

I find his skin tone attractive, and vaguely Presidential.

Hillary, on the other hand, is sort of an off-white coloured woman.
Off-white like a soon-to-dead-fish, flopping on the chilly shore of a New Hampshire beach.

A faded ex-First Lady sort of off-white.

I think she'll be truly white when she finally loses this nomination, (and the Presidency) and when the realization that she's pissed-away all of the millions of her Chinese supporters dollars on a failed campaign, and all the blood drains from her puffy, jowly face,
then she'll be just the right shade of white for me.

Hugs and comfort at that point, Hillary.
At least Chelsea will still love you.
:hug:

Obama's not technically BLACK, not in my observation.
He's more of a light-brown. Sort of a café au lait shade, if you will.

I find his skin tone attractive, and vaguely Presidential.
Whew. Ya' can't argue with those credentials. :rolleyes:

Whew. Ya' can't argue with those credentials. :rolleyes:

I was addressing the dominant topic (of this particular thread anyway) of whether the man should be considered BLACK or not, not the sub-topic of his meager credentials to become President. (Or even Hillary's meager credentials to become President versus her STRONG credentials as a power-hungry, deluded harpy.)

I consider any conversation regarding the man's color just as ridiculous as any conversation about Hillary becoming President of these United States, so (just in case you missed it, Shaman) my posting was just a bit of whimsical caprice, and not to be taken seriously.

As opposed to your daily and predictable deluge of pro-Hillary spam.
Not exactly whimsical, but seriously-hilarious nonetheless.

Keep it up, sir.
I'm beyong being irritated by all your spamming, and have now decided that I find it amusing. It is a new year, after all.
:hug:

Jeeez, reading Mr. Shaman's posts even makes me sad. :( And I'm a Democrat!

Jeeez, reading Mr. Shaman's posts even makes me sad. :( And I'm a Democrat!
Sad.....about what?? :confused:

I'm not ready for another 4 years with a "conservative"-Republican in The Oval Office. I'm in NO mood to hand Republicans an easy-to-defeat (typically, with Fear....their favorite-weapon) Dem-candidate, in November!!! :mad:

The "consevative" spin-machine has already gotten most people believing all of the rhetoric about Hillary Clinton. Hell....what else can they throw at her??!!!

I think they're licking-their-chops at the prospect of Obama (as the Dem-candidate)!! You're not hearing much, presently....but, you won't, either.

People had better start considering the inevitable....if Obama is the candidate. He's yet to see the worst of the "conservative" attacks.....and, once he's given the nomination, it'll be much-too-late for the Dem-voters to reconsider....that, maybe they shoulda considered a more-experienced Candidate.

Shoulda doesn't count.

I say congrats to Obama as well. We need to break the cycle of Bush's and Clintons. Seeing Hillary up there with Bill and madeline Albright and all the old guard really gave me a sick feeling. how long are we going to have to deal with them? Tell you the truth I may vote for Obama too, there are no republicans who i like

I say congrats to Obama as well. We need to break the cycle of Bush's and Clintons.
Yeah.....what a tragedy, having the Clinton Team cleaning-up (http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html) after another round o' Bushenomics. :rolleyes:

face it shaman, you and the clinton team can go back under your rocks where you came from. no one is interested in your lies anymore.

The "conservative" spin-machine has already gotten most people believing all of the rhetoric about Hillary Clinton. Hell....what else can they throw at her??!!!

You'll see.

(p.s. -- anyone who thinks that ever-so whitebread, ever-so Christian America --collectively-- is going to vote a black man into the Oval Office who carries the taint of the Muslim religion and whose middle name is Hussein has IMO a poor grasp of the political realities of the situation)

(just got back from 5 days at the WPT Poker tournament in Tunica, MS)

(p.s. -- anyone who thinks that ever-so whitebread, ever-so Christian America --collectively-- is going to vote a black man into the Oval Office who carries the taint of the Muslim religion and whose middle name is Hussein has IMO a poor grasp of the political realities of the situation)


I didn't think he could do so well in a white-bread red state like Iowa... but he did.

I don't follow american politics, but I think its time for a female or black president in the US :)

Actually, a black, female, lesbian atheist would be the best option ;)

I don't follow american politics, but I think its time for a female or black president in the US :)

Actually, a black, female, lesbian atheist would be the best option ;)

In the frenzy to put Democrats in office a few years back, Dallas, Texas elected a hispanic, female, lesbian to the office of SHERIFF. Everyone woke up the next morning, saying, "How the HELL did that happen???"

Frenzies sometimes have unexpected results.

;)
SMW

In Texas?
How did THAT happen :)

In Texas?
How did THAT happen :)

Like I said... it was a fluke. She's been a fairly good Sheriff, but hasn't been able to accomplish many changes since she's definitely not a member of the Good Ole Boys Club.

Actually, I have a lesbian friend who's also been a friend of Sheriff Lupe's for many years. They go to the same non-demoninational church. She thinks the world of her.

;)
SMW

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This might sound prejudiced, but since I'm female I think I can get away with it... I would much rather see a black guy in office than a woman!

It's amazing how once Hillary is losing.. she's labeled as a "conservative-lite" politician LOL. Talk about "spin machine"...

This might sound prejudiced, but since I'm female I think I can get away with it... I would much rather see a black guy in office than a woman!

Why is that?

It's amazing how once Hillary is losing.. she's labeled as a "conservative-lite" politician LOL. Talk about "spin machine"...
She IS "conservative-lite"... Hell, she and social liberal Giuliani could make a damn good team if you're into that sort of thing. :p

And Dharma, I just don't like women that much. I guess you could call me a sexist. But beyond that, I think politics is a man's game - to be President, you must be able to handle the relentless mudslinging and insults that will be thrown at you constantly from every direction. Therefore, I'd say a woman President would have to be a little bit masculine, or tough. Hillary seems to fit that description. (This is not a jab about her looks - I'm talking about her disposition. Hillary seems like a very resilient woman. There are other reasons that I don't like her, and if I agreed with her politics I'd certainly say she could handle the White House.)

anyone who thinks that ever-so whitebread, ever-so Christian America --collectively-- is going to vote a black man into the Oval Office who carries the taint of the Muslim religion and whose middle name is Hussein........

I didn't think he could do so well in a white-bread red state like Iowa... but he did.

Due in large part, no doubt, to the sheep in Iowa --who collectively are thoroughly infused with a whitebread God-Guns-and-Guts mentality -- being extremely easy to manipulate into the **Fear Hillary, Hate Hillary** {although they cannot seem to figure out why they do} mindset.

(p.s. -- anyone who thinks that ever-so whitebread, ever-so Christian America --collectively-- is going to vote a black man into the Oval Office who carries the taint of the Muslim religion and whose middle name is Hussein has IMO a poor grasp of the political realities of the situation)Then count me among those with a poor grasp of the political reality. I also recall that you predicted the Democrats would not win control of Congress in the last election -- claimed it was impossible, if I'm not mistaken.(just got back from 5 days at the WPT Poker tournament in Tunica, MS)How did you do?

I didn't think he could do so well in a white-bread red state like Iowa... but he did.
That's true......but, there'd also been complaints, there, that outta-state college-students were having a larger-impact on the voting-turnout than locals' preferred.

This might sound prejudiced, but since I'm female I think I can get away with it... I would much rather see a black guy in office than a woman!
Yeah.....that's a big-surprise! :rolleyes:

Why is it that women (seem to) hate each-other, so often????? :confused:

She IS "conservative-lite"... Hell, she and social liberal Giuliani could make a damn good team if you're into that sort of thing. :p

And Dharma, I just don't like women that much. I guess you could call me a sexist. But beyond that, I think politics is a man's game.....
Whew!!! That's quite the political-insight ya' got goin', there!!! :rolleyes:

.....to be President, you must be able to handle the relentless mudslinging and insults that will be thrown at you constantly from every direction. Therefore, I'd say a woman President would have to be a little bit masculine, or tough. Hillary seems to fit that description.

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"Looking at the field, I was taken with Barack Obama. His freshness and message are appealing. I had read his books and agreed with his ideas on governance and the role of the president. I believe that he is a great talent and will be a major player in our party for decades to come.

But late last year I realized I had made the wrong decision. The opportunity for the Democrats to recapture the White House is real. The Bush administration squandered much of the goodwill toward America after Sept. 11, 2001, and, given the events of the past four years, it would be tragic if we selected a nominee who falls short in the general election. And Obama is still largely untested and inexperienced. Even looking at his success in Iowa, which should provide momentum in today's New Hampshire primary, I think that Hillary Clinton is more electable. Obama is attractive, but he would be the object of an unbelievably negative advertising campaign. Hillary has already been vetted beyond imagination (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/07/AR2008010702261.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR)."

Whew!!! That's quite the political-insight ya' got goin', there!!! :rolleyes:

As compared to your "all hail Hillary" political myopia?

Originally Posted by Freethinker
(just got back from 5 days at the WPT Poker tournament in Tunica, MS)

How did you do?

Horrible. No cashes, and got hammered in the side games.

Bleecckh.

face it shaman, you and the clinton team can go back under your rocks where you came from. no one is interested in your lies anymore.
Hit the road, Skippy.

You're still firin' blanks. :rolleyes:

Yeah.....that's a big-surprise! :rolleyes:

Why is it that women (seem to) hate each-other, so often????? :confused:
Well think about all the things men don't like about women... And then you'll know.

Mostly it's just that I don't understand women at all. They do irrational things and I can't possibly even start to analyze the way they think - I just know it's not the same way I do. I've always had more male friends than female friends, and I feel more comfortable associating with men. Not that I don't have any female friends, but I have to try very hard to get them to like me.

Here's an example. There's this girl that I know, and I actually thought she liked me. We were more acquaintances than really good friends, but I had certainly spent time with her and talked to her quite a lot. Anyways, I later found out that she had told all our mutual friends that she hated me, and that I wasn't good enough for my boyfriend (that I had supposedly "stolen" him from his ex, even though he had been single for almost a year before I met him). Then later she had a "dinner party" at her house, making sure to invite everyone we knew, AND my boyfriend. She told him when she invited him that I was "not allowed" to come, and that although she still wanted to be friends with him she didn't think it would be possible if he brought me "everywhere", because I "ruin everything". I later also found out that she and another girl (this one I definitely thought I was on my way towards friendship with) had been plotting to do something "hilarious" to embarrass me in front of everyone.

Anyways this sort of thing has happened to me all my life. It's one of the reasons that, although I am attracted to women, I have never been in a relationship with one. When I lived in Costa Rica, I would literally pay more for my purchases at the grocery store if the cashier was a female. I have been alienated and ridiculed by women all my life, and now my only real female friends are the ones that I've known since I was a child. I just don't see what satisfaction girls get out of making fun of each other and calling each other ugly and fat (I am neither, yet I'm called those things by girls quite often).

Now since I'm done with that long rant... That's certainly not the reason that I don't like Hillary. In fact, I think she's just the type of rational, tough woman that I would really like, as a person. I just don't like her as a politician. :)