Inhaled cannabis smoke has more harmful toxins than tobacco, scientists have discovered.

The Canadian government research found 20 times as much ammonia, a chemical linked to cancer, New Scientist said.

The Health Canada team also found five times as much hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides, which are linked to heart and lung damage respectively.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7150274.stm

I bet it still gets legalized someday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7150274.stm

I bet it still gets legalized someday.

It better! :banana:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7150274.stm

I bet it still gets legalized someday.


it will and until then,people are still going to smoke it same as they do cigarettes.
A few health reports aren't going deter people from it.

Well I am always skeptical when it is a government study! Especially when it comes to marijuana. There have been studies saying there is no link between lung cancer and smoking marijuana too. How many states have medical marijuana now? Several. Anyway you can always buy a vaporizer if your inclined to use it. It is suppose to be a better option than smoking it anyway.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7150274.stm

I bet it still gets legalized someday.

Well I am always skeptical when it is a government study! Especially when it comes to marijuana. There have been studies saying there is no link between lung cancer and smoking marijuana too. How many states have medical marijuana now? Several. Anyway you can always buy a vaporizer if your inclined to use it. It is suppose to be a better option than smoking it anyway.
Vaporizers are damn expensive, though. A Volcano will run you upwards of $600. A cheap metal pipe costs less than 1/100th of that, plus it's cheaper to operate and is simpler to clean.

The lung cancer/pot connection is this: THC opens up your airways and prevents lung cancer, and the tar produced by burning it is carcinogenic. Net result: No effect. Vaporize pot and you have a protective effect against lung cancer.

I don't really care for vaporizers! Volcanos are the cadilac or vaporizers though. I saw one for $420 in San Francisco. But I prefer glass over metal when it comes to pipes. Vaporizers are damn expensive, though. A Volcano will run you upwards of $600. A cheap metal pipe costs less than 1/100th of that, plus it's cheaper to operate and is simpler to clean.

The lung cancer/pot connection is this: THC opens up your airways and prevents lung cancer, and the tar produced by burning it is carcinogenic. Net result: No effect. Vaporize pot and you have a protective effect against lung cancer.

The lung cancer/pot connection is this: THC opens up your airways and prevents lung cancer, and the tar produced by burning it is carcinogenic. Net result: No effect.
:eek:wouldn't opening up your airways more allow that tar to get deeper into your lungs???

Well I am always skeptical when it is a government study! Especially when it comes to marijuana. There have been studies saying there is no link between lung cancer and smoking marijuana too. How many states have medical marijuana now? Several. Anyway you can always buy a vaporizer if your inclined to use it. It is suppose to be a better option than smoking it anyway.

don't feel bad about it, no one wants to hear bad news.

common sense would tell you that smoking anything is a bad idea.

My mom has a vaporizer... A Volcano. In fact, I've been partaking in it all day. :D

My mom has a vaporizer... A Volcano. In fact, I've been partaking in it all day. :D
Your mom has a Volcano, and yet this is the woman who can't afford anything because she has no money? Jeez, she sure has her priorities straight. :rolleyes:

:) My mom has a vaporizer... A Volcano. In fact, I've been partaking in it all day. :D

If you do a search for "no link between marijuana smoking and lung cancer" how many do you come up with? Vaporizers are damn expensive, though. A Volcano will run you upwards of $600. A cheap metal pipe costs less than 1/100th of that, plus it's cheaper to operate and is simpler to clean.

The lung cancer/pot connection is this: THC opens up your airways and prevents lung cancer, and the tar produced by burning it is carcinogenic. Net result: No effect. Vaporize pot and you have a protective effect against lung cancer.

Your mom has a Volcano, and yet this is the woman who can't afford anything because she has no money? Jeez, she sure has her priorities straight. :rolleyes:
Fuck you. Her ex boyfriend gave it to her for Christmas last year. Of course she couldn't afford it by herself. I can't believe what a jerk you are sometimes.

Fuck you. Her ex boyfriend gave it to her for Christmas last year. Of course she couldn't afford it by herself. I can't believe what a jerk you are sometimes.
i'm not saying he's not a jerk, but he does have a point-it still costs money to use...

$600 will still buy a serviceable car. her boyfriend has mixed up priorities too.

If you do a search for "no link between marijuana smoking and lung cancer" how many do you come up with?
make it as available as tobacco, and there will be plenty of connection between the two.

Ya, vaporizers are expensive but I don't even care to use mine much at all. It was given to me by a friend who bought it at the Seattle Hemp Fest last year but I much prefer using a bong.

A metal pipe is hard on your throat but water cooled smoke is much nicer :)

Vaporizors are better for yer lungs and throat but I don't much care for them... as if anyone really gives a rat's hairy ass what I think.

:eek:

Bongs are my favorite too, Scumbelina. The vaporizer is cool but it tastes a little odd. At home my brother and I use a small glass pipe. Better than metal, still easy to stash in a small space.

By the way, I don't buy this "marijuana is worse than cigarettes" crap. Anyone who has smoked weed and cigarettes KNOWS that's not true.

I really am a joint guy when it comes down to it. I use hemp or rice papers though. Regular rolling papers are to harsh!

Joints are ok. I never learned how to roll them though.

Joints are ok. I never learned how to roll them though.


neither did I
I used to get them already rolled,it was a little more but saved me time. Plus it meant I didn't have to ask someone then share it. :D

Bongs are my favorite too, Scumbelina. The vaporizer is cool but it tastes a little odd. At home my brother and I use a small glass pipe. Better than metal, still easy to stash in a small space.

Bongs are great, glass pipes are cool for traveling but vaporizors are an acquired thing, I guess. I just haven't had the desire to acquire it as of yet.

And I agree 100% with you about marijauna not being more toxic and cancer causing than tobacco. I mean really.

Oh, but look who started this thread.

I rest me case. :rolleyes:

If everyone who smoked cigarettes smoked the pure tobacco ones (like American Spirits), then they might be close. But cigarettes are absolutely chock full of terrible stuff. At least weed doesn't have formaldehyde in it! :eek: I suppose it depends on the weed too... Around here it's mainly local home grown, which I suppose is less risky to smoke.

Vaporizers are damn expensive, though. A Volcano will run you upwards of $600.

True, but you can also get them on Craigslist NEW for $450 or so. I got mine used on Craigslist for $325. Have you seen the new digital (http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporizer/volcano-digit.html) ones? Cool!

I really am a joint guy when it comes down to it. I use hemp or rice papers though. Regular rolling papers are to harsh!

I've never even heard of a "Volcano". I prefer joints myself too and I roll my own....by hand and have been ever since someone taught me how. Mine look like cigarettes :D (I've had LOTS of experience!!)

I use the small "Professor" Club papers. Most people don't like 'em because they don't have any glue on them and they tend to come apart easily...but if you just lick your finger and run it down the seam, it will re-seal it ;)

I have a small metal pipe for smoking really good stuff that a friend gives me from time to time too, but I do prefer joints over any other method.

Club were my favorite for a long time. One complaint is that they tend to come apart if you don't smoke them right away though. But they are nice and thin!I've never even heard of a "Volcano". I prefer joints myself too and I roll my own....by hand and have been ever since someone taught me how. Mine look like cigarettes :D (I've had LOTS of experience!!)

I use the small "Professor" Club papers. Most people don't like 'em because they don't have any glue on them and they tend to come apart easily...but if you just lick your finger and run it down the seam, it will re-seal it ;)

I have a small metal pipe for smoking really good stuff that a friend gives me from time to time too, but I do prefer joints over any other method.

Club were my favorite for a long time. One complaint is that they tend to come apart if you don't smoke them right away though. But they are nice and thin!

Yes....they do but like I said....just lick 'em and stik 'em back together again ;)

Bongs are my favorite too, Scumbelina. The vaporizer is cool but it tastes a little odd. At home my brother and I use a small glass pipe. Better than metal, still easy to stash in a small space.
I prefer metal pipes. They're quite easy to clean and dirt cheap. I've never had any harshness issues out of one; usually that's because of some machining oil left on a part during their production. (Most metal pipes are made out of lamp parts.) Glass is nice but somewhat fragile, and you can't take them apart to clean them.

I've never had a joint. I imagine they're a bit harsher because of the extra paper you're burning with them. I've also never used a bong, though I have smoked shisha from a hookah. Smooooooth.

I don't think joints are harsher than pipes. About the same I guess. It's SO much smoother with a bong though.

I have smoked shisha from a hookah. Smooooooth.

What the hell is shisha???

Hey, have you ever smoked salvia? It's a legal heb and very intoxicating. :@@:


It's my new 'vice'.

:)

What the hell is shisha???

Hey, have you ever smoked salvia? It's a legal heb and very intoxicating. :@@:


It's my new 'vice'.

:)
Shisha is the really moist, flavored tobacco that is used in hookahs.

I did smoke salvia, once, over a year ago. However, I didn't get high off of it, as that was the first thing I had ever smoked, so I likely didn't inhale right.

Shisha is the really moist, flavored tobacco that is used in hookahs.

I did smoke salvia, once, over a year ago. However, I didn't get high off of it, as that was the first thing I had ever smoked, so I likely didn't inhale right.

hmm, never heard of shisha.

As far as salvia goes, you hafta get cured salvia, or processed salvia, not the unprocessed plant. That won't get you a buzz at all.

They sell it in different grades (strengths):

5x
10x
15x
20x
30x
40x - - all the way up to... Hell I dunno. Maybe 80x?

Anyway, 20x is rather strong so I prefer 15x. Actually, I just received my order and mixed 15x with 20x so I call it.... you guessed it... 17.5x :)

http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer

Great article, Purple. :)

Here's a good quote from it:
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

The nicotine in tobacco has been shown to inhibit the destruction of cancer-causing cells, Melamede tells WebMD. THC does not appear to do this and may even do the opposite.
So even with the same toxins, tobacco causes cancer while marijuana doesn't... Basically, nicotine inhibits your body's ability to fight cancer, while THC does not. Therefore, the body can fight off the toxins in marijuana and not the toxins in cigarettes, even though cigarettes may have LESS cancer causing agents in them. Very interesting!

What the hell is shisha???

Hey, have you ever smoked salvia? It's a legal heb and very intoxicating. :@@:


It's my new 'vice'.

:)
It's not legal in all states. Most of the southern states have already restricted it.

In Cal, its still under review by the DOHS. You can posess it and consume it, but you cant be "under the influence" or grow it. Sales is up in the air.

It's not legal in all states. Most of the southern states have already restricted it.

In Cal, its still under review by the DOHS. You can posess it and consume it, but you cant be "under the influence" or grow it. Sales is up in the air.

I know it aint legal in all states but it's legal in MY state but the feds are looking into getting it banned in all states. What a total pile of fecal matter that is.

NO HERB should be made illegal, but dat's our fukked up gubent for ya, always poking their fat asses in where they should not.

These are PLANTS and if some of them might make you feel a little better, SO BE IT.

Marijuana is illegal but Prozac is legal and is prescribed like candy.

Does anyone see sumthin wrong with this picture or is it just me??

I know it aint legal in all states but it's legal in MY state but the feds are looking into getting it banned in all states. What a total pile of fecal matter that is.

NO HERB should be made illegal, but dat's our fukked up gubent for ya, always poking their fat asses in where they should not.

These are PLANTS and if some of them might make you feel a little better, SO BE IT.

Marijuana is illegal but Prozac is legal and is prescribed like candy.

Does anyone see sumthin wrong with this picture or is it just me??
It's the pharmaceutical companies lobbyists in DC that are controlling that
"If we didnt manufacture it, It aint good for ya"
AND "If nature made it, it's toxic"

It's the pharmaceutical companies lobbyists in DC that are controlling that
"If we didnt manufacture it, It aint good for ya"
AND "If nature made it, it's toxic"

Pharmaceutical companies can be very dangerous. I'll take my chances with herbs that grow naturally and not some man-made medication that ALWAYS have side effects, no matter how minimal the dose may be.

I guess you could say herbs give you side effects too but not as dangerous as most man-made drugs. ;)

Pharmaceutical companies can be very dangerous. I'll take my chances with herbs that grow naturally and not some man-made medication that ALWAYS have side effects, no matter how minimal the dose may be.

I guess you could say herbs give you side effects too but not as dangerous as most man-made drugs. ;)
Hemlock grows naturally.

So do DeathCaps so you really gotta know yer herbs/fungus before foraging.

most lung cancer from pot are also because these people smoke tobacco too. either cigarettes, or the blunt thing. pot opens the lungs and is a expectorant. smoke pot, add tobacco and increase in ingesting crap into the system.
just smoking pot , i doubt will hurt you. its not like people smoke pot like they smoke cigarettes.
i may smoke 2 bowls a day if i am lucky to have it. but after the second bowl i can't get high like i did with the first bowl. the brain fills with THC and can't take in anymore. if you try to keep getting high after that point, it is useless and a waste of good pot because it takes more and more to get high. find your limit, and stick to it, and you'll notice your bag lasts longer.

Marijuana is illegal but Prozac is legal and is prescribed like candy.

Does anyone see sumthin wrong with this picture or is it just me??


plenty. the companies don't want you to help yourself. i can find most herbs myself, if they grow in my area.
one things for sure, pot doesn't leave a residue in the body that is expelled through wastes and gets into the water , and gets into the food chain. yes, virginia, there are frogs and fish with prozac in them because you took a shit and the waste water treatment plant can't filter the prozac out.

Ok...can anyone tell me what a vaporizer, hookah, shisha, and salvia are?




I'm not a druggie...but I am willing to learn!:D


That and I am too lazy to google them.:lolhit:

Ok...can anyone tell me what a vaporizer, hookah, shisha, and salvia are?
Vaporizer: Device that heats herbs to a temperature where, rather than burning, they vaporize. Healthier way of smoking things, but much more expensive.

Hookah: A water pipe from the Middle East. There are establishments all over the U.S. called hookah bars, very popular with my generation.

Shisha: Flavored tobacco used in hookahs.

Salvia: Legal (in most states) hallucinogenic drug. Generally smoked.

QUOTE] the companies don't want you to help yourself.[/QUOTE]

That is exactly right. They'll lose millions, no, BILLIONS of dollars if that were to happen. The pharmaceutical industry in ths country is enormous and very dangerous. They kill and/or poison thousands of people each year. They don't give a shit about making a person well. They care about getting them dependent on drugs. In other words... CHA-CHING!

i can find most herbs myself, if they grow in my area.

That's cool. I buy my herbs from the internet and have had good luck in doing so.

there are frogs and fish with prozac in them because you took a shit and the waste water treatment plant can't filter the prozac out

Yup! And birth control pills are doing the same thing and many other drugs are ending up in fish too. How messed up is that?

[QUOTE]Salvia: Legal (in most states) hallucinogenic drug. Generally smoked.

I like to refer to it as an herb, not a drug. :D

Yup! And birth control pills are doing the same thing and many other drugs are ending up in fish too. How messed up is that?
Sucks for the fish, but that doesn't mean I'm giving up my birth control. :D

Sucks for the fish, but that doesn't mean I'm giving up my birth control. :D

HAHAHAHAA!! No, you shouldn't give it up but it may, may turn some people off from eating fish.

How about this? You eat lots and lots of fish so you don't hafta take birth control pills anymore, sound like a good deal?

Too freakin funny :D

HAHAHAHAA!! No, you shouldn't give it up but it may, may turn some people off from eating fish.

How about this? You eat lots and lots of fish so you don't hafta take birth control pills anymore, sound like a good deal?

Too freakin funny :D
I don't think that would work... I've never been a huge fan of seafood anyways. I like sushi, but I certainly couldn't eat it every day.

I don't think that would work... I've never been a huge fan of seafood anyways. I like sushi, but I certainly couldn't eat it every day.

Well, shit. I guess you oughta take the BCP's then. As far as sushi goes...... ICK! I used to love it but not anymore.... BUT.... I recently found out they 'Flash Freeze' certain types of fish to kill the wormies that could be, and are most likely in them. Are you familiar with this technology?

You can put fish in yer freezer at home but it will not kill ALL parasites. You gotta Flash Freeze them. I think it goes below -20 degrees, or somewhere near that. The better sushi places always Flash Freeze their fish.

Have you heard of this?

Well, shit. I guess you oughta take the BCP's then. As far as sushi goes...... ICK! I used to love it but not anymore.... BUT.... I recently found out they 'Flash Freeze' certain types of fish to kill the wormies that could be, and are most likely in them. Are you familiar with this technology?

You can put fish in yer freezer at home but it will not kill ALL parasites. You gotta Flash Freeze them. I think it goes below -20 degrees, or somewhere near that. The better sushi places always Flash Freeze their fish.

Have you heard of this?
Nope, but I figured they did something complicated to it to keep it safe to eat...

Nope, but I figured they did something complicated to it to keep it safe to eat...

E X A C T L Y

But - is it safe to eat? I would say NO. Too many other toxins are spilled into your oceans and streams everyday and that is sad beyond belief.


:(

Great article, Purple. :)

Here's a good quote from it:

So even with the same toxins, tobacco causes cancer while marijuana doesn't... Basically, nicotine inhibits your body's ability to fight cancer, while THC does not. Therefore, the body can fight off the toxins in marijuana and not the toxins in cigarettes, even though cigarettes may have LESS cancer causing agents in them. Very interesting!
thanks!;)

QUOTE]


Yup! And birth control pills are doing the same thing and many other drugs are ending up in fish too. How messed up is that?

sadly, that's one of the excuses my wife used to stop using the pill. on top of health risks involved from using them. she'sanother one of those, i wanna live forever crowd. and since condoms are a major sex thrill kill, and she can't use the i.u.d., and we can't afford to get either one of us "fixed", i've stopped sex with her.

the thrill is gone..............
and i've got a bone...........
none at home...............
bleh.

sadly, that's one of the excuses my wife used to stop using the pill. on top of health risks involved from using them. she'sanother one of those, i wanna live forever crowd. and since condoms are a major sex thrill kill, and she can't use the i.u.d., and we can't afford to get either one of us "fixed", i've stopped sex with her.

the thrill is gone..............
and i've got a bone...........
none at home...............
bleh.

Wow, that IS sad but I don't know why condoms can't be used, at least sometimes. Is it yer wife who doesn't like them or izzit you?

I would guess it's you who doesn't like em but wouldn't that be better than NO sex at all?

i can't stand the damn things. by the time you get it on, the thrill is gone. so, i don't bother with it anymore. and i don't believe in "catholic birth control". pull out and pray.
eh, no sex is no big deal. same person for over 15 years, same ol same ol (which she is comfortable with) and i yawn. and no chances of finding a lover, so.... you find something else to do.
like discuss stuff on the net, do my art, hunt, and keep plotting the destruction of civilization.

i can't stand the damn things. by the time you get it on, the thrill is gone.
How long does it take you to put one on? Are you George Costanza? It's rather simple: Rip the package open, roll it on. Does the thrill really depart in that short of a time frame for you?

no chances of finding a lover,

Wow. That seems so grim but I'll ask no questions.

so.... you find something else to do... and keep plotting the destruction of civilization.
How far have you gotten with this task? A meteor strike would sure help, wouldn't you say?

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How far have you gotten with this task? A meteor strike would sure help, wouldn't you say? [/QUOTE]


it is a slow process. much more difficult since the anti-terrorist laws. but there are ways to get around it.

oh, and wait until i tell the wife that the most recent study says that the "pill" reduces the chances of ovarian cancer.

If you abuse in consuming something like coffee, cigars, alcohol, marihuana, it leads you in a bad end...I mean you can consume it but not in a extremly way...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: SPAMMER BANNED!!

oh, and pot smoking is a self regulating thing. IF you let it.
i am at the point where i can only get high once a day. that's it. same sized joint, same weed, and only once.
what most people don't realize is that your brain can only hold so much THC. when this level drops only a little bit and smoking even more is a waste. because it takes so little to go back up, BUT it doesn't last long. you start to go back down again almost immediately.
i always laugh when i see dumbfucks constantly toking trying to stay high. wasting money, weed, and time.
these are the dumbasses that end up on heroin, coke, or such. trying to chase the constant euphoric high. it doesn't work.

Well duh, everyone knows that you have to recognize your "plateau", and smoking more after that is just a waste...

oh, and pot smoking is a self regulating thing. IF you let it.
i am at the point where i can only get high once a day. that's it. same sized joint, same weed, and only once.
what most people don't realize is that your brain can only hold so much THC. when this level drops only a little bit and smoking even more is a waste. because it takes so little to go back up, BUT it doesn't last long. you start to go back down again almost immediately.
i always laugh when i see dumbfucks constantly toking trying to stay high. wasting money, weed, and time.
these are the dumbasses that end up on heroin, coke, or such. trying to chase the constant euphoric high. it doesn't work.
Occasional breaks would also probably be a good idea in order to let your tolerance go down. I've been on one (not voluntarily: Simply can't resupply until this weekend) for the past two weeks, and it's probably something that'll cause my consumption-per-day to go down until my tolerance builds back up again.

But that's true with any drug, including caffeine.

My tolerance never goes up. In fact, I'm fairly sure I'm more of a lightweight now than I was as a novice smoker almost 5 years ago. My tolerance for caffeine is similar... Can't handle the stuff at all....

My tolerance never goes up. In fact, I'm fairly sure I'm more of a lightweight now than I was as a novice smoker almost 5 years ago. My tolerance for caffeine is similar... Can't handle the stuff at all....
Two Pepsis and a latte today made me twitchy in class. Lesson learned.

Well duh, everyone knows that you have to recognize your "plateau", and smoking more after that is just a waste...


change her name to smart mouthed bitch.

change her name to smart mouthed bitch.
Who, me? :D

mental note:
find her. get her drunk and nekkid and take photos.

mental note:
find her. get her drunk and nekkid and take photos.
:lolhit: You better have a shitload of booze then.

:lolhit: You better have a shitload of booze then.

A Shit load of booze is something I DO have. Lemme guess..... your a vodka girl?

Well that's one convient thing about living in the San Francisco bay area there are so many clubs where you can get medical marijuana. And you can even get it delievered to your home. :banana:

A Shit load of booze is something I DO have. Lemme guess..... your a vodka girl?
I used to like vodka best... Now not so much. I'm not picky though. Tequila, vodka, bourbon (a newfound like of mine - my momma's fave), etc. I don't generally like rum too much but I'll certainly drink it. If I'm gonna have a "girly" drink I'd go for a mojito or a Mike's Hard Lemonade or Limeade. Those things are damn good. Basically the only thing I won't drink is beer.

Well that's one convient thing about living in the San Francisco bay area there are so many clubs where you can get medical marijuana. And you can even get it delievered to your home. :banana:
Anyone who acquires medical marijuana while lacking a condition requiring medical marijuana, given the current legal status of same, is a selfish dickhead. Those who abuse the medical marijuana system are making it more difficult to legalize medical weed (and get the feds to butt out) for people who actually need it.

If you want to get high, man up and buy it from the shady-looking Mexican on the street corner or whatnot. Don't weasel out and abuse a system designed for people who actually need it.

Anyone who acquires medical marijuana while lacking a condition requiring medical marijuana, given the current legal status of same, is a selfish dickhead. Those who abuse the medical marijuana system are making it more difficult to legalize medical weed (and get the feds to butt out) for people who actually need it.

If you want to get high, man up and buy it from the shady-looking Mexican on the street corner or whatnot. Don't weasel out and abuse a system designed for people who actually need it. And that has what to do with me? I have my doctors approval. And it is a bona-fide reason. 100% I assure you. And I would hardly recomend illegally buying drugs from some shady-looking person on the street corner!! The ones who are abusing the medical marijuana system are the get-rich quick doctors that only do medical marijuana evaluations for $100 to anyone that has the money to give them. But at the same time I'm sorry that you have to buy your pot on the street corner from a shady looking mexican-bummer.

And that has what to do with me? I have my doctors approval. And it is a bona-fide reason. 100% I assure you. And I would hardly recomend illegally buying drugs from some shady-looking person on the street corner!! The ones who are abusing the medical marijuana system are the get-rich quick doctors that only do medical marijuana evaluations for $100 to anyone that has the money to give them. But at the same time I'm sorry that you have to buy your pot on the street corner from a shady looking mexican-bummer.
All right, then that post wasn't directed towards you.

All right, then that post wasn't directed towards you. I have one friend that is a medical marijuana user and certainly qualifies for it and he thinks that to many people are getting cards for just having headaches but Propsititon 215 list migraines as one reason to be able to use medical marijuana. I think it is more the "pot docs" making money off just seeing a person for a few minutes for $$ There are many doctors in California that make a living off just doing that. And one doctor supposedly wrote a recomendation for a guys dog!!!. That was smart. That doctor in San Diego is in all kinds of trouble. Also some of the club owners are a little less than compassionate. They drive expensive cars and obvioulsy flaunt that they make a lot of money off of medical marijuana. One dumb-ass in Bakersfield that ran a pot club and was making at least 2 million a year made a terrible rap video flaunting all the money he was making and saying the feds could not do anything to him. Well he was wrong. I can't believe he was that stupid. I mean a dumb white guy has every right to make a bad rap video but he got himself in a lot of trouble with the feds. A club that is suspected of money laundering is subject to getting raided by the FEDS. Norther California is more open than southern california although Los Angeles has a lot of clubs! San Diego and the Inland Empire(Riverside and San Bernadino county) are a lot less tolerant of medical marijuana and some cities have placed bans on medical marijuana dispensories. Also if you have a medical marijuana card in California you can grow your own medicine. Each county has its plant limits. One county-Mendocino has a 25 plant limit for any adult that wants to grow marijuana. There the feds are more worried about people growing on federal land. Most of the time it is organized criminals from south of the border growing pot with elaborate systems in state parks! It is really a big business and they should just legalize it for adults and tax it like cigarettes. Well that's my opinion anyway.

if people knew how many people smoked pot in my area they'd probably shit themselves.
they go to church, they're doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc..

You can get medical marijuana for migraines? Holy shit, I'm moving to California! I have so many migraines, I should buy some Excedrin stock.

If you do a search-California Propsition 215 you can read about it, if your interested.

Anyone who acquires medical marijuana while lacking a condition requiring medical marijuana, given the current legal status of same, is a selfish dickhead. Those who abuse the medical marijuana system are making it more difficult to legalize medical weed (and get the feds to butt out) for people who actually need it.

If you want to get high, man up and buy it from the shady-looking Mexican on the street corner or whatnot. Don't weasel out and abuse a system designed for people who actually need it. So your encouraging people to buy pot on the street corner from shady-looking mexicans on the street corner. In California those guys are not usually selling pot they are looking for day jobs. They are everywhere. Usually if I see anyone selling pot it is some young looking hippie guy. At least in San Francisco. But I never have to buy off the street I get it delievered by Green Cross. Sometimes I go to a club also.

if people knew how many people smoked pot in my area they'd probably shit themselves.
they go to church, they're doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc..

it always surprises me when people say this, the shitting themselves part, because i just assume this is the norm. its a damn shame all of us law abiding (except for this one thing) upstanding citizens have to hide out to enjoy ourselves. but we are everywhere.

and ya know what? as for being poor and still enjoying the herb. don't judge. sometimes when you are in a bad situation, you just need a moment to relax and change your mindset for a bit, to keep you from becoming clinically depressed or something worse. which is more counterproductive than spending money on pot instead of bills. been there, done that. i'm not saying smoke crack and ignore your problems. but an occasional bong hit to get your head out of a bad place can't hurt.

now i've moved to a new state where everything is more difficult and the money is less, so i'm on rather frequent lengthy breaks, which could be good, but i'm not too happy about it.

and even though this topic has strayed from the original post, i'm happy i found it. :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_re_us/hallucinogenic_plant



TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - On Web sites touting the mind-blowing powers of salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out! ... stock up while you still can."

You bet I will!

That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana. Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, are considering a ban or have previously.

"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

A FELONY? Are you kidding me? What a bunch of shit that is. Five years in prison??? Oh for the love of…

Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.

So make it illegal if trying to drive while under the influence, like with alcohol. DUUUUUH.

Native to Mexico and still grown there, salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.

Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of traveling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects.

Yaaaaahooooo!!!!

Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.

Up to an HOUR? How about 2 - 10 minutes, tops?

No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.

Oh, and that teenager had many problems in life but of course they blame it on salvia. HAHA! Idiots.

"Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."

It surely is ;)

Salvia's short-lasting effects and fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, lawmakers say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.

Made his mood darker? Well, that’s interesting since it’s been used to alleviate depression for the past 200+ years.

Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

Saving one child form WHAT? Having a good time that is safe?

An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labeled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavors including apple, strawberry and spearmint.

Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality.

Groovy man, Groovy. :cool:

Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.

Put me on that list, please.

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Touché

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

"It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.
Moreover, it's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. National and state surveys on drug use don't include salvia, and because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics, either.

San Diego State University last year surveyed more than 1,500 students and found that 4 percent of participants reported using salvia in the past year.

OH NO!! Four percent? AYE AYE AYE!!! :rolleyes:

Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

Excuse me but marijuana and LSD should NOT be in the same classification, you fukkin retards.

Florida state Sen. Evelyn Lynn, whose committee plans to study the salvia bill Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

And I say you should be lobotomized.

"I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.

Whatta nitwitted tight-assed puss. Hey, I wonder if she's a Republican. hmmmm.....

I definitely agree with you, Scummy. This is just another overreaction...

I definitely agree with you, Scummy. This is just another overreaction...

It's just so lame and unnecessary, I don't know what to do with myself now.

Except for buying more salvia, that is. :cool:

STUPID FREAKING LAWMAKING IDIOTS!!

How dare you take this herb away from me, I mean us??


It really makes no good sense at all. NONE!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_re_us/hallucinogenic_plant



TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - On Web sites touting the mind-blowing powers of salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out! ... stock up while you still can."

You bet I will!

That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana. Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, are considering a ban or have previously.

"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

A FELONY? Are you kidding me? What a bunch of shit that is. Five years in prison??? Oh for the love of…

Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.

So make it illegal if trying to drive while under the influence, like with alcohol. DUUUUUH.

Native to Mexico and still grown there, salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.

Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of traveling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects.

Yaaaaahooooo!!!!

Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.

Up to an HOUR? How about 2 - 10 minutes, tops?

No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.

Oh, and that teenager had many problems in life but of course they blame it on salvia. HAHA! Idiots.

"Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."

It surely is ;)

Salvia's short-lasting effects and fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, lawmakers say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.

Made his mood darker? Well, that’s interesting since it’s been used to alleviate depression for the past 200+ years.

Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

Saving one child form WHAT? Having a good time that is safe?

An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labeled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavors including apple, strawberry and spearmint.

Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality.

Groovy man, Groovy. :cool:

Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.

Put me on that list, please.

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Touché

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

"It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.
Moreover, it's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. National and state surveys on drug use don't include salvia, and because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics, either.

San Diego State University last year surveyed more than 1,500 students and found that 4 percent of participants reported using salvia in the past year.

OH NO!! Four percent? AYE AYE AYE!!! :rolleyes:

Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

Excuse me but marijuana and LSD should NOT be in the same classification, you fukkin retards.

Florida state Sen. Evelyn Lynn, whose committee plans to study the salvia bill Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

And I say you should be lobotomized.

"I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.

Whatta nitwitted tight-assed puss. Hey, I wonder if she's a Republican. hmmmm..... They have been talking about salvia on the local news lately. They are telling people to stock up before it is made illegal in California. They interviewed a few young men that had tried the drug and they said that you hallucinate intensely for 15 minutes and then back to normal. One guy said he fell into a rabbit hole and ended up in France and the other guy said his arms were melting but it was really cool. Hmm, The are also looking into using it in the treatment of people that are bipolar. You can buy it in smoke shops all around the San Francisco bay area. I think the guys they interviewed were in Berkeley and probably college students. I have never tried the stuff.

My mom said she had a terrible experience with salvia... So I'm not sure I should try it, since I'm not sure just how similar to my mother I am.

They have been talking about salvia on the local news lately. They are telling people to stock up before it is made illegal in California. They interviewed a few young men that had tried the drug and they said that you hallucinate intensely for 15 minutes and then back to normal. One guy said he fell into a rabbit hole and ended up in France and the other guy said his arms were melting but it was really cool. Hmm, The are also looking into using it in the treatment of people that are bipolar. You can buy it in smoke shops all around the San Francisco bay area. I think the guys they interviewed were in Berkeley and probably college students. I have never tried the stuff.

Wow, those guys must have done some powerful stuff. It comes in many different strenghts, ranging from 5x (weakest) to 100x (stongest). The strongest I've done is 20x but I really like the 5x the best. I call it "BabyX". :p

But it usually only lasts for about 2 minutes or so, at least for me anyways.

Whatever music I'm listening to, it takes me to that place. One time, some tribal sounding music that came on XM radio and I swear I was on a reservation and I could see a few Indians in the distance. It was cool!

Another time, I did a hit and there was song that took me to a playground and I was sitting in a sandbox with other kids around. HAHA!!

Once, after I did a hit, a mechanical sounding song came on and I swear I was going thru a processing machine and being processed. It was very trippy and I was actually rolling around on the floor during the experience. That was a hit of 20x ;)

It's sometimes rather strange but has never been scary.

My mom said she had a terrible experience with salvia... So I'm not sure I should try it, since I'm not sure just how similar to my mother I am.

Try some BabyX. That's the weakest grade and very enjoyable.

i'll stick to weed.

the only thing lawyers and lawmakers are good for is target practice.

Salvia - Legal High But Still Cause For Concern http://www.citynews.ca/images/jul1907-salvia.JPG
It's a plant - and its extract gives users an LSD-like high. No, it's not the latest target in the U.S. War On Drugs. In fact, it's perfectly legal.

There a plant close to this called Jimson weed. http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/10/25/ot-jimsonweed-2001.jpg
Deadly hallucinogenic weed sends 15 teens to hospital (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/10/24/ot-jimson-071024.html)

Salvia - Legal High But Still Cause For Concern http://www.citynews.ca/images/jul1907-salvia.JPG
It's a plant - and its extract gives users an LSD-like high. No, it's not the latest target in the U.S. War On Drugs. In fact, it's perfectly legal.

There a plant close to this called Jimson weed. http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/10/25/ot-jimsonweed-2001.jpg
Deadly hallucinogenic weed sends 15 teens to hospital (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/10/24/ot-jimson-071024.html)

I don't see how jimson weed is that close to salvia since one gives you a whacky but SAFE high and the other one can kill you, or so they say.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

http://www.salvia.net/en/warnings.htm
Warnings Health risks

You are likely to pass out well before you come anywhere near a fatal overdose. Only when using a large dose of pure salvinorin, the risks are a lot higher. This should be avoided.

I never heard about it Salvia "A" nor tried the other I just thought a warning was do.

http://www.salvia.net/en/warnings.htm
Warnings Health risks

I never heard about it Salvia "A" nor tried the other I just thought a warning was do.

Wow, I've seen more stern warnings on a box of sparklers. In other words, salvia is safe in you have enuff sense to use it properly, like don't do a hit and go driving, even if 'driving' actually enters your mind and I can tell ya, it won't.

But you should definitely be sitting down or you may fall down and go boom. Ya, it makes yer equilibrium a little off for a minute or two so sitting or laying down is important.

Plus to enhance the high considerably.... CLOSE YER EYES!!

That is of utmost importance ;)

And have some cool music on, not the TV or yakky radio.

Plus to enhance the high considerably.... CLOSE YER EYES!!

That is of utmost importance[/B] ;)

And have some cool music on, not the TV or yakky radio.

I'll be spending a few month this spring in the hills at a cottage alone to bad I wasn't going in the Fall hey. The stuff won't be around yet.

Now I got this education.

I'll be spending a few month this spring in the hills at a cottage alone to bad I wasn't going in the Fall hey. The stuff won't be around yet.

Now I got this education.

If yer talkin about salvia, it's always around. Lookee here...

http://www.alienthings.com/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=salvia%2015x

Her prices are the best around and she loves aliens and she's cute too. I mean, how wrong can you go with that?

ENJOY if you choose to partake :p

I tried Salvia. I hated it. It was the worse feeling I would never want to have again. I felt like I was looking through a tunnel and felt helpless. I have smoked marijuana,kief,hashish and hash oil and never had a bad experience like Salvia. My friend said he had a similiar bad experience. Just smoke some good pot.

Oh man... My boyfriend's nerdy friends are good for one thing: fucking GREAT weed. Friday night and Saturday night I was sooo toasted. It was great.

I tried hash a couple times. I liked it a lot too.

What is a vaporizer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer

vaporizer = only thc and nothing else.