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afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 12:36 AM
A tiger mauled and killed a man at the San Francisco zoo today. Two brothers were also mauled and in critical condition. The same tiger bit off skin of a zookeepers arm last year during a public feeding demonstration. When the police got there the tiger was on a person and they had to shoot the tiger! :eek:
pinkster
12-26-2007, 01:02 AM
Time to send Mr. Lion back to the wild for attitude adjustment.
afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 01:18 AM
Time to send Mr. Lion back to the wild for attitude adjustment. Well it was a tiger and the cop shot him dead!!
pinkster
12-26-2007, 01:23 AM
Lions , tigers all the same to me. Big mean cat! I was hoping the tiger survived the shot.
afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 01:26 AM
Lions , tigers all the same to me. Big mean cat! I was hoping the tiger survived the shot. Well I wish they would have taken the tiger from the zoo last year when it bit the arm of the zookeeper! And I'm willing to bet the zoo feels the same way.
pinkster
12-26-2007, 01:31 AM
Probably would have been the better idea.
rendova
12-26-2007, 07:45 AM
A tiger mauled and killed a man at the San Francisco zoo today. Two brothers were also mauled and in critical condition. The same tiger bit off a zookeepers arm last year! When the police got there the tiger was on a person and they had to shoot the tiger! :eek:
Wow...it was my understanding that when a tiger or other wild beast at a zoo attacked a zookeeper or any other person, that animal was immediately destroyed.
Apparently not.
paulc
12-26-2007, 10:29 AM
It seems that in SF a tiger is issued with its own key for the cage.
A serious security review seems to be in order.
The cat cant be blamed for eating.
Tho what a nightmare, could you imagine bringing the kids to the zoo and that happening.
Scumbelina
12-26-2007, 11:12 AM
I don't blame the tiger one bit. Wildlife should never be taken from their natural environment and locked in a cage. That is criminal and the zookeeper got what he deserved.
Too bad the murderous cop didn't get mauled next.
Zoos are many times EVIL but I feel that remark is gonna get slammed.
I'll wait patiently for the big surprise to unfold...
:corn:
afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 11:19 AM
It seems that in SF a tiger is issued with its own key for the cage.
A serious security review seems to be in order.
The cat cant be blamed for eating.
Tho what a nightmare, could you imagine bringing the kids to the zoo and that happening. Well they don't know how the tiger got out of her cage-yet. She should have not have been able to jump. The tiger grotto is surrounded by a 15-foot-wide moat and a 20-foot-high-wall. They spent $250,000 in safety upgrades last year. They said the tiger did not leave out of her door. Of course the cops and firemen were there looking for other victims last night. The zoo is closed today out of remembrance for the person killed. He was in his 20's and the other two guys that were bit have teeth marks on their head but I think they are going to live. It was the headling in the San Francisco chronicle along with a picture of Titiana the 4 year old Siberian tiger! And more people get killed by tigers each year than any other animal. According to the zoo.
paulc
12-26-2007, 11:30 AM
more people get killed by tigers each year than any other animal.Especially at San Francisco zoo.
It really isnt good enough of the zoo to NOT KNOW how this cat got out.
afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 11:44 AM
I don't blame the tiger one bit. Wildlife should never be taken from their natural environment and locked in a cage. That is criminal and the zookeeper got what he deserved.
Too bad the murderous cop didn't get mauled next.
Zoos are many times EVIL but I feel that remark is gonna get slammed.
I'll wait patiently for the big surprise to unfold...
:corn: Well what about the inncocent guy that just happened to be at the zoo? The cops had to protect the other people.
Scumbelina
12-26-2007, 11:56 AM
Well what about the inncocent guy that just happened to be at the zoo? The cops had to protect the other people.
As for the innocent guy, it's too bad he was picked off but hey, zoos are bad news and should be boycotted by all.
Just my 2.5 centavos ;)
afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 12:04 PM
Well I'm sure it will be investigated!But they really should have done something when the tiger bit the zookeeper last year. I guess that $250,000 they spent was sort of wasted. Especially at San Francisco zoo.
It really isnt good enough of the zoo to NOT KNOW how this cat got out.
mikezila
12-26-2007, 12:57 PM
Especially at San Francisco zoo.
you beat me to the punch:slap:
mikezila
12-26-2007, 01:00 PM
Well I wish they would have taken the tiger from the zoo last year when it bit the arm of the zookeeper! And I'm willing to bet the zoo feels the same way.
where would they take it from the zoo? it's already in animal jail...sure, in better conditions then they would ever find in the wild, but they still can't leave:(
~Sal~
12-26-2007, 02:09 PM
It seems that in SF a tiger is issued with its own key for the cage.
A serious security review seems to be in order.
The cat cant be blamed for eating.
Tho what a nightmare, could you imagine bringing the kids to the zoo and that happening.
LOL... gives a whole new meaning to the word dinner....
afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 04:56 PM
where would they take it from the zoo? it's already in animal jail...sure, in better conditions then they would ever find in the wild, but they still can't leave:( Well that is probably why they kept it. Maybe no other zoo would take it.
paulc
12-26-2007, 04:58 PM
I think this Tigger would have to be placed in a suprmax zoo.
If they hadnt stiffed it.
MichelleG.
12-26-2007, 05:36 PM
I wanna know how on earth this tiger was able to get out in the first place. From my understanding on how the cage doors work and seeing the "pit" that this tiger was roaming around in,the only way it could have escaped is if someone was careless and left the cage open or someone let it loose on purpose.
afinertouch5
12-26-2007, 06:06 PM
I wanna know how on earth this tiger was able to get out in the first place. From my understanding on how the cage doors work and seeing the "pit" that this tiger was roaming around in,the only way it could have escaped is if someone was careless and left the cage open or someone let it loose on purpose. Maybe she jumped the fence somehow and then swam the moat!
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 08:46 AM
Well my heart really goes out to the family of Carlos Sousa the 17 from San Jose who was killed by the tiger. Looks like no zoo officials or police have even contacted the family. The father did not even know about the tiger attack til the next morning when the coroner contacted him to identify the body! The two other guys that were injured were 19 and 23(brothers). Looks like the tiger stalked them and found them 300 feet from the tiger grotto. The police got there in time to save them but now evidence is coming out that they were taunting the tiger and danglind their feet after climbing the fence. The tiger may have bit one of the guys legs and then tracked them by the trail of blood. The three men were together at the zoo. When the cops got there they thought that there were several tigers loose! It was chaos. The zoo is old and has a lack of emergency lighting,video surveilance cameras and maps. Even thought they killed the one tiger they thought there were several other tigers loose too. The zoo had closed at 5 but there were still a lot of people there. They have 60 big cats at the zoo and any of them could have done the same thing and they would have forgot about it 15 minutes later. They don't dwell on things like that. The only thing the dwell on is if someone mistreats them.At least that is what zoo officials say. Hmm, maybe the dangling leg and taunting was just to much for poor Tatriana! Carlos Sousa jr.(the boy that was killed) has a page on myspace. His parents are separated but of course together in this time of crisis. The mom was expecting Carlos for Christmas dinner later that day!
MichelleG.
12-27-2007, 09:16 AM
it's sad all around
Wonder if the dink who was taunting this tiger will get any kind of reprimand or something? Probably not:rolleyes:
Canadianreader
12-27-2007, 11:10 AM
I would expect a Tiger to kill people if it was out from its cage. What's new in the animal kingdom is wolves attacking people, that effects more people than this story.
Why are the wolves this can they not find food?
MichelleG.
12-27-2007, 11:17 AM
we're not talking about a tiger that was out in the wild doing what comes naturally. This was a caged in tiger that was taunted and somehow got loose and yes killed someone. Had these guys not teased this tiger and it not gotten loose it wouldn't have killed and injured these men.
MichelleG.
12-27-2007, 11:24 AM
What's new in the animal kingdom is wolves attacking people, that effects more people than this story.
Why are the wolves this can they not find food?
isn't there already a thread about this?
the problem with wolves is people moving into their habitats and again they are doing what comes naturally to them. Although it will never happen,if humans would just stop building in wild animals habitats this would decrease.
Canadianreader
12-27-2007, 11:32 AM
we're not talking about a tiger that was out in the wild doing what comes naturally. This was a caged in tiger that was taunted and somehow got loose and yes killed someone. Had these guys not teased this tiger and it not gotten loose it wouldn't have killed and injured these men.
Teasing the animals I didn't here that. I'l reread the posts to see what I missed.
OK: That was stupid teasing the animal for sure.
MichelleG.
12-27-2007, 11:34 AM
The police got there in time to save them but now evidence is coming out that they were taunting the tiger and danglind their feet after climbing the fence.
it was in AFT's post above mine
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 11:36 AM
the problem with wolves is people moving into their habitats and again they are doing what comes naturally to them. Although it will never happen,if humans would just stop building in wild animals habitats this would decrease
How very true that is but unfortunately, will not likely happen. I find the whole tiger mauling/killing situation very sad but my heart goes out the the TIGER as well.
:(
MichelleG.
12-27-2007, 11:45 AM
How very true that is but unfortunately, will not likely happen. I find the whole tiger mauling/killing situation very sad but my heart goes out the the TIGER as well.
:(
no,it won't happen cause people want their homes in the woods,on a big lake,with nothing but quiet around them. And where is all this quietness usually found? In the middle of an animal habitat.
I don't think the tiger should have been killed. Someone mentioned using tranqs earlier,that seems more logical but then again stupid people aren't very logical.
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 11:54 AM
no,it won't happen cause people want their homes in the woods,on a big lake,with nothing but quiet around them. And where is all this quietness usually found? In the middle of an animal habitat.
I don't think the tiger should have been killed. Someone mentioned using tranqs earlier,that seems more logical but then again stupid people aren't very logical.
Yup, I live out by a lake and lots of trees and I go walking a lot and if a get mauled or eaten by a bear or wolf.... SO BE IT. Leave the animals alone! They were here long before us selfish humans invaded their habitat.
At least I feed the deer, raccoons, 'possums, and birds everyday. It kind of makes up for my presence... doesn't it? :confused:
And I totally agree about the tiger being tranqued and NOT shot to death. That makes me very angry indeed.
Question: Was the guy who got killed one of the taunters and did the other people who got mauled the taunters too or were they all innocent bystanders?
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 12:09 PM
Well I am not sure that some wolves attacking some people up in anchorage that were in the wild and probably looking for food effects more people then the tiger killing someone. Of course the tiger was doing what tigers do but it still effects a lot of people. What do you think the effect on the sf zoo as well as other zoos will be. I sure that will have a big effect. Wild animals attack people in the wild all the time. And when people build on the wild animals natural habitat more attacks occur. I would expect a Tiger to kill people if it was out from its cage. What's new in the animal kingdom is wolves attacking people, that effects more people than this story.
Why are the wolves this can they not find food?
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 12:13 PM
Well from what I have gathered the three were all together visiting from San Jose and they were the ones taunting the tiger. Maybe not all three but we don't know yet. They found footprints on the fence and a bloody shoe!Yup, I live out by a lake and lots of trees and I go walking a lot and if a get mauled or eaten by a bear or wolf.... SO BE IT. Leave the animals alone! They were here long before us selfish humans invaded their habitat.
At least I feed the deer, raccoons, 'possums, and birds everyday. It kind of makes up for my presence... doesn't it? :confused:
And I totally agree about the tiger being tranqued and NOT shot to death. That makes me very angry indeed.
Question: Was the guy who got killed one of the taunters and did the other people who got mauled the taunters too or were they all innocent bystanders?
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 12:18 PM
Well where I live is a bird santuary so I have lots of birds. My cats like it here! I also have opposums,raccoons, and skunks a plenty. They will come right up to my sliding glass door. I have some great pictures. I try not to feed them though although sometimes I break down and give the mother racoon and her three kids something.
MichelleG.
12-27-2007, 12:23 PM
Well where I live is a bird santuary so I have lots of birds. My cats like it here! I also have opposums,raccoons, and skunks a plenty. They will come right up to my sliding glass door. I have some great pictures. I try not to feed them though although sometimes I break down and give the mother racoon and her three kids something.
alot of places like Tractor Supply Company carry different kinds of food different animals will eat. I don't see anything wrong with making sure theres food available to the animals should they not be able to find it themselves during the winter
let1959
12-27-2007, 12:39 PM
If it's found that these 3 idiots had something to do with the Tiger's attack, then they got exactly what they deserved..sorry, but I don't have sympathy for punks. It's shameful they had to kill the Tiger for behaving like he's supposed to.:slap:
paulc
12-27-2007, 12:40 PM
All I can say is,
isnt it better that this cat got out when it did, rather than someday a school trip of toddlers were visiting.
If these guys were teasing the Tiger and were able to scale the fence, plus
the cat was able to get out, then something is seriously wrong there.
As for the cops, their job is to protect life. If they come across a Tiger with a head in its mouth, they aint gonna wait for the vet to arrive with a syringe.
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 12:51 PM
yes, if the zoo wanted to shoot the tiger with a tranqulizer gun they should have had one handy. And they should have speakers throughout the park to warn people in case of an emergency. A zoo official said that they just did it by word of mouth. :@@: All I can say is,
isnt it better that this cat got out when it did, rather than someday a school trip of toddlers were visiting.
If these guys were teasing the Tiger and were able to scale the fence, plus
the cat was able to get out, then something is seriously wrong there.
As for the cops, their job is to protect life. If they come across a Tiger with a head in its mouth, they aint gonna wait for the vet to arrive with a syringe.
paulc
12-27-2007, 12:54 PM
Yeah-I been around a few zoo's in IRL/UK and none of them had cages that were totally enclosed-theres always an open air roof.
I think all zoo's will need to review how they house these animals.
F. de Marzipan
12-27-2007, 12:56 PM
And they should have speakers throughout the park to warn people in case of an emergency. A zoo official said that they just did it by word of mouth. :@@:
I doubt they had time to get to the speaker system before the attack was over.
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 12:58 PM
If it's found that these 3 idiots had something to do with the Tiger's attack, then they got exactly what they deserved..sorry, but I don't have sympathy for punks. It's shameful they had to kill the Tiger for behaving like he's supposed to.:slap:
I SO COMPLETELY AGREE. What idiots!
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 12:59 PM
Well where I live is a bird santuary so I have lots of birds. My cats like it here! I also have opposums,raccoons, and skunks a plenty. They will come right up to my sliding glass door. I have some great pictures. I try not to feed them though although sometimes I break down and give the mother racoon and her three kids something.
I have to ask - do you keep yer cats indoors or let them roam free?
DarkFantasy96
12-27-2007, 01:00 PM
If it's found that these 3 idiots had something to do with the Tiger's attack, then they got exactly what they deserved..sorry, but I don't have sympathy for punks. It's shameful they had to kill the Tiger for behaving like he's supposed to.:slap:
Definitely. Zoos work hard to keep people safe, but they can't prevent everything - especially if the guys weren't following the rules.
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 01:04 PM
All I can say is,
isnt it better that this cat got out when it did, rather than someday a school trip of toddlers were visiting.
If these guys were teasing the Tiger and were able to scale the fence, plus
the cat was able to get out, then something is seriously wrong there.
As for the cops, their job is to protect life. If they come across a Tiger with a head in its mouth, they aint gonna wait for the vet to arrive with a syringe.
Uh, it isn't a syringe they use to tranqualize large animals. It's a dart, shot by a gun and every zoo has them on their premises so they didn't have to wait for a vet so show up.
I think the whole thing is horrible and again, my heart goes out to the tiger, like it or not. :-(
paulc
12-27-2007, 01:12 PM
Uh, it isn't a syringe they use to tranqualize large animals. It's a dart, shot by a gun and every zoo has them on their premises so they didn't have to wait for a vet so show up.
I think the whole thing is horrible and again, my heart goes out to the tiger, like it or not. :-(
Uh-I know that they use a Dart gun.
Tho there was a failure on that also.
I dont blame the cat either, Im just saying it would have been a fucken disaster if a school trip of, say, 5 and 6 year olds were there at the time.
The cops were right to stiff the Cat, but the Cat getting out was the zoo's fault, even if it was being teased.
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 01:23 PM
Uh-I know that they use a Dart gun.
Tho there was a failure on that also.
I dont blame the cat either, Im just saying it would have been a fucken disaster if a school trip of, say, 5 and 6 year olds were there at the time.
The cops were right to stiff the Cat, but the Cat getting out was the zoo's fault, even if it was being teased.
Seems strange how they got 4 (or so ) cops to show up with guns sooner than they got their own staff to show up with a dart gun. Does that seem strange to you too?
I think the cat getting out wasn't really the zoos fault, it was the taunting idiot's fault that that even happened but I'm sure the zoo will make all kinds of changes to avoid that in the future.
Ya know, like locking them behind steel bars like they did years ago?
How sickening it all is.
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 01:25 PM
They can go wherever they want and they never go to far from the house. The wild animals don't bother them. I try not to have them outside when the racoons are there but the raccoons just ignore them. My one cat wants to play with the racoons but my other cat growls at them. They both seem to avoid the skunks although one ran up to a skunk and smelled it. I freaked out, but the skunk never even noticed and my cat ran away after he smelled the skunk. One of the kid racoons even plays with one of my cat toys. It's a ball inside a track which the cat,or racoon can't get out and the ball just rolls around in a circle. I think it is funny. Only the one raccoon does it. He plays with it more than my cats ever do. I have a tub of water they like to jump around in too.I have to ask - do you keep yer cats indoors or let them roam free?
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 01:29 PM
Well the tiger was out for 15 minutes supposedly. And some sort of intercom system seems to be needed. I doubt they had time to get to the speaker system before the attack was over.
paulc
12-27-2007, 01:29 PM
Seems strange how they got 4 (or so ) cops to show up with guns sooner than they got their own staff to show up with a dart gun. Does that seem strange to you too?
I think the cat getting out wasn't really the zoos fault, it was the taunting idiot's fault that that even happened but I'm sure the zoo will make all kinds of changes to avoid that in the future.
Ya know, like locking them behind steel bars like they did years ago?
How sickening it all is.
The Tiger getting out shows the cage wasnt secure. So the zoo's fault.
paulc
12-27-2007, 01:32 PM
Well the tiger was out for 15 minutes supposedly. And some sort of intercom system seems to be needed.
Yes-Can you imagine it.
''Ladies and Gentlemen, one of our Siberian Tigers has escaped and is on the loose-would you please make your way to the exits in an orderly fashion''. :)
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 01:34 PM
Now they are saying that maybe one of the guys was dangling his leg over and the tiger may have even jumped and grabbed it and that allowed the tiger to get over the fence. And the guy dangling his leg was not the guy killed. They are saying now the guy that got killed went back when he saw his friend being mauled by the cage. The tiger turned his attention to him killed him while the other two ran away. Then the tiger went after the trail of blood and found the other two and mauled them. So the guy killed might have not actually been teasing the cat but just trying to help his friend when he heard him yelling. It's still under investigation though!!
paulc
12-27-2007, 01:36 PM
The cat climbing over the guy on the fence makes sense.
smartmouthwoman
12-27-2007, 01:45 PM
Yep, working in zoos is definitely hazardous to one's health...
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/gator.jpg
RNPS PICTURES OF THE YEAR - A crocodile at a zoo in the southern Taiwan city of Kaohsiung holds the forearm of a zoo veterinarian in between its teeth, April 11, 2007. The crocodile bit off the arm of the zoo veterinarian treating it, an official reported. .
REUTERS/Frank Lin (TAIWAN)
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 01:53 PM
They can go wherever they want and they never go to far from the house. The wild animals don't bother them. I try not to have them outside when the racoons are there but the raccoons just ignore them. My one cat wants to play with the racoons but my other cat growls at them. They both seem to avoid the skunks although one ran up to a skunk and smelled it. I freaked out, but the skunk never even noticed and my cat ran away after he smelled the skunk. One of the kid racoons even plays with one of my cat toys. It's a ball inside a track which the cat,or racoon can't get out and the ball just rolls around in a circle. I think it is funny. Only the one raccoon does it. He plays with it more than my cats ever do. I have a tub of water they like to jump around in too.
Ok, sounds like they're all getting along but the poor little mousies who come out at night may not be enjoying it much. Oh well, sounds like you have a happy family :)
Scumbelina
12-27-2007, 01:56 PM
Yep, working in zoos is definitely hazardous to one's health...
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/gator.jpg
RNPS PICTURES OF THE YEAR - A crocodile at a zoo in the southern Taiwan city of Kaohsiung holds the forearm of a zoo veterinarian in between its teeth, April 11, 2007. The crocodile bit off the arm of the zoo veterinarian treating it, an official reported. .
REUTERS/Frank Lin (TAIWAN)
I have a pic similar to that and it was done in Photoshop. I'm not saying THAT was photoshopped but I really wonder.
:rolleyes:
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 02:05 PM
One of my cats is a mouser. I have only seen him eating one once though and that's gross! Oh well, he seemed to have eaten all except for some internal organ. Not sure which one I was not that interested!Ok, sounds like they're all getting along but the poor little mousies who come out at night may not be enjoying it much. Oh well, sounds like you have a happy family :)
smartmouthwoman
12-27-2007, 02:17 PM
I have a pic similar to that and it was done in Photoshop. I'm not saying THAT was photoshopped but I really wonder.
:rolleyes:
If it was, they fooled Yahoo, too! (not saying that's HARD!)
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Kaohsiung-zoo-veterinarian/photo//071203/ids_photos_wl/r81489243.jpg/;_ylt=AqLOscZrAymi0.0bTBNFoEsDW7oF
afinertouch5
12-27-2007, 08:28 PM
Well they now know the tiger got out going over the wall which they found out was only 12.5 feet high and not the minimum required which is only 16.4. Looks like the two survivors did not cooperate very well when they got to the hospital. Maybe they were drunk. They also have had some disordly conduct promblens is San Jose. But it is still all under investigation and the zoo has not returned a call to the parents of the boy who was killed. That's kind of sad! Also there was no bloody shoe but only a footprint that they are going to compare to the three victims shoes.
MichelleG.
12-28-2007, 08:02 AM
Well they now know the tiger got out going over the wall which they found out was only 12.5 feet high and not the minimum required which is only 16.4. Looks like the two survivors did not cooperate very well when they got to the hospital. Maybe they were drunk. They also have had some disordly conduct promblens is San Jose. But it is still all under investigation and the zoo has not returned a call to the parents of the boy who was killed. That's kind of sad! Also there was no bloody shoe but only a footprint that they are going to compare to the three victims shoes.
I seen that last night on the news. It's still tough to believe the tiger jumped the wall over the moat. I guess tigers are better jumpers than anyone gave them credit for.
I'm wondering if the two men who survived are going to face some kind of charges in their friends death?
Frogger
12-28-2007, 08:13 AM
I don't think the two survivors will be charged with anything but now that it has come out that the wall was about 25% lower than the recommended height the zoo is likely to be facing large law suits.
MichelleG.
12-28-2007, 08:17 AM
I don't think the two survivors will be charged with anything but now that it has come out that the wall was about 25% lower than the recommended height the zoo is likely to be facing large law suits.
I would expect the Zoo to take alot of the heat on this. I was only wondering if the 2 other men would get anything seeing as they teased this tiger into attacking them which led to the tiger jumping the wall and killing their friend.
smartmouthwoman
12-28-2007, 08:18 AM
Amazing... tigers seem to be in the spotlight lately!
Dead tiger found in Dallas
09:09 PM CST on Thursday, December 27, 2007
By JOANNA CATTANACH / The Dallas Morning News
The Dallas Zoo's veterinary staff spent Thursday examining a tiger found dead and wrapped in a bloody sheet in east Oak Cliff.
Sanitation workers responding to a call to the city's service hotline on Christmas Day found the tiger's body near Interstate 35 and Overton Road, city spokeswoman Danielle McClelland said.
Intersection of Interstate 35E and Overton Road. The tiger had suffered at least five bullet wounds, including one through its heart.
The female Bengal tiger mix is estimated to be between 1 and 2 years old, 6 feet long and about 180 pounds. Bengal tigers are native to India and the surrounding Indian subcontinent.
The tiger was declawed, had a collar and a wire cable that may have served as a leash attached to it.
"It's very disturbing," said Chuck Siegel, the zoo's deputy director of animal management. "It raises a lot of questions. Who is keeping a tiger and in what conditions in or near the city of Dallas?"
It is illegal for individuals to keep exotic animals within city limits.
Because the animal had been declawed, it's likely that it had been to a veterinarian, Mr. Siegel said. There were no apparent signs of neglect or abuse.
"It looked like it was in good health," he said.
Mr. Siegel said the tiger's body was examined Thursday after zoo officials contacted the U.S. Agriculture Department's Investigative and Enforcement Services division. Federal investigators will be on hand today to look into the case.
The tiger was found the same day a Siberian tiger was shot after it escaped its enclosure and attacked visitors at the San Francisco Zoo, killing one person and injuring two others.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/122807dnmettiger.59eb712e.html
MichelleG.
12-28-2007, 08:21 AM
that is sad SMW :(
people want these animals for pets and then they get huge and they don't want them anymore or the animal isn't what they thought it was going to be.
stupid people:rant:
smartmouthwoman
12-28-2007, 08:28 AM
that is sad SMW :(
people want these animals for pets and then they get huge and they don't want them anymore or the animal isn't what they thought it was going to be.
stupid people:rant:
Really stupid people! The cat had been declawed, but still had it's teeth -- go figure? Hope they find the people responsible for it, but that's a fat chance. It was found in a bad part of town... near the 'hood. No telling where it was being kept.
Sickening.
Frogger
12-28-2007, 08:42 AM
People seem to be blaming the victims for their maulings. It is being assumed that they taunted the tiger and that one of them even hung his legs over the side.
One of our posters is even sad that the cop who probably saved the life of at least one of the other victims wasn't killed instead of the tiger.
paulc
12-28-2007, 09:17 AM
I was wondering when was the last time a 'Death by Tiger Attack' was registered in the United States.
smartmouthwoman
12-28-2007, 09:26 AM
I was wondering when was the last time a 'Death by Tiger Attack' was registered in the United States.
Nearly happened to Sigfreid... or was it Roy? Of course, that was in Vegas and we all know... what happens in Vegas, STAYS in Vegas!
;)
SMW
P.S. Glad to see you didn't leave us, Paul. You would have been missed, darlin!
paulc
12-28-2007, 09:30 AM
Thanks SMW.
No one else wud have me :(
The Praetorian
12-28-2007, 09:44 AM
Especially at San Francisco zoo.
It really isnt good enough of the zoo to NOT KNOW how this cat got out.
What are you still doin' here???? ;) :D
paulc
12-28-2007, 10:12 AM
I was just reading something you sent me there-thank you.
Im in favour of keeping wild animals who are bred in captivity where they are.
If for example, the deceased cat had been set free in its native country, it would have been rejected by its own kind, and wouldn't last a day.
On an after thought-Im wondering if the cop who stiffed it will be allowed to have its head mounted on his living room wall. :)
smartmouthwoman
12-28-2007, 10:45 AM
I was just reading something you sent me there-thank you.
Im in favour of keeping wild animals who are bred in captivity where they are.
If for example, the deceased cat had been set free in its native country, it would have been rejected by its own kind, and wouldn't last a day.
On an after thought-Im wondering if the cop who stiffed it will be allowed to have its head mounted on his living room wall. :)
Oooooh and a rug made from its hide to place in front of the fireplace.
I know, I know... :slap: me.
afinertouch5
12-28-2007, 10:55 AM
No water in the moat!!!!! It was a dry moat. They have been talking about it this morning on the local news. Oh well, if it made it that far a little water is not going to stop a tiger I guess. They can swim. This exhibit was built in the 40's and the zoo has thought the wall was higher than it was all this time!!! By the way, the two survivors are brothers.
paulc
12-28-2007, 10:58 AM
By the way, the two survivors are brothers.
That would be like a double big mac-to a tigger.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:05 PM
Amazing... tigers seem to be in the spotlight lately!
Dead tiger found in Dallas
09:09 PM CST on Thursday, December 27, 2007
By JOANNA CATTANACH / The Dallas Morning News
The Dallas Zoo's veterinary staff spent Thursday examining a tiger found dead and wrapped in a bloody sheet in east Oak Cliff.
Sanitation workers responding to a call to the city's service hotline on Christmas Day found the tiger's body near Interstate 35 and Overton Road, city spokeswoman Danielle McClelland said.
Intersection of Interstate 35E and Overton Road. The tiger had suffered at least five bullet wounds, including one through its heart.
The female Bengal tiger mix is estimated to be between 1 and 2 years old, 6 feet long and about 180 pounds. Bengal tigers are native to India and the surrounding Indian subcontinent.
The tiger was declawed, had a collar and a wire cable that may have served as a leash attached to it.
"It's very disturbing," said Chuck Siegel, the zoo's deputy director of animal management. "It raises a lot of questions. Who is keeping a tiger and in what conditions in or near the city of Dallas?"
It is illegal for individuals to keep exotic animals within city limits.
Because the animal had been declawed, it's likely that it had been to a veterinarian, Mr. Siegel said. There were no apparent signs of neglect or abuse.
"It looked like it was in good health," he said.
Mr. Siegel said the tiger's body was examined Thursday after zoo officials contacted the U.S. Agriculture Department's Investigative and Enforcement Services division. Federal investigators will be on hand today to look into the case.
The tiger was found the same day a Siberian tiger was shot after it escaped its enclosure and attacked visitors at the San Francisco Zoo, killing one person and injuring two others.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/122807dnmettiger.59eb712e.html
Unbelievably cruel and senseless.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:08 PM
One of our posters is even sad that the cop who probably saved the life of at least one of the other victims wasn't killed instead of the tiger
Oh man, what a horrible person that idiot must be. That person should be shot dead!
Oh wait, I think yer talkin about me.
Nevermind.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:09 PM
What are you still doin' here???? ;) :D
HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA ! ! ! !
Hi, laffing buddy! Long time no yak.
:)
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:12 PM
Im wondering if the cop who stiffed it will be allowed to have its head mounted on his living room wall. :)
What an ass-holish thing to say.
Criminy sakes alive.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:14 PM
Oooooh and a rug made from its hide to place in front of the fireplace.
I know, I know... :slap: me.
I'ma gonna KILL yoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too fukkin funny cuz I know you don't mean it... do you??
Foolsworth
12-28-2007, 01:16 PM
People seem to be blaming the victims for their maulings. It is being assumed that they taunted the tiger and that one of them even hung his legs over the side.
One of our posters is even sad that the cop who probably saved the life of at least one of the other victims wasn't killed instead of the tiger.
If the Tiger was taunted,the the Taunter deserves whatever
they got.It's no different that somone who starts toyin around
with a dog when they are being fed.
That's my take.
Animals don't have a pathology of Killing or tauntin for sheer
entertainment.
Humans learn that,an dMore Today then when I was growing up.
Like Steve Irwin.
He Taunted animals.I was always struck by his cocky arrogance
around deadly animals.Irwin was a jerk.
His popularity faded,as soon as the Masses came round to their
senses and realized he {Irwin } thrived on a Camera showcasing how
he can Rattle animals.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:24 PM
If the Tiger was taunted,the the Taunter deserves whatever
they got.It's no different that somone who starts toyin around
with a dog when they are being fed.
That's my take.
Animals don't have a pathology of Killing or tauntin for sheer
entertainment.
Humans learn that,an dMore Today then when I was growing up.
Like Steve Irwin.
He Taunted animals.I was always struck by his cocky arrogance
around deadly animals.Irwin was a jerk.
His popularity faded,as soon as the Masses came round to their
senses and realized he {Irwin } thrived on a Camera showcasing how
he can Rattle animals.
Steve Irwin was not a jerk but the doofus taunting the tiger at the zoo is.
Nuff said.
smartmouthwoman
12-28-2007, 01:28 PM
I'ma gonna KILL yoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too fukkin funny cuz I know you don't mean it... do you??
Nah, I don't mean it... but then again, it's already dead, right??
Reminds me of when my lil drama-queen stepbro lived with me and sneaked out owing me $$$$. He left behind a trunk full of 'skins' -- zebra, leopard, tiger... thought I'd hit me a goldmine! He told me earlier they came from a famous Dallas designer (he borrowed and never returned 'em). So I take them down to the designer district, thinking I'm gonna recoop some of my losses, only to find out they were 'printed cowhides.' Never heard of such a thing. The good news is... if they were real, I'd have gone to jail! Took my $200 and was glad to get it!
(Yeah, yeah I know... now you're gonna get all sappy about the poor cow. Don't feel bad, I'm sure we ate him.)
:banana:
SMW
Foolsworth
12-28-2007, 01:34 PM
Steve Irwin was not a jerk but the doofus taunting the tiger at the zoo is.
Nuff said.
Just because Iwin got almost instant Canonization for being
SO entertaining with his Animal boldness doesn't mean that
he was a good animal expert.Jim Fowler,Marlin Perkins
and Jack Hanna never ever pulled the stunts that Irwin did
with regularity.Irwin became a hit,at the expense of animals
being prodded with sticks and taunted.
Just like when he took his infant boy and held out to within a
few feet of a Crocodile.
Irwin was a jerk.
I don't care how popular he was.
I called it right,way before that Stingrayay plugged him.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:35 PM
Nah, I don't mean it... but then again, it's already dead, right??
Reminds me of when my lil drama-queen stepbro lived with me and sneaked out owing me $$$$. He left behind a trunk full of 'skins' -- zebra, leopard, tiger... thought I'd hit me a goldmine! He told me earlier they came from a famous Dallas designer (he borrowed and never returned 'em). So I take them down to the designer district, thinking I'm gonna recoop some of my losses, only to find out they were 'printed cowhides.' Never heard of such a thing. The good news is... if they were real, I'd have gone to jail! Took my $200 and was glad to get it!
(Yeah, yeah I know... now you're gonna get all sappy about the poor cow. Don't feel bad, I'm sure we ate him.)
:banana:
SMW
Oh good gawd, you sure do make me laff even tho you love many animals moreso after they are DEAD.
Hmmm, I wonder how an SMW skin would look on my floor? hmmmm....
:D :D :D :D :D
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 01:47 PM
Just because Iwin got almost instant Canonization for being
SO entertaining with his Animal boldness doesn't mean that
he was a good animal expert.Jim Fowler,Marlin Perkins
and Jack Hanna never ever pulled the stunts that Irwin did
with regularity.Irwin became a hit,at the expense of animals
being prodded with sticks and taunted.
Just like when he took his infant boy and held out to within a
few feet of a Crocodile.
Irwin was a jerk.
I don't care how popular he was.
I called it right,way before that Stingrayay plugged him.
Oh, come now. He's an expert so holding his son semi-close to a crocodile was nothing to fear and he knew it. Too bad he got pad press over that and there are many who knew what he did was not endangering his kid at all.
And he didn't taunt animals like you say he did, but even if he did, he did it for a reason, not to act in front of a camera. Prodding a croc with a stick isn't what I'd call "at the animals expense." He had to prod them to get them to move in a certain direction and the animal was always unscathed by it. In other words - NO BIG DEAL.
Foolsworth
12-28-2007, 01:48 PM
[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]Nah, I don't mean it... but then again, it's already dead, right??
Reminds me of when my lil drama-queen stepbro lived with me and sneaked out owing me $$$$. He left behind a trunk full of 'skins' -- zebra, leopard, tiger... thought I'd hit me a goldmine! He told me earlier they came from a famous Dallas designer (he borrowed and never returned 'em). So I take them down to the designer district, thinking I'm gonna recoop some of my losses, only to find out they were 'printed cowhides.' Never heard of such a thing. The good news is... if they were real, I'd have gone to jail! Took my $200 and was glad to get it!
Jail ... why that means Scandal.And then Prison and No more job
or friends.And of course No more Computer gizmo thinghy ruse
stuff ta keep ya busy.
And no more Bailey's or even Good Donuts.
paulc
12-28-2007, 03:34 PM
What an ass-holish thing to say.
Criminy sakes alive.
Scumbelina-maybe you can tell me what the difference is between this post
77 and 78.
Thanks.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 05:04 PM
Scumbelina-maybe you can tell me what the difference is between this post
77 and 78.
Thanks.
Sure thing. I've known SMW for almost ten years now and I knew she was joking with her post. She was reflecting on your post but adding humor to it.
Sorry but I don't know you very well, therefore, I saw no humor in your post whatsoever and I found it truly distasteful.
If you were trying to be funny, I apologize for spouting off at you but keep in mind, I'm an animal lover and animal rights activist and that's why I said what I did.
So like.... are we ok now or do you wanna filet me?
:eek:
paulc
12-28-2007, 05:10 PM
Fair enough then :)
Tho as an after thought-if the tigger is dead, what would it matter, it wasnt exactly hunted.
Scumbelina
12-28-2007, 05:15 PM
Fair enough then :)
Tho as an after thought-if the tigger is dead, what would it matter, it wasnt exactly hunted.
Cool :)
I just thought (hoped) the cop felt kind of bad about having to kill such a beautiful animal doing what it's born to do and wouldn't even think of mounting it's head on his wall.
On the other hand, maybe he's a macho sumbitch and really wants to do that. eeek!
mikezila
12-28-2007, 06:10 PM
Cool :)
I just thought (hoped) the cop felt kind of bad about having to kill such a beautiful animal doing what it's born to do and wouldn't even think of mounting it's head on his wall.
On the other hand, maybe he's a macho sumbitch and really wants to do that. eeek!
hunting tigers with a handgun sounds like fighting off a bear with a knife-not something sane ppl would do, but you have to work with what you have.
Foolsworth
12-28-2007, 06:55 PM
hunting tigers with a handgun sounds like fighting off a bear with a knife-not something sane ppl would do, but you have to work with what you have.
Anthony Hopkins did just that with a nice custom pocketknive he
received as a B'day present in :
- The Edge - {1997}
* I studied Knives and Blade steel for awhile.
I have some nice knives but haven't got a Damascus Folder yet.
Or a Custom Bowie Hunting knive.
mikezila
12-28-2007, 07:24 PM
Anthony Hopkins did just that with a nice custom pocketknive he
received as a B'day present in :
- The Edge - {1997}
* I studied Knives and Blade steel for awhile.
I have some nice knives but haven't got a Damascus Folder yet.
Or a Custom Bowie Hunting knive.
i'm talking reality, not a movie. not that you can tell the difference:rolleyes:
Foolsworth
12-28-2007, 09:20 PM
i'm talking reality, not a movie. not that you can tell the difference:rolleyes:
Oh My bad.I keep furgettin Movies are juts Hollywood and these hear posts are like the
real deal.
afinertouch5
01-05-2008, 09:26 AM
Well the two brothers were drunk and smoking marijuana if turns out. They found an empty bottle of vodka in their car(which was impounded). One of the paramedics said the older brother told the younger brother not to tell them what they did! Hmm, there was supposedly a fourth person that has not been identified. The guy that was killed supposedly was not taunting the tiger according an eyewitness who said the other guys were taunting the tiger. The zoo has reopened but was closed after one day because of an power outage because of the bad storm we had. Now they are saying the polar bear exhibit wall is to low!
Frogger
01-06-2008, 09:01 AM
Even if they were taunting the tiger the zoo is still at fault. The fence around the enclosure was much too low for safety. You don't build a fence just high enough to keep a calm tiger in. You should build it high enough to keep an agitated tiger in also.
afinertouch5
01-06-2008, 09:33 AM
Well I don't think you will find anyone disagreeing with you that the zoo is at fault for not making sure that their visitors are safe from animal attacks but that does not mean that the two brothers will not face some sort of criminal charges. By the way, the first day the zoo was opened after the attack saw twice as many visitors as it did the same day last year even though we were having rain and high winds this year!