A young blonde Icelandic woman's recent experience visiting the US (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/145536-A-young-blonde-Icelandic-woman-s-recent-experience-visiting-the-US)
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My Advise: Don't go to the US.

A young blonde Icelandic woman's recent experience visiting the US (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/145536-A-young-blonde-Icelandic-woman-s-recent-experience-visiting-the-US)
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My Advise: Don't go to the US.


My advice (not "advise"): Don't come to US message boards!

Although I don't agree with what happened with this Icelandic lady(as I have also heard this from friends overseas that refuse to step in this country ever again), but what bothers me is when Canadians speak against the US. It is OUR foreign and defense policy that enables you(Canadians) to feel safe and have the extra money for your social programs. Ask any Canadian and they say " I don't like the US foreign policy, but I feel safe next to the US". Well let me tell you something, Mr. Hockey, it IS INDEED our foreign policy that makes you safe.

Now, with what happened to the lady, that is terrible and we must use better judgement.

My advice (not "advise"): Don't come to US message boards!

Although I don't agree with what happened with this Icelandic lady(as I have also heard this from friends overseas that refuse to step in this country ever again), but what bothers me is when Canadians speak against the US. It is OUR foreign and defense policy that enables you(Canadians) to feel safe and have the extra money for your social programs. Ask any Canadian and they say " I don't like the US foreign policy, but I feel safe next to the US". Well let me tell you something, Mr. Hockey, it IS INDEED our foreign policy that makes you safe.

Now, with what happened to the lady, that is terrible and we must use better judgement.

Fine I won't come anymore

Fine I won't come anymore

you break the rules you pay the penalty. You over stay a visa and your going to run into trouble.....

I believe this lady totally disregarded the rules.and when it came back to haunt her she is crying foul. initially when she was questioned about she she did not try to explain WHY she did not follow the rules,but her defense was that she has been back in the US since and didn't run into problems.

This is not the 70s,80,s or even the 90s.... if you travel abroad you need to follow the rules. incase you didn't see over there in the tundra also known as canada... the US suffered a horrific terrorist attack,that killed over 3000 people. it was carried out by people who overstayed their visas...

i have sympathy an Iceland socialite here in NY for a shopping spree had to go through a trying ordeal... how many people want to be she doesn't over stay her visa again?

They went overboard with this. They should have just made her pay a fine or something.

A young blonde Icelandic woman's recent experience visiting the US (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/145536-A-young-blonde-Icelandic-woman-s-recent-experience-visiting-the-US)
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My Advise: Don't go to the US.
5 hours? BFD, i've had longer traffic stops:rolleyes:

My advice (not "advise"): Don't come to US message boards!

Although I don't agree with what happened with this Icelandic lady(as I have also heard this from friends overseas that refuse to step in this country ever again), but what bothers me is when Canadians speak against the US. It is OUR foreign and defense policy that enables you(Canadians) to feel safe and have the extra money for your social programs. Ask any Canadian and they say " I don't like the US foreign policy, but I feel safe next to the US". Well let me tell you something, Mr. Hockey, it IS INDEED our foreign policy that makes you safe.

Now, with what happened to the lady, that is terrible and we must use better judgement.
try showing a little tolerance-not everyone's 1st language is English:rolleyes:

They went overboard with this. They should have just made her pay a fine or something.
it's about the same overseas if you screw around with customs elsewhere.

My advice (not "advise"): Don't come to US message boards!

It is OUR foreign and defense policy that enables you(Canadians) to feel safe and have the extra money for your social programs. Ask any Canadian and they say " I don't like the US foreign policy, but I feel safe next to the US". Well let me tell you something, Mr. Hockey, it IS INDEED our foreign policy that makes you safe.



Sorry about this but I have three kids and I have begged them not to go to Mexico or the US..........School trips.

Maybe things will be different later

This is the transcript of the actual radio conversation of a us naval ship with canadian autorities off the coast of Newfoundland.

Canadian: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the captain of a us navy ship. I say again, divert your course.

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert your course.

Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous suppoert vessels. I demand that you change your course 15 degrees north, I say again, thats one five degrees north, or counter-measures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

This is the transcript of the actual radio conversation of a us naval ship with canadian autorities off the coast of Newfoundland.

Canadian: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the captain of a us navy ship. I say again, divert your course.

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert your course.

Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous suppoert vessels. I demand that you change your course 15 degrees north, I say again, thats one five degrees north, or counter-measures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.Ha ha! That's pretty funny -- and, of course, not a true story:

http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp

Ha ha! That's pretty funny -- and, of course, not a true story:

http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp
They place the story as thirty or forty years old.
Well now I know

5 hours? BFD, i've had longer traffic stops:rolleyes:
Apparently you didn't read the article very carefully... She was held for 14 hours without the chance to eat or sleep, and then for another nine hours after being given some food.

Anyways, I agree with mostly everything people have said here. They went overboard with this, but obviously she shouldn't have been surprised about being punished. Although, really, she overstayed her visa for three weeks in 1995 and has been to the U.S. since then, but now they decide that she's such a threat that she has to have handcuffs and leg chains, be interrogated for hours on end, and brought to jail?? Seems slightly ridiculous.

And Mesk, I somewhat agree with you. It sometimes bothers me too when people from outside the U.S. insult us. I've heard stories from people I know of going to Europe and literally being spit on for being an American, things like that. I doubt that would happen in Canada, but the point is not liking our government policies shouldn't mean disrespecting the people of our nation.

well if that account is true - and who knows if it is true, then it is totally & utterly fucked up. Nobody should be treated like that. She overstayed her visa in 1995 by 3 weeks - big fucking deal. A fine is in order - not some auschwitz flashback.

Unfortuanately this is the product of a 'horse has left the stable' knee jerk reaction process handed over to $10 an hour goons to enforce.

That woman should get a personal apology from the President himself.

Fine I won't come anymore

That's not needed. I was just making a point. What happened to this lady is fucked up and we have gone wayyyyy overboard with this security bullshit. I can't believe we still have to take our shoes off!

I guess I just didn't like your "advise" of "Don't go to US". In recent years, tourism to the US has actually grown beyond pre 9-11 years. That's million and millions of happy and satisfied visitors every year WITHOUT any problems. It is unfair to pick out 10 or 20 events and say "Don't go to the US".

I will give my personal experience for y'all. I am a US citizen of indian descent and probably look arab to a lot of people. Last two years I lived in the UAE (oh my god! in the middle east???). I actually expected some shit when I would return to the US from UAE. However, at no time was I questioned about anything -and rightly so! My tax dollars at work I guess...

well if that account is true - and who knows if it is true, then it is totally & utterly fucked up. Nobody should be treated like that. She overstayed her visa in 1995 by 3 weeks - big fucking deal. A fine is in order - not some auschwitz flashback.

Unfortuanately this is the product of a 'horse has left the stable' knee jerk reaction process handed over to $10 an hour goons to enforce.

That woman should get a personal apology from the President himself.

I wouldn't go that far. Although I agree that she should not have been treated that way, I don't believe that overstaying a visa in ANY country by 3 weeks is ok. Imagine if you overstayed 3 weeks in Iceland. How would they react?

Well now I know
Thats what happens when you choose to believe anything negative about a subject. Remember that the next time you're looking for more anti-american stories. You wont, but i tried.

I don't believe that overstaying a visa in ANY country by 3 weeks is ok. Imagine if you overstayed 3 weeks in Iceland. How would they react?

I didn't say it was ok - it's just not crime of the century. We have millions of people in the US not only overstaying their visa - they DONT HAVE a visa & for them the discussion is should we give them drivers licenses.

This woman should have been given a fine. It was 12 years ago, she'd been the US since then without any problems. Her "crime" didn't warrant the Gestapo treatment.

And - yes I can imagine what it would be like to overstay a Icelandic visa by 3 week - it is a 100% certainty that the outcome would not involve starvation, disregard of human rights and storm troopers.

I didn't say it was ok - it's just not crime of the century. We have millions of people in the US not only overstaying their visa - they DONT HAVE a visa & for them the discussion is should we give them drivers licenses.

This woman should have been given a fine. It was 12 years ago, she'd been the US since then without any problems. Her "crime" didn't warrant the Gestapo treatment.

And - yes I can imagine what it would be like to overstay a Icelandic visa by 3 week - it is a 100% certainty that the outcome would not involve starvation, disregard of human rights and storm troopers.
it was 5 freaking hours! and if the truth be known, it wouldn't have been that long if she hadn't been running her mouth about having been back since 95-that's when the mood changed.

anyone wanna bet that the reason she was repeatedly questioned was because there was no record of that trip after 95?

re-read the report - it was way more than 5 hrs & your apparent justification is nothing but imagination - you don't know if she was running her mouth, or what records they have of her post 1995 trip.

The report may not be even true - but stick to what is written in the account - don't make stuff up just to satisfy your requirement to find no fault

Apparently you didn't read the article very carefully... She was held for 14 hours without the chance to eat or sleep, and then for another nine hours after being given some food.

Anyways, I agree with mostly everything people have said here. They went overboard with this, but obviously she shouldn't have been surprised about being punished. Although, really, she overstayed her visa for three weeks in 1995 and has been to the U.S. since then, but now they decide that she's such a threat that she has to have handcuffs and leg chains, be interrogated for hours on end, and brought to jail?? Seems slightly ridiculous.

And Mesk, I somewhat agree with you. It sometimes bothers me too when people from outside the U.S. insult us. I've heard stories from people I know of going to Europe and literally being spit on for being an American, things like that. I doubt that would happen in Canada, but the point is not liking our government policies shouldn't mean disrespecting the people of our nation.
you're right-repeatedly seeing "5 hours" beat that into my brain...:@@:

still, i've had a 14 hour traffic stop once, but it involved firetrucks, hazmat clean up, and a lot more questions and answers than when i got caught coming back thru Windsor when i wasn't supposed to be out.

I had landed I had something to eat and drink for the first time. I was given porridge and bread
that itself seems fishy...unless it was breakfast time. then the time spans seem completely logical. it's detention, not a hotel.

re-read the report - it was way more than 5 hrs & your apparent justification is nothing but imagination - you don't know if she was running her mouth, or what records they have of her post 1995 trip.

The report may not be even true - but stick to what is written in the account - don't make stuff up just to satisfy your requirement to find no fault
right, no computer has ever lost a record:rolleyes:

Wouldn't have happened that way in most civilised nations. Seems the US, in fear, is willing to let go of the things that made it a good place to be. Shame really.

right, no computer has ever lost a record:rolleyes:

The point is - you are just making this up. Nothing in that report said records were lost.

Wouldn't have happened that way in most civilised nations. Seems the US, in fear, is willing to let go of the things that made it a good place to be. Shame really.
Oh fuck off, seriously. Look at me, I'm from the U.S.! I'm an uncivilized redneck quaking in fear of terrorism and supporting the mistreatment of innocent people! Look, when you say "the U.S.", you're referring to the people, not just the government.

Then perhaps you 'ordinary' folk need to do something about the kinds of things YOUR government is doing on YOUR behalf?

Yeah I felt stupid saying that but left it on the board anyways.

The whole story alarms me because the US in a major international hub for Flyer's. I've never flown but I know that to get some where you must enter the US and fly from there but it can be unfriendly and that term is used then.

Wouldn't have happened that way in most civilised nations. Seems the US, in fear, is willing to let go of the things that made it a good place to be. Shame really.

WRONG!!!....We in North America are only beginning to do things that most of the world has been doing already.

Ever try flying in the middle east?. And ....They shoot and ask questions later

What we go through is nothing .

Thats what happens when you choose to believe anything negative about a subject. Remember that the next time you're looking for more anti-american stories. You wont, but i tried.I found it at canadaforums link to humor Humor2k (http://www.humor2k.com/index.php?func=jokes&content=military&j=24&pagenum=1/)
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Then perhaps you 'ordinary' folk need to do something about the kinds of things YOUR government is doing on YOUR behalf?
Do you seriously think we're not? It's absolutely ridiculous to impugn an entire country based on that country's government. By your standards, all of Germany during WWII was wholly responsible for the Nazi concentration camps.

I have no idea what the word "Nazi" is even doing in this thread...

What's New Zealand ever done good or bad for the world?

Oh fuck off, seriously. Look at me, I'm from the U.S.! I'm an uncivilized redneck quaking in fear of terrorism and supporting the mistreatment of innocent people! Look, when you say "the U.S.", you're referring to the people, not just the government.

Now DF... you know that we have 300+ million citizens, and a huge government payroll that includes many are in the law enforcement fields. We should never have ANY mistreatment of ANYone for ANY reason. You should know by now that the rest of the "civilized" world is perfect... it is America that is the root of all evil. Why, even when some terrorist goes and attacks us, it's really OUR fault for being too "mean".

Seriously, I grow tired of this bull shit. Is the U.S. perfect? Why hell no, but it's a damn sight better than the vast majority of the limp-dicked other countries that tell us how savage we are... until the shit hits the fan and they need some help when another nation attacks or a natural disaster befalls them.

Damn... I'm sounding like Prae... lol.

Now DF... you know that we have 300+ million citizens, and a huge government payroll that includes many are in the law enforcement fields. We should never have ANY mistreatment of ANYone for ANY reason. You should know by now that the rest of the "civilized" world is perfect... it is America that is the root of all evil. Why, even when some terrorist goes and attacks us, it's really OUR fault for being too "mean".

Seriously, I grow tired of this bull shit. Is the U.S. perfect? Why hell no, but it's a damn sight better than the vast majority of the limp-dicked other countries that tell us how savage we are... until the shit hits the fan and they need some help when another nation attacks or a natural disaster befalls them.

Damn... I'm sounding like Prae... lol.

I remember sept 11 Canada let every plane land here or else they would have all crashed.

I have no idea what the word "Nazi" is even doing in this thread... Watching all those nazi movies of people being brought place to place in chains, no food, no phone call.

I remember sept 11 Canada let every plane land here or else they would have all crashed.
WTF are you talking about?

Now DF... you know that we have 300+ million citizens, and a huge government payroll that includes many are in the law enforcement fields. We should never have ANY mistreatment of ANYone for ANY reason. You should know by now that the rest of the "civilized" world is perfect... it is America that is the root of all evil. Why, even when some terrorist goes and attacks us, it's really OUR fault for being too "mean".

Seriously, I grow tired of this bull shit. Is the U.S. perfect? Why hell no, but it's a damn sight better than the vast majority of the limp-dicked other countries that tell us how savage we are... until the shit hits the fan and they need some help when another nation attacks or a natural disaster befalls them.

Damn... I'm sounding like Prae... lol.

Here's how one Canadian journalist put it

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

Yes..it's dated, but change some dates and events and it pretty well says it all

WTF are you talking about?

Its well know here in Canada you don't know anything about it?

Well know here you don't know anything about it?
...What? I recognize all these words, but strung together they do not form a coherent sentence.

I do recall that international flights on September 11th were diverted to Canada, but it certainly wasn't "all" flights. Many wouldn't have enough fuel to get there.

...What? I recognize all these words, but strung together they do not form a coherent sentence.

I do recall that international flights on September 11th were diverted to Canada, but it certainly wasn't "all" flights. Many wouldn't have enough fuel to get there.
That right and that what I meant, the shit hit the fan and Canada stepped in and we were thanked for it.

My Country is in Afghanistan and taking more casualties per capita and some here think its all America standing up for North America.

All hail Canada! Your contributions to world peace and harmony FAR outshine anything that the U.S. has ever done! We bow to your greatness!

:worship:

I remember sept 11 Canada let every plane land here or else they would have all crashed.

Yeah right - they would have all just crashed :@@:

Seriously - Canada is nice and all - but lets face it - it's a frozen fucking tundra 6 months of the year with a handful of citizens that sit pretty because they are totally protected by the US.

Canada is of no use to anybody & although it seems to somehow believe it is important - it's only importance is whatever it manages to soak up from it's border with the US. Canada is insignificant - it's about as valuable as luxemborg.

Any Canadian with half a brain is already living in the US.

All hail Canada! Your contributions to world peace and harmony FAR outshine anything that the U.S. has ever done! We bow to your greatness!

:worship:
sending about 1500 more troops to Afghanistan would be thanks enough.........

sending about 1500 more troops to Afghanistan would be thanks enough.........

Canada should keep it's troops - the only value Canadian troops bring is some kind of Public Relations exercise. 1500 troops is nothing. The US troops shouldn't even be there - so the Canadian troops should stay home.

Canada is a big old vast totally worthless freezing cold wasteland that offers zero value to the world. It's hilarious that Canadians always seem to think Canada is some kind of important country & are always trying to prove that it is. :p Canadians are fucking weird and to top it off they have no sense of humor at all.

If you want a good laugh just watch a Canadian get upitty when you tell them Canada is worthless & watch them try to tell you that it's important. Always hilarious & 99% of the time their jealously of the US just means they cannot resist the bait. Any Canadian with half a brain is already living in the US.

Canada is a big old vast totally worthless freezing cold wasteland that offers zero value to the world. It's hilarious that Canadians always seem to think Canada is some kind of important country. :p Canadians are fucking weird and to top it off they have no sense of humor at all.
:lolhit: That's pretty harsh, Drew. I met some cool Canadians from British Columbia... They came down to vacation where I lived in Costa Rica. And they brought the BEST weed. So don't diss Canada! :D

:lolhit: That's pretty harsh, Drew. I met some cool Canadians from British Columbia... They came down to vacation where I lived in Costa Rica. And they brought the BEST weed. So don't diss Canada! :D

Exactly - you didn't meet them in Canada. There's cool Candians for sure - they don't live in Canada.

Canada is a remarkable Country and isn't how you described it at all. I might mention that Canada had its big water bombers in California for both fires, so I quess we use each other......OK

and are lakes are deeper than yours.

Canada is a remarkable Country

Yeah remarkably cold & remarkably weak & remarkably insignificant.

Jeez - a lot of Canadians speak french - how much more proof do you need that Canada is worthless?

Canada should keep it's troops - the only value Canadian troops bring is some kind of Public Relations exercise. 1500 troops is nothing. The US troops shouldn't even be there - so the Canadian troops should stay home.

Canada is a big old vast totally worthless freezing cold wasteland that offers zero value to the world. It's hilarious that Canadians always seem to think Canada is some kind of important country & are always trying to prove that it is. :p Canadians are fucking weird and to top it off they have no sense of humor at all.

If you want a good laugh just watch a Canadian get upitty when you tell them Canada is worthless & watch them try to tell you that it's important. Always hilarious & 99% of the time their jealously of the US just means they cannot resist the bait. Any Canadian with half a brain is already living in the US.Just give us the NAFTA highway

Just give us the NAFTA highway

Mexico is a country I can respect - they have their own culture, they are not some USA wannabee, they do not pretend to be something they are not.

So yes NAFTA highway - from the US to Mexico. Canada is frozen most of the year and has just a handful of snow derranged people live up there anyway.

The dream of any Canadian is to be American. They wouldn't admit it but it's the truth.

I would like to thank our sister nation for Canadian bacon. It's a really good pizza toping. :)

It's about time Canada just became a US state - it's what they already dream of & in essence it's what they are already.

Their national identity is nothing more than saying they are not American. Canada's only claim to relevance is a border with the US.

Mexico is a country I can respect - they have their own culture, they are not some USA wannabee, they do not pretend to be something they are not.

So yes NAFTA highway - from the US to Mexico. Canada is frozen most of the year and has just a handful of snow derranged people live up there anyway.Canadians don't care about the NAFTA highway, I was just pulling your leg.

The problem is your guessing because Canada is much like the States except we wave our flag allot more.....

Alaska's average temperature is allot colder than where I live.

And we had a two Free rolling stones concerts recently the one in Toronto (Sars concert) also had A/C D/C and gave out free cooked steaks. The people carried in closed cases of beer, dope was everywhere no searches. The US was invited. Yeah were weird the Prime Minister made a last minute phone call and gave the Stones another 1 million for the last three songs; this at a free concert.

The one in Ottawa was a blast too but no free food I had canal side seating, and more beer, hey come to Ottawa for blue fest and see if you can take real humid heat, and drink beer too.

If you do however bring your ID to get back.

Canadians don't care about the NAFTA highway, I was just pulling your leg.

The problem is your guessing because Canada is much like the States except we wave our flag allot more.....

Alaska's average temperature is allot colder than where I live.

And we had a two Free rolling stones concerts recently the one in Toronto (Sars concert) also had A/C D/C and gave out free cooked steaks. The people carried in closed cases of beer, dope was everywhere no searches. The US was invited. Yeah were weird the Prime Minister made a last minute phone call and gave the Stones another 1 million for the last three songs; this at a free concert.

The one in Ottawa was a blast too but no free food I had canal side seating, and more beer, hey come to Ottawa for blue fest and see if you can take real humid heat, and drink beer too.

If you do however bring your ID to get back.

Yeah Canada is really cool. Rock On.

You could have shortened your post to "Canada is Lame & I know it"

It's about time Canada just became a US state - it's what they already dream of & in essence it's what they are already.

Their national identity is nothing more than saying they are not American. Canada's only claim to relevance is a border with the US.

That's a border Canadian don't like, I'm surprised you didn't no. It wasn't suppose to be that way when the St Lawrence seaway opened up the US and Canada started taking tolls to pay for it but the US kept on charging tolls long after but Canada didn't charge.

Canadian like our simple government compared to yours but for Canada being part of the states a draft was prepared by Rumsfield

Just admit that Canada is irrelevant, the only thing it has going for it is it's border with the US. Once you admit what you already clearly know - you'll feel better for it.

What's New Zealand ever done good or bad for the world?

Friend, I suggest you take a little time and read a few history books, WORLD history books not that irrelevant BS they teach in the US.

Just admit that Canada is irrelevant, the only thing it has going for it is it's border with the US. Once you admit what you already clearly know - you'll feel better for it.

Of Course that 'irrelevant' nation beat your asses in the war of 1812. Deary, deary me.

Of Course that 'irrelevant' nation beat your asses in the war of 1812. Deary, deary me.

It's always funny when people try to find some point of relevance from say 200 years ago. Hilarious.

fyi - I am not American.

S'ok with me.

The point is - you are just making this up. Nothing in that report said records were lost.
yes i'm guessing. i thought i made that clear.

there are huge gaps in 4 ws here. it's not a news story, it's an over blown, poorly translated, travelogue.

WRONG!!!....We in North America are only beginning to do things that most of the world has been doing already.

Ever try flying in the middle east?. And ....They shoot and ask questions later

What we go through is nothing .


Have you ever been to the middle east? Your statement just shows you as a stupid redneck!

Then perhaps you 'ordinary' folk need to do something about the kinds of things YOUR government is doing on YOUR behalf?
right, they should have done what our more civilized neighbor to the north did, and tased her.

how many ppl would be crying a river if she had been dark, male, and from the middle-east? don't want ethnic profiling? you've just reaped what you've sown. everyone is treated like a criminal.:mad:

by the way I think the kiwi's and the australians are the NICEST people I have ever met...always had a great time there.

Yeah I felt stupid saying that but left it on the board anyways.

The whole story alarms me because the US in a major international hub for Flyer's. I've never flown but I know that to get some where you must enter the US and fly from there but it can be unfriendly and that term is used then.

Just for your information. Toronto has DIRECT flights to almost EVERYWHERE. I have flown from Toronto to Frankfurt, Copenhagen, London, New Delhi, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Paris. That's 7 more than that shithole Pittsburgh I used to live in. Now in beautiful sunny FLOOOOORIDAAAAAA.......

Of Course that 'irrelevant' nation beat your asses in the war of 1812. Deary, deary me.
yeah:rolleyes: that's why they're back on their side of the St. Lawrence and haven't been back since...

yes i'm guessing. i thought i made that clear.

there are huge gaps in 4 ws here. it's not a news story, it's an over blown, poorly translated, travelogue.

More fantasy from you - exactly how do you know that it's poorly translated? - Do you have the original & do you speak icelandic & did you compare the accuracy of the translation? er....no you didn't.

Stick to the facts & stop simply making stuff up to try & create a logical argument - its not working for you.

More fantasy from you - exactly how do you know that it's poorly translated? - Do you have the original & do you speak icelandic & did you compare the accuracy of the translation? er....no you didn't.

Stick to the facts & stop simply making stuff up to try & create a logical argument - its not working for you.
porridge and bread doesn't exist as food in the U.S., but oatmeal & toast does. how long have you lived here?

porridge and bread doesn't exist as food in the U.S., but oatmeal & toast does. how long have you lived here?

And that is how you concluded the translation was bad - hilarious.

I wonder how you write "clutching at Straws" in Icelandic - because that is what you seem to be the king of. In the absence of any solid argument you just make up your own story.

And that is how you concluded the translation was bad - hilarious.

I wonder how you write "clutching at Straws" in Icelandic - because that is what you seem to be the king of. In the absence of any solid argument you just make up your own story.
just filling in the blanks. there are holes in this story big enough to taxi a wide body jet thru.

Friend, I suggest you take a little time and read a few history books, WORLD history books not that irrelevant BS they teach in the US.Would you provide an example please?

Of Course that 'irrelevant' nation beat your asses in the war of 1812. Deary, deary me.
Actually, that was the full British army. Canada was not an independent country then. And just BTW, the Americans lost more troops than the British, but in the end neither country gained nor lost territory, and the Treaty of Ghent (that ended the war) did not address anything of consequence. There was no winner in the War of 1812.

EDIT: Actually, I was wrong! If you count the Battle of New Orleans (technically happened after the treaty was signed, but the people fighting there didn't know it), then the British actually lost almost twice as many troops as the Americans.

Would you provide an example please?
Well, I agree with him that if you're going by the history taught to you in the public schools, you won't get anything too accurate. But I assume that most intelligent people know a little about history that they've picked up on their own. And college history courses tend to be less whitewashed and more about the big picture.

Well, I agree with him that if you're going by the history taught to you in the public schools, you won't get anything too accurate. But I assume that most intelligent people know a little about history that they've picked up on their own. And college history courses tend to be less whitewashed and more about the big picture.That's why im asking him for an example. To see what i missed in high school/college.:)

just filling in the blanks. there are holes in this story big enough to taxi a wide body jet thru.

Not really - unless the story is made up - then the story is pretty much cut & dry. A tourist visiting NY for shopping was held for many hours & treated very badly - no matter how much you refuse to accept that, no matter how many additional things you attempt to "make up" - it's still exactly what it is - a disgrace.

That's why im asking him for an example. To see what i missed in high school/college.:)

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The Aboriginals of North America always called it Canada or close to that. These day's the Indian would do the fighting outside the British or French Forts while the people inside the forts didn't have to do much fighting. There are many deserving (don't exist) statue's of great Indian warriors who defeated the American's.

Thats why a movie is needed to clear things up.

I'm not an Aboriginal but this is the way I feel about it.

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The Aboriginals of North America always called it Canada or close to that. These day's the Indian would do the fighting outside the British or French Forts while the people inside the forts didn't have to do much fighting. There are many deserving (don't exist) statue's of great Indian warriors who defeated the American's.

Thats why a movie is needed to clear things up.

I'm not an Aboriginal but this is the way I feel about it.

We have our native heroes too. Crazy Horse comes to mind. There has been a memorial being made in his honor that can never seem to get finished because of no funding.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3387/ch1dv6.jpg

... fyi - I am not American.

Are you eligible to vote in the U.S.?

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The Aboriginals of North America always called it Canada or close to that. These day's the Indian would do the fighting outside the British or French Forts while the people inside the forts didn't have to do much fighting. There are many deserving (don't exist) statue's of great Indian warriors who defeated the American's.

Thats why a movie is needed to clear things up.

I'm not an Aboriginal but this is the way I feel about it.

It's Kanata and not all First Nations called it that

I have a few things to say on the subject.

First off, about Canada... Drew, you need to shut your trap. Canada has its own culture, more than the United States does. Canadian people are, on the whole, more friendly and respectful than your average american (except those Quebecians who are so pig-headed, but they are french, so it's understandable). They keep in better shape, they do more outside, they aren't always looking to take the easy way out. I could go on and on. The U.S. isn't even ALLOWED to have its own culture, we have to bend over backwards to every little fussy foreigner who comes in our country or else there are lawsuits. America is a MELTING POT.. it DOESN'T HAVE a culture anymore. There are the good old days, like apple pie, baseball, cracker jacks, etc... but those are long gone.

About this woman's testimony, if she is telling the truth, with no exaggeration, that's pretty messed up. But we all know how people take word of mouth in this forum. There is no reason for any person to be treated like that unless they were either misidentified or had a past criminal record. Guarantee you that even if she DID have either of those, she wouldn't admit to it. Some people can seal away previous times in their lives. That story just seems way too over the top. If it really happened, it would be in the supreme court right now.

Canada has its own culture, more than the United States does.
I am not into nation bashing but I take issue with this. The US is a mecca of culture from all over the planet. If you want an idea just travel to NYC.
You will find more diversity of culture and language in this nation than you ever will in Canada.

I am not into nation bashing but I take issue with this. The US is a mecca of culture from all over the planet. If you want an idea just travel to NYC.
You will find more diversity of culture and language in this nation than you ever will in Canada.

cultural diversity and having your own culture are two different things. You go to NYC, you'll see EVERYONE ELSES culture... italian, chinese, etc... but that doesn't mean America has it's own culture.

cultural diversity and having your own culture are two different things. You go to NYC, you'll see EVERYONE ELSES culture... italian, chinese, etc... but that doesn't mean America has it's own culture.
You miss the whole concept of America. It's a mix of everybody. It is a blended culture.

We have plenty of culture. We invented syndicated television, and most other nations merely ape Western shows. Most modern musical styles originated in the US, including jazz, blues and rap music. Lots of painters are uniquely American. We have comic books, culinary styles, novels, architecture, the list goes on. You're looking in all the wrong places for American culture, Decka.

And America made Star Trek...

I have a few things to say on the subject.

First off, about Canada... Drew, you need to shut your trap. Canada has its own culture, more than the United States does. Canadian people are, on the whole, more friendly and respectful than your average american (except those Quebecians who are so pig-headed, but they are french, so it's understandable). They keep in better shape, they do more outside, they aren't always looking to take the easy way out. I could go on and on. The U.S. isn't even ALLOWED to have its own culture, we have to bend over backwards to every little fussy foreigner who comes in our country or else there are lawsuits. America is a MELTING POT.. it DOESN'T HAVE a culture anymore. There are the good old days, like apple pie, baseball, cracker jacks, etc... but those are long gone..

You need to re-read my posts b4 you open your trap. I know many Canadians & it goes without saying that any country has it's own culture, just like any city, neighborhood has its own culture. The US has a lot of diversity - its a large country with 300 million people. Canada is a large country with 26 million people. Culture is not the point, and anyway - to say the US has no culture is er...plain stupid.

The point is - that many Canadians seem to believe that Canada is important. It isn't. The population is tiny, the country is protected by the US and it's only voice comes from the fact that it borders with the US.

I have never said that Canadians are not good people, I've just, correctly said that Canada is insignificant.

There are the good old days, like apple pie, baseball, cracker jacks, etc... but those are long gone.



baseball, apple pie, cracker jacks.. gone? Dude what are you talking about?:@@:

What do you mean those days are gone? Do you turn the TV on and see cricket or soccer or bull fighting? NO NO, you see good old American baseball, football, and basketball! and rightly so! (our tax dollars at work i guess)

And no, America does not bend over backwards for every fussy foreigner (yes England does). Do you see people many foreigners wearing their cultural clothes on the street? NO! Everyone conforms to the American way of dressing and talking (well not the Mexicans in the talking area) and living.
If you go to London you will see a person walk by in African clothes, then you will see a person walk by in Arabian clothes. Except NYC, you don't see that here. US does not bend over backwards. Only that people who immigrate here LEGALLY want the same rights as the white Christian, get it? Not MORE no LESS as some of you believe!

But this argument is moot, since I believe everyone that is legally here has the same rights! Actually the illegals seem to have MORE rights (but that's another thread).:)

Napster..I would have to add the "sporting" culture to your list of American cultural items.:bike:

Great post, Mesk. I agree. :)

I have never said that Canadians are not good people, I've just, correctly said that Canada is insignificant.

Thats what we hope people think, and we hated the "Best Country To Live In" status too.

Not really - unless the story is made up - then the story is pretty much cut & dry. A tourist visiting NY for shopping was held for many hours & treated very badly - no matter how much you refuse to accept that, no matter how many additional things you attempt to "make up" - it's still exactly what it is - a disgrace.
define "treated badly"? she was treated no different than anyone else would have or should have. would you be less outraged if it had been some middle-eastern student with the same name as someone on a watch list?

A travel warning will probably be issued if Iceland doesn't get its apology.....I believe a travel warning means Iceland citizens will be given no help by Iceland in the furture with the States. This will make it unlikely that many Icelander will ever go to the US.

The way a Canadian was treated in Georgia almost promted a travel warning but because the jailer was found responcible then fired, and they explained it.............
It turned out the cop was new but the Jailer new better.

Georgia? what the heck happend there?

Georgia? what the heck happend there?
'Terrified' Carleton student spent 11 hours in Georgia (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=73142bcf-f41c-483c-9737-f7e565c36cc4&k=87106)jail for minor traffic violation

'Terrified' Carleton student spent 11 hours in Georgia (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=73142bcf-f41c-483c-9737-f7e565c36cc4&k=87106)jail for minor traffic violation
20 over isn't minor, it's reckless driving.
Georgia state police senior trooper Larry Schnall said it's "routine" for police to haul out-of-country visitors to jail for traffic violations.

He said the policy is in place to prevent tourists from other countries, and some U.S. states, from racking up speeding tickets they never intend to pay. Paying the bond up front is an assurance like the citation fine will be paid or the bond money will not be returned.

"It doesn't matter if you are from Canada, England, Mexico. Typically, we would transfer you to the facility until you can make the appropriate paperwork," he said.

"We are not doing it to punish anyone or cause any greater grief. It is just the way the law is written," said the trooper, who offered no apologies for how Mrs. Kuehn was treated.

Col. Louise Newsome, jail administrator at the Glynn County Detention Center, said policy requires all non-U.S. citizens to go through the sometimes lengthy immigration process to determine if they are wanted on warrants. She said the jail adopted the policy in advance of a new Georgia state law,

A Georgia state trooper told her he was giving her citations for going 55 miles an hour in a 35 zone and failing to stop at a stop sign. But instead of writing a ticket, the officer told her she had to post a bond before she could resume her trip.

Instead, she was driven to the detention centre where she spent the next 11 difficult hours separated from her husband, even though he collected the $222 U.S. to post her bond within three hours of her arrest.

Canadians, including those carrying a valid passport like Mrs. Kuehn, or other "foreign nationals," in custody until the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency confirms they are legally allowed to be in the country.

This almost became a travel warning....but it was fixed.....and two jailers were fired.

This almost became a travel warning....but it was fixed.....and two jailers were fired.
ok, and where does it say that? and how do you think it should have been handled?

When it comes to living-its quality of life-more than how important a country is.

The United States is without any shadow of a doubt-the most important nation on Earth-anyone saying different is being silly.

BUT:

With that importance comes a cost to its citizens-sure while in America, Yanks do more than likely have a pretty good life.

Unfortunately American people travelling outside the US have had to be aware of where they are going and their personal security, simply because they are Americans.


Now back to the Icelandic visitor-Dont know about Iceland, but from here, if I was to book a flight to the US-ALL my details and info pops up on a screen somewhere in America about 2 minutes later, if there were any discrepancies
or information the US Authorities didnt like, theyd simply not allow me to board in Ireland.

That said-Homeland Security violated this womans rights if the story is true.

ok, and where does it say that? and how do you think it should have been handled?

Georgia jailer fired over Ottawa woman's ordeal (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=a7d0ea36-6f99-456c-bf48-fc19ab46d21e&k=0)

Just don't come to Georgia... we all hate aliens here.

:rolleyes:

Georgia jailer fired over Ottawa woman's ordeal (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=a7d0ea36-6f99-456c-bf48-fc19ab46d21e&k=0)
that's a different matter.
In a statement released Tuesday, Glynn County Sheriff Wayne Bennett said Mrs. Kuehn's extended stay at the detention centre occurred when a communications officer conducting an immigration check missed the response from immigration officials stating Mrs. Kuehn was legally allowed to be in the United States.

"There were supervisors on duty at the detention centre who should have been astute enough to not only question the unreasonable delay, which they did, but who should have taken action to resolve a very obvious problem," the sheriff said in the statement, which explained the decision to discipline the employees.



but nothing's going to change...except watching the clock.

Yesterday, Mrs. Kuehn said from her parents' Ottawa home that she was disappointed someone who was "bound by policy" lost their job as a result of the incident.

"If all they do is fire people on the front line, it is not going to change their policy," said Mrs. Kuehn, who has suffered panic attacks and been diagnosed with acute post-traumatic stress since her detention.

"It's not dealing with the root issue. There should be no ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) check and there should be no arresting of Canadians for minor traffic violations."

Mrs. Kuehn would like to see changes to state law so that foreign visitors don't have to be taken into custody until they post bond for traffic tickets, along with the elimination of immigration checks for people carrying passports.

According to Sheriff Bennett, the immigration check was conducted in advance of a Georgia immigration law, scheduled to come into effect July 1. While the law states only people charged with felonies or drunk driving should be subject to the check, Sheriff Bennett said Glynn County policy is to check all foreign nationals, regardless of the offence. In his statement, the sheriff said he has no intention of changing that policy.



of course none of this would have happened if she hadn't been driving like a crackhead.

Just don't come to Georgia... we all hate aliens here.

:rolleyes:
isn't that code for anyone not from GA?