Children's choir dropping the word "Christmas" in favor of "festive" in the song Silver Bells.
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I read this news this morning and thought this story was to common.

So I come to ask if anyone can tell me is this a Jewish intervention or a Muslim one.

Concert goes ahead despite controversy over change to Christmas lyrics (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/city/story.html?id=0ed31bbd-b93f-488b-8a07-26e0fde358a7)

How supremely silly.

So I come to ask if anyone can tell me is this a Jewish intervention or a Muslim one.

I don't think the Jews or the Muslims give a shit if anyone says "Christmas". The only people who care are militant atheists and (Canada's equivalent of) the ACLU.

How supremely silly.

Its not silly or you would have been able to vote.

Its not silly
It's pretty damn silly to demand that they take the word Christmas out of a Christmas carol. If they're so worried about it, they can make their choir sing a secular winter song, like Winter Wonderland or something.

It's pretty damn silly to demand that they take the word Christmas out of a Christmas carol. If they're so worried about it, they can make their choir sing a secular winter song, like Winter Wonderland or something.

This was in the article and I noticed you didn't vote either.
in this case, the teachers "may not have had the full set of songbooks with alternative seasonal songs at hand."

This was in the article and I noticed you didn't vote either.
I don't understand the options. Your poll is very unclear. Anyways, if they didn't have the full set of songbooks, so what? They should just keep the word Christmas in. Do you disagree??

EDIT: By the way, your poll seems to be closed. So I can't vote on it anyways.

I don't understand the options. Your poll is very unclear. Anyways, if they didn't have the full set of songbooks, so what? They should just keep the word Christmas in. Do you disagree??

EDIT: By the way, your poll seems to be closed. So I can't vote on it anyways.
Yes I agree
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What could have happened to the poll

If you agree with me and Borg on this, the why are you arguing with us?

Yes I agree
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What could have happened to the poll
I closed it because it's nonsensical. The only two options are "in favor of 'festive'" and something about scraping something off of a declaration of some sort.

Lol! :D

I closed it because it's nonsensical. The only two options are "in favor of 'festive'" and something about scraping something off of a declaration of some sort.
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Well Christmas is going away fast and the government is the cause because of the Human Rights Act. That word is the last this public school will here about Christmas.

I feel its all gone except the festive tree.

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And forgetting the Human Rights Act was the only way I see to bring back Christmas and a normal life to this season.

Children's choir dropping the word "Christmas" in favor of "festive" in the song Silver Bells.
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I read this news this morning and thought this story was to common.

So I come to ask if anyone can tell me is this a Jewish intervention or a Muslim one.

Concert goes ahead despite controversy over change to Christmas lyrics (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/city/story.html?id=0ed31bbd-b93f-488b-8a07-26e0fde358a7)

It is not Jewish or Muslim, it is athiests. Jews and Muslims probably dont care if the word Christmas is used in a song, they have thier songs, we have ours, and we are all happy. The only ones not happy are the athiests who see it as their duty to remove any mention of god or Christmas from society. Why they can't just sit around their Festivus pole and air their grievances and leave everyone else alone is beyond me.

It is not Jewish or Muslim, it is athiests. Jews and Muslims probably dont care if the word Christmas is used in a song, they have thier songs, we have ours, and we are all happy. The only ones not happy are the athiests who see it as their duty to remove any mention of god or Christmas from society. Why they can't just sit around their Festivus pole and air their grievances and leave everyone else alone is beyond me.
It's not all atheists, Trav. Even you should know that most atheists just want to mind their own business like anyone else.

It is not Jewish or Muslim, it is athiests. Jews and Muslims probably dont care if the word Christmas is used in a song, they have thier songs, we have ours, and we are all happy. The only ones not happy are the athiests who see it as their duty to remove any mention of god or Christmas from society. Why they can't just sit around their Festivus pole and air their grievances and leave everyone else alone is beyond me.
::jumps up and down:: Hello! Atheist who doesn't care over here! Yoo hoo! ::waves hands:: :bombout:

Hmm, let's have a Christmas concert but not let the choir sing a Christmas carol without taking the word Christmas out. That does sound dumb. Isn't there a verse in that song that says "its Christmas time in the city" geez! To bad the Ottawa paper does not let readers reply to articles. Now that would be interesting.

Political correctness running amuck. Makes me both sad and somewhat sick.

Political correctness running amuck. Makes me both sad and somewhat sick.

Agreed.. taking the word "Christmas" out of Silver Bells is a slippery slope. Plus, the song "Silver Bells" was WRITTEN because of the CHRISTMAS SEASON. I'd rather see them ban the damned song than have some secular rehash of it. And then you'd have to ban "We wish you a merry Christmas", "Oh Christmas Tree", "Rockin around the Christmas Tree"...

Hey, let's ban "Santa Claus is coming to town"... it has pedophile/stalker lyrics! "he knows when you sleeping, he knows when you're awake".. ????.. what, is he peaking in the windows? LMAO

::jumps up and down:: Hello! Atheist who doesn't care over here! Yoo hoo! ::waves hands:: :bombout:

ROFL
I'll join in, maybe they'll notice us then :)
Agnostic who couldn't care less here!!!!

Edit: Christians try to do the same thing sometimes tho, I heard that some have changed the words to John Lennons song "Imagine" to "...and one religion too" instead of "...and no religion too". That is just pathetic, and so is changing this Christmas song.

::jumps up and down:: Hello! Atheist who doesn't care over here! Yoo hoo! ::waves hands:: :bombout:

Ditto.

It is not Jewish or Muslim, it is athiests. Jews and Muslims probably dont care if the word Christmas is used in a song, they have thier songs, we have ours, and we are all happy. The only ones not happy are the athiests who see it as their duty to remove any mention of god or Christmas from society. Why they can't just sit around their Festivus pole and air their grievances and leave everyone else alone is beyond me.


Thanks for the generalization. Thats like saying ALL christians want the 10 commandments in the courthouse.

Oh god I guess it is time to break out the disclaimer again :rolleyes:

Considering that three atheists have commented to tell us that they don't care at all, Trav, I'd say that YES, a disclaimer is necessary. See my first post in this thread for proper use of one. ;)

Thanks for the generalization. Thats like saying ALL Christians want the 10 commandments in the courthouse.

well i know this is off subject,but as far as the 10 commandments go...... if people followed the majority of the ten,there would be alot less people in the courtrooms to begin with.

i am in full appoval of separation of church and state and all... i just found that kinda ironic.

well i know this is off subject,but as far as the 10 commandments go...... if people followed the majority of the ten,there would be alot less people in the courtrooms to begin with.

i am in full appoval of separation of church and state and all... i just found that kinda ironic.


Also what is funny that the proponents of the ten commandments to be placed in the courthouse don't even know ALL ten.

that is true... of hand i probably could only name about 6. i am betting a small small percentage of people know all ten. If your pushing for a cause it is smart to be educated on it. Last Martin Luther king day some African American co workers were complaining that we did not have the day off (they could of used a floating paid day if they wanted it off) yet when i prompted,,,,they couldn't tell me three single facts about Dr king or his cause

ROFL
I'll join in, maybe they'll notice us then :)
Agnostic who couldn't care less here!!!!

Edit: Christians try to do the same thing sometimes tho, I heard that some have changed the words to John Lennons song "Imagine" to "...and one religion too" instead of "...and no religion too". That is just pathetic, and so is changing this Christmas song. I have heard of people doing that to his song too. How lame!

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/122207_Santa_Cross.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318006,00.html)

Maybe secular society should make their own holiday... since they want nothing to do with the christian part of "Christmas"... They can have a "Merry Holiday Season".. and Christians, who make 70% of the population, can celebrate Christmas without getting sued.

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well i know this is off subject,but as far as the 10 commandments go...... if people followed the majority of the ten,there would be alot less people in the courtrooms to begin with.

i am in full appoval of separation of church and state and all... i just found that kinda ironic.



Also what is funny that the proponents of the ten commandments to be placed in the courthouse don't even know ALL ten.
There's not many places hanging these 10 up, I don't know them off by-heart either but my favorite is not wanting your neighbors possessions.


that is true... of hand i probably could only name about 6. i am betting a small small percentage of people know all ten. If your pushing for a cause it is smart to be educated on it. Last Martin Luther king day some African American co workers were complaining that we did not have the day off (they could of used a floating paid day if they wanted it off) yet when i prompted,,,,they couldn't tell me three single facts about Dr king or his causeIf they do go ask that question the next day about Martin Luther king. That way its the day after they remembered.

There's not many places hanging these 10 (commandments) up, ...

:rolleyes:

They can be found hanging on numerous government buildings throughout gawdly America.

I don't know them off by-heart either but my favorite is not wanting your neighbors possessions.

The only "commandment" i would ever give a care about is--

"And thou harm no one, do as thou wilt"

They can be found hanging on numerous government buildings throughout America.

but they aren't shoved down your throat.. you don't HAVE to abide by them. It's more tradition.. I always have to remind you over, and over, and over, and over that we are a 70% CHRISTIAN NATION... and you just ignore that. If I go to Israel, I expect to see Jewish and Islamic heritage. You are an idiot for not expecting to see Christian symbols in a christian nation.



The only commandment i would ever give a care about is--

"And thou harm no one, do as thou wilt"

Like someone said early.. .if the 10 commandments WERE followed to a tee... we wouldn't even need law enforcement. Even if you look at them in a purely literal and interpretive sense, and leave out the religion.

FT didn't say that he expected to never see Christian symbols in our country... He just doesn't want to see them in government buildings. Seems very reasonable to me. The government shouldn't officially endorse any religion, and having the ten commandments posted in a government office or courtroom or whatever is definitely heading in that direction.

FT didn't say that he expected to never see Christian symbols in our country... He just doesn't want to see them in government buildings. Seems very reasonable to me. The government shouldn't officially endorse any religion, and having the ten commandments posted in a government office or courtroom or whatever is definitely heading in that direction.


well said! And Decka, you are way off. Israel is a Jewish country. Such as Saudi Arabia is an Islamic nation.

The USA is NOT a christian nation. It may be majority Christian, but it is NOT a christian nation and was never meant to be. Get over it!

well said! And Decka, you are way off. Israel is a Jewish country. Such as Saudi Arabia is an Islamic nation.

it's pretty complicated over there...

The USA is NOT a christian nation. It may be majority Christian, but it is NOT a christian nation and was never meant to be. Get over it!

I never said it was.

FT didn't say that he expected to never see Christian symbols in our country... He just doesn't want to see them in government buildings. Seems very reasonable to me. The government shouldn't officially endorse any religion, and having the ten commandments posted in a government office or courtroom or whatever is definitely heading in that direction.

Unless they are enforced it's a red herring. Like i said in another post if you want to go through the trouble of taking them all down be my guest. The problems that would arise is that the 10 commandments are tradition, and if you tear them down it might rub some fundamentalists the wrong way. The way I see it, as long as you don't have to abide by the 10 commandments, and they just happen to be on the wall... who cares.

The way I see it, as long as you don't have to abide by the 10 commandments, and they just happen to be on the wall... who cares.
That's the way I see it too, but I can understand the viewpoint of people who do care.

[quote=Decka] You are an idiot for not expecting to see Christian symbols in a christian nation. It is not that people don't expect to seed christians symbols it is when the government promotes it. Not only is it unAmerian for the government to promote religion, it is rude. Whenever a public official uses the office to advance religion,someone is offended. The wisest policy is one of neutrality! And what is so great about the 10 commandments anyway? They epitomize the inadequacies of the bible as a book or morals! Little in christianity is original. I bet most people on allforums could make a better set of commandments then those that Christians insist we honor!

This is the most scientific poll ever!!

finertouch... I think people are getting a bit too sensitive. If I go to Israel, and see all this Jewish stuff... I won't think it's rude, I won't be offended... i EXPECT it.

The thing is, nowadays people are attention whores who can rustle the leaves, and there are so many special interest groups who will dish out cash and put pressure on people.... America kinda F'd itself if you ask me.

Quick question.. is it possible for the people to vote on a religious value, like gay marriage, and since being a democracy and all... don't they have to give the people what they want and who they voted for?

I'm all for the theory of "if the government is broke, tear it down and build a new one"... but that's impossible. It can defend itself with the armed forces.

And then there's the ol Judicial branch, who decides what is constitutional and what is not.. if certain judges are placed by those who the people elected... it's basically the people speaking once again. Of course I realize the bribery, the corruption, and the abuse that goes on.. (and i'm all for gay marriage rights, I just argue over the stupid "name" of the union).. but in theory and by the book it's the people who decide things... Wow, I feel like FT, talking about some utopia or something.

finertouch... I think people are getting a bit too sensitive. If I go to Israel, and see all this Jewish stuff... I won't think it's rude, I won't be offended... i EXPECT it.

The thing is, nowadays people are attention whores who can rustle the leaves, and there are so many special interest groups who will dish out cash and put pressure on people.... America kinda F'd itself if you ask me. I drive by churches of every denomination all the time and it does not bother me. Well,except for the fact they don't pay taxes. I'm talking about promoting a certain religion on government property or in the military!

The attempts of certain people to remove all mention of Christmas from the holiday season are ludicrous. Just what holiday do they think is being celebrated at this time? Hannukah is a movable feast and is usually celebrated either before or after Christmas. Kwanza is a recently made up holiday that is celebrated by very few people and Winter Solstice is celebrated by even fewer.

The only holiday celebrated on December 25th is Christmas and it is a holiday celebrated by the vast majority of Americans.

If certain people do not wish to celebrate Christmas, fine but it is silly for them to try to deny the fact that most of their fellow citizens do wish to celebrate it.

Hanukkah is a Jewish Festival. 3% of Americans are Jewish.

Kwanzaa is an African Festival. 12% of Americans are black.

Even if the majority of both ethnic groups opposed Christmas, it would
give a max of 15%.

To me this is a 'Political Correct' bullshit agenda.


Same thing happened with RTE in Dublin.

They decided to cancel a TV show about Christmas-in case it offended.

A survey was conducted, and NO non Christian Group had made a complaint.