One thing I hear/read very often from a religious person (of the kind of religion that believes in a point of creation) is that since god is the creator, that alone is enough reason to obey/respect him and abandon all judgments. I suppose it could be put into philosophical terms as: "deontologically speaking, the Created has an absolute duty to obey/glorify/what have you, the Creator".

This is a very curious reasoning to me. What are your thoughts?

Granted the creation in religion must be distinguished from what we usually regard as an act of creating something. When we create something it is really the rearranging of things. Religious creation is ex nihilo. But it is still a concept I find curious, that creation automatically implies obedience. For example, what if an evil entity has the power to create and you just happen to be so unfortunate as to be the creation of such an entity?

A very odd reasoning indeed, but still something a whole lot of people actually accept. It is near impossible to argue reason with religious people tho :)

Even as a believer in my teens and early 20s I always had a hard time pushing away reason, and pushing it away was essential to accepting these concepts.

One thing I hear/read very often from a religious person (of the kind of religion that believes in a point of creation) is that since god is the creator, that alone is enough reason to obey/respect him and abandon all judgments.This is a religious belief I find curious too.

There is something circular about it. A creator has created the rule "obey your creator", but to accept it one must have already decided to "obey the creator" anyway.

Circular reasoning is quite common in religion.

One thing I hear/read very often from a religious person (of the kind of religion that believes in a point of creation) is that since god is the creator, that alone is enough reason to obey/respect him and abandon all judgments. I suppose it could be put into philosophical terms as: "deontologically speaking, the Created has an absolute duty to obey/glorify/what have you, the Creator".

This is a very curious reasoning to me. What are your thoughts?

Granted the creation in religion must be distinguished from what we usually regard as an act of creating something. When we create something it is really the rearranging of things. Religious creation is ex nihilo. But it is still a concept I find curious, that creation automatically implies obedience. For example, what if an evil entity has the power to create and you just happen to be so unfortunate as to be the creation of such an entity?
What else would you expect of your children?

What else would you expect of your children?
Once they are old enough I expect my children to judge me if I am not being a person worth respecting. If I hit them, abuse them. If I steal, murder. If I am being lazy and irresponsible. I want them to judge me. And I expect my children to do what they want for their own life when they are adults.

Do you expect people to be on their parents' side even in the case of the parents being rotten people?

Of course like I mentioned I think parents-child analogy is not exactly correct since humans do not technically reproduce ex nihilo. The body is turning stuff that the mother eats and drinks into a new born. All this stuff already exist.

With religion the idea is that some being can make something out of nothing.

There is so much flawed logic in the way religion works that I've begun to give up on trying to understand it. People are free to believe whatever they want, and I have no problem with what others believe as long as it doesn't adversely effect others. However, it doesn't work that way most of the time. It's unfortunate.

As for the actual argument here, if i conjured a normal person out of thin air I would not expect them to conform to my every whim. The same as if I had a child through normal means. I would expect to be judged just the same by that person. That person still has free will either way.

As for the actual argument here, if i conjured a normal person out of thin air I would not expect them to conform to my every whim. The same as if I had a child through normal means. I would expect to be judged just the same by that person. That person still has free will either way.
I agree. I was going to chime in earlier and compare god to a parent and people to children. We want our children to obey us, I suppose, but most of us would say that it's more important for the children to do what they want and follow their own path. If I were god I think I'd feel the same way.

I find the word, "curious," quite so.