SMW, I think people are "rubbed the wrong way" by the fact that when Christians are killed you just assume the murderer was an atheist. You have no factual/statistical reason to back that up; you just apparently think that atheists are more likely to be murderers than Christians. That's what we call prejudice.

One more time, DF... this is what I said.

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Some say Christians are dangerous... and some non-believers take that message to heart. I don't believe they'll have to look far to find out the murders of innocent people were a result of the ever-increasing paranoia among young atheists in this world. Hate breeds hate.

I did NOT say the killer was an atheist. However, I did mean... and still do believe that the young man was influenced by the hatred AGAINST CHRISTIANS spread by atheists today. That belief is stated in the first sentence of my short message -- "Some say Christians are dangerous... and some non-believers take that message to heart."

I believe if there was not so much hatred for Christians being expressed by atheists today, this deranged young man might not have told his friends how much he HATED Christians. He might not have found the fuel he needed to twist off and decide to murder innocent people.

It's really funny how everyone is going to such great lengths to brand ME a spreader of hate simply because I had the nerve to point out the TRUE spreaders of hate... atheists.

Guess the truth really does hurt the guilty.

SMW

Guess the truth really does hurt the guilty.

SMW
I am neither an atheist nor a spreader of hate. You know I'm not a Christian hater. I've seriously considered becoming a Christian several times in my life, including right now. But if being a Christian means I have to say that atheists in general are hate spreaders and responsible for murder just for expressing their opinion then I don't want to.

If someone said that black people were responsible for the murder of some white people, just because some black people have pointed out white people's past prejudices and dislike white people for it... what would you say?

You might, or might not, have disagreed with the historical Jesus, but you would not have found him to be a hater, unless you were part of the oppression system.

I'm quite sure I would have liked Jesus and generally agreed with him on many things. After all, he wasn't part of the establishment, he was genuinely kind and nonjudgmental of others, and he advocated a "live and let live" way of life.

What's not to like?

The big question is, how did organized religion warp and twist his message so terribly?

It's really funny how everyone is going to such great lengths to brand ME a spreader of hate simply because I had the nerve to point out the TRUE spreaders of hate... atheists.
Yeah, those darn atheists, spreading their hate everywhere. http://www.startribune.com/nation/12411086.html

What a bunch of hateful...atheists?

There are bad eggs in every group, SMW. You demonstrate a remarkable prejudice by saying that atheists are more guilty than others. Although I will admit that I was rather "hateful" today at the two motorists who nearly hit me (and the bicyclist I nearly hit because he was traveling the WRONG WAY down a one way street that I was turning onto) by changing lanes, without a turn signal and without looking. Though I'd like to say that I had just cause in being hateful there. :thumbs:

I'm quite sure I would have liked Jesus and generally agreed with him on many things. After all, he wasn't part of the establishment, he was genuinely kind and nonjudgmental of others, and he advocated a "live and let live" way of life.He was pretty judgemental when it came to the ruling theocrats of his day, and empire.

The big question is, how did organized religion warp and twist his message so terribly?It's really not surprising, is it? The stories of the Bible, and all history, show how easy it is for an egalitarian message of deliverance and social justice to become warped into one of dominance justification and control by the power brokers. They need religion; because it is experientially real to so many, it cannot be simply denied, so they turn it into something the originators would recognize as the very thing they railed against. Fortunately, Christianity is not limited to that aspect alone.

Perhaps yours was a rhetorical question. If so, sorry.

SMW, I think people are "rubbed the wrong way" by the fact that when Christians are killed you just assume the murderer was an atheist. You have no factual/statistical reason to back that up; you just apparently think that atheists are more likely to be murderers than Christians. That's what we call prejudice.

Most those on death Row ARE Atheists.
That's why some Find Christ.
Not just to seem Human,but to realize their fate and ask
forgiveness.Many in Prison have Religious Relatives or even
upbringing.The true test is somthin like Murder.
Like that Scott Peterson { Psychopath }.He's a cold blooded
Killer.Sure he was a cop.But he's a " *cold fish " .Shows NO
visible conscience.






* Mark Furman

I highly doubt that most death row inmates are atheists, simply because of the very small percentage of the population that are atheists. There are so few of 'em; I dunno why all the Christians are so scared. :D

Most those on death Row ARE Atheists.
Not all "lost" people are atheists. Atheism is a conscious conclusion based on how one sees the evidence of the world around them and interprets that vision. Just because someone is not a "good, practicing, godly man" does not make him an atheist.

But then, I don't want to question the data that you pulled out of your rectum.:hitout:

i think it's really wrong..............for what he did that day

There are so few of 'em; I dunno why all the Christians are so scared. :DThey're agents of the devil, doncha know!?:banana:
(I assume your use of "all" is hyperbole.)

Darn! I don't have a nazi outfit. But bet I could borrow one from FT! Can I get back to ya on that request?

:D
SMW
I don't believe my luck Ya Hoo
I can't wait to see this pic...................... I hope your hot.

Don't hold your breath. I've been waiting for proof of SMW's self-avowed hot-ness ever since she started yakking it.

Don't hold your breath. I've been waiting for proof of SMW's self-avowed hot-ness ever since she started yakking it.
Maybe it's like that bottle of good whiskey?

Most those on death Row ARE Atheists.
That's why some Find Christ.
Not just to seem Human,but to realize their fate and ask
forgiveness.Many in Prison have Religious Relatives or even
upbringing.The true test is somthin like Murder.
Like that Scott Peterson { Psychopath }.He's a cold blooded
Killer.Sure he was a cop.But he's a " *cold fish " .Shows NO
visible conscience.






* Mark Furman

Scott Peterson was not a cop, foolsworth. He was a fertilizer salesman.

Also you mentioned earlier that Bundy went for girls who drove VW bugs. Ted's the one with the Beetle. Most of his victims were on foot.

I am interested to know what crime books you've read over the years. I don't accept yr statement about most killers on Death Row being avowed atheists.

Whether he's atheist or theist doesn't really matter.
If he's Christian, he doesn't represent the average Christian.
If he's Atheist, he doesn't represent the average Atheist.
In both cases he's a sick and twisted individual who's morals have gone beyond that of the community and laws.
He committed a vile crime and should pay for it.

Scott Peterson was not a cop, foolsworth. He was a fertilizer salesman.

Also you mentioned earlier that Bundy went for girls who drove VW bugs. Ted's the one with the Beetle. Most of his victims were on foot.

I am interested to know what crime books you've read over the years. I don't accept yr statement about most killers on Death Row being avowed atheists.

Prison populations have are about 80% Christian with 2% being atheist. I'm not sure of the statistics for Death Row, however, though I would imagine they would be similar.

Welcome to allforums, atrium angelis. Cool name. What does it mean?:)

Prison populations have are about 80% Christian with 2% being atheist. I'm not sure of the statistics for Death Row, however, though I would imagine they would be similar.


Only thing about these statistics is that sometimes people call themselves Christians just because they believe in a higher being. I think it goes a little deeper then that. At least for me anyway. I didn't go around calling myself a Christian when I prefered bars instead of church even though I believed in God and prayed. My life has changed dramatically since then and now I feel proud to call myself a Christian.

Same goes for atheists. I think some people are confused or just really don't care and I don't think that automatically makes them an atheist, just lost.


Again this is just my opinion. Feel free to rip it apart.

:corn:

Before I went to bed last night, I prayed that God would help me understand what's been going on this board for the last several days. I was upset and disturbed by what I was hearing, especially to hear church-going people join in the bashing of other Christians. "Please help me understand," was my plea.

I woke up at 2 a.m., with a very clear picture of the problem... and some very clear answers to my questions. The most amazing thing (to me) was that all the explanations had already been stated here... by ME! I just didn't recognize them as also being the problem I was having in understanding how so many different people could jump into a conversation for the simple purpose of trashing those who believe in God. Here's my 'message' in a nutshell. Feel free to deny it came from God if it makes you feel better, but it gave me a wonderful sense of calmness.

Firstly, the people on this thread ARE members of the 'fringe' of society. The FACT is, atheists and doubters make up less than 20% of the world's population, even fewer of America's population. So-called Christians who bash other Christians are a VERY minute segment of religious people. When I was referring to the 'lunatic fringe' yesterday, I should have realized I was TALKING to the lunatic fringe. And expecting reasonable responses in return! Silly me. Shiloh scolded DF for bringing up percentages... saying it 'muddles' philosophical discussions. On the contrary, recognizing that one is talking to a person who has beliefs shared by only a small percentage of the world greatly illuminates the situation. Sort of like talking about driving cars to a monkey. Just because you might be able to train an ape to drive, doesn't mean it's a good source of reason when it comes to discussing laws of the road.

Secondly, it's not my responsibility to 'convince' anyone here that atheists are evil. I've stated my opinion that the young murderer in Colorado might have been influenced by the hatred spread by atheists today and while I still believe that to be true, I was wrong to try to convince anyone that my opinions are valid, especially about a point that no one can prove, one way or the other. I shouldn't have allowed myself to be drawn in to a discussion where I was so outnumbered, I felt that I came away bruised and battered, with a few blows coming from people I never expected to turn on me. That was my bad. From now on, I'll know better.

Thirdly, and most importantly, I understand now why Christians throughout the ages have been advised to steer clear of atheists. That old Baptist saying came back to me, except this time, I knew exactly what it meant...

VENGENCE IS MINE, SAYETH THE LORD.

Atheists will be dealt with in God's own way. I not only have nothing to fear from those ignorant of God's love, I should actually feel compassion for them. I regret not having seen that before now.

Here's the message I received crystal clear before I fell back to sleep. Maybe the most important message I'll ever post.



I hope you'll take that verse to heart and allow it to open your eyes to the possibility of embracing God's love. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

:flowers:
SMW


:hug:

The most amazing thing (to me) was that all the explanations had already been stated here... by ME!So, in your deep meditative and prayer-filled state, you found the justification that you were right all along? How very human.
Shiloh scolded DF for bringing up percentages... saying it 'muddles' philosophical discussions.I was being sarcastic.
Secondly, it's not my responsibility to 'convince' anyone here that atheists are evil.Evil is as evil does. The shooter in CO was no atheist; he was a professed Christian from a family of professed Christians, who was attacking other professed Christians for rejecting him.
I've stated my opinion that the young murderer in Colorado might have been influenced by the hatred spread by atheists today and while I still believe that to be true, I was wrong to try to convince anyone that my opinions are valid, especially about a point that no one can prove, one way or the other. I shouldn't have allowed myself to be drawn in to a discussion where I was so outnumbered, I felt that I came away bruised and battered, with a few blows coming from people I never expected to turn on me. That was my bad. From now on, I'll know better.Who "turned on you?" Me? If you feel that someone challenging you to reconsider ideas is "turning on you," you'll probably lock yourself into a place of very little potential for growth.
Thirdly, and most importantly, I understand now why Christians throughout the ages have been advised to steer clear of atheists.They were advised to steer clear of anyone who did not support the dogma of their own club. No club dedicated to control wants its members exposed to outside ideas. It is scary to them.
That old Baptist saying came back to me, except this time, I knew exactly what it meant...

VENGENCE IS MINE, SAYETH THE LORD.Yes. This verse has been used to justify terrible violence on the part of professing Christians against anyone they don't see eye to eye with. Interesting that you bring it up in the context of a discussion about exactly that sort of abuse of scriptural understanding which leads to things like the CO shootings. It is not atheism, but an abusive sort of Christianity that is to blame.

Atheists will be dealt with in God's own way. I not only have nothing to fear from those ignorant of God's love, I should actually feel compassion for them. I regret not having seen that before now.Alright, SMW!

how so many different people could jump into a conversation for the simple purpose of trashing those who believe in God.

Excuse me, but didn’t you begin this conversation for the simple purpose of trashing those who don’t believe in your god? What exactly did you expect?

Firstly, the people on this thread ARE members of the 'fringe' of society. The FACT is, atheists and doubters make up less than 20% of the world's population, even fewer of America's population. So-called Christians who bash other Christians are a VERY minute segment of religious people. When I was referring to the 'lunatic fringe' yesterday, I should have realized I was TALKING to the lunatic fringe.

While I think it’s lovely that so many folks find comfort/solace/peace/self-satisfaction/(presumed) moral superiority/whatever by believing in one of any number of various gods worshipped by the followers of hundreds of different religions across the world, my personal feeling is that all those people who believe they’re on to the “one” “TRUE” god/religion ("And all those others who don't follow my religion are EVIL!! and HATEFUL!! and WRONG!!") are the lunatics. But that’s just my opinion. I don’t hate them, I just think they’re not looking at the whole thing realistically. Apparently, logic is a bad thing in organized religion.

* shrug *

Secondly, it's not my responsibility to 'convince' anyone here that atheists are evil.

I thank your god for having helped you understand that.

I shouldn't have allowed myself to be drawn in to a discussion where I was so outnumbered

Once again, you started the discussion with an attack on those who don’t fit your definition of “Christian.” What exactly did you expect?

VENGENCE IS MINE, SAYETH THE LORD. Atheists will be dealt with in God's own way.

Ah. Threats. Sure to entice non-believers to join the Christian flock. :thumbs:

I not only have nothing to fear from those ignorant of God's love, I should actually feel compassion for them.

That’s funny, because I have nothing to fear from those loving Christians who insult me by saying I’m “ignorant of God’s love.” I actually feel sorry for them. :)

Excuse me, but didn’t you begin this conversation for the simple purpose of trashing those who don’t believe in your god? What exactly did you expect?



While I think it’s lovely that so many folks find comfort/solace/peace/self-satisfaction/(presumed) moral superiority/whatever by believing in one of any number of various gods worshipped by the followers of hundreds of different religions across the world, my personal feeling is that all those people who believe they’re on to the “one” “TRUE” god/religion ("And all those others who don't follow my religion are EVIL!! and HATEFUL!! and WRONG!!") are the lunatics. But that’s just my opinion. I don’t hate them, I just think they’re not looking at the whole thing realistically. Apparently, logic is a bad thing in organized religion.

* shrug *



I thank your god for having helped you understand that.



Once again, you started the discussion with an attack on those who don’t fit your definition of “Christian.” What exactly did you expect?



Ah. Threats. Sure to entice non-believers to join the Christian flock. :thumbs:



That’s funny, because I have nothing to fear from those loving Christians who insult me by saying I’m “ignorant of God’s love.” I actually feel sorry for them. :)



"Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is sometimes misinterpreted as a synonym of stupidity, and is as thus often taken as an insult." wikipedia

Lacking the knowledge of God's love.....does that make you feel that it's not an insult???

"Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is sometimes misinterpreted as a synonym of stupidity, and is as thus often taken as an insult." wikipediaIn all fairness, you must admit that it is often used as an insult, not simply taken as one.

(...though I don't think that's how SMW used it! Also, I'm not sure that Fran meant that she received it as a personal insult, rather one on her intellegence, which would play into the technical definition of the word, huh? Also, she seems to take it as a pitiable that someone would insult her that way yet believe in something that to her is as silly as saying "Well, they are just unaware of the beauty of Thor's love. Woden bless them."):cool:

Lacking the knowledge of God's love.....does that make you feel that it's not an insult???
Shiloh gets it.

You've assumed that there is, in fact, a god, and not just any god, but THE God, the one you follow, which is, of course, the "right god." And you've foisted your belief that there is a god/THE God onto me by making such a statement. So yes, it's insulting, because I don't believe there is A god or THE god. I tend to feel that the powers of nature is/are the only real god(s), and I "pray" and "tithe" and "follow" my god's path daily and diligently by being a good steward and caretaker to her flora and fauna. But you don’t hear me saying thing like “Christians are ignorant of The Earth Goddess’ awesome power and unprejudiced blessings,” do you?

You don’t, because that would be insulting and extremely assumptive on my part, and I don't expect anyone to believe in or follow my personal path.

Unlike most Christians.

So, in general, I’d much prefer that believers keep their "knowledge of God's love" to themselves, and I’ll keep my knowledge of The Earth Goddess’ love to myself, and we’ll all be fine. I suppose SMW thought she was being kind and helpful by pressing her god’s blessings on me, but who made her (and her god) my keeper? I’m quite astoundingly happy in my life and with my place in the cosmos, thankyouverymuch, and don't need her (or anyone else's) god to make my life fuller or happier.

Evidently, SMW's god is also pleased with me, because I am blessed beyond my wildest expectations or dreams. :)

Shiloh gets it.

You've assumed that there is, in fact, a god, and not just any god, but THE God, the one you follow, which is, of course, the "right god." And you've foisted your belief that there is a god/THE God onto me by making such a statement. So yes, it's insulting, because I don't believe there is A god or THE god. I tend to feel that the powers of nature is/are the only real god(s), and I "pray" and "tithe" and "follow" my god's path daily and diligently by being a good steward and caretaker to her flora and fauna. But you don’t hear me saying thing like “Christians are ignorant of The Earth Goddess’ awesome power and unprejudiced blessings,” do you?

You don’t, because that would be insulting and extremely assumptive on my part, and I don't expect anyone to believe in or follow my personal path.

Unlike most Christians.

So, in general, I’d much prefer that believers keep their "knowledge of God's love" to themselves, and I’ll keep my knowledge of The Earth Goddess’ love to myself, and we’ll all be fine. I suppose SMW thought she was being kind and helpful by pressing her god’s blessings on me, but who made her (and her god) my keeper? I’m quite astoundingly happy in my life and with my place in the cosmos, thankyouverymuch, and don't need her (or anyone else's) god to make my life fuller or happier.

Evidently, SMW's god is also pleased with me, because I am blessed beyond my wildest expectations or dreams. :)


I wasn't trying to push anything on you with that statement. And I dont go around pushing people or expecting them to believe what I do. I know everyone has a choice. Even if I dont understand some people's choices.

And I'm glad your life is so great.

I wasn't trying to push anything on you with that statement. And I dont go around pushing people or expecting them to believe what I do. I know everyone has a choice. Even if I dont understand some people's choices.

I'm sure you (and/or other Christians in general) don't think you are, but when said to a non-believer it can be taken no other way. Likewise, when someone says something like, "'VENGENCE IS MINE,' SAYETH THE LORD. Atheists will be dealt with in God's own way," it is a threat and an insult, as if your mean old god is gonna get me if I don't toe his/your line.

I just don't believe these things (and I sure as hell don't believe Jesus did either), and speaking to me as though I'm completely ignorant, stupid, clueless and/or "evil" for not believing them is about as insulting as you can get.

Again, I don't hate people who regularly let their religious doctrine roll off their tongues at me without thinking, but it sure is annoying and thoughtless. I've often wondered what would happen if I tossed it back at those folks using my god/religion's tenets instead, in hopes of getting them to see the insulting/assumptive nature of their mutterings, but what other people believe just isn't that important to me. Believe whatever you like and more power to you. Just afford me the same respect, please.

And I'm glad your life is so great.

Thank you. I hope yours brings you just as much pleasure and happiness, too. :)

I'm sure you (and/or other Christians in general) don't think you are, but when said to a non-believer it can be taken no other way. Likewise, when someone says something like, "'VENGENCE IS MINE,' SAYETH THE LORD. Atheists will be dealt with in God's own way," it is a threat and an insult, as if your mean old god is gonna get me if I don't toe his/your line.

I just don't believe these things (and I sure as hell don't believe Jesus did either), and speaking to me as though I'm completely ignorant, stupid, clueless and/or "evil" for not believing them is about as insulting as you can get.

Again, I don't hate people who regularly let their religious doctrine roll off their tongues at me without thinking, but it sure is annoying and thoughtless. I've often wondered what would happen if I tossed it back at those folks using my god/religion's tenets instead, in hopes of getting them to see the insulting/assumptive nature of their mutterings, but what other people believe just isn't that important to me. Believe whatever you like and more power to you. Just afford me the same respect, please.



Thank you. I hope yours brings you just as much pleasure and happiness, too. :)


Ok. Again all I did was explain the word ignorance and asked if you still considered it an insult. Apparently so...but I also explained how I wasn't being insulting.

:cat:

Also...

I wouldn't think you would find it threatening if I said that God (my God) will deny you if you deny Him. Or punish you for not walking His line. I mean if you dont believe then there will be no threat since He doesn't exist anyway.

Just a thought...again feel free to rip that apart.

VENGENCE IS MINE, SAYETH THE LORD.
Post of the week! Holy shit, that's great! Hey guys, get a load of the crazy woman shouting on the street!

Maybe the most important message I'll ever post.
The most important thing you need to do right now is to get back on your meds. Man. You can't make this stuff up!

Ok. Again all I did was explain the word ignorance and asked if you still considered it an insult. Apparently so...but I also explained how I wasn't being insulting.

Please pay attention everyone. This is the crux of the problem and the perfect example of the lack of understanding/communication between so many Christians and pretty much everyone else.

From the above example, we can clearly see that Christians really believe they are being kind and inoffensive and acting like "good Christians" by uttering their god's name and mentioning the tenets of their faith in general conversation. They simply do not understand that bringing their god into any discussion with a non-believer is annoying at the least, and passive-aggressive hostile at the worst.

They often say things like "I'll pray for you," but what they really mean is "I'm praying you'll recognize the empty wickedness of your heathen ways and offer your heart and soul to (my) GOD so you can be one of the special people like me!" They don’t want others to find happiness and fulfillment with their own gods (or without any gods at all); they are determined that everyone know and accept and revere THEIR god as savior, or they’ll be harshly reminded that “VENGEANCE IS MINE, sayeth the lord!” and that all the evil heathens will be roundly and properly dealt with by the big bad boogeygod somewhere down the line, just you wait and see!

It’s condescending. It’s assumptive. It’s unwelcome and it’s $#@! RUDE. And that’s the nice Christians like Musiq, here, who seems to be sincere in his belief that he’s not being insulting by bringing his god up to non-believers.

But then we have situations like this thread, where non-believers are blasted by the intentionally superior “goddies” like SMW, who tell us that we non-believers are “evil haters” that are somehow responsible for her fellow Christians turning against one another, and that we non-believers are going to burn in hell for our evil ways…. Is there any question why non-believers are so annoyed by the "goddies" getting in their faces?

Musiq, I understand that you're not trying to be offensive. Will you please try to understand that you are being offensive, nevertheless?

Thanks. :)

I would be thankful if someone told me they would pray to allah for me... even though i'm a christian.

It's flattering, why be pissed at someone who cares about you?

I think certain athiests are too overly sensitive about anything religious at all... That is a mighty big jump you took Marzipan...

It's flattering, why be pissed at someone who cares about you?

A. I'm not pissed. I'm annoyed. I'm not angry. I'm exhausted.

B. Please. You really think SMW cares about non-believers like me? Give me a break.

I think certain athiests

"Certain" atheists... :rolleyes: Say what you mean, dude - no need to hide from your own accusations.

... are too overly sensitive about anything religious at all...

I may be mistaken, but I think this is the first, maybe the second time I've expended any real energy discussing religion at AF. Nevertheless, I don't hang out in the religion forum, so I'd say you're quite wrong about that (although I'm sure there are some non-believers who do fit your characterization).

I will admit, however, to being just a little annoyed by being told, in no uncertain terms, that I'm "evil" because I don't believe in or follow the Christian god, and that I am somehow personally responsible for the horrible things that some Christians do to other Christians.

* shrug *

So sue me.

B. Please. You really think SMW cares about non-believers like me? Give me a break.
She only cares about you enough to save your eternal life!!! Repent, foolish mortal!

She only cares about you enough to save your eternal life!!! Repent, foolish mortal!

:D

Before I went to bed last night, I prayed that God would help me understand what's been going on this board for the last several days. I was upset and disturbed by what I was hearing, especially to hear church-going people join in the bashing of other Christians. "Please help me understand," was my plea.

I woke up at 2 a.m., with a very clear picture of the problem... and some very clear answers to my questions. The most amazing thing (to me) was that all the explanations had already been stated here... by ME! I just didn't recognize them as also being the problem I was having in understanding how so many different people could jump into a conversation for the simple purpose of trashing those who believe in God. Here's my 'message' in a nutshell. Feel free to deny it came from God if it makes you feel better, but it gave me a wonderful sense of calmness.

Firstly, the people on this thread ARE members of the 'fringe' of society. The FACT is, atheists and doubters make up less than 20% of the world's population, even fewer of America's population. So-called Christians who bash other Christians are a VERY minute segment of religious people. When I was referring to the 'lunatic fringe' yesterday, I should have realized I was TALKING to the lunatic fringe. And expecting reasonable responses in return! Silly me. Shiloh scolded DF for bringing up percentages... saying it 'muddles' philosophical discussions. On the contrary, recognizing that one is talking to a person who has beliefs shared by only a small percentage of the world greatly illuminates the situation. Sort of like talking about driving cars to a monkey. Just because you might be able to train an ape to drive, doesn't mean it's a good source of reason when it comes to discussing laws of the road.

Secondly, it's not my responsibility to 'convince' anyone here that atheists are evil. I've stated my opinion that the young murderer in Colorado might have been influenced by the hatred spread by atheists today and while I still believe that to be true, I was wrong to try to convince anyone that my opinions are valid, especially about a point that no one can prove, one way or the other. I shouldn't have allowed myself to be drawn in to a discussion where I was so outnumbered, I felt that I came away bruised and battered, with a few blows coming from people I never expected to turn on me. That was my bad. From now on, I'll know better.

Thirdly, and most importantly, I understand now why Christians throughout the ages have been advised to steer clear of atheists. That old Baptist saying came back to me, except this time, I knew exactly what it meant...

VENGENCE IS MINE, SAYETH THE LORD.

Atheists will be dealt with in God's own way. I not only have nothing to fear from those ignorant of God's love, I should actually feel compassion for them. I regret not having seen that before now.

Here's the message I received crystal clear before I fell back to sleep. Maybe the most important message I'll ever post.



I hope you'll take that verse to heart and allow it to open your eyes to the possibility of embracing God's love. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

:flowers:
SMW

You should move to Saudi Arabai. You'd fit right in. No different than what they are saying. Vengence is mine? God's Love?

Please pay attention everyone. This is the crux of the problem and the perfect example of the lack of understanding/communication between so many Christians and pretty much everyone else.

From the above example, we can clearly see that Christians really believe they are being kind and inoffensive and acting like "good Christians" by uttering their god's name and mentioning the tenets of their faith in general conversation. They simply do not understand that bringing their god into any discussion with a non-believer is annoying at the least, and passive-aggressive hostile at the worst.

They often say things like "I'll pray for you," but what they really mean is "I'm praying you'll recognize the empty wickedness of your heathen ways and offer your heart and soul to (my) GOD so you can be one of the special people like me!" They don’t want others to find happiness and fulfillment with their own gods (or without any gods at all); they are determined that everyone know and accept and revere THEIR god as savior, or they’ll be harshly reminded that “VENGEANCE IS MINE, sayeth the lord!” and that all the evil heathens will be roundly and properly dealt with by the big bad boogeygod somewhere down the line, just you wait and see!

It’s condescending. It’s assumptive. It’s unwelcome and it’s $#@! RUDE. And that’s the nice Christians like Musiq, here, who seems to be sincere in his belief that he’s not being insulting by bringing his god up to non-believers.

But then we have situations like this thread, where non-believers are blasted by the intentionally superior “goddies” like SMW, who tell us that we non-believers are “evil haters” that are somehow responsible for her fellow Christians turning against one another, and that we non-believers are going to burn in hell for our evil ways…. Is there any question why non-believers are so annoyed by the "goddies" getting in their faces?

Musiq, I understand that you're not trying to be offensive. Will you please try to understand that you are being offensive, nevertheless?

Thanks. :)


First of all I'm female.

Secondly I'm sorry you took it offensive but that's not how I meant it to be so I don't feel bad about saying it. The only thing I would even feel bad is that you mistakened it for me being rude.

I am not being offensive if I dont mean it to be. I mean I can't control how YOU or others take things I say.

That would be your problem not mine.

:@@:

I find it very ironic that this whole topic -- about a young man in Colorado who so hated Christians, he decided to kill as many as he could in two different locations -- quickly turned into a 'let's bash Christians' discussion and has remained with that theme for days. All based on two speculative sentences I wrote.
I find it incredibly amusing that you didn't think that accusing the atheists on this board of playing a part in a church shooting wouldn't draw people's ire. No matter what gets said, it seems your persecution complex will warp it into Christian bashing. That part is beyond amusing. It's sad.

I didn't write the rules, folks. Like Nappy said... I'm just concerned for your immortal soul.
Some people like to fish. Other's like to play golf. Certain people like needlework. You like to save people's immortal souls. I find it amusing (not sad, yet) that you think your hobby grants you some kind of injunction against banter and light ridicule. No, I don't expect you to let the nasty stuff I say directly to you slide, but all of the incidental jokes and ribbing Christianity gets on this site could be a little more gracefully tolerated, and you could, in the process, save yourself a few harsh ridiculings by your's truly.

I find it incredibly amusing that you didn't think that accusing the atheists on this board of playing a part in a church shooting wouldn't draw people's ire. No matter what gets said, it seems your persecution complex will warp it into Christian bashing. That part is beyond amusing. It's sad.


Some people like to fish. Other's like to play golf. Certain people like needlework. You like to save people's immortal souls. I find it amusing (not sad, yet) that you think your hobby grants you some kind of injunction against banter and light ridicule. No, I don't expect you to let the nasty stuff I say directly to you slide, but all of the incidental jokes and ribbing Christianity gets on this site could be a little more gracefully tolerated, and you could, in the process, save yourself a few harsh ridiculings by your's truly.

Silly me... I should know atheists are the only ones who are allowed to show their 'ire' at being accused of spreading hate. Christians... not so much.

From now on, I'll try to take your advice, Nappy.

Here.. how's this for a start?

:banana:

Silly me... I should know atheists are the only ones who are allowed to show their 'ire' at being accused of spreading hate. Christians... not so much.
How many atheists (excluding perhaps FT) have accused you of being an accessory to murder?

How many atheists (excluding perhaps FT) have accused you of being an accessory to murder?

Glad to see you here, Borg. Why don't you either move this whole topic to the religious section... or delete it altogether. It turned into nothing more than a place to insult people who believe in God and frankly, that's not what I had in mind when I started it.

For at least the hundredth time here, I accused NO ONE of being an accessory to anything. I accused atheists of spreading hate -- which in my opinion, contributed to the young murderer's cry of I HATE CHRISTIANS.

You're stopping in to challenge me with another twisted question is only proof of this topic's failure.

Please delete the whole thing.

SMW

Glad to see you here, Borg. Why don't you either move this whole topic to the religious section... or delete it altogether. It turned into nothing more than a place to insult people who believe in God and frankly, that's not what I had in mind when I started it.

No, what you had in mind when you began this discussion was "accusing atheists of spreading hate." How unfortunate for you that your plan backfired.

:rolleyes:

You're stopping in to challenge me with another twisted question is only proof of this topic's failure. Please delete the whole thing.

Translation: I started this thread to bash non-believers and it blew up in my face. Screw all of you. I'm taking my fucking ball and going home.

No, what you had in mind when you began this discussion was "accusing atheists of spreading hate." How unfortunate for you that your plan backfired.

:rolleyes:



Translation: I started this thread to bash non-believers and it blew up in my face. Screw all of you. I'm taking my fucking ball and going home.

Once again, YOU'RE WRONG, Frannie. I started this thread to discuss the tragedy in Colorado. Welcome to the club of people who'd rather bash me than a mass murderer.

BTW, don't think I didn't notice you lurking here off and on all day yesterday, just waiting to pounce on me if I dared post here again. You think you finally 'caught me' in something and you can't wait to crucify me.

Get a life, Frannie. You must have something better to do, eh? You're beginning to look like a bitter old woman who has no one in her life but chickens.

Oh wait...

For at least the hundredth time here, I accused NO ONE of being an accessory to anything. I accused atheists of spreading hate -- which in my opinion, contributed to the young murderer's cry of I HATE CHRISTIANS.
accessory
n.
Also called accessory before the fact. a person who, though not present during the commission of a felony, is guilty of having aided and abetted another, who committed the felony.

Sounds to me like you were accusing atheists of aiding (or contributing) to the murder, in a somewhat roundabout manner. Perhaps "accessory" is too strong a word. But you're still linking all atheists to the crime in some sense.

By the way, SMW, I don't see much religion bashing in here. I see SMW-bashing because you linked an entire belief to a murder with no evidence. I know it would be very convenient for you if we mods would close threads whenever you don't like them, but it doesn't work like that. You are, of course, always free to stop participating. And I think the thread would probably die off if you apologized, but I'm not going to coerce you into doing that if you don't want to.

The question of do Christians spread hate - depends how you define hate.

Hate is a strong aggressive word, and in the typical sense of that word - Christians do not spread hate.

But, hate can also be a passive thing - judgementalism is passive hatred & Christians are very judgemental - basically if you do not belong to their club then you are in the wrong. Every religion thinks like that & the only logical conclusion is they are all wrong - afterall - they cannot be all right.

So, overall - although I think all religions are the outcome of geographic & societal brainwashing - Christianity does not spread hate.

Of course there are always the minority who are extremists, but the minority can never be used to define the majority.

I don't consider it hateful, but it IS rude, IMO.
Most of the congregants at my church don't even BELIEVE in hell, nor does our pastor, who's a woman.

BURN HER!!!!!
Yep, we're a liberal bunch.


PS. I'm far from a biblical scholar and will confess that I go for the singing and fellowship and camaraderie. ...where does it precisely say in the Bible (New Testament) that if you do not accept Jesus, you will be damned to eternal hellfire?
did Jesus Christ ever say such a thing? What did Jesus introduce new to ethics? Hell. "If a man abide not in me. he is cast forth......and men gather then into the fire, and they are burned." (John 15:6) How nice of the prince of peace. "I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foe shall be they of his own household."(Matt. 10:35-36)

What did Jesus introduce new to ethics? Hell. "If a man abide not in me. he is cast forth......and men gather then into the fire, and they are burned." (John 15:6) How nice of the prince of peace. "I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foe shall be they of his own household."(Matt. 10:35-36)




From the New King James Bible:


"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather THEM and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
(John 15:6) (emphasis mine)


IMO, rather a distinct difference, AFT. Remember that Christ spoke in parables.

PS.
The full text, from John. It's important to reveal the entire text, IMO, not just bits and pieces.


¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.


Jhn 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.


Jhn 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.


Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.


Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.


Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.


Jhn 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.


Jhn 15:9 ¶ As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.


Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.


Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

accessory
n.
Also called accessory before the fact. a person who, though not present during the commission of a felony, is guilty of having aided and abetted another, who committed the felony.

Sounds to me like you were accusing atheists of aiding (or contributing) to the murder, in a somewhat roundabout manner. Perhaps "accessory" is too strong a word. But you're still linking all atheists to the crime in some sense.

By the way, SMW, I don't see much religion bashing in here. I see SMW-bashing because you linked an entire belief to a murder with no evidence. I know it would be very convenient for you if we mods would close threads whenever you don't like them, but it doesn't work like that. You are, of course, always free to stop participating. And I think the thread would probably die off if you apologized, but I'm not going to coerce you into doing that if you don't want to.

I requested the thread be deleted because it has been off-topic from the get-go. As the originator of the thread, I feel it should be my option to delete the entire thread, or at least the opening post, but I see that's not possible.

Rather than apologize for something I did NOT say, I have tried to explain what I meant numerous times, but obviously that's not good enough since everyone insists they KNOW what I meant, including you.

So what you're really saying is, it's OK for people to devote over 100 posts to insulting a particular person as long as you think that person deserves what they get, huh?

It's not going to matter if I'm here or not, this thread has become a haven for ignoring the topic and bashing the messenger.

Way to mod, Borg.

SMW

Rather than apologize for something I did NOT say
Yes, you did. You're just too stupid to see how you did. Quit blaming others for your mistakes.

I requested the thread be deleted because it has been off-topic from the get-go. As the originator of the thread, I feel it should be my option to delete the entire thread, or at least the opening post, but I see that's not possible.
Nope. A thread originator can't delete a thread, because that would delete other users' posts as well. You do not "own" a thread just because you created it.
Rather than apologize for something I did NOT say, I have tried to explain what I meant numerous times
You're either doing a terrible job of it, or you're trying to backpedal on something that blew up in your face. Your original statement was, "I don't believe they'll have to look far to find out the murders of innocent people were a result of the ever-increasing paranoia among young atheists in this world. Hate breeds hate." Now, how does this not imply that you're blaming atheists, or at least young atheists, for this murder?
So what you're really saying is, it's OK for people to devote over 100 posts to insulting a particular person as long as you think that person deserves what they get, huh?

It's not going to matter if I'm here or not, this thread has become a haven for ignoring the topic and bashing the messenger.

Way to mod, Borg.

SMW
I'm not the forum police. You're a big girl, I think you can take it.

Nope. A thread originator can't delete a thread, because that would delete other users' posts as well. You do not "own" a thread just because you created it.

You're either doing a terrible job of it, or you're trying to backpedal on something that blew up in your face. Your original statement was, "I don't believe they'll have to look far to find out the murders of innocent people were a result of the ever-increasing paranoia among young atheists in this world. Hate breeds hate." Now, how does this not imply that you're blaming atheists, or at least young atheists, for this murder?

I'm not the forum police. You're a big girl, I think you can take it.

You're right, Borg. I'm a big girl and I can hold my own. I just don't happen to appreciate being singled out because of my religious beliefs. Especially when you admit this thread has turned into SMW-bashing and you even seem to take great pride in that fact. I've never seen you or any of the other mods approve of that behavior in the past.

Maybe you should re-designate Allforums as an atheist discussion group so unsuspecting Christians don't expect to have the same rules apply to them that apply to atheists here. Neither you nor any of the other mods have ever allowed a thread to progress to this point without at least warning posters to either stay on-topic or stop posting for the sole purpose of insulting the originator. What makes this thread so unique that you're willing to overlook the obvious and exclaim, "I'm not the forum police!"

The topic here was the mass murder of Christians in Colorado. I prefaced the article with this statement, "I don't believe they'll have to look far to find out the murders of innocent people were a result of the ever-increasing paranoia among young atheists in this world. Hate breeds hate."

If you don't think young atheists are paranoid and influenced by hate messages spouted by other atheists, it's easy enough to say, "I disagree" and move on.

I'm a big girl... I'd get over people disagreeing with me.

But allow me to be nailed to the cross for that statement and I'd say you more than prove I'm right.

Hate breeds hate. Allowed to grow, it takes on a life of its own.

SMW

you're willing to overlook the obvious
http://www.orlyowl.com/orly.jpg

Please pay attention everyone. This is the crux of the problem and the perfect example of the lack of understanding/communication between so many Christians and pretty much everyone else.

From the above example, we can clearly see that Christians really believe they are being kind and inoffensive and acting like "good Christians" by uttering their god's name and mentioning the tenets of their faith in general conversation. They simply do not understand that bringing their god into any discussion with a non-believer is annoying at the least, and passive-aggressive hostile at the worst.

They often say things like "I'll pray for you," but what they really mean is "I'm praying you'll recognize the empty wickedness of your heathen ways and offer your heart and soul to (my) GOD so you can be one of the special people like me!" !



Thats what you hear and assume. We all know what assuming does, dont we?

In actuality, a true christian is saying,"I'm going to have a one on one with my God and appeal to him not to turn His back on you when your times of trouble come because I love you."

Isnt that statement intimidating? Doesnt it make you shudder? Shouldnt we all feel that way towards our fellow man/woman?

I just don't happen to appreciate being singled out because of my religious beliefs.

You weren't singled out for your religious beliefs, you were singled out because you wrote something that was foolish and inflammatory.


Especially when you admit this thread has turned into SMW-bashing and you even seem to take great pride in that fact. I've never seen you or any of the other mods approve of that behavior in the past.

Actually, what he said was that there was more SMW-bashing than Christian-bashing, not that the thread had turned into SMW-bashing.


The topic here was the mass murder of Christians in Colorado. I prefaced the article with this statement, "I don't believe they'll have to look far to find out the murders of innocent people were a result of the ever-increasing paranoia among young atheists in this world. Hate breeds hate."

If you don't think young atheists are paranoid and influenced by hate messages spouted by other atheists, it's easy enough to say, "I disagree" and move on.

I'm a big girl... I'd get over people disagreeing with me.

People did disagree with you and they told you so. They also told you how foolish it was to attempt to link this crime to "atheists" because there was no evidence to support your position. You then spewed forth a litany of self-righteous hogwash about how you were being picked on because of your religion, and you're still trying to don the cloak of martyrdom, so apparently you don't deal with disagreement from others as well as you think.


But allow me to be nailed to the cross for that statement and I'd say you more than prove I'm right.

Nice imagery SMW....nailed to the cross indeed. ROFL. Do you type this stuff with a straight face?


Hate breeds hate. Allowed to grow, it takes on a life of its own.

Stop feeding it. :)

Nice imagery SMW....nailed to the cross indeed. ROFL. Do you type this stuff with a straight face?
If I were Jesus I'd be like... OH HELL NO! when I read that. :lolhit: I'm pretty sure being nailed to a cross is way worse than being bashed on a forum that you could just as easily not read. :)

Nothing gets people worked up quite like stokin the flames of religion.

If I were Jesus I'd be like... OH HELL NO! when I read that. :lolhit: I'm pretty sure being nailed to a cross is way worse than being bashed on a forum that you could just as easily not read. :)
Post of the day!:worship: :banana:

(Though I'm sure SMW was being allegorical.)

I've never been nailed to a cross, though I was lashed to a bed post once.

:rolleyes:

Glad to see you here, Borg. Why don't you either move this whole topic to the religious section... or delete it altogether. It turned into nothing more than a place to insult people who believe in God and frankly, that's not what I had in mind when I started it.

For at least the hundredth time here, I accused NO ONE of being an accessory to anything. I accused atheists of spreading hate -- which in my opinion, contributed to the young murderer's cry of I HATE CHRISTIANS.

You're stopping in to challenge me with another twisted question is only proof of this topic's failure.

Please delete the whole thing.

SMW

I think it's more than a given to presume Atheists Hate the notion of
God's existence.
In point of fact,they virtually LIVE for that Proclamation.
There I juts proved a nutter supercilious board dilemna.
Atheists are Silly.
Their Beliefs aren't even beliefs.
Therefore intelligence demands one Go Back and Do more than
Assume ALL Atheists are Silly.
It need be Inscribed somewhere.
Fur posterity.
Get it.

There I juts proved a nutter supercilious board dilemna.
Your powers of logic are scintillating.

But allow me to be nailed to the cross for that statement and I'd say you more than prove I'm right.

SMW

Can we pray to you sometime in the future then?

http://allforums.net/showthread.php?t=33380

What the fuck? Why... How... Where do you get off... holy shit...

That is all.

What the fuck? Why... How... Where do you get off... holy shit...

That is all.

I'll give you this much, Nappy. You're about the ONLY one who hasn't jumped into this discussion to attack me. Believe it or not, I appreciate that.

And for the information of those who gasped when I used the phrase, "nailed to the cross," it's not an uncommon term used by Christians to imply that someone is being punished who doesn't deserve it. I once had a yankee boss who was a devout Christian, but talked a little rough. He introduced me to the phrase in his introductory speech as a way of telling me he would always have my back. His exact words... "I will never nail you to the cross." I apologize if that phrase offended anyone.

;)
SMW

I'll give you this much, Nappy. You're about the ONLY one who hasn't jumped into this discussion to attack me. Believe it or not, I appreciate that.
Now I'm really confused. :@@:

What the fuck? Why... How... Where do you get off... holy shit...

That is all.

I'll give you this much, Nappy. You're about the ONLY one who hasn't jumped into this discussion to attack me. Believe it or not, I appreciate that.

And for the information of those who gasped when I used the phrase, "nailed to the cross," it's not an uncommon term used by Christians to imply that someone is being punished who doesn't deserve it. I once had a yankee boss who was a devout Christian, but talked a little rough. He introduced me to the phrase in his introductory speech as a way of telling me he would always have my back. His exact words... "I will never nail you to the cross." I apologize if that phrase offended anyone.

;)
SMW

What the fuck? Why... How... Where do you get off... holy shit...

That is all.

*******************
You...you...you just hush up sweet little failed atlar boy.
Now,ford yer penance,
Knell down and write a few dozen times on the concrete with
a piece of storebought chalk,not any stolen from Kintergarden :

I promise to Do my best
to never conflate
Reason and my Homework.
So help my room & board.

Atheists are no more inherently hateful than Christians are inherently compassionate. We can blame religion or atheism but at the end of the discussion we will never know what caused this, we can infer from evidence left behind but without talking to the killer we can never know for sure.

I promise to Do my best
to never conflate
Reason and my Homework.
So help my room & board.
Clever.:slap:

;)
SMWHey, you never explained: how am I a hypocrite?

http://allforums.net/showthread.php?t=33380

"Reason: Requesting deletion of entire thread"

Borg explained why we can't delete the whole thread despite your request, SMW.

In case you missed it, I'll repeat it. We can't accede to your request because that would require that we delete many posts by other posters, and that wouldn't be fair to them. If you wish the thread to die, there's only two things I can suggest...stop posting in this thread and wait for it do die a natural death...or make some kind of sincere retraction of your comments.

BTW, I don't think anyone was offended by your use of the "nailed to the cross" phrase, just amused. :)

"Reason: Requesting deletion of entire thread"

Borg explained why we can't delete the whole thread despite your request, SMW.

In case you missed it, I'll repeat it. We can't accede to your request because that would require that we delete many posts by other posters, and that wouldn't be fair to them. If you wish the thread to die, there's only two things I can suggest...stop posting in this thread and wait for it do die a natural death...or make some kind of sincere retraction of your comments.

BTW, I don't think anyone was offended by your use of the "nailed to the cross" phrase, just amused. :)



*******************************

That's strange.
What about the option Borg saw fit to CLOSE one of Me threads.
Juts when it was gettin goin.
What goot a thread w/o knowed sauerkraut.?
Less'n one posts like a Ninny.!

I must post in defence of the R&P forum in light of the slurs made against it here.

It's no den of atheists waiting to spread hate. It's got a balance of perspectives and lots of frank fun frolics. There are plenty of regulars of different beliefs who get on famously most of the time. Yes provocative statements are made and difficult questions asked but it's all good natured.

We, the multifaith defenders of R&P, are forever ignoring our differences and uniting against the lastest hit and run troll or known trouble-maker whatever his or her beliefs.

Any suggested mod-endorsed "athest vs. everyone else" divide is an illusion.

Thank you for reading.

I must post in defence of the R&P forum in light of the slurs made against it here.

It's no den of atheists waiting to spread hate. It's got a balance of perspectives and lots of frank fun frolics. There are plenty of regulars of different beliefs who get on famously most of the time. Yes provocative statements are made and difficult questions asked but it's all good natured.

We, the multifaith defenders of R&P, are forever ignoring our differences and uniting against the lastest hit and run troll or known trouble-maker whatever his or her beliefs.

Any suggested mod-endorsed "athest vs. everyone else" divide is an illusion.

Thank you for reading.
we all have our own crosses to bear.

...we now return to your regularly scheduled program...

I must post in defence of the R&P forum in light of the slurs made against it here.

It's no den of atheists waiting to spread hate. It's got a balance of perspectives and lots of frank fun frolics. There are plenty of regulars of different beliefs who get on famously most of the time. Yes provocative statements are made and difficult questions asked but it's all good natured.

We, the multifaith defenders of R&P, are forever ignoring our differences and uniting against the lastest hit and run troll or known trouble-maker whatever his or her beliefs.

Any suggested mod-endorsed "athest vs. everyone else" divide is an illusion.

Thank you for reading.
I agree. Most of the atheists here - you, Borg, and Vile come to mind - get along great with the religious regulars in the R&P section. Inviolable is a Christian, I believe in God though I don't have a religion, etc. The Religion forum is pretty damn quiet compared to Politics. :p

The Religion forum is pretty damn quiet compared to Politics. :pYeah, well you just wait till the literalists get tasers in their hands! That'll get things rolling!:cool:

http://allforums.net/showthread.php?t=33380

Let's review, shall we?

Say something stupid and get your ass in a crack. Make it worse by insisting you've been misunderstood and painfully abused by a bunch of meanies. "Fix it" by rewriting your own post history.

:thumbs:

I've learned a lot from this forum...people like to argue. Even if it makes no sense. Even if its hateful. Even if it's turned around to sound like something else just so people can argue some more.

I find it rather exhausting. That's probably why I for the most part keep my mouth shut. Just doesn't seem worth it.

With that I'm going home to whats really worth it to me.

Sorry Allforums doesn't cut it for you. Maybe next time you can go to a puppies forum where all people do is post pics of the puppies they just bought, or pictures of other peoples' puppies, or pics of puppies they just found on the Internet. I'm sure you'd fit right in, then.

Sorry Allforums doesn't cut it for you. Maybe next time you can go to a puppies forum where all people do is post pics of the puppies they just bought, or pictures of other peoples' puppies, or pics of puppies they just found on the Internet. I'm sure you'd fit right in, then.
we have a whole section devoted to pets. you should look around more.

Sorry Allforums doesn't cut it for you. Maybe next time you can go to a puppies forum where all people do is post pics of the puppies they just bought, or pictures of other peoples' puppies, or pics of puppies they just found on the Internet. I'm sure you'd fit right in, then.


OH I can't Nappy. I dont have a puppy to share!

Sad is me.

:mad:

But yes nappy you for one would be a prime example as to why I steer clear. I mean someone can't post anything without you ripping it apart or making fun at it.

Are you really that much of a bully or do you just have nothing better to do?

*shrugs shoulders*

I mean someone can't post anything without you ripping it apart or making fun at it.
Perhaps if people's posts were better thought out, he would be unable to successfully rip it apart or making fun of it?

I don't think we should be required to make absolutely perfect posts. I don't generally put as much thought into my posts as I would with an essay on an exam. Forum posting is supposed to be fun, not "OMG I have to spend half an hour writing this post and making sure my argument is completely supported and all my grammar is wonderful."

I've learned a lot from this forum...people like to argue. Even if it makes no sense. Even if its hateful. Even if it's turned around to sound like something else just so people can argue some more.
Just so I can remember correctly, weren't you defending SMW the other day?

Oh come now. I don't step into every discussion. I'm particularly active in the Religion boards because of my strong feelings towards the subject, but I mostly stay out of most of the rest of the forum, except when something interests me on politics and news. I often post fun stuff in Chat Central, and when something interesting comes up, I usually don't take the kid gloves off, unless someone attacks me first. (happens a lot when we're talking about love and dating and relationships) Not to mention, many people here actually find it quite refreshing to discuss things with me, if not actually pleasant. But rooting out stupidity is something I'm quite good at, and I practice it here all the time, more as a hobby than anything else.

Besides, why talk about something here if you don't have strong feelings about it? As shiloh said recently, if there's no point, why bother? Don't you have real life friends and IM buddies you can chat with happily about nonsense?

I don't think we should be required to make absolutely perfect posts. I don't generally put as much thought into my posts as I would with an essay on an exam. Forum posting is supposed to be fun, not "OMG I have to spend half an hour writing this post and making sure my argument is completely supported and all my grammar is wonderful."
It gets a lot easier the more you do it. It rarely me takes longer than five minutes for me to craft an argument post. It's done wonders for my self-confidence, to know I can whip out a convincing argument in a very short amount of time.

It gets a lot easier the more you do it. It rarely me takes longer than five minutes for me to craft an argument post. It's done wonders for my self-confidence, to know I can whip out a convincing argument in a very short amount of time.
I have no doubts about my ability to make a good argument, if the mood strikes me and I'm passionate enough about the topic. It only takes me longer than a few minutes when I'm looking for a particular hard to find statistic or I get distracted by reading articles to find evidence to back me up. That post wasn't about me; it was about posters in general.

Oh come now. I don't step into every discussion. I'm particularly active in the Religion boards because of my strong feelings towards the subject, but I mostly stay out of most of the rest of the forum, except when something interests me on politics and news. I often post fun stuff in Chat Central, and when something interesting comes up, I usually don't take the kid gloves off, unless someone attacks me first. (happens a lot when we're talking about love and dating and relationships) Not to mention, many people here actually find it quite refreshing to discuss things with me, if not actually pleasant. But rooting out stupidity is something I'm quite good at, and I practice it here all the time, more as a hobby than anything else.


You're right Nappy you are VERY good at that. Keep up the good work.

Besides, why talk about something here if you don't have strong feelings about it? As shiloh said recently, if there's no point, why bother? Don't you have real life friends and IM buddies you can chat with happily about nonsense?


I don't IM chat anymore. I dont have much time for posting here let alone do that. Besides I prefer face to face contact to chat happily about nonsense.

Just so I can remember correctly, weren't you defending SMW the other day?


I don't remember defending her directly.

But I'm sure if I did someone will take the time and point it out for me.

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Originally Posted by smartmouthwoman
http://allforums.net/showthread.php?t=33380

Let's review, shall we?

Say something stupid and get your ass in a crack. Make it worse by insisting you've been misunderstood and painfully abused by a bunch of meanies. "Fix it" by rewriting your own post history. :thumbs:

ROTFL.

Excellent point.

Except that it would be much closer to the truth to have noted---

Let's review, shall we?

She tries to incite hatred against one group and winds up doing nothing except exposing the hatred that fills her own heart, and winds up getting her ass in a crack. She then makes it worse by insisting she's been "misunderstood" and painfully abused by a bunch of anti-god meanies. She attempts to "fix it", first by begging for the entire hate-filled screed to be deleted (request not granted!...waaaaah!!!) and then by rewriting her own post history. :thumbs: